CNN hire Beck: Illegal immigrants are either "terrorists," outlaws, or people who "can't make a living in their own dirtbag country"
Glenn Beck claimed that there are three reasons that an illegal immigrant "comes across the border in the middle of the night": "One, they're terrorists; two, they're escaping the law; or three, they're hungry. They can't make a living in their own dirtbag country."
On the April 27 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, Glenn Beck claimed that there are three reasons that an illegal immigrant "comes across the border in the middle of the night": "One, they're terrorists; two, they're escaping the law; or three, they're hungry. They can't make a living in their own dirtbag country."
Arguing that it is "obscene" to give illegal immigrants jobs that are "below minimum wage" and that involve "illegal" working conditions, Beck suggested that the solution to the problem is to "put up a giant fence" to "stop the people who are coming here because they're criminals or they want to do us harm," and to "go after the companies" providing jobs to illegal immigrants.
Media Matters for America noted Beck's March 27 claim that Mexico "has been overtaken by lawbreakers from top to bottom," and that what immigration advocates are "protesting for is to have lawbreakers come here." CNN Headline News hired Beck in January for a new prime-time program scheduled to begin May 8.
From the April 27 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
BECK: We could figure this out. These weasels in Washington are never gonna get it done. You wanna solve the immigration thing? Here's how you solve the immigration thing. You hit the companies that are hiring these people. How is it that I can be painted as somebody who is intolerant of people that are different than me? How is it that I can be painted as somebody who just hates Mexicans when the cornerstone of what my problem on illegal immigration is they're breaking the law and they're not alone in doing it. The people who are really breaking the law are the companies that are trying to get rich on the -- you know, let me ask you something. Somebody comes across the border in the middle of the night, why are they doing that? Really, three reasons: One, they're terrorists; two, they're escaping the law; or three, they're hungry. They can't make a living in their own dirtbag country. Well, how could I possibly want to hurt the people who are hungry, who want a better life? How can I possibly demonize those people? I can't. So, now I say, "Hey, we need these laborers over here. It helps them." No, it doesn't. What are the jobs Americans won't take? I'll tell you what those jobs are. Those are the jobs where you're picking tomatoes for below minimum wage, and you're working in conditions that are illegal for everybody else to work in. That's the jobs that Americans won't take, and we shouldn't give them to Mexicans. We shouldn't give those jobs to people who are coming here just because they're trying to put food on the table. That's obscene. Just so you can have a cheaper meal, just so I can have a cheaper box of strawberries? It's obscene. You wanna solve the immigration [problem]? You know it and I know it. You put up a giant fence. You stop the people who are coming here because they're criminals or they want to do us harm. Then, you go after the companies and you stop those jobs from being given to illegal immigrants. Then on top of that, you make it easier for people to come through the proper door. That's how you solve it. Why can't they do it? I just solved it. I'm a recovering alcoholic, former DJ, and I just solved it in two minutes!
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yup, bring up that fence idea again. After all, we know how history shows us how well walls work. The great wall of China was a great idea, right? How about that "effective" hadrian's wall in England? Or the Maginot Line, that one was a winner. The berlin wall? Gee, how about prisons, know of any prison, just one, that didn't have a breakout? Alcatraz, anyone?
The only sane comment this clown made was about going after business, but his reasons for people coming over are nothing more than blowhard talking points of the KKK - I mean minuteman project.
Don’t get me wrong I find Beck's right wing verbiage repugnant and I don't for one minute know what percentage of illegals are “terrorists or criminals” and neither does Beck; nevertheless I'm not aversed to putting up a fence on the border and increasing the professional patrol of the border. I think that a humane plan to deal with the illegal population that is already here has to be devised, but the uncontrolled influx has to be stopped. A country cannot accommodate unplanned growth and the country can't adequately plan with out getting a handle on the census. In addition, I too find the companies that hire undocumented workers more culpable than the workers themselves. What the workers are doing is understandable. It’s what any human being in similar circumstances would do. We provide for ourselves and our families the best way we can. Beck is still an ass; but he's toned this rhetoric on this down a notch. CNN has been showing a segment this week of a racist video game depicting Mexicans running across the border. The object of the game is to kill them for points and you get extra points for killing a pregnant woman that is running with 2-3 kids in tow. The characters were depicted in exaggerations of course. They were much darker in complexion than I am and as most of you know here I’m AA. It was just sick, and of course the genius that created the video game is anonymous. I really believe the racist rhetoric that has accompanied the illegal immigration debate has help spawn this kind of sick reaction. Hopefully that type of rhetoric will be removed from the debate, and maybe CNN asked Beck to modify his tone because of this.
there are racists in every aspect of this debate, of course. and this video game is proof of that, by no means the driving force behind decent people who want our borders controlled and a fair and sensible immigration policy. many in the open border crowd want to make this about race, it is not. it is about illegal immigration, enforcing our laws and our borders. this isn't a race or even an illegal immigrant problem, it's a governmental problem who has allowed a chaotic situation on our borders. it's not a civil rights issue, it's about the sovereignty of this country.
The comment about "making a living in their own dirtbag country" is true. Vincente Fox has done nothing to ease the outpouring of impoverished Mexican citizens from his country... And, he's supposed to be Bush's buddy?? Nonsense. The Mexican gov't needs to take responsibility for its problems so that we may better address ours.
I dont think all the people who want tighter immigration controls are racist or xenophobes. This is certainly an issue with good people and arguments on both sides. I think a country has a right to control its borders and to set their immigration policy. After all the Native Americans worst mistake in the 1600's was having a poor immigration policy. There is also a good argument that America has benifitted in the past from the vibrancy that diverse knowlege and perspectives from an immigrant population. I dont want to see xenophobia come out of demogoguery on the issue, that is my largest concern. I would certainly support some stronger controls on illegal immigration and some better security of our borders. This is one of those issues that most likely is not going to be fixed with a single simple minded answer.
This whole fence/wall thing is based on racism, pure and simple. It's racism for the simple fact that those who advocate building a fence on the border with Mexico are forgetting about a very long border to the north, with Canada. If these disgusting conservatives are worried about keeping terrorists and criminals out of our society, why aren't they advocating a fence or wall on the Canadian border? Further, if these dispicable conservatives are worried about terrorism and crime, why aren't they advocating stiff penalties for businesses who employ illegal immigrants? The reason is that they want to punish illegals from Central and South America. They are racists, pure and simple. They don't like going to their local Wal-Mart and hearing people speaking Spanish (or, in my neighborhood, Tagalog). So, they want a fence...but only on the border with Mexico.
Racist scum.
Sorry for the rant. It's been a long week.
CSL
The reason we aren't talking about a fence to the North is because we don't have the influx of Canadian illegal immigrants like we do Mexican. Come on. WHY must we always throw the race card? I am for a fence in the North too, but we need the Southern border covered first. We aren't seeing huge protests with Canadian flags right now, are we?
Please... some intellectual honest would really be helpful to this debate.
How about the fence in Israel? There would be FAR more bombings in Israel if it were not for their fence.
It's not about keeping 100% of illegals out. It's about keeping MOST of them out. How can you tell us that an open field is just as difficult to traverse as one with a double fence?
because if you build a fence, only the most desperate will find a way through. Isn't that what you want to protect yourselves against, the most desperate?
I am personally making a serious effort to learn the spanish language so I can talk to these people and teach them how to live in this country, just like I learned to, so many years ago. People like Beck should not be given the microphone, the Constitution allows for discourse, but not at the expense of others.
Why aren't they learning ENGLISH???? THEY came HERE, not the other way around.
Beck shouldn't be given a microphone? So, I see we are for free speech... until we disagree with what the speaker says?
read the entire text of what he said and he is absolutely right on many points. the problem begins with the employers who hire illegals, pay them a ridiculous low wage, exploit them, many have no insurance, use our emergency rooms as primary health care costing all of us, it is driving down the price of labor hurting the poorest americans, and on and on, it's out of control and he's right - the spineless politicians from both sides ought to be ashamed. i believe most come here to work and have a better life, they are not terrorists. but the point is we have to control our borders, revamp the broken immigration system first and foremost.
Although the things he said seem fair, I have a few problems with it.
First, Beck mentions three reasons why Mexicans come illegally to the US: "One, they're terrorists; two, they're escaping the law; or three, they're hungry. They can't make a living in their own dirtbag country. " I do not know of any terrorist coming in (those of 9-11 came in legally), although there are youth who are part of violent gangs; escaping the law is not as easy as it soundss, because I believe there are treaties with Mexico (although I am not sure on that one!); also, despite saying that he cannot think of anything why people are thinking him a bigot, he refers to Mexico as their own dirtbag country and its still demonizing to say they are terrorists and criminals together with they are poor and look for a job.
Finally although he seems to care for illegal Mexicans coming here for work that is heavily underpaid, he actually only cares for Americans: "We shouldn't give those jobs to people who are coming here just because they're trying to put food on the table." just raise the salary and the prices, and Americans are willing to do the job. Build a fence to keep illegals out.
Finally, he seems to be proud of himself and to reinforce his suggestions he mentions his drinkin problem and his jobs.
He is inconsistent.
they don't work, period. Didn't we just uncover an underground tunnel between Mexico and California, used to move drugs and illegals? I'm for trying to control the flow, but a fence is just a waste of money. Use it on something more realistic.
A fence can be evaded if there aren't people monitoring it.
And if you have actual patrols in, then the fence is at least partially superfluous.
The fence is working in Israel. It is not about stopping 100% of the illegals. It is about making it MUCH more difficult than it is now.
You don't like wasting money? Isn't that what the government does best?
I personally think it another reichwing talking point about the government wasting money. Prove to me that the government has more overhead slush than big business. Haliburton can't account for millions? not on your radar, you say? prove it.
The Dept of Ag has more employees than there are farmers in the US. The Dept of Energy has more vehicles than employees. The US government owns over 600,000 non-tactical, non USPS vehicles. The US government spends more on civilian aircraft in its fleet, than it would on 1st class tickets for government travel. Need more???
See my post above.
I think we can all agree that the following is wrong, rude, stupid, etc.
I think that all CONSERVATIVES and REPUBLICANS are "terrorists," outlaws, or people who "can't make a living in their own dirtbag country".
Maybe there are some who completely agree with that statement. Do you think that anything I have to say after such a cluster** statement is worth listening to?
One thing I can say with conviction is: Beck is a dirtbag. If you don't know why or disagree, then it is simply not worth discussing with you.
scooter says: " I think that all CONSERVATIVES and REPUBLICANS are "terrorists," outlaws, or people who "can't make a living in their own dirtbag country". "
You may believe that, however, conservatives and republicans are here "legally" and are probably actual "citizens". So, while they may be "outlaws" (in your mind) they are not outlaws because of entering a country illegally! It makes it a different situation when someone is here legally and when someone is here illegally.
Also, Beck never said "Mexicans" are the only ones he is talking about. Anyone can enter through that pourous border, making everyone who enters that way an "illegal immigrant", you people choose to stamp his statement as only meaning Mexicans. There are a LOT of dirtbag countries where some cannot make a living and wish to enter ours because America is the land of opportunity. I have no problem with that, just enter legally.
"Also, Beck never said "Mexicans" are the only ones he is talking about." What do you consider then in the context he is placing it???
Glenn Beck says: " How is it that I can be painted as somebody who just hates Mexicans when the cornerstone of what my problem on illegal immigration is they're breaking the law and they're not alone in doing it. "
Yellow Bird says: " What do you consider then in the context he is placing it??? "
Well, it looks to me like he is saying ANY illegal immigrant. He specifies that he isn't hating Mexicans, but rather his problem is with "illegal immigration", that "they're breaking the law", with the "they're" being the "illegal immigrant". He specifically says that Mexicans aren't the only ones doing it, too.
Cubans come across the Florida border, many Chinese come across the Canadian border...the similarity is they are all "illegal" if they enter illegally, and that is what I think he is saying.
Mexican immigrants come here for 2 reasons - 1) there's a demand for their labor and 2) opportunities are scarce in their country. Want to fix the problem? eliminate the demand, crack down on companies that hire them and make the penalty for getting caught so expensive that no one would dare hire an illegal. Second, put political pressure on Mexico to change their 2 class society and create some opportunities. That's the only way you're going to stop it - hell, if my dog is smart enough to get through a fence, you can bet your A$$ that the Mexicans (who may be uneducated, but they're not dumb) will certainly figure it out. But, Beck ain't the sharpest tool in the shed now, is he? Or, more importantly, his listeners aren't.
LET'S BUILD A FENCE TOO!!!
A fence WILL discourage illegal immigration. It has CLEARLY slowed terrorist attacks in Israel. You are a fool to declare that unless it doesn't work 100% of the time that we should not do it. By YOUR logic we would not have airport security because it hasn't stopped terrorists from boarding planes 100% of the time in the past!
Why aren't Beck and his listeners smart in your opinion? Because they disagree with you? NOW who is not very smart?
you want true facts? Israel's airport security is year's ahead of ours, and they don't need you to take your shoes off to be effective. However, the fence is pure bs. They'll be tearing it down soon enough because of the cost to keep it functional (unless the reichwing has it's way and armeggedon is around the corner!)
I don't necessarily disagree with everything Beck said - I just agreed with him on a few things, but posted too hastily. I DO take issue with the 'terrorist' comments - the terrorists aren't coming over the border - they're much more sophisticated than that - they've got excellent fake paperwork and resources - and a fence sure as hell won't stop them. The mexicans are a different story, and his use of "terrorist" is simply gratuitous here.
Terrorists COULD come over our border, and easily. Terrorists have not attacked us at our ports either, but didn't we go into a tizzy over port security Recently? Terrorists had not attacked us with our own planes until 9-11, but after 9-11 didn't we start playing a blame game about how we could have let it happen?
Things don't happen until they happen. We have to take precautions BEFORE they happen.
Ok, What did he say that was not true? Everything that he said was true.
its true he said that all right!
move to canada.
I like Canada. I think it would be better that this king of person lived in the US with others just like them. They are easier to keep track of (Patriot Act) and at least there is someplace close I can go and talk to a highter percentage of reasonable people.
Do NOT sent the angry white males to Canada. It's like drilling in Alaska.
we can put them in SF where, I believe, O'Reilly and Savage and the like wanted to put a fence around. BTW, is that fence now broken down and used for the Mexican-American Border? To avoid all illegal access, I would recommend the set-up of a wall that once stood in Germany: A wall with glass, watch-towers, and a lot of light and mines. If not, the wall will prove to be an expensive joke for American Tax payers each year that the wall stands there. Will the costs be less than we have now?
It could be like prison, with forced education!
like reading, history and science ... and not to forget civics. Good for the administration! LOL
Yellowbird,
I hope that you were being sarcastic when you said that they should build a fence around SF. As a resident of the city by the bay, I can tell you that a fence is NOT feasible. In case you (and others posting here) don't know, San Francisco sits on a peninsula. Wanna put a fence on the San Francisco/San Mateo county border near Daly City? Nope. That won't work either. Too many people commute from the South Bay area (Palo Alto, Sunnyvale, San Jose, etc.) to have to deal with crossing a border into San Francisco. I probably just wasted my time responding to your post, since you probably were being sarcastic. This response is mostly for those who might take you seriously. :)
CSL
I was sarcastic, and it waw not even my idea. O'Reilly and the like complained that SF is much too liberal and a hot spot breeding colony for liberalism so he suggested building a wall around it.
I like SF. A beautiful city!
Obviously, you've never been there. It's a dirty city where the homeless take dumps in the sidewalks and sleep in your doorway. You can't walk the streets, at night, without worrying about being mugged or raped or killed by the druggies. Then you've got the huge aids problem, where you pray you don't get sneezed on by some wierdo and catch something deadly. If you want a safe (liberal) area, go for the island in the bay, it's much, much more safe and still just as liberal.
If we fined employers $1,000 per DAY per illegal/undocumented immigrant, the problem would go away tomorrow.
But who has time for rational solutions, eh?
but don't look for it, not with bush and his corporatist presidency. the politicians will face a backlash against this very soon. the public will see it first hand this monday when those supporting illegal immigration go to the streets. it will backfire on them and maybe this is what it will take for the public to demand they step up and stop feeding us empty rhetoric.
but alas, empty rhetoric is easy and has been used by all presidents and cabinets, senators and mayors and others in powerfull positions. Its an I.O.U. that is hard to fullfill.
Sounds like someone who I want my kids to look up to.
What is CNN thinking.
I don't know what's going on with CNN lately. They have had their own "buisness experts" and economists that included a spokesperson from a big oil lobby company trying to explain why big oil can't control the price of gas. Even CNN's O'Briens and Paula Zahn seemed somewhat embarrassed by what has essentially been a week of Big oil apologists being paraded. It makes you wonder if there is some nexus between CNN and some of the big 5 oil company.
I wouldn't be suprised that CNN has a connection to Big Oil. Oil companies making record profits while the American people are suffering with high gas prices.
Disgusting.
...and, not just big oil. Big-money corporate culture. The lure is too great...too much, too much money.
Sadly, the idea or notion of legitimate 'news' is gone -- at least, on cable, standard TV, and most standard newspapers. The money does the talking... and we get stories about the little girl who fell down a well, the weather in Pensacola, and the latest NBA scores. The Gov't, on the other hand, can do whatever they please... their freedom comes by way of gladhanding to the corporatists. Everybody in that loop wins -- and democracy dies.
to the Spanish version of the Banner. [link to news.galvestondailynews.com]
Sounds like the reactions to Jimmy Hendriks version. The flag and the national anthem are here holier than the bible!
If American expats tried writing an English-language version of another country's anthem, a lot of us would be hollering "cultural imperialism." Americans can be guilty of cultural imperialism, and so can Latinos--unfortunately, there are fringe groups of Latinos who do exhibit chauvanistic, ultranationalist attitudes. The writers of the Spanish version of the US anthem no doubt have good intentions, but they're causing serious offense to lots of Americans--the same way Mexicans would feel if an American idiot did a number on their anthem.
Beck: "That's how you solve it. Why can't they do it? I just solved it. I'm a recovering alcoholic, former DJ, and I just solved it in two minutes!"
Well, stop all the presses and give this genius the Nobel Prize.
But wait, before we hang the medal around Beck's neck, let's hear some details.
Let's hear how much building a fence will cost. Let's hear where the money will come from. Once that fence is built, let's just see how effective it is. I seem to remember that the Chinese tried something like this and it didn't work.
Let's hear where we get the money and resources for a nationwide crack down on employers that hire illegals.
Let's hear where we get the money and resources to round up 11 million people and deport them.
there is nothing in beck's comments here where he advocates rounding up 11 million illegals and deporting them. you just use that to muddy the debate, it's not here and you know it. any reasonable person knows this is impossible, so why bring it up other than to enflame. as for the money, if this was some social program to infuse money into the welfare state, you liberals would be all for it, so don't talk about "where does the money come from". you don't want to control the border, you don't want to crack down on employers, i guess you just want to open the borders and let any and all come in. how many? one billion? we are a country, not a department store.
if this was some social program to infuse money into the welfare state, you liberals would be all for it, so don't talk about. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You like to do this, so I'll do it back to you.
hyperbole is exaggeration, this is not. it was an analogy to point out the inconsistencies of moaning about us not having money to build a fence, but never turning down more spending to pour dollars into the welfare state. i will give you the fact it may be unrelated to the topic, but hyperbole, no. in order to establish any credibility against building a border fence, liberals should shy away from the "how do we pay for it" argument. and then in the next breath they want to rescind any tax cuts.
...and this meets the definition. Your statement stereotypes Liberals as having a strange fixation for spending tax payer’s money just for the hell of it. As you know stereotypes are ridiculous exaggerations and by doing this you have once again confirmed my opinion that you indeed have a bias against Liberals.
I meant spending tax payer's money on social programs just for the hell of it.
i have a bias, if you want to call it that, i prefer disagreement, with liberal policies. you can call it whatever you want.
I can respect honest disagreement, but I can't respect the intentional mischaracterization of liberal stances to support your arguments. That's not fair and it's not honest, that's all I’m saying.
its an exaggeration that if there is "SOME social program to infuse money into the welfare state, YOU liberals would be ALL FOR it, so don't talk about. " Not every program will be supported by all liberals just for the heck of it.
"you don't want to control the border, you don't want to crack down on employers," which no one actually said. You sort of made that part up.
What makes it pathetic is that only moments before you wrote it, you also wrote "you just use that to muddy the debate, it's not here and you know it."
You did what you bitch about.
read his comments. he doubted, disingenously, that we have the money to build a fence or crack down on employers. not a stretch to say it's a low priority on both for him. meaning, his interest in both are not really there. i stand by what i said.
But I used to be an inspector with a major city government. It costs a lot to crack down on companies. I think you don't know what you're talking about.
And I stand by MY point, as well. No one said what you think they said.
do you know how many companies were prosecuted last year for hiring illegals, i think like one! if we prosecuted them seriously, slapped huge fines on a few, those few would set the example and scare many into policing themselves. they would think twice before exploiting illegals at the expense of hard working americans who lose jobs to the illegals. where is the liberal compassion for our own citizens? that is the biggest mystery to me.
"hard working americans who lose jobs to the illegals" You have a study on that?
you're not serious. nobody except the most ardent supporters of illegal immigration deny this. i am an employer employing construction workers, legal citizens, at $20 an hour. but i can hire an illegal for $13 bucks an hour, what do you think i am going to do. i have a friend who had a damned good job in new orleans as an ironworker prior to katrina, afterwards he was told his services were no longer needed - turns out his job was given to an illegal who undercut his wage. you tell me that's fair, or good for this country. you can't. the employer should be fined big time, but he wasn't.
by the way, i used the above about me being an employer of construction as an example. i am not that employer.
However, I don't think that setting a few examples would work. Look at enron. Other companies conspicously DO NOT seem to care what happens to them. They are not afraid.
I think that we would have to bust 30% of them for the deterent effect to come into play.
I think that the "wall" (whatever form that takes), combined with strict enforcement of employment laws is the answer.
BUT.....I think that money cannot be taken from social programs. It should come from additional taxes, or from military spending, or even from international aid programs before we start cutting social programs. We need to FEED the beast, not starve it.
one of the big draws to this country for illegals is the social welfare state we have created, that is a fact. not all, many come here to work, but definitely a significant number. it's very easy to get on the public dole here, to stay home instead of work. mexico has no such system. this further drains the social services from the legal citizens who may need it. and we all pay.
Despite my clear liberalism, I believe in showing your ID to the social services people. I believe in turning people away who are not citizens, barring unique circumstances.
I want the "welfare state" to work for US, not for the whole world. But I do want it to work. I do not like the idea of limiting its funding and what not.
we may disagree on the size and scope of the social welfare system, that's fine. i appreciate your stick to your principles liberalism, i respect those that are firm and resolute with their opinion as well as the honest disagreement.
Where you get this argument - that illegals are draw to the US because of our social welfare programs? Just curious because I hear this repeated over and over, yet I've never actually heard anyone cite any evidance to support this argument.
I know from my own personal experience that many illegal immigrants are too afraid to use any social services as they could be tagged and deported.
Much Thanks!
Well, it would certainly be cheaper than continually paying for the medical bills for 11 million people. It would certainly be cheaper than paying for the education of the children in this 11 million.
Just how much are we supposed to GIVE them before asking them to become legal? Ever wonder why the Mexicans don't go to El Salvador looking for a better life? Or why they don't go to Brazil? Or why they don't go to Canada, or Cuba or Russia or China? Because they don't offer a better life! However, just like those other countries, we have RULES. You do know what rules are, don't you? There the things that keep society running smoothly. But, hey, why force 11 million people to follow the rules when it's cheaper to let them break the rules.
You're just upset that Beck has a proper perspective on the situation and you didn't think of it first. But, pete592, let's give you your chance....what would YOU do with illegal immagrants? How would YOU handle the situation?
Yes, Beck expressed himself boorishly. Yes, he made sweeping generalizations. But unless America decides to have no border controls at all (and for brevity I am assuming we do want border controls), something must be done about the current problem.
Check other countries immigration laws. Canada will deport. England will deport. Mexico will deport. None allow undocumented persons in their country. Does that make them mean and hateful? No. They simply recognize that they cannot provide effective government for everyone who wants to join in. There are rules that must be followed.
Our problem is really two problems: those that are here, and those that want to be here.
Our unique circumstance is the size of the border. If we offer amnesty to the illegals currently here, tens of thousands more will arrive shortly, hoping to get in on the deal. Unless we secure the border first. A difficult project, yes, but not impossible. Surely not. Fences, patrols, planes, whatever. I would suggest that the folks patrolling the border today probably have some good suggestions on how to do it better, if anyone would listen to them.
The second problem, those that are here, can be best addressed through their employers. Hiring illegals IS illegal. Fund enforcement. When the jobs dry up, they will cease to come.
I hate to be parochial, but unless you're in an area that is currently dealing with huge populations of illegals, you cannot really comprehend how much of an impact they are having on local social services and on honest citizens or aliens. My personal experience is not wide but illuminating.
Being illegal, they prefer to deal only in cash, and they are not paying payroll taxes. When they open a business, they deal in cash, and they don't pay sales taxes or payroll taxes for their employees. If they have a job, they open bank accounts under false names to hide their assets. Even if they can afford it, they do not buy health insurance, preferring to go to the emergency rooms or clinics as indigents. When their family members in Mexico are ill, they bring them here for treatment. One grandfather with a heart condition has been here three times (so far), each time staying either at the hospital or in a fulltime care facility for up to 6 weeks each time, all for free. If they cannot get a drivers license, they drive anyway. The do not buy auto insurance. If they get caught, they pay their fines by doing the jail time. They bring their children up to follow the same pattern. I've seen this firsthand. When you operate your entire life under the "it's OK to break the law, laws do not matter" mindset, you do not function effectively as a citizen of this nation.
Being decended from immigrants, I can appreciate folks wanting a better life. My ancestors did, and I do too. But I am unwilling to continue to pay tax and premium dollars for benefits for folks that do not and will not play by the rules. Beck was boorish, but his underlying points are, regrettably, valid.
Another "He was wrong...But!" defense. Sorry. Doesn't wash. When you lie and act like an ass, you lose the right to a "larger point".
Is that Mexicans are the cause of all the problems with regards to our health care system, wage depression and a raft of socio-economic problems here in the US at the present time.
I'm sorry, but that is a bigoted view, in my opinion.
I'm all for security, being able to monitor who goes in and out of this country etc.. but don't use this issue to vent your bigoted and hateful views...
Personally i feel that if someone would truly hold the business community accountable for the results of their "we must make a profit at all costs" mentality. That coupled with the fact that they "own" the lawmakers and administration...
Everything is made worse by this.. There is not going to be a "magic bullet" fix to the immigration issue. You're going to have to address and undo the underlying causes that exacerbate illiegal immigration. Yes, put pressure on Mexico to reform their economy. (mind you, the "free market" can't fix everything). Yes, please do something about monitoring the flow of persons - Not just south of the border, but north of it and through our ports as well. We need a smart and responsive government to address these issues, not the "posse of a$$ clowns" we have right now..
The problem is not MEXICANS, but ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Yes there is a difference dispite the attempts by the open borders and amnesty for all crowd.
This is what is done constantly. By trying to paint this as an ANTI MEXICAN rant, the race card can then be brought up as well as the anti ALL immigrant card.
Sorry but it's true. Illegals are decimating out country. You cannot have 12 to 20 million people here who are a net drain on our economy without someone suffering for it and unfortunately that is going to be America.
What happens when we run out of money? Just keep borrowing from China and other countries in order to help the corporate Welfare and tax breaks for the rich while at the same time paying for the medical costs, welfare costs, Section 8 Free housing, emergency room care, education (of which a majority will simply drop out long before finishing) and the lowering of wages in America across the board.
Corporations need to be hit REAL HARD to stop them from hiring illegals. Anyone who claims they can't check everyone is lying. It's very easy to do. In fact it can be made even easier with a simply website put up by the SS Administration.
So please stop with the race baiting and the complete lack of understanding as to the long term damage they are doing to America.
I realize we are a nation of immigrants and I would be the first to welcome LEGAL immigrants because I know they have worked hard and long to come here legally. They followed the rules and they know where they are headed to and why. They may have waited years, but they will become an asset to this country because we know they are willing to follow the rules and work hard to obey our laws.
NOT march in the streets and DEMAND we give them whatever they want or they will try to cripple us.
I don't want people in my country who are essentially people who resort to blackmail to get their way.
As well Beck was careful NOT to call Mexicans terrorists, but he was absoletely correct when he said they are one of those three things.
Honesty may be not pretty sometimes, but I can live with that.
Clearly quitting booz didn't do Mr Beck any good. Please, have a beer, I hear "Presidente" isn't half bad (and it's Patriotic as well.....)
you get the "presidente" brewed in the dominican republic. it's better than the stuff made here.
along large portions of the california border. that is why so many illegals try to cross in arizona now. sometimes with very unfortunate consequences. the idea that a fence, combined with agents aware of any attempt to breach the fence, will not stop or at least greatly slow illegals is simply a denial of reality by people who do not like the concept.
we already have fences
along large portions of the california border. that is why so many illegals try to cross in arizona now. sometimes with very unfortunate consequences. the idea that a fence, combined with agents aware of any attempt to breach the fence, will not stop or at least greatly slow illegals...
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As long as it is slowing illegals, its the right thing. Just imagine what the National guard and a great big wall could do.
"As long as it is slowing illegals, its the right thing. Just imagine what the National guard and a great big wall could do." -Dave
Bull----. If you build a wall they'll go around it. If you close off ports they'll fly to Canada and cross the even more porous border there. A couple hundred dollars for airfare to Canada is much cheaper than the $6000 some undocumented immigrants currently pay to be smuggled in by coyotes.
You can't stop people who are hungry and thirsting for a better life no matter how big or high tech a wall you build. The US needs a sensible and realistic approach to immigration policy and border security. That Bill by Senators McCain and Kennedy is a good start.
for airfare to canada is cheaper than the 6000 paid to smugglers to be taken across the border ????? then why is that not done now?
delivered in a crisp, erudite manner. That is precisely what Beck does not deliver. Sheesh, who's the bigger idiot--Beck or the hyenas at CNN who hired him?
Altho Beck's rhetoric is bad, it is true that states such as Mexico cannot support their people due to severe economic and political problems. In the 19th century, that was true of European states such as Sweden--which was a poor, undemocratic state with high population growth. The solution was emigration to the US, Canada, etc.--over 1 million left Sweden. Why did that emigration finally stop? Sweden became a wealthy, industrialized, democratic state with a humane social welfare system (that's of course why masses of Canadians aren't pouring across our border either).
If millions Mexicans would hold mass demonstrations etc. against the corrupt elites that hamper Mexico's development, there'd be more prosperity and justice in the country (and, yes, the US shouldn't aggravate Mexico's situation with unfair trade policies). Mexico has great potential.
There is an old saying, Even the lowest position inany organization, always represents the view of the collective. So by that reasoning, CNN believes that all the countries in Latin America are DIRTBAGS. It is wonderful to know that CNN has a sense of values and always takes the moral highground. Given that these countries are dirtbags, CNN should pull all its reporters out of Latin America. This will certainly fall in line with its high standards!
You know I came across this site and realized that most of these people have never listened to Glenn themselves. You have taken the show and put on here as if this was a serious show. He is a humourist!!! You know laugh laugh? I get so happy when I read these sites that are so liberal and think that freedom is onesided. You all want to be free to say anything, but never feel like you should be held accountable. It's time for all of you to get a backbone and job. I did hear this show and he was telling the truth. Did people shot at the rescue workers? Yes! Did the firefighters from Portland, Oregon get told they had to take sensitivity training before they could rescue the survivors? Yes! Did the media ABC, CBS, CNN, and all the rest tell everyone that people where dying in the astro dome? Yes! Truth is hard to swallow! Did the Mayor Rey Neygan NOT use the buses to evacuate the people? YES! Come on folks look at the truth. I have been all over this country and drive truck. FEMA is a spinelesss organization, but what do expect? Help each other and stop wanting the government to it. You are the ones who need to take action to save this country. Have you gone to help with clean up or have you just blogged about it? I hauled stuff to them...where are you? It's time to stand up on your own two feet and get a job, or volunteer your services to those that need you. Good luck!