Smerconish called Duke student's e-mailed threat to kill and skin exotic dancers "goofy"

Just live the Beaver.

Like most media accounts, this piece leaves out the words in the email immediately following "cut their skin off," which clarify the email's sexually sadisitic nature and make what Smerconish is saying seem even stupider: [link to www.thesmokinggun.com]

SMERCONISH: Should we lock him up?

With this question, Smerconish seems to be implying that if the e-mail isn't illegal, then it's just goofy. Got to love those false dichotomies. I can't answer the question as to whether the e-mail consitutes an illegal threat, but I do find it sick, not just goofy.

I'm surprised Smearconish didn't pull a Limbaugh and equate the email to "hazing" or a "frat prank," just like Abu Ghraib.

But I'm glad I finally understand the lexicon of the modern day Republican media pundit.

Anti-war = traitor Abu Ghraib = frat prank Sexually sadistic email = goofy

Am I missing anything else?

If that is his idea of 'goofy', then I don't want to know what REALLY tickles his fancy...

Stop making excuses for evil.

Sexual depravity and sadism can't be construed as "Goofy" by any stretch of the imagination.

He even had that wacko Fred Phelps from the wacko church in Kansas on, why do they even give this guy an opportunity to preach his psycho babble?

So we have an rape charge against the Duke lacrosse team and people like Smerconish, Savage and others still missing a huge point here: Even if the alleged rape never happened, are we supposed to think it is ok for minors to be involved in getting drunk and hiring strippers? I think not.

I always find it hypocritical when I hear these smug, WHITE, ELITIST on T.V. defending "the poor, adolescent WHITE BOYS, just out for a little fun" attitude of this country. I keep hearing how this is so damaging to these POOR WHITE BOYS it could leave a stain on their records. They may not grow up and vote Republican.

If this would have been a white college student, mother, stripper (excuse me she would have been referred to as a dancer all this time) and the assailants were the Grambling State Basketball team. These guys would have been hand-cuffed on the spot (if not beaten half to death, remember this was in North Carolina) and be in jail waiting for their DNA results and the media would be screaming how awful these BLACK MEN are. How out of control these BLACK MEN are and something should be done about this awful situation.

It is typical of this country, we will sentence a MINORITY MALE YOUTH to prison for years or even DEATHROW in a heartbeat without even blinking an eye. Remember sending an 11 year old BLACK BOY in Florida to life in prison for accidently killing that little black girl with wrestling moves. Now you have a couple of so called "WHITE BOY's" premeditated beating of homeless men to death with bats in Florida. Haven't heard a thing about that in months? Do you think the 17 yr. old will get the death penalty or even life in prison? I doubt it, it might ruin the POOR WHITEBOY's whole life and we could not stand-by and abide that. So this is just typical of justice (JUST US) in these United States.

SMERCONISH: It's -- timeout. It's drailing. It's called drunken e-mailing. The guy said something goofy. It doesn't make him a rapist. Everybody wants to lynch this entire -- this entire squad so far.

Goofy is akin to silly, ludicrous, a harmless deviation from reality, like calling your business a "Kar Wash." Vile threats like McFadyen made are a very different thing.

Furthermore, "lynching" involves punishment without a trial. Nobody's advocating that.

BLOOM: You think that's goofy? You find that goofy? You think discussion of murdering a woman and getting a sexual thrill out of that is simply goofy?

Direct and to the point.

SMERCONISH: Should we lock him up?

And Smerconish cowardly backs away by refusing to answer. What a surprise.

When someone who looks like Bull Shannon on nitrous oxide thinks that he is a fair arbiter of others' behavior despite reams of proof to the contrary, yet is still taken seriously by some, that is the epitome of "goofy."

let's say I compose a letter to Smerconish, which is only a vowel away from Smearconish, by the way. And in this letter I detail what I'm going to do to his manly member, which will involve various dental tools (Are all you guys crossing your legs here? If so, sorry. I'll soon make my point.). And I sign it. And he reads it. And I detail the time and place, which the Duke player did: I'll state that I'm going to perform genital surgery on his Mr. Happy at 10 pm.

Will this skinhead merely say, "What a goofy girl! Oh, that Holly!"

Or will Security escort him to his car that night and will his legs be crossed all the way?

Isn't this guy so far off the ideological dial that even Righties must forsake him?

Perhaps these lacrosse fellows had listened to the Bloodhound Gang's, "The Lapdance is Always Better When the Stripper is Crying". Perhaps it was pent up rage for being on the.....let's see....lacrosse team instead of a real sport. Who knows.

was a reference from the book American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis made into a movie. Not a movie high on my list.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.nostatusquo.com]

"Two sources close to the team, who asked for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, said that the e-mail was a reference to a movie called "American Psycho." In the movie, which the sources described as a cult favorite that had been viewed by a number of players on the team, a Wall Street banker goes crazy and kills several women, though possibly only in his dreams. After seeing the e-mail, sent on McFadyen's e-mail account, one of the team members remarked, "I'll bring the Phil Collins music," the sources said. In "American Psycho," the killer delivers a tribute to the music of pop singer Collins as he cavorts with intended victims."

Also:

"Interestingly, McFadyen was seen at a Take Back the Night rally held by Duke students protesting sexual violence and the alleged rape itself two weeks after the incident."

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

So, yeah, it was goofy drunken moronic copycat humor from guys that went and saw the movie.

..if you're rich and white, you can say and do whatever you want when you're drunk!

"It's not his fault, he got himself so drunk he didn't know what was happening!

BLOOM: You think that's goofy? You find that goofy? You think discussion of murdering a woman and getting a sexual thrill out of that is simply goofy?

SMERCONISH: Should we lock him up?

No, he should be censured. And guys like Smerconish should be doing the censuring. I'm not talking formal censuring, but men all across America, on the Left and the Right, should be stating, "Real men don't write about killing and stripping the skin off women. That's what serial killers do."

If I ever have to share space with Smerconish, I'll do it under the condition that he be strapped to a dolly and masked like Hannibal Lecter.

Now, I'm just waiting for Amy_in_Ohio to ask, "Haven't you ever heard of free speech?" and to inform us that 259,975 people listen to Smerconish and to say, "That's gotta mean something, doesn't it? DOESN'T IT???"

Yeah, it means that those 259,975 people are the same people that buy "bum fight" videos so that they can feel alive and superior.

I'm beginning to think that Smerconish isn't just prostituting for bling. I'm thinking that he suffers from some pathology that precludes him from considering the social ramifications of this situation. Regardless of whether these men are guilty or innocent, rich, white men in the South requested a poor, black woman for their pleasure. That alone suggests the stink of slavery. And stupidity. And arrogance. What a waste of their educations.

And Smerconish: What a waste of a man.

...that the escort services in that town dispatch white strippers for Duke students unless black strippers are requested.

Leatherhelmet, you sure seem interested in this case. As a woman who's been sexually threatened by a pack of large young men, I have affinity. As a liberal concerned with racism, the inequities of class, and social justice, I have further interest. Why does this case tug at you?

any articles on escort service policies so if you don't mind I will wait until I see something that verifies something that sounds to me like you are projecting. Nowhere have I read where the kid "ordered" a black stripper off the menu.

I was a college athlete and worked in college sports and I find the case interesting given there have been similar cases at other schools (Minnesota and Pittsburgh) where in one case there was a gang rape and in the other the players taped a stripper trying to extort money from them.

I have no particular interest other than to see the guilty party or parties caught.

As far as an activist cause, I have none other than I find the liberal feminist agenda good up to a point, then I see it breaking down into statistical lies, racism, sexism, bigotry against athletes, class envy, distortion of facts and other problems liberalism out of control tends to flame.

I revealed why this case is particularly emotive for me. One can then reasonably extrapolate that I might not be as lucid as normal, given my values and my history.

But I've noticed that you've posted about this case and your posts have been longer than in other threads and topics. Perhaps, as a college athlete, you witnessed a fellow athlete that was falsely accused. Perhaps you were falsely accused. What seems more likely is that whenever a story is told, we project ourselves into someone in the story. It's how we understand stories. So, I project my self into the stripper, which, to some degree, undercuts my lucidity and objectivity. You, being male and a former athlete, have projected your self into the accused rugby players. This is understandable.

However, I seem to have a little more lucidity here than you. You are defending these boys at every opportunity. One student emailed another and threatened to kill and skin a stripper...and you...you dismiss this. Again, I ask you, don't you have women that you love? Aren't there women that love you? Slip into their skins and imagine that you, their father, their husband, their brother, is dismissing a young man that threatened to kill and skin a young woman. What do you see through their eyes? Can't you see the horror, the horror of a father, husband, and brother so bound and restricted by his restricting projection that he can't locate any outrage?

Now, I'm liberal and a feminist. You referrred to a liberal feminist agenda. I missed that memo. So, what's the agenda? And why are you getting the agenda and I'm not. This is a crazy mixed-up world where conservative men are getting the agenda and feminists aren't.

Please also post the gay agenda. I've always wanted to see that too.

I actually think there is a feminist agenda. Here it is: Women should equally share power and resources.

Given that 98% of the world's land is titled to men and that there have been NO American female prezs or vice-prezs, feminists are sorely needed. Now, Leatherhelmet, come on. Be a man and become a feminist. Isn't protecting women and their rights a tenet of the Right?