Coulter on Iranian "jihad monkey" and the inapplicability of "conventions of ... personal hygiene and grooming" to Muslims
In her syndicated column, Ann Coulter referred to the Iranian president as a "jihad monkey" and wrote that "conventions of civilized behavior, personal hygiene and grooming" are "inapplicable when Muslims are involved."
In her February 15 nationally syndicated column, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter asked: "[I]s NATO [North Atlantic Treaty Organization] -- like the conventions of civilized behavior, personal hygiene and grooming -- inapplicable when Muslims are involved?" Coulter made the remark in a column about the recent violence that has erupted over cartoons published in European newspapers. In the column, Coulter also directed comments to the president of Iran, which recently reopened several nuclear facilities. Addressing the Iranian president, she wrote:
If you don't want to get shot by the police, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then don't point a toy gun at them. Or, as I believe our motto should be after 9/11: Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about "camel jockey"? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy. Grow up, would you?
From Ann Coulter's February 15 column, "Muslim bites dog":
The "offense to Islam" ruse is merely an excuse for Muslims to revert to their default mode: rioting and setting things on fire. These people have a serious anger management problem.
So it's not exactly a scoop that Muslims are engaging in violence. A front-page story would be "Offended Muslims Remain Calm."
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If you don't want to get shot by the police, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then don't point a toy gun at them. Or, as I believe our motto should be after 9/11: Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about "camel jockey"? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy. Grow up, would you?
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We are signatories to a treaty that requires us to do more than "hold Syria responsible" for this attack. Syria has staged a state-sponsored attack on our NATO partner on Danish soil, the Danish embassy. According to the terms of the NATO treaty, the United States and most of Europe have an obligation to go to war with Syria.
Or is NATO -- like the conventions of civilized behavior, personal hygiene and grooming -- inapplicable when Muslims are involved?
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She argues: "Syria has staged a state-sponsored attack on our NATO partner on Danish soil, the Danish embassy. According to the terms of the NATO treaty, the United States and most of Europe have an obligation to go to war with Syria."
What does she mean by state-sponsored attack? Were Syrian soldiers there? Did the Syrian gov't dictate the attack?
This woman wants war.
So, why doesn't she wage war? Isn't she young enough to still enlist? If not, she could be a mercenary.
Enough tough talk, Ann. You want a fight? Then, fight.
Otherwise, you're all mouth.
If Ann has a Dorian Gray type picture, her mouth would be a mass of green goo, fuzzy mold, and a fat, gray tongue.
And to all Muslims out there, I am ashamed that I share this woman's nationality. She isn't "an ugly American." She is The Ugliest American.
Sorry to use that ridiculous word, but I agree with you cent percent.
I've been arguing with gutless hawks for a couple of years: if you support the "war," fight it. Otherwise you don't have the right to your opinion. It's just more wind. Like Coulter's incessant flatulence.
Coulter isn't a conservative pundit - she is a racist war monger. The really scary part of her article was "Perhaps we could put aside our national, ongoing, post-9/11 Muslim butt-kissing contest and get on with the business at hand: Bombing Syria back to the stone age ... ."
But for being the wrong sex, Coulter would have been at home planning the policy for the Blitzkrieg, and after it was over, would have been at home working for Stalin. It is pathetic that she has a following in this country.
It is amazing the amount of bloodthirst that spews forth from right wingers who are of the age to fight. As my wife says "support the troops...join the army!"
Help me out here. Has there ever in history been a case where mean spirit and namecalling alone have won the political day? If this is in fact a winning strategy, then Ann Coulter is at the forefront of a movement which will sieze America and shape it to her will.
However, I don't remember namecalling alone being victorious. So I guess we shouldn't worry much what Ann Coulter has to say. I've always believed that it is punishment enough for these opportunistic demagogues that, at the end of the day, they have to be themselves, and confront mirrors with their own image. A more horrible fate cannot be imagined.
and should be institutionalized. I'll bet she'll bitch about the new pictures of teh prisoner abuse scandal, claiming they will incite further trouble while expelling her dumb-assed giggle about her incendiary scribblings. Keith Olbermann should retire her (along with O'Lielly, Limbaugh, etc.) to a permanent Worst Person in the World Wing. Holly, I share your shame at sharing Colter's nationality, but I also cringe that she is permitted to share the label "human being" even more.
As much as I hate to admit it, whenever I see Ann Coulter on television I watch in fascination waiting to see what repulsive bile comes out of her mouth. As has been said many times before, Ann is a useful Republican pawn: she says the racist filth that so many people want to hear, while the powers that be can ignore her and deny that she is actually on their payroll. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that Rove & co, have been paying Ann for years.
She is such a revolting human being, and there are those who thinks she's the greatest thing since slice bread; and JETER I would say this about anyone who would say something as vile as this, so it's not the messenger. (smile)
Occasionally (though growing less&less so) I have laughed or snickered at some of Ann's "humor". Not proud of that...but she does have her *moments*.
What she offered up in her column today is best described as you did : VILE.
And in this instance it wouldn't matter who said it--it's definitely the MESSAGE--not the messenger. Just when you think Coulter can't sink any lower...she does.
STOP SHOWING ANN COULTER. WE KNOW WHAT SHE IS. THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO IS TO JUST IGNORE HER. THERE SHOULD BE A CAMPAIGN TO JUST IGNORE HER AND SHE WILL GO AWAY.
somebody give me a 6 letter word that means: Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity
Satire?
Oh, if it's satire, then that explains why I don't "get" Ann. Even when I was a fourth grader, I found satire to be the tool of mini-minds.
I've since added adverbs and botox, but satire sits at the top of my tools of mini-minds list.
Oscar Wilde, a notable satirist, wrote Dorian Gray.
Interesting what a mini-mind he and others were.
I doubt any notables came from your fourth grade class, though.
I figured, to rebut, that you'd cite Swift. Wasn't Wilde more of a wag than a satirist? But the problem with Coulter's alleged satire is that it's crude, divisive, and dangerous. She might be more effective with a less demanding form.
I suggest that you reread "A Modest Proposal" and you'll see that satire can be a deft weapon, but what one must do more than sputter invective. Ann alleges that she owns great intellect, but I just don't see it. Read it. And there are many brilliant minds on the Right.
And, as a Dem, I do not like the name-calling of Ms. Coulter. So what if she had some male traits? Lots of women do. Lots of men are also androgynous. Masculinity or feminity are often teased out for effect. It feels homophobic to me when people post about Ann's alleged Adam's apple. Insufficient food will reveal all sorts of ligature in a woman's neck. Just check out the bony, busy necks of the rich women that haven't eaten a square meal since 1952.
As far as achievement in my fourth grade class, I'm working on it. Thanks for asking!
I didn't mean you. I was attempting to belittle your satirical classmates. I'm sure you are quite accomplished and I enjoy reading your posts.
Thanks for clarifying, tbrett. Sans intonation, this cyber-dialogue is tricky, eh?
Satire is usually exaggeration that reveals the folly of a certain belief or action. "A Modest Proposal" is satirical because it exagerates the _opposite_ view from Swift's own. Calling Coulter's statements satire would be like calling anyone who compares Bush to a Nazi a satirist. And that's idiocy.
It might be helpful to understand that satire is a nuanced rhetorical device that many attempt, but very few master. Ann actually believes what she says, and then hides, calling her comments jokes. She's a dishonest coward.
That was well said. Thanks. Somedays, I feel like I've a head full of fluff. You're right: it isn't satire because she believes it. Swift didn't want folks eating their kids. Coulter wants division. She wants war.
God preserve us!
Posts about the offensive language Ann used uses: right-wing bigot, another racist "christian", loon, connies, ugly american, ugliest american, rotten skank, dumb assed, worst person in the world, mAnn, reich-wing hate mongers, dildo oreily, vannity, repulsive, racist and revolting, just to name a few.
and tex says name calling isn't effective?
Anne C is a lovely woman who is only speaking her mind in a free-wheeling and spirited manner. Uh... how else can one possibly respond to her bigoted and hostile remarks? I'm not sure just ignoring this half-wit is the way to go... OOPS! I called her a name.
Saying that I find Ann's behavior revolting is not naming calling it's descriptive of what she does. Ann uses ugly bigoted verbiage with the intent to insult and shock, and I was insulted and disgusted by it. You don't find this kind of language disgusting?
Webster Dictionary:
REVOLT - to experience disgust or shock b : to turn away with disgust transitive senses : to cause to turn away or shrink with disgust or abhorrence
Yes, Lynn, it's bigotry, which is why I hate to see my allies rebut with bigotry. Leave the mAnn spin be. We've all read it. It's way past fresh and was never funny. It is, however, Annish. It's what she does.
I might have misunderstood your post. You think my saying I find Ann's verbiage revolting is bigoted on my part? I find her kind of behavior discusting. She reminds me of the Bull Occonor types from the civil rights era. You know they let the n-word fly freely. The leaders of the segregationists never used that kind of language at least in public.
Lynn, I'm a huge fan of your thinking and your posts. I shouldn't have attached my bigotry comment to your post. Sorry for the confusion.
Bull Connor seems an apt comparison to Ann. Neither seems aware of how wrong, how destructive, and how anachronistic their thinking is.
Coulter is a sad, hostile person who learned she can earn a decent buck by being outwardly pernicious. Righties -- as we know -- like to have it both ways... THEY may breathe acid and poison, but don't call them on it... God forbid, use the same language! Oh no. Hipocrisy rules in the GOP.
First of all, most of you take Ann way too literally. Just about everything she says is done with tongue-in-cheek and raw sarcasm jsut to make a point. In the Feb. 15th article, she was basically taking a sarcastic, over-the-top stance on the absolute ridiculousness of all of this 'cartoon' BS. We seem to live in a world where everybody's feelings are made out of eggshells, and everyone is to blame except the actual persons tht should be. Al Franken uses the same tactics aimed at the right that Ann does towards the left, but I don't hear you guys slamming him. Everyone knows that the president f Iran is an idiot, adn hardly sane - just because a controversial right-winger states it, doesn't change that fact.
Oh, so her comments about killing all muslims and bringing up racist remarks about how unclean they are were jokes. I misunderstood. By the way, I hate you and your mother and hope you both die of rectal cancer.... just kidding! Another good one. Regardless of whether or not she actually believes it, hatred of this type has no place in political discourse. Condemn the rioters, question the muslim religion, all of these actions could be done rationally and civilly without becoming an inflamer and hate-monger like Coulter. I cannot believe that anyone who understands the complexities of the world could defend these remarks. NEWSFLASH: America doesn't exactly have clean hands in how screwed up everything is right now.
Coulter sells herself as a commentator. Not a comedian. She advocates killing, converting, hitting people with baseball bats, all because they disagree with her. Franken is a Comedian with a political talk show. I don't seem to remember him saying anyone should be killed or that we should invade another country. I don't approve of and I don't disagree with your assessment of Iran's president but before calling the president of Iran an idiot and hardly sane, look at who's sitting in the white house.
We need to stop all of the hate speech coming from people who should know better. I know Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh etc. have audiences that want this stuff fed to them, but it will come back to haunt us. We can make all of the threats we want to against Iran, Syria or any other country that doesn't behave the way we want them to behave. But someday, we'll be backing up these threats with the lives of our children and grandchildren. The all volunteer military will need a lot more volunteers just to keep pace with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now we have threats going back and forth between the US and Syria, the US and Iran, the US and The Palestinians. Can't anyone else see where this is heading. My biggest fear is that the last person to die in these wars has not been born yet.
So true, worrierking. My car's bumper has a sticker that says, "We're making new enemies faster than we can kill them."
Ann's calling for bloodshed by denigrating billions of people that she doesn't even know. And blood will be shed. If more rich blonds were sent off to war, then Ann Coulter, one rich blond, might manage her mouth.
I wish I had room for more, I'd add yours to my bumper.
I wish to God that the people or the children of the people waging this war either politically or through their media platforms were the ones who had to fight it. I'm sure more thought would have been given to the Post War occupation. We're making more enemies as you said, and we're underestimating those that we already have.
Ann Coulter is clearly, and at the very least, disturbed. Isnt there some kind of moral argument against attacking the mentally deranged? We should be more compassionate towards those who so obviously havent got even the thinnest thread of a connection to reality. That being said, we should also be sure that those who prove themselves violently deranged be eliminated from public discourse, not to mention public office.
That goes for the Pat Robertson's of the world too. If you condone violence and bigotry, that should be the end of your public life, why anyone listens to people like this I will never fully comprehend. Of course the problem with that is there are so many violently bigoted americans, which in itself is (I think) a sure sign of mental illness. The older I get, the more obvious it becomes that the inmates are running the asylum. Maybe we can fix the problem with one of Ann's own pet projects, we could build a 16 foot padded wall up along the border. At leat that way the rest of the world would be free of american fundamentalism. To the Christians who beleive we need to rid the world of Muslim fundamentalism, I can only say, remove the beam from thy face before complaining about the mote in god's eye. Or more specifically: clean up your own backyard first.
Arthur Miller wrote, "Every man has his Jew."
So, bigotry infests all of us, but Ann's infestation seems far beyond normal neurosis.
Does she really hate as much as she asserts, is hating her shtick, or is she mad as a hatter?
THIS is 'disturbed: "PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A Pakistani cleric announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew the Prophet Muhammad caricatures, as thousands rallied across the country Friday and authorities arrested scores of protesters. ..........Mohammed Yousaf Qureshi, prayer leader at the historic Mohabat Khan mosque in the conservative northwestern city of Peshawar, announced the mosque and the Jamia Ashrafia religious school he leads would give a $25,000 reward and a car for killing the cartoonist who drew the prophet caricatures — considered blasphemous by Muslims."
After reading this, I would say that Ann is a downright PACIFIST in comparison.
This mullah Qureshi is the mirror image of this Christian Zionist Coulter, just as this marionette President Ahmadinejad is the nearly exact equivalent of our own puppet President Bush.
They need each other so badly to validate the other's existence.
I hope you patriots enjoy your clash of civilizations.
O Judah Magnes, Ali Bhutto, Gamel Abdel Nasser, Paul Wellstone, where are you when we need you?
Hey Ann, why don't you follow your own advice?
In response to being called "jihad monkeys," Muslims have announced they will now refer to Ann Coulter as "Crusades butt."
Have you looked at her lately? She's so anorexic that she no longer has a butt. She really is a sick, sick person. I really think she does more harm to conservatism than good. The fringe right that thinks like her may love her, but she's not winning over any converts.
What a bunch of pansies. She shoots from the hip and straight too I might add. While you losers are worried about hurting someones feeling or running around calling everyone and their brother a racist (man, and it's getting old too, come up with something new), the world's about to capitulate to a bunch of woman hating religious fanatics.
I suppose in your eyes it's better to surrender freedom of the press than dare "offend" someone. Hmmmmm, perhaps a nuke or two for Iran will make them forget those naughty cartoons. Then they could just vaporize Israel and threaten US and Iraqi forces. All they want is the world......why don't we just give it to them? We'll all be happy under sharia law and I bet I could make a bundle making veils for all you young ladies out there.
Thank God (oops, didn't offend anyone did I???) there's still a few people left who aren't blinded by suicidal political correctness (SPC).
...meet TOMMY's evil twin... DARWIN.
Seems nothing has changed at MMFM. Anyone with an opposing view is labeled evil, distrurbed, and more.
That "evil twin" comment was made in jest... mostly because this guy DARWIN's comments are over the top and, basically, supporting the use of extreme violence (nukes?) against so-called fanatics. And, yes, TOMMY is a partisan who has no problem using an extremely arrogant tone against the folks on this site...
Personally, I don't actually subscribe to notions of "good and evil"... but, if you read DARWIN's comments... they are reactionary and, in my view, dangerous.
if you put them on your knuckles, they won't get so sore as you walk.
What's getting old is bigotry. And Ann's form of bigotry is the old form, the circa 1927 sort where good old boys don their sheets and have themselves some fun. Except Ann doesn't ride out into the night. She doesn't light the cross. She doesn't string some Muslims from the trees. She just inflames the riders.
Wouldn't it be great if a million people could sign a petition and that person had to go to war?
I guess that's more than we can say about our Vice President.
In the meantime, what good does she do? How does this sort of crap add to the useful dialogue? This is Rodney Dangerfield political commentary - was it funny to call anyone a hockey puck? Is it particularly hard or clever?
Ann Coulter is as desperate for attention as she is for a decent meal. Leaving aside the proven fact that she often lies, doesn't tell the truth in many of her writings (assuming she wrote them in the first place), and really has nothing to say.
A certain gift for vitrolic prose or vituperation doesn't automatically equate to either a brain or a thought worth sharing.
...I did get a ggod laugh. And sir, you do not offend anyone by saying "thank god", I say that all the time and I don't even believe in her.
Even though many dislike her writing style and humor, she keeps a spotlight on the real issue.......muslim fanaticism. It's not going to go away by being nice. In fact, the nicer we are the more they try to get away with. It's just absolutely insane how we're just giving in. These people are the enemy and we need to start calling them that.
If all Muslims are the enemy, then you think we must go to war with all Muslims. Muslim fanatics are like Christian fanatics in this country. They're very vocal and can put on a show for the media, but the majority of Christians, Jews & Muslims just want to live their lives in peace. Are you going to put your ass on the line, or are you just going to sit by like the people in charge in this country did when they were young? What about your kids? You want to subject them to this holy war you're proposing? Tell you what, you go, let us know how you make out.
That was WAY too logical and direct for a guy like DARWIN.
I agree with you completely. Stoking the flames of fanatacism (from any direction) is no help at all -- Coulter's calling card. But, direct and honest -- even hard-lined -- discourse should always be the preferred route. A person like DARWIN thinks this makes us pansies. I disagree.
You are forgettting one 'small' important fact, my friend: The difference between fanatical muslims and fanatical christians is that fanatical christians aren't doing everything they can to kill or nuke the Western world.
Then I'm saying the same to you. Go straight to your enlistment office and enlist in any one of the armed services. If you are too young, as soon as you're old enough go. If you're too old and have children, talk your children into putting their asses on the line for your Patriotism. Talk is cheap when someone else is doing the dying, my friend.
If you see shades or degrees of one worse than the other... that's your prerogative (my friend). Ultimately, it boils down to irrational fear and hate -- all which lead ultimately to the same conclusion...death and doom for the opposing viewpoint.
Your side just seems to be "christian" and white. I guess that makes it better?
Darwin - You have stated the obvious, but the sad fact is that most of the Western world still just doesn't get it. Maybe they will when the muslim fanatics that they want to placate detonate an nuclear bomb on US soil - but I doubt it. Most of them have either forgotten about 9/11 already, or have decided to blame 9/11 on conservatives.
You go buddy... blindly accept what's been put in front of your eyes. And, last time I checked, NO ONE has said a thing about placating terrorists or rolling over and playing dead.
You said that. And, you use it to support a notion that the only method of retaliation is wiping the opposing peoples off the face of the earth. Well (my friend) you've played right into the hands of your chosen government -- perpetual war and chaos. Now, if you have a vested interest in Halliburton or any of the other corporations benefiting from this "war"... that would almost make sense.
But, the GOP needs blind devotees like yourself. So, as WORRIERKING says... put your money where your mouth is. The Army needs all the recruits it can get.
So, Darwin, did you hate the "commies" before the Muslims?
Ann wouldn't exist without someone to hate.
What underpins her shtick is perpetual war, whether it's bullets or her words.
Interesting: First, it's they[whoever opposes Israel or American invations[see Vietnam,for example] are Communists, than they are bad cause they are not Christians, than they are bad cause they are not like us, not "civilized." Than 1 and a quarter billion people are blamed for the acts of a few. Now, it is because of what people like Ann call a lack of hygeine! Hey Ann and the other right-wrongers-you been in my shower or something? Hygeine? HmmmI seem to remember, from my history...oh yeah...the Nazi's said things like that about the jews, and, pointed to their[the jews' headwear and to the beards, and curly hair, and different ways, and, why, a clash of civilizations....that's right! Almost word for word, you can take statement made by Coulter, Imus and other cultural primitives, and, if you put in the word "jew" in place of Moslem...Voila! Voila...see? hate and racism is now acceptable in the American Media. Man o man, what the hell is going on? Peace-Fayez
Is not only acceptable, but it's encouraged. It feeds off itself.
in palm beach, because she voted in a recent town election at a precinct where she did not live.
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Well,
It seems Ms. 'Annie' continues her unabated diatribes and vitriolic ways which are always always stated in tones of derogatory blurbs AND racial and/or ethnic condemnation. She is typical of a person without any moral compass, starved for attention where there is none of substantive importance in her life, always ready like a 'dog salivating at 'Pavlovian chimes' to denigrate others who either through their 'liberal ways' challenge her .....OR in this case an entire people of a certain ethno-religious identification.
Annie is ready to do battle with the words of her pen where she is removed from any and all who would challenge her vacuous statements of non-thought and bigotry. We all might compel her to be 'ashamed' BUT I assure you a person of Annie's ilk has not the capacity to feel shame BUT is compelled to project her own inadequacies, her own self-hatred on to others as a defense for what she lacks in compassion, tolerance and understanding. It is what every sane parent wishes that their own daughter might never become!!!!!!
As for the larger picture of what she represents, Manuel Venezuela has stated it far better than I ever could to wit:
" Today, on the road to despotism do we find ourselves in, unable or unwilling to extricate ourselves, surrounded on all sides by malevolent men and women who, with each day that passes, take possession and control of more American minds, transforming the country into a land riddled with a complicit army of warmongers and torture legitimizers.
This is the danger of a dumbed-down population, of an education system being gutted even as the defense budget surpasses those of all industrialized nations, combined. This is what happens when drones are created, unthinking and unenlightened, devoid of analytical and logical thought, conditioned to believe anything and everything told them by a government. This is what happens to Empires whose people no longer are capable of rational thought, whose brain lacks the precepts to think on their own. This is what happens when a population fails to question authority, seek accountability or hold leaders responsible. This is what happens without protest, dissent and debate. This is what happens in the absence of bravery and selflessness.
Navy_Guy, you're my hero.
Yes, we must question authority. It's patriotic. And we must get over our infantile desire to believe that someone with an expensive suit and a red tie has a clue what to do.
Folks like Darwin and Ms. Coulter seem sick of political correctness, but political correctness is shorthand for decency, fairness, wisdom, and compassion.
Holly,
Thank you kindly! As for our visitor, 'Darwin', he/she seems to have taken a 'pen name' which is oxymoronic, Ya think!
Hardly a case of evolving to a higher form of thinking!!!
Navy
I love alliteration.
I have heard a lot made of Ann's thinness. We should feel sorry for her on this score, as it must be hard to eat with a bellyful of hate.
Usually I think it's off-limits to comment negatively on something like an obvious eating disorder, but I believe anybody who throws around invective like "jihad monkeys" has forfeited any reasonable expectation of respectful treatment. The funniest thing I have read about her was somebody saying she "returned to her hotel room and licked a Newport Light for nourishment."
Ann and Rush along next time he goes hunting? {And Darwin can go along as a fourth . . .}
Just as a football team is always alert for things that they can post in their locker room, Islamic fundies gotta be glad for Ann's slander.
She works for them and "conventions of civilized behavior, personal hygiene and grooming" are "inapplicable when Muslims are involved." is some of her best work, in terms of recruiting Jihadists, which imperils America's troops...and us.
And Navy, you're right: Darwin is an odd moniker.
Coulter is the most repulsive woman on the face of the earth. I had to read only one or two of her columns before I realized intelligent people simply cannot waste time reading her insipid drivel. She's the female equivalent of Michael Savage (the most repulsive man on the face of the earth). I know progressives pay no attention to her, but I'm wondering if even conservatives have any use for her? I'd rather see Media Matters just ignore her the way they basically ignore Savage, Hannity, Hamblin, and so many other Republican puppets. I think mentioning her name and quoting her idiotic blather on MMA actually increases her credibility.
Alas Peter. Only you and Coulter make a pair of shill.
And when I replied with something similar to the kid, he ran home to his mother. You won't do that, will you? If you think you might, stop reading right now.
Thanks for raising the level of discourse. You may have missed Ann's call to invade other nations, kill their leaders and convert their citizens to Christianity.
That didn't work in the 13th or 14th Century and I think we'll have a harder time doing it in the 21st. The reason that a lot of us left wing extremists are upset with Bush/Cheyney/Rove/Coulter/O'Reilly/Limbaugh etc. is that eventually their hatred is going to drag us or our children into this war. We left wing extremists have a record of having served when called to senseless wars only to be criticized for it later in life. I will not let that happen to my kids or grandkids. So if you're a Bush supporter, get your ass down to the enlistment office, NOW! Bring your laptop with you, i've heard that they've got internet service in Iraq.
About 10 years back, a writer for The Atlantic tried to trace the story of the Vietnam Vet and the hippy that spit in his face. He heard the story again and again, but he couldn't trace it to a source. He concluded that it was apocryphal, but I believe that this seeming folktale pushes a lot of the current pro-war folly and the assertion that those that don't support war aren't patriots.
I expect you've seen this:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
If Coulter wants war, she should wage war, but if we, as a nation want war, we should pay for that war rather than borrow from the Chinese and bequeath monstrous debt to our descendents. I read that never before have we borrowed from foreign powers to wage war. If you support this war, then support enormous tax cuts. It's estimated that Washington will have borrowed 3 trillion dollars to wage this war by the time Bush leaves office.
Ms. Coulter, don't bang the drums of war. Enlist and empty your accounts on that same shining day.
and they just eat up what she says. many future karl roves among them, i'm sure.
No future war heroes!
Of the intolerant nature of this wildebeest of a journalist. And she says that she's a mature adult, calling Muslims "camel jockeys" and 'tent merchants'! Outrageous! Stick to reporting on the affairs of a second grade playground, lady!