Limbaugh called alleged Duke rape victim a "ho[ ]"
On his national syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh referred to the alleged victim of a rape by members of the Duke University lacrosse team as a "ho[]."
During the March 31 broadcast of his national syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh referred to the alleged victim of a rape by members of the Duke University lacrosse team as a "ho[]." During an on-air discussion with a caller, Limbaugh said that former Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton was "trying to figure out how he can get involved in the deal down there at Duke where the lacrosse team ... supposedly, you know, raped some, uh, hos." Limbaugh's made the comment about a recent incident in Durham, North Carolina, in which an exotic dancer was allegedly raped by three members of the Duke lacrosse team. The incident has invoked further controversy because the victim, an African-American, has alleged that her attackers used racial epithets. Prompted by another caller to apologize for his words, Limbaugh said that he had made the statement because he was "running on fumes today," and called it a "terrible slip of the tongue." But he then added that there are "some inconsistencies" in the case and rephrased his apology, telling the second caller, "I regret that you heard me say it."
From the March 31 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:
CALLER 1: Why is it, do you think, that you haven't heard hardly anything from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton about the whole immigration thing? I mean, the silence is deafening from --
LIMBAUGH: Well, they're busy.
CALLER 1: -- the NAACP [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People] and the --
LIMBAUGH: They're -- they're busy. They're busy. The Reverend Jackson is in New Orleans. He's leading a big march there tomorrow. The march is -- what is it called? The -- the march for the right to return a protected vote and reconstruction. He's trying to -- they got problems down in New Orleans. They don't have voter base, and Sharpton's working on a New Orleans deal, too. He's trying to figure out how he can get involved in the deal down there at Duke where the lacrosse team --
CALLER 1: Yeah.
LIMBAUGH: -- uh, supposedly, you know, raped, some, uh, hos.
CALLER 1: But I don't think they're very happy about all of this.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah, well, but, the problem -- that -- that has a possibility down -- that Duke thing's got a possibility of being a Tawana Brawley situation. That -- and Sharpton's got a balance -- can he afford another one of those as -- as his life's going on? New Orleans is a big deal to him, and I -- I'm gonna tell you something. You'll -- you'll see these guys -- at some point, they will get involved, be-because when Ted Kennedy calls it the new civil rights movement, that's Jesse Jackson's turf. He owns it. So --
CALLER 1: Right.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah, anyway, I gotta run here because of the constraints of time out there. [Caller], a great, great question. Uh, exotic dancer, OK, say rape -- whatever happened. You know what it is down there at Duke. It's -- you watch what happens in that. That's --
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LIMBAUGH: It's open-line Friday, and I am Rush Limbaugh, America's anchorman and your host for life. This is -- this is [caller] from Bryant, Texas. Hello, [caller], great to have you with us.
CALLER 2: Rush, did you just call those young ladies "hos" on the nationally syndicated program?
LIMBAUGH: Yes.
CALLER 2: Do you know something about them that perhaps we don't know?
LIMBAUGH: Yes, yes I did.
CALLER 2: Oh, you --
LIMBAUGH: It was a, it was -- hang on -- now, what, what did you say there, [caller]?
CALLER 2: I said, because -- and if they are hos, it doesn't mean that they can still -- you can do to 'em whatever you want.
LIMBAUGH: No.
CALLER 2: Well, why would you call them hos on the national --
LIMBAUGH: Well, because, because I'm running on fumes today, [caller], and I felt terrible about it. And I knew somebody was gonna call and give me a little grief so I'm takin' the occasion of your call to apologize for it. That was, it was a terrible slip of the tongue. I'm sorry. But it wasn't the worst one that has been said recently. You want -- do you know who Keanu Reeves is?
CALLER 2: Yeah, I know who he is. He's an actor.
LIMBAUGH: Well, he's, he's, he's an actor.
CALLER 2: Yeah.
LIMBAUGH: He's a whacko. He's, he's an -- an actor and, he -- what was he doing? He was -- the Women Against Domestic Violence group was already in a dither because Keanu Reeves told an interviewer he learned something filming a rape scene with Hilary Swank for a movie called The Gift. And he said was, what he learned was that some of these ladies don't mind it.
CALLER 2: OK. But --
LIMBAUGH: He said he learned that in a rape scene but -- so, you know, I'm not the worst offender.
CALLER 2: Well, I hope you --
LIMBAUGH: I just, I'm looking at this case down there at Duke, [caller], and it's -- there's some things about it, some inconsistencies. You've got some timeline differentiations and matriculations and, and so forth. I'm just -- but it was, it was terrible slip of the tongue, and I am, I am terribly, I am terribly sorry.
CALLER 2: Well, I was hoping that your animosity for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton wasn't your motivation for calling them hos.
LIMBAUGH: No -- why -- they, they have nothing to do with it.
CALLER 2: Oh, OK. Well, but, I -- it definitely offended me to hear you say that on the national program. The world's largest -- as you say.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah, well --
CALLER 2: But maybe you should take half your brain from behind your back next time.
LIMBAUGH: You know, I'm thinking what I ought to do, [caller], is something that I used to do in the early days of this program and that is spank myself.
CALLER 2: Well, I don't know if that's gonna work. The apology would be good.
LIMBAUGH: I just -- how -- you want me to apologize again? I'm sorry.
CALLER 2: Oh, no, I'm saying -- the apology was good.
LIMBAUGH: I regret that you heard me say it.
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I wanna believe in his apology. I try to believe the best in people. But he called a raped woman a ho, a poor black women raped by rich white men (allegedly). I can't. I just can't.
I've never read a MM post that made me cry, but this did. How can people be so cruel?
He was refering to a childhood memory, either his mom at home, or his best friend in high school.
Had to be, Ho! is what he calls his miserable mother.
Unless you're actually quoting him, then I find this very worrisome, and not much better than his remarks.
You can't blame Rush. You see he was running on fumes . . . and it was Keanu Reeves' fault . . . and the sun was in his eyes . . . and his dog ate his homework. Oh, I know. He couldn't help it because he is on drugs! Yeah, that's the ticket.
she is an alleged rape victim.
Her charges deserve to be respectfully investigated but the accused are also innocent until proven guilty.
There are too many oddities in this case to be saying she is a rape victim. Right now alleged better be in front of it.
After hearing the 9/11 call today, which sounded very phoney, there needs to be alot of investigating before we start saying people are guilty of something they may not be guilty of.
...Limbaugh called alleged Duke rape victim a "ho[ ]"
So, "alleged" isn't forgotten and you're right, Leatherhelmet: we should assume innocence until guilt is proven...or disproven.
However, your politics and your general contrariness might be misapplied in this moment. At MM, you're a reactive man: your role is to disagree.
But do you have daughters? Sisters? I know you had a mother and might still. Does your heart harbor any tenderness for women? Or does your role demand that you doubt this woman, that you disparage her veracity, as Rush did? If you feel compelled to denegrate her, then take a number. I just wouldn't want to be you if the charges are proven. On the other hand, if they're disproven, I'll have no reason for shame, for I haven't disparaged the alleged rapists. How could I? I know nothing about them. And you know next to knowing about the alleged victim.
that your caring only runs one way.
You don't care for someone who might be innocently accused of such a crime. I see no posts about 46 people taking dna tests under what will surely be thrown out under the 4th amendment.
Rush called a stripper a "ho". He apologized, albeit at the end in a sarcastic way after tiring of being asked to apologize multiple times. He didn't say she "deserved" it or any such thing. His point was there are alot of suspicious circumstances as there was in the Tawana Brawley case.
How would you feel if your brother or father or son was accused of rape by someone who is lying? Can you feel the stigma they would have to suffer through?
If she was raped I hope the criminals are prosecuted to the maximum sentences because of the emotional and physical pain she must endure.
So you see, I want the guilty found and charged. Only I have compassion for both sides, where you have only compassion for one side.
You're assuming that I'm assuming that the men are guilty. I'm not. I think guilt is a possibility. Men were massed and likkered up. Most women understand the potential for physical peril in that situation. However, it was that you that questioned the woman's veracity. I did not impugn the men.
You wrote: "After hearing the 9/11 call today, which sounded very phoney (sic)...."
Again, I suggested nothing comparable about the alleged rapists. And I did agree that one should not forget to attach "alleged" to rapists.
I did note that your role, which is to counter whatever MM's posts, might not best surface and serve your compassion.
You said that she was a rape victim.
Media Matters did what they needed to do, and they remembered to call it an alleged rape.
But you did not.
What Rush did was wrong, of that there is no doubt. Even if she is an exotic dancer, there is no right of any man to sexually assault her. There is no right to sexually assault even what people derogatorily call a "ho". No one deserves that kind of treatment, nor is anyone ever justified in treating anyone that way.
"But he called a raped woman a ho, a poor black women raped by rich white men (allegedly). I can't."
So, yes, I failed to attach "alleged" to "raped woman." "Allegedly" is in the sentence. Perhaps a lawyer or an English professor could decide whether that adverb blankets the accusers AND the accused. However, for the sake of decency, I do apologize for my hastiness. I was crying at the time and when I shared what Rush said with other women, they all cried too.
Now, I hope my openness to my error can produce some openness in you. Rape is the least prosecuted crime. If a man wants to avoid jail time, he's wiser to rape a woman than to steal a loaf of bread.
Here are some stats:
"Less than 5% of college women report incidences of rape to the police. [Koss, Woodruff, and Koss,1990. Statistics on Sexual violence Against Women: A Criminological Study]
Only one percent of male students who rape is prosecuted. [U.S. Department of Justice, 1994. Violence Against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics.]
The United States has the world’s highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics—13 times higher than England and more than 20 times higher than Japan. [Senate Judiciary Committee, 1990. Facts about Violence Against Women.]"
Here's the link: [link to www.catharsisproductions.com]
Leatherhelmet already called the phone call "very phoney." I hope you can see how rarely women are heard when they reach out. And I hope you can see that America might be a culture that has cultivated violence against women. And I hope you can consider that it doesn't take a fist to strike a woman. Words like "ho" and "very phoney" also do the trick. They hurt women. They can make us afraid and silent. When Leatherhelmet suggests "very phoney" and when Limbaugh calls her a "ho," it reaches many women. We read it. We note it. And we nod, for it confirms how the world works.
I can't believe that facts make you that emotional.
[link to www.herald-sun.com]
Those are the facts on the original phone call. There are serious discrepancies.
So while you may think it is "hurtful" to women to dispute an allegations based solely on facts and evidence, I don't see how that gets anywhere in finding out the truth of what happened that night.
But it was specifically Rush's slander that squeezed tears from me...and as I shared, some of my female friends also cried, but it's not because what Rush's opinions matter so much to us.
This is bigger than Rush. Rush mouthed what many Americans believe. The facts suggest that this is so: that the felony of rape matters less than slashing tires or shop-lifting an IPod.
As regards your link, the 911 call may or may not have nothing to do with the alleged rape.
It is stated in your link:
"District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment on the 911 call. But Tuesday he said he is "convinced" a rape occurred. He said he based that conclusion on vaginal trauma to the alleged victim, reflected in a medical report, and because of the woman's seemingly traumatized mental state."
"Convinced." Remember, one percent of college rapes produce convictions. Mr. Nifong believes he can secure a conviction based upont the evidence.
Yet, you undercut the alleged rape victim's veracity by calling a phone call, which she seemingly didn't make, because her phone and cash were allegedly stolen, "very phoney."
Maybe the men are innocent. I hope they are. But is the best application of your manliness to disparage the alleged victim? Are you manifesting a type of manhood here that would make your mother, your sister, your daughter proud?
And what else did you do? You quibbled about the proximity of "rape victim" and "allegedly" in my initial sentence. Geez, Leatherhelmet. For once, step away from your neocon world and be brave.
It is better to wait for the results of the investigation before any allegations are uttered.
However, there are a few problems in a rape case. First, the rape happened a few weeks ago, and only now came in the news.
Secondly, the data reported by Holly show that rape is relatively easy to get away with, perhaps due to fear of the victim to contact the police (especially when the victim and attacker know each other, e.g., husband and wife), and fear for stigmatization. This is exactly what L is doing: stigmatize the alleged victim, which can result in even less women to report rapes (he forgets though to stigmatize the alleged rapists who have had several encounters with the police for drunkeness and disorderly behavior).
Further, L marginalizes the impact of rape: rape means penetration, which is a direct attack against the bodily integrity, without any control of the victim against the domination of the rapist. Also, sex for most people is the most intimate event; even prostitutes make a difference between a customer and a partner and use another cognitive schema. Also for prostitutes, she has control of the situation: she determines who she takes as a customer and how far she will go. In this case, the alleged victim is not a prostitute, but performing erotic acts, which is totally different from the step to lie down and get penetrated.
Also, it can come in the news, especially in the case of a white rapist and a minority victim, and some media start calling you names.
Finally, the 9-11 tapes ([link to rdu.news14.com] do not show inconsistencies as far as I can see at this moment: an employee from a supermarket calls 9-11 and tells a woman sists dazed (drunk, high, whatever) in a car and will not come out. A coconds 9-11 call is from another woman telling some men in the vicinity of the house or at the house (not clear to me) yelled racial slurs to her and her friend.
Thus: stigmatizing an alleged victim and marginalizing a rape hurts not only the alleged victim, but can also reduce the number of women reporting a rape (even more so on national tv and radio), and can hurt those women being actual victims of a rape.
Excellent post!
thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
When Limbaugh, speaking for his faction, labels this woman a ho and gets away with it, the message it sends to all women is: "Don't tell. Be afraid. Don't just be afraid of rape, but also be afraid of what people will say after the rape."
I'm so glad you posted, Yellow Bird. Men that support women can be cast as Alan Alda-ish: soft and femme. But they aren't: they're the most manly men that I know.
Only a coward, like Limbaugh, would use his pulpit to denigrate a woman that might be a rape victim. And only a coward, like Limbaugh, would serve the psychological and social forces that assail all women. I don't know Limbaugh, but I'm coming to believe that he truly does hate women.
I undestand why this makes you emotional. Most women have at least one friend or family member that was raped and we know their pain and how they blame themselves. To hear someone speak of an alleged rape victim in this way makes me sick to my stomach.
Also I think some try to minimize rape by calling it sexual assault. This was not only rape but Gang Rape. Something like this happened in my town years ago just after I got out of high school. The young girl was treated as the villan by the town. Thank god that the legal system didn't see it that way and sent them all away for a long time.
A friend from the East Coast called this morning. She's a tough woman: brilliant, and beautifully educated. When I told her that Limbaugh had called this woman a ho, she said, "Give me a second." I did. She then confessed that tears filled her eyes as soon as she heard the word, "ho." I assume that Limbaugh is back on the air, back to his shtick, as if nothing happened, but this is so vile that even the Right must protest.
How many people contacted the FCC because of a nipple? Howard Cosell was fired because he referred to a black NFL player as "that little monkey" and Cosell was one of Ali's defenders.
This is truly a different country. A pundit like Limbaugh can say what he said and it's okay. It's okay enough with Dobson and O'Reilly and Bush and Falwell that they don't call for censure. Limbaugh serves their purpose, which is to protect their power, but every woman that heard Limbaugh say what he said, every woman that sees he won't be penalized for it, all these women aren't psychologically protected by our culture, and especially by those few that pay Limbaugh and those millions that perpetuate his voice and his values by listening to him.
Power must be governed by responsibility. Limbaugh lacks that responsibility. So do his listeners.
" the 9/11 call", even here you Neocons somehow throw in 9/11!
two Righty "Fair and Balanced" reporters apologizing for over speaking on the same day. There is some hope for America; keep it up!
a couple of years ago. Thanks to organizations like MMFA.
The sad thing is that he often features Republican female callers who gush about how wonderful he is and how he has "saved America" and "changed their lives".
Gag.
"regret that you heard me say it" Rush
,... but they are his sincere feelings. Exotic dancer = Ho and if a Ho got raped who cares. I think maybe Tex's suggested approach to this matter is best way. To expose right wingers like Boortz and Limbaugh for what they are they should be encouraged to keep speaking their minds freely. Maybe my approach of trying to shame them into silence is wrong.
...the coarsening of the invective in an earlier thread. I'm truly scared. Hate talk of this magnitude can incite violence because it is violent.
Thank your for considering my "solution". As much as these rightwingers decry "political correctness", they are in a constant struggle to hide their true minds. They have a "formula" by which to attack blacks, but they cannot stray into how they discuss the issue in private, with their "fellow travellers" of the rightwing.
We know the loose talk, the namecalling, and crude jokes these guys must use out of public view, because, like in this instance, it "slips out" in unguarded moments. It's considered "fair game" to attack blacks through the vehicle of attacking "leaders" ... the leaders can supposedly "take it" as public figures. But the attacks are sincere, and the feelings not limited TO the leaders. These are racists.
Hard as it is to hear them cross their self-imposed line, which enables them in their own minds to avoid being called racists ("We only attack the LEADERS, or the POLICY! We aren't racists!"), I believe it important to hear them in the totality of their thinking.
Rush apologized, for slipping up and speaking his TRUE mind. He apologized, because that is talk meant only for like-thinking friends in the locker room, or in private gatherings. He apologized, because he crossed the line, once again (as in football broadcasts), and in a way that he cannot avoid the RACIST label.
He IS a racist, he just wishes to speak in such a careful way that he can marginally defend against the label. Again, he has failed ... and I think that is a GOOD thing for the American people to know.
"Running on fumes..."? No, Rush, your idiocy-filter failed and your true feelings came out. This guy hates women. Is it any mystery anymore?
What do people expect from a thrice-divorced right-winger?
is not an apology. Neither is Keanu Reeves said something worse. He can portray it as a slip of the tongue, but it's really a slip of the curtain showing his real character.
It sounded like a great apology until the end of the clip. With that last sentence he basically nullified his apology and showed that he really meant to call the rape victim a "ho." He wasn't sorry to have said it after all, only sorry for the consequences.
I don't think he should be forgiven for his "slip of the tongue". I think he has more than a casual understanding of what a whore is.
Is Al Sharpton really trying to get into this case, or is that smear to suggest that Al 'only comes to the rescue when there is some political gain'?
Further: L refers to a phrse by KR (if true indeed) that he (L) is not so bad, because others are worse. Or is L suggesting that women like being raped???
And I think it's some of both.
A fair amount of men do think women "like" being raped, and given his misogyny, I have no trouble thinking that RL could be one of them.
A rape fantasy and an actual rape are two vastly different things. I'm not surprised, however, that Limbaugh doesn't know this.
a male getting aroused by a rape fantasy is not the same as a woman being aroused during a rape.
A rape is forceful and painful, which only arouses some men who become horny to being sexually (and socially) dominant.
Thank you-you said it better than I.
"Well, because, because I'm running on fumes today, [caller], and I felt terrible about it. And I knew somebody was gonna call and give me a little grief so I'm takin' the occasion of your call to apologize for it. That was, it was a terrible slip of the tongue. I'm sorry. But it wasn't the worst one that has been said recently." --Limbaugh
I, in no capacity what-so-ever, can comprehend how Mr. Limbaugh (called from here on out in my posts, 'piggy-wiggy') went from calling an alleged rape victim, 'some ho's' to Keannu Reeves 'learning that some women like to be raped'....
Conjuring up an image of an actor (presumably good looking and likeable) to counter a horrendous remark by piggy-wiggy is a master technique for misdirection....
So, he's tired and the truth emerges. When people are tortured, they are deprived of sleep and then they're more likely to spill the truth. Limbaugh is tired and he reveals what he'd rather not have us see. Then, we witness his struggle to be a man. He apologizes, which is manly, but then blames Keanu Reeves, which is what a child does.
However, this could be telling: "I regret that you heard me say it. "
Does he not regret saying it, but rather that we now know what he thinks?
Now, I'm going to say a prayer: "Please, oh, please, let Mr. Limbaugh be reborn as a black woman. Let him/her struggle to attend a lesser school. Let him/her, to pay tuition and rent, strip before rich, white boys. And let them rape him/her."
Except I wouldn't wish that on anyone beyond a few seconds. Not even Limbaugh. I think I wept when I first read this article because Limbaugh seems so far removed from compassion that he feels this woman got what she deserved. After all, she's a 'ho.
Here's Rush flying in the face of one of Bill O'Reilly's biggest 'no-spin zone' bylaws.
Keanu made a brainless remark about women and rape and now Rush can use it in a pathetic attempt to justify his own 'fatigue-induced' racial bigotry.
Instead of just making a laughable attempt to reduce what he said to a 'minor infraction' by sighting what other people have said, he needs to come clean, stop being a closet racist, and let his devoted fans see him for what he really is.
Great. Now I'm behaving badly with my spelling of 'behavior'.
Before I heard that Mr. Limbaugh had a drug problem I suspected that he was mentally ill. Think about it, if you saw him at a party for instance and heard him spouting this hate, you would think that he was either nuts, trying to get a rise out of you, or just mean. Now, though, I think that the truth has come out. Rush hates women and he probably has some violent tendencies toward the. He should be watched very closely from now on.
you might be right. Remember that KKK leader in Indiana that drugged, raped, and killed a girl? By day, that Hoosier espoused the virtues of women. Of course, none of us have sufficient data to know if this is true of Rush, but Rush hasn't behaved in ways that honor women, so he is worth watching.
Is Rush a paper bully and demagogue or does he reveal, in his diatribes, what he'd like to enact? Either way, his verbal violence probably incites real violence against women: and both the Right and the Left should rally against this.
Even if he doesn't really believe half of what he says, a lot of nuts worship him and a comment like this might be all that it would take to incite them.
Rush is just pissed that he's been losing too many of Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person in the World" awards to O'Reilly and Boortz and is trying to regain his prominence.
He's sorry that something this HATEFUL got out onto the air and that he's going to catch hell for it, as he should. Normally, he waits until the break to spew this kind of crap and fire off the "N" bombs he's been saving all segment long.
Rush is a despicable racist hateful POS. THIS guy gets to talk to the troops every DAY and spread this crap?? Sickening.
Limbaugh is an ass. He proves it every day. "slip of the tongue" means he's been saying it (in private) before and after he was on the air. The fact that he's "terribly sorry" doesn't matter... Too late Jackass -- You said it.
This is a sad commentary on the average (man's) perception of women, childbearing, sexuality, etc... The neocon ethos tells us again and again that women are somehow subhuman and not worthy of equal consideration, compassion, or the right to make decisions regarding their own healthcare and bodies. It's pathetic. None of these creeps deserve a fair shake in return -- "sorry" or not.
I lost my head there for a minute. I just know too many good republicans who think like it and rush.
onesandzeros (sic) does represent a faction of women-loathing folks (I specify folks because some women also hate women). It would be nice to believe that he's a solitary nut, but he's not. There's a lot of misogyny in this world. I could dispense examples, but if you've been looking and listening, you've heard and seen it.
P.S. - May I call you "PhatBob" instead of fatbob?
I'm home today from work and after being able to watch my favorite soap opera (The Young and The Restless in case anyone's interested) in real time instead of taped, I switched over to Dayside (on Fox) to see what they were up to.
Well folks from the little I saw it seems that they are promoting the rumor that the victim of this alleged rape was working as a prostitute to put herself through school. Both co-hosts, Juliet Huddy and Mike Jerrick repeated this claim to a woman (a female African-American lawyer) they were interviewing. I'm guessing this might be those Duke lacrosse players defense?
This may also explain the thought process behind the post by onesandzeros. I'm sure he's a Fox disciple and if this is what Fox is selling, I'm going to bet he's buying.
Ms. Huddy should have her vagina and breasts recalled. She doesn't deserve them.
The "she's a prostitute" is such a ragged and rotted red herring. How can decent people offer such a thing as palatable?
Gawd, the Right really does seem deeply indecent to me today.
Women who have sex with several partners (either paid or not) are still viewed as dirt and evil. In most situations, males are not.
... some comparison to that law maker in South Dakota who said that an abortion was approriate for a young teen virgin who was saving herself (yep!) who became pregnant of rape, whereas it was apparently not appropriate for a girl of the same age who had had several sexual experiences who got raped.
Thanks for asking.
First it's okay to rape "sex workers" I assume that means strippers, etc. Then maybe it's okay to rape your date because she came to your room after a date. Then even maybe it's okay to rape someone's wife or daughter because she is wearing something a little too revealing.
Rape is forced. Rape is not sex. I never heard a rape victim say that they enjoyed it. The only way a man could truly know what rape is (except for statutory rape) is to be forcefully sodomized. Does that sould like fun?????
This dimented jackass is not only a misogynist but a sociopath. Hey righties (pay attention) ... this is one of yours.
He did not say what he voted. He could be either left or right. These kinds of statements are naive and hateful and in my opinion do not say anything about his political interests.
Okay... you're right. He didn't mention his political leanings... However, after that hateful diatribe... that guy should be taken out back and beaten silly. I will BET you he ain't a 'liberal'... sort of aced himself out of that one didn't he.
If you want to play fair with an jerk like that, good luck. I think his comments were completely uncalled for and deserve reprimand in kind.
For some reason, I thought you were defending the guy's comments at first (or, at least, his right to say it...if that makes any sense). I read your comment again and I see what you are saying -- the guys an idiot regardless of political affiliation. Did not mean to dig into you Yellowbird....
You had it correct the second time. We are on the same line that the guy is ignorant and deserves everything all of us have posted here.
if it quakes like a duck, and walks like a duck, it is a Righty.
First off, if you "tended to think" you wouldn't have posted your unintelligible right wing babbleistic smoke screen of a rationalization.
Second off, where do you get off speaking for all women and their feelings about "penetration". Just because there are no women who would let you "penetrate "them (you are a romantic one) doesn't mean that women in general hate it. They just tell you that to make you feel better.
Peterson KILLED his wife! But that's ok for you littlewick wingnuts. I suppose that your mother, sister, wife aunt etc must have deserved to be raped?
Man these right wing talk show hosts are so full of it. They are like clones of Newt and Rush. It is so sad that so many people take interest in their shows. It`s like I was told by my father many years ago. "It`s all about the money!" Funny Newt never sold a potion for his cloning or didhe? People had better start paying attention to where our great country is heading. GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yesterday, on a post about Michell Malkin, I asked:
"Do you really think that Ivins, Krugman and Alterman lie, distort and smear like Limbaugh, Hannity and Malkin?"
To which GRHINO replied:
"Yes I do."
GRHINO, If you're here, would you please look at Rush's apology above, then compare it to Ivins' (for misreporting that Saddam had killed fewer Iraqis than had been killed in this war):
[link to www.alternet.org]
Are you willing to stand by your assertion about Limbaugh vs. Ivins?
At a total loss for words. The hate level from the right rises exponentially every day. Inexcusable behavior is excused, everyday.
Where the hell are we headed?
Does BushCo want more war and are they using scapegoats, via their demagogues, to distract us and inure us to violence? This is verbal violence: if we abide it as a nation, does it acclimate us to more imperial violence?
I guess that's what happens when your oxycontin level drops . . .
the same as "smoking crack?"
after all these years of spouting nonsense.
Rush didn't really apologize for what he said. He was just sorry that someone actually heard him and called him on it!
Ole Rush got caught "running on fumes"! We all remember his fume filled Donavan McNabb comments don't we? Let's all face it. Rush Limbaugh needs those fumes to ignite those crosses he burns in his head.
I can forgive rabid right-wing hate speech, but poor word choice: NEVER!
Rush says this: "You've got some timeline differentiations and matriculations and, and so forth. "
What does he mean, "matriculations?"
Perhaps, as a college flunky, Rush is expressing his distrust for college students. ???
Heh
I saw the exchange between you and Holly at the beginning of this thread . . .
I have to wonder: would you be as insistent on using the term "alleged rape" and be as vigorous in the "innocent until proven guilty" defense of the "alleged" rapers if this incident had involved, say the Duke University men's basketball team, and the victim was a white stripper?
Just curious . . .
that exchange was quite frustrating for me. I know that Leatherhead's self-assigned job is to point to the right if anyone points even slightly to the left, but what does denigrating women have to do with the Right? I thought the Right was the party of family values? So, why then, would one shift the focus from Limbaugh's ugliness, to my not having enough "alleged" adjectives in a sentence?
Okay, neocons, here's an "allegedly" for you: the Right is the alleged party of family values. If you want to prove it, then censure Limbaugh. We must have standards, both Left and Right, and here's a place where can agree: one doesn't call a woman a "ho" when she's possibly, allegedly, maybe just been raped.
Rush clearly realized that he'd stuck his huge foot deeply in his mouth, as demonstrated by the panicked voice and inane banter that followed. What the hell is he talking about "some timeline differentiations and matriculations..." ? "Matriculations?" I know that Rush never actually graduated from college, but I would think that he'd at least know what 'matriculate' means, and probably does. But when he realized what he'd said I think he suddenly had his career flash in front of his eyes, and he was rocked for a moment, until, of course, he could get his feet under him by saying that the liberal Hollyweook kook Keanu Reeves has said much worse. Unfortunately, since he has set the bar so low, nothing will happen to Rush, any more than Ann Coulter will ever have to answer for her racist, brutal insults.
You're right when you say the right is the "alleged" party of family values . . . with all they've done to harm working-class families in this country, associating the right with "family values" makes about as much sense as, say, an abortion clinic bomber calling themself "pro-life" . . .