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O'Reilly's anti-insurgency strategy: "Fallujah should not exist. It should have been leveled a long time ago"

December 07, 2005 5:06 pm ET

Bill O'Reilly said that U.S. troops should have "destroyed" the Iraqi city of Fallujah "a long time ago" as a "message" to insurgents.

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On his nationally syndicated radio show The Radio Factor, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly, responding to news reports that 10 U.S. Marines were killed in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, opined that "Fallujah should not exist. It should have been leveled a long time ago. Just leveled. That town should have been made an example of years ago." Stating that this recommended course of action should have been taken when local insurgents publicly mutilated four U.S. contractors in March 2004, he continued: "That town should have been destroyed as a message, and it hadn't been. And it was a huge mistake, ladies and gentlemen. You can't win this war on terror with half-measures. That town -- everybody should have been evacuated and flattened. And now we got 10 more Marines killed in Fallujah."

From the December 2 broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: All right, in no-spin news, bad news right off the top. Ten U.S. Marines conducting a foot patrol outside of the Iraqi city of Fallujah were killed in an explosion of an insurgent bomb. OK, now, Fallujah should not exist. It should have been leveled a long time ago. Just leveled. That town should have been made an example of years ago. That's the town were they hung the four U.S. contractors from the bridge. Remember that? They had burned their bodies and then hung them. That town should have been destroyed as a message, and it hadn't been. And it was a huge mistake, ladies and gentlemen. You can't win this war on terror with half-measures. That town -- everybody should have been evacuated and flattened. And now we got 10 more Marines killed in Fallujah. Awful.

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    • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2005 5:31 pm ET)
         
      1. Evacuate populated area (refuge location is responsibility of the populace itself). 2. Destroy all buildings, homes and utilities. 3. Call Halliburton. 4. Keep watered with lots and lots of U.S. tax money.
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    • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2005 5:33 pm ET)
         
      War on terror? He's not talking about Iraq is he? Oh yeah, now I remember, Iraq become part of the war on terror after the start of our occupation.
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    • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2005 5:39 pm ET)
         
      Mr. 'Pen-and-Paper Combat' sure can talk a great game when it comes to war. Experienced Generals? We don't need no stinking experienced Generals! They make huge mistakes, ladies and gentlemen.
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    • Author by daggotht (December 07, 2005 5:41 pm ET)
         
      Why not gas Iraqis? That would send a message, no? I mean, where do we stop? Let's nuke Basra!
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    • Author by dave_chicago (December 07, 2005 5:48 pm ET)
         
      Is is Fallujah that O'Reilly wishes flattened, or San Francisco? Can't keep up with which city O'Reilly says should be wiped-out, or who ought to fear that their lives will become horrors, or which group or country will suffer by being boycotted.
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      • Author by Lynn (December 07, 2005 5:58 pm ET)
           
        He Likes To flatten things. Almost every dispute the US has had in the past few years with a country or govenment BO thought could be resolved by "bombing said country/government into the stone ages; leveling the country, destroying it's infrastructure etc. , etc, etc.
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      • Author by tex (December 07, 2005 9:36 pm ET)
           
        Those who have read (or perhaps seen) "Alice through the looking glass" remembers the character of the Queen of Hearts. With absolute arrogance and infallibility, the Queen would order "OFF WITH THEIR HEAD" whenever the least upset. And she stayed upset constantly. O'Reilly is our own real-life "American" Queen of Hearts." Who will be the target of his fanatical and homocidal wrath tomorrow? Tune in.
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    • Author by jim359 (December 07, 2005 6:09 pm ET)
         
      So Bill, you advocate doing to Faalujah wht the Nazis did to a Czech town in WW II when the resistance killed Himmler's deputy Rhienhard Heydrich? In that incident, the Nazis killed all the men and teenage boys and shipped the women and children to the Extermination Camps in Poland. No one survived. Is that what your pushing here Bill?
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    • Author by jim359 (December 07, 2005 6:18 pm ET)
         
      I need to add also, that the Nazis completley leveled the after they killed/deported the resisdents. It was never rebuilt. The Czechs left it as it is as a memorial to those who lost there lives in this barbaric act carried out by a brutal regime which savagly suppressed any dissent or resistence to them.
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    • Author by matt41 (December 07, 2005 7:50 pm ET)
         
      "They (the Romans) make a desert, and they call it peace" Publius Cornelius Tacitus Good to see that we've evolved so much in the last 2000 years Of course, if Bill actually practiced the Christianity rather than fighting his silly 'War on Christmas' he might not be so quick to wipe out whole populations. I'm waiting for him to propose the 'Final Solution' for the Mideast any day now.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (December 07, 2005 10:05 pm ET)
         
      Regarding public discourse on how U.S. forces should be (ultimately must be) redeployed from the otherwise interminable Operation Iraqi Freedom, certainly FOX and Bill O'Reilly contribute nothing to it; but they cause a lot of thought on the matter. This talk about insurgents, and an insurgency, at least gives us those new words; I recall guerillas generally, the viet cong particularly, and some kind of contra 'freedom fighter' in Central America, so-called by the same bunch today, so in love with using the word 'freedom' to describe what it is they seek, whether for a Middle Eastern people, or a Central American. But the words insurgent and insurgency, my Webster's has... insurgency, a revolt against the government, not reaching the proportions of an organized revolution, and not seen as (mere) belligerency. insurgent, U.S. one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of his political party. ...which makes me wonder: if America were somehow militarily occupied by a foreign force, what might constitute an insurgency here; I mean who would be called insurgents here, and for what reason? That is, if that shoe were on this other foot, would Americans who resisted an occupying force be called insurgents? Guerillas maybe? Certainly we wouldn't be called the viet cong. My guess would be we'd be called 'freedom fighters' if we, Americans, resisted an occupying military force. But not contras though; no way, Jose. ...and whatever we'd call ourselves, we'd probably care less what others called us; others such as TV and radio commentators back home on the turf of the occupying nation. We might not care for anything such types might call us, or say about us. ...except for calling for the destruction of an entire city; that would get our attention; that wouldn't seem like a humane thing to call for. It wouldn't even seem like a sane thing to advocate, never mind do.
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    • Author by alt_schule (December 07, 2005 10:46 pm ET)
         
      But enough about "the War on Christmas." Lets lighten the mood with my thoughts on Fallujah. I pray to Jesus! Please protect me from your followers.
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    • Author by skiploader1111 (December 07, 2005 11:12 pm ET)
         
      I suppose that O'Reilly also believes that towns in Mississippi and Alabama should have been leveled in order to destroy the KKK terrorist threat that existed there in the '60s.
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    • Author by irked (December 07, 2005 11:35 pm ET)
         
      All right, in no-spin news, bad news right off the top The "No spin" claim immediately followed by an opinion, a fact, and a long opinion interspersed with some factoids.
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    • Author by west1 (December 08, 2005 12:23 am ET)
         

      "That town -- everybody should have been evacuated and flattened."

      Besides that what O'Reilly suggests is against Article 48 of the Geneva Conventions (link) which states that "the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives", what does O'Reilly think should happen to the 300,000 plus civilian population of Fallujah and how does he plan to calm them so they don't take revenge for flattening the city?

      Is what O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Buchanan and other pundits doing, by suggesting the flattening of Fallujah, inviting an Al Queda attack on San Francisco, assassinations of foreign leaders (Syria & Venezuela), wish that the UN was hit by a Hurricane, all an attempt to desensitize the American public so when they do hear of crimes, torture, or atrocities committed by the US, they are not in shock?

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      • Author by west1 (December 08, 2005 12:28 am ET)
           
        It works to use the html for paragraph beginnings and endings to separate paragaphs, (p and backslash p in sharp brackets) "

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    • Author by harpoon (December 08, 2005 6:06 am ET)
         
      I would challenge anyone to point to a map and show exactly where Fallujah is or name more than 5 cities in Iraq before they make blanket assertions about it. Iraq is filled with normal, regular people yearning to be free. Insurgents had taken over their town. If gangs take over a section of a city in the US, would we level it? Would we desert it? The fact of the matter is that Fallujah has over 55 schools re-opened and rebuilt thanks to Marines, Sailors, soldier and the Army Corps of Engineers along with the Fallujah Reconstruction Committe - led by Iraqis. Over half of Fallujah participated in free elections. There are 1,200 police now stationed in Fallujah. A total of $226,965,754 in Iraqi and US funding has been allocated for reconstruction efforts for FY05. More than $59 million has been spent already. In Nov 2004, while insurgents controlled the town 5% of the city had intermittent power. Today, 65% of of the city has power 8-12 hours a day. More than 80% of the city has water service as well. There is hope. The fact remains that US servicemembers and Iraqis are improving their conditions and the foundation for a proseperous and free city and country everyday, while people in the US enjoy their freedom to criticize and point fingers at the expense of the people doing all the work. Insurgents continue to try and gain a foothold with hope that Americans will tire and give up. They inflict casualties on these people and those that help them, while offering nothing but destruction and hate. Americans who openly express that we are losing or that this is not worth it are helping insurgents every time. Fallujans are fighting back and will have their freedom to live peacefully and raise their children in a free and democartic society. Incidentally, on Dec 15th Iraqis will again go to the polls and exercise their right to vote for a 3rd time. This will go largely unreported and ignored by the main stream media. For accurate information go to the IECI Website or www.iimeffwd.usmc.mil/forward
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      • Author by vegabaja73 (December 08, 2005 11:30 am ET)
           
        First of all throwing positive stats around is well and dandy but restoring power to Iraqis is not why we went there to begin with. Second, most of the insurgents are Iraqi. Third, the interim government has asked for immediate withdrawal from the U.S. military as soon as they have an army that can protect their ungrateful Assses.Fourth, they(interim Gov.) are sending a positive response to the insurgents when they recognize and support "resistance to occupation" in their constitution. I do not want to hear about coats of paint on schools and new buildings, thats a distraction from very real american deaths and a mismanaged war...come home and fix schools I know some that need it. Americans were told that Iraq would foot the bill for the war by Wolfowitz and we are still waiting....The insurgency in part is due to our presence and regardless of what pretty stats you throw around ..no we can not win militarily there, go ask the russians about their experiment in Afghanistan if you think I'am full of it. Finally, just because a country has democratic elections does not really mean much, they have elections in Cuba and guess who wins all the time. There are elections in many parts of the world but it does not translate into a democracy. So stop touting an election as a victory, tout freedom and equality as a victory...something that is yet to be seen in Iraq.
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      • Author by petenoc (December 08, 2005 7:13 pm ET)
           
        I know where Fallujah is. I knew where it was probablly before 99% of America knew where it was. I was there when President Bush spoke from the USS Lincoln. One thing that O'Reilly and many others fail to understand about Fallujah is why the people of Fallujah are as angry as they are. Nobody heard of Fallujah prior to the war because the city was not a threat. It was a fairly well off Sunni merchant town. The town first made national headlines when members of 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 82d Airborne Division fired into a crowd in April of 2003. Having monitored the radio traffic from the regiment that day I can say that the crowed was violent only in that they were throwing rocks. Unfortunately (and I'm going to fudge up the actual numbers) I beleive 17 people were killed and close to 70 others injured in the incident. The incident sparked a Presidential Inquiry of which the results I'm not certain. But the anger that the people of Fallujah have towards Americans is not that of your typical Iraqi city, they have legitimate grievances against the US that precede the killing of contractors by a year. My point is that you can not solve the Fallujah problem with aggression like O'Reilly suggest because it is exactly that, that got us into the mess with Fallujah that we are in. I find it interesting that the Marine General (Chaos 6) who was in charge of the siege on Fallujah never wanted to go into the city to start with, he got those orders from Washington....and I don't think he meant George Washington.
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      • Author by solon (December 08, 2005 8:49 pm ET)
           
        As well as Basra, Baghdad, Mosul, and Tikrit. I can even name cities in Iraq thousands of years ago like Ur, Nippur, Lagash, Kish and Erecht. Do I pass your test? I would comment on your article but Vegabaja made the obvious point. When you rightwingnuts know half as much about what is going on as the left get back to me
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    • Author by deancorso (December 08, 2005 6:33 am ET)
         
      What would we do with all the people after destroying the city? The Superdome? Call Brownie? Ok O'Reilly get back to defending the "Prince of Peace" birthday.
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    • Author by viking711 (December 08, 2005 7:20 am ET)
         
      O'Reilly promotes a similar response to terrorists/guerilla warfare as the Nazis did during WW2. If a Nazi officer was killed in an attack in Poland, Romania etc, they used to wipe out all the villages in the area as a response. It would sure send out a great message to the people of Iraq...
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    • Author by w (December 09, 2005 10:19 am ET)
         
      didn't o'reilly pay a lot of money to a former female employee to settle a lawsuit about jerking himself off while he talked to her on the phone? a real good spokesman for conservatives values
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