Cavuto's Middle East experts: Ann Coulter and Bo Dietl
On Your World, Neil Cavuto turned to Ann Coulter and private investigator Richard "Bo" Dietl for insight into the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. In separate interviews, Coulter declared that, if she were president, she would first "deport all liberals" and then focus on the Middle East, while Dietl, answering a question about Hezbollah's finances, suggested that Turkey is seeking to reinstitute "the Ottoman Empire" by "overpopuliz[ing]" [sic] Germany.
On the July 20 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto turned to right-wing pundit Ann Coulter and private investigator Richard "Bo" Dietl, chairman and founder of private investigation firm Beau Dietl & Associates and a former detective with the New York City Police Department, for insight into the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. In separate interviews, Coulter declared that, if she were president, she would first "deport all liberals" and then focus on the Middle East, while Dietl suggested that Turkey is seeking to reinstitute "the Ottoman Empire" by "overpopuliz[ing]" [sic] Germany.
When Cavuto asked how "President Ann Coulter" would view certain diplomatic overtures toward Israel from Hezbollah's leadership, Coulter noted that her "first act in office ... would be to deport all liberals ... then ... deal with Israel." Ending the segment, Coulter told Cavuto that he could attend her hypothetical inauguration in order to "help us deport the liberals." Coulter has appeared on Your World -- dubbed by Fox News as "the No.1 business news show on cable" -- numerous times throughout the past several months (for example: here, here, and here). Notwithstanding these appearances, on the July 20 edition of the program, she admitted that she "know[s] nothing about the financial world," although that lack of knowledge did not prevent her from opining, on the June 30 edition of Your World, on how the financial markets had reacted to Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court decision in which the court prohibited the use of military commissions for the trials of detainees at Guantánamo Bay.
Later in the program, Cavuto asked Dietl if he agreed with the claim that "$100 million worth of Iranian money and weaponry has made its way to Hezbollah." Dietl replied with a "yeah," but diverting slightly, added: "Look at what is going on in Germany. You have 15 million Turks there, Muslim Turks. You've got Muslim families that are told they have to have six to eight children. They want to overpopulize [sic]. Remember the Ottoman Empire, 500 years ago? Let's go to the real source of the problem here. You cannot live with these radical Muslims. They don't want to coexist. They want to wipe you out or transfer you into being a radical Muslim. That's ... what this whole thing is." Dietl later predicted that "Iran is going to stay kind of mute" in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict because it recognizes that "America is the strongest army there is on the Earth, and that we could go into Syria, into Damascus -- Damascus, and make a parking lot out of that tomorrow."
Dietl has previously argued for more racial profiling in "your 7-Elevens" in order to combat terrorism and once claimed that in the event of a nuclear attack by Muslim terrorists, the United States should declare "holy war" and threaten to "bomb the most religious places."
From the July 20 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:
CAVUTO: Let's say you were president of the United States -- a scary thought, right?
COULTER: Oh, it's a great thought.
CAVUTO: President Ann Coulter has a situation now where the head of Hezbollah says, "We'll release your prisoners if you release ours. We can start talking."
COULTER: I think the point from both Hezbollah and Hamas has to be: Are you going to give up on your single-minded quest to drive Israel off the face of the map? Because, otherwise, this is just going to keep going, keep going, keep going. I mean, that's the point. Israel keeps giving up territory in return for -- can we please just have some land here? And as long as the Islamic terrorists who are of a piece, of what we're fighting against, refuse to acknowledge that, I mean, that isn't an agreement worth happening. It's just a matter of time of waiting until -- until the next soldiers get captured or the next bomb gets launched. And that's what I'd say right after my first act in office, which would be to deport all liberals.
CAVUTO: Go for it. That would be a very interesting --
COULTER: Number one. Then my deal with Israel.
CAVUTO: -- an interesting January 20th. Ann, what about right now? The markets? Separate story for you, I know. But I would sense that if the markets were panicking about the Middle East, they wouldn't be holding up relatively as well as they are.
COULTER: Right.
CAVUTO: What do you make of that?
COULTER: Right, I think -- I mean, I know nothing about the financial world, but I do remember that the day we invaded Iraq --
CAVUTO: Although, you're very wealthy. We do know about that.
COULTER: Wish I knew more, how to make more of that. The day we invaded Iraq, there was a stock rally, too, and I think -- I think what people ought to be worried about, and perhaps are worried about, is the fear of random attacks and people flying -- terrorists flying planes into our skyscrapers. It's the uncertainty of having terrorists on the loose that is frightening us. Soon as the West starts to fight back, whether through Iraq or whether Israel right now, then people settle down -- "Oh, good, we're shooting back now."
CAVUTO: OK. In the meantime, would I be invited to the inauguration if that happens?
COULTER: Yes, you could help us deport the liberals!
CAVUTO: Oh, I gotcha. All right.
[...]
CAVUTO: In fact, the Israeli ambassador's here, saying he suspects maybe $100 million worth of Iranian money and weaponry has made its way to Hezbollah. Do you buy that?
DIETL: Let's -- yeah, let -- let's get to the whole point of this thing. Look what's going on in Europe. Look what's going on in Germany. You have 15 million Turks there, Muslim Turks. You've got Muslim families that are told they have to have six to eight children. They want to overpopulize. Remember the Ottoman Empire, 500 years ago?
Let's go to the real source of the problem here. You cannot live with these radical Muslims. They don't want to coexist. They want to wipe you out or transfer you into being a radical Muslim. That's --
CAVUTO: All right.
DIETL: -- what this whole thing is.
[...]
CAVUTO: Israel now, I think, is waiting to obviously get all these people rescued out of Lebanon. After that, all bets, presumably, would be off. Then I -- I know you don't think it will happen. But, if it does, if foot soldiers are on the ground in Lebanon, not that far from Syria, does that change everything for Bo Dietl?
DIETL: If foot soldiers go in there, that does change it, because now, you're going to have an involvement. And then if Syria -- Syria puts one of their troops in there, and they start getting involved with Israel, it's going to be all bets off.
CAVUTO: Would that entice other governments to do the same?
DIETL: I believe Iran is going to stay kind of mute, because they understand -- and they did all see what we did in Iraq. And let's not be fooled by America. America is the strongest army there is on the Earth, and that we could go into Syria, into Damascus -- Damascus, and make a parking lot out of that tomorrow.
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This proves FAUX is a complete joke. Bo Dietl and Ann Coulter the Middle East experts?
Get real FAUX.
Coulter's views on the Israel-Lebanon situation seem to be identical to those of most Democrats. So why does Media Matters object to having her as presented as a Middle East expert?
Because she's not an expert.
I read this blather about policy topics that has been the kitchen table version of foreign policies for over 50yrs, and I almost want to search her purse for her medication, and feed it to her.
This woman is on the top of the Times best seller list is a frightening fact. How did we come to this place?
The woman is a Cretan. I understood she was the Neo-Con intellectual, the sharp mind with the sharper wit? Eh?
Uh, maybe not, Ya think? Because if you do, Think, and you take what this woman has to say seriously, then you stop thinking a long time ago.
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I didn't know most Democrats' feelings on the Lebanese-Israeli-Palestinian conflict were that they want to deport all liberals from the United States.
You know exactly why they had Ann Coulter as a guest, and you know it had nothing to do with her knowledge of foreign affairs or her infinite knowledge about the financial markets. They had her on to attack liberals. Period.
Coulter's comment about deporting liberals was an aside. Her views on the Israel-Lebanon situation itself are, as I said, indistintiguishable from those of most Democrats, who place all the blame for the current crisis on Israel's neighbors and are unable to breathe a word of criticism of Israel's destruction of Lebanon. So yes, when it comes to this one issue, Democrats are no better than Coulter.
Care to back that up with some facts or examples?
Or are you as full of it as I suspect you are?
Sure, read the text of House Resolution 921, which passed in Congress yesterday with overwhelming Democratic support.
That basically just said we support our ally Israel and condemn attacks by Hezbollah.
Also, not every Democrat voted for it. Here is the roll call.
[link to clerk.house.gov]
Besides, how does any of this make Ann Coulter an expert to discuss the Middle East situation, or an expert on the financial markets?
Like I said, you know exactly why they had Ann Coulter on instead of an actual expert. It was for the very fact that she makes every debate about attacking liberals in some form or fashion.
It shows where the Democrats' heads are at. It also demonstrates what I wrote earlier: that Democrats "place all the blame for the current crisis on Israel's neighbors and are unable to breathe a word of criticism of Israel's destruction of Lebanon." True, not every Democrat voted for the resolution, but I'm glad you posted that link: it shows just how negligible the "no" vote was. Substantively, the Democratic Party and Ann Coulter are on the same page when it comes to this issue. So why NOT let Coulter pose as a Middle East expert? At least she's entertaining.
Even if Coulter was in lock step with the Dems, please answer the many-times-asked-question: HOW DOES THIS MAKE HER AN EXPERT ?
Oh wait, I get it. Turn right 90 degrees, change the subject to something you would prefer to argue. Typical RW tactic. Okay, I give up--your right, the sky IS blue.
I merely said that Democrats are in a weak position to object to her posing as one, given that their own views on this issue are substantively the same. And how did I change the subject? The matter under discussion from the very beginning has been Israel and Lebanon. Does anyone on this thread seriously dispute that the Democratic Party (like the Republican Party) has been shamefully one-sided on this issue? I'm amused, by the way, that you would assume me to be right-wing--as if anyone criticizing the saintly Democrats must come from that end of the spectrum.
You begged the question, now answer it.
I suppose I qualify as a left-liberal. Now please answer the question I posed: Do you deny that the Democratic Party (like the Republican Party) has been shamefully one-sided on the Israel-Lebanon situation?
If you don't like the argument change the focus to attack liberals. Just so you know I am one of the far left liberals that everyone at Fox News so love to hate and I am appalled at what Israel is doing. Instead of negotiating to get their soldiers back they attacked which shows that they had planned this for a very long time. But the broader point is the Neil Cavuto had Ann Coulter on, who can't even masquerade as an expert on the Middle East and the other guy who promptly changed the argument from Hezbollah to Turkey.
And by the way if Coulter is ever elected President she won't have to worry about deporting this liberal . . .I will go a freer country such Iran or North Korea (just so the right wingers don't get their panties in a bind this is a comment on the type of country this would be if Coulter were President. I love this country and hope that we get the right leadership in one of these days).
And obviously I'm being intentionally provocative to dramatize to my liberal friends just how disgraceful the Democratic Party has been in actively abetting the destruction of Lebanon. I'd be happy to drop the whole matter (the screen's getting pretty narrow anyway) if more of you out there will acknowledge the truth of what I say and agree to turn the heat up on Media Matters and other Democratic-affiliated organizations and get them to come to grips with this issue. The silence is really quite deafening, especially when we consider what is at stake: for the people of Lebanon, for the Middle East as a whole, and ultimately for us.
"I'm being intentionally provocative to dramatize to my liberal friends just how disgraceful the Democratic Party has been in actively abetting the destruction of Lebanon."
What about how disgraceful the Democratic Party has been in actively abetting the destruction of THIS country? As long as the Democrats remain the Republican-Lites, the right wing nutcases running the show will be able to cause chaos all over the world so they can steal more from the public trough while everyone is looking the other way.
But the problem you're describing is a long-term one, whereas the destruction of Lebanon is occurring right now. What happens over the next several days will make the difference between life and death for hundreds, and possibly thousands, of people. The Bush administration could end this war now if it chose to, and the Democrats, despite their minority status, could exert powerful influence in that direction if THEY chose to. But of course the Dems are doing nothing of the sort.
The Democrats are taking a tenuous position. Isreal seems to be responding (insanely) to terrorists by purposely targeting and killing innocent civilians (thereby becoming terrorists themselves) and with our nearly full support and MONEY, according to this: [link to www.thetandd.com]
Now Israel wants MORE MONEY for MORE BOMBS: [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Why the darn are we always funding/supporting the violent Wackos the world over, from Saddam to Bin Laden to Saudi Arabia, now Israel? Ugh, why does that seem to be our foreign policy?
And how long until they start bombing the refugees, (unless it's already happened)? [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Are we going to all acquiesce with that too?!?
No not at all. I was just pointing out that as an ultra-liberal I don't agree with what Israel is doing. But you missed my larger point, that the only reason that Ann Coulter was on that show was to attack liberals. Her comments weren't an aside, she took the question, and went completely off topic to attack liberals (which have nothing to do with the conflict). What I find interesting is that what the Bush Administration is doing right now (albeit as slowly as possible which is extremely odd, sad, and frightening) is the old tried and true Clinton method of dealing with a conflict, talking to both sides as a mediator.
What's even funnier is how much it is pissing off his base that he just doesn't send troops (as if we have any to spare) into the region to start World War 3 or 4 or 5 ( I can't keep up with which World War this is now).
See how easy it is to go off topic and no one is the wiser? Ann Coulter did it and you lauded her for it.
It just kills the Democrates if they are the first to say it. Is Media Matters an expert on everything? Oh wait they are liberals and they know everything.
Does that rhyme with Socrates, or is it a name for the boxes conservatives find themselves in when they are out-argued and outwitted time after time?
I think having Coulter on seemingly every program day after day on Fox is part of why their ratings are dropping significantly. Even Roger Ailes said their shows keep having the same guests over and over again giving the same exact messages.
Most Republicans and conservatives I know (and there are many) dislike Coulter. I think they want reasonable, intelligent arguments to support their conservative viewpoint, and they don't get that from the likes of Coulter. If anything, Coulter actually embarrasses them and hurts their arguments.
HEY! You too can be Anne Coulter!!! Try it out...
Q: "What do you think of the current state of the Middle East?" A: "It's the liberals... they should all be _______(e.g. killed, deported, maimed, sodomized, etc) !" *laughter*
In fact, you can answer any question with a answer similar to the one above... and STILL be smarter than Anne Coulter.
Anne's grammar is prob better than mine ;)
It rained today right after I had my Lexus washed. It's the liberals' fault.
I haven't watched SNL in years, but if they have quality skits like these on, maybe I should start watching. As usual with SNL, it goes on a bit too long.
Oh wait... this is REAL? Nevermind then.
I thought this was a clip from Saturday Night Live...NEVER MIND
On matters pertaining to the Middle East, I'd have first asked that chunt:
"Are Muslims Godless? Which is to say, is Allah a God?"
I mean, that is the name of her book; she must have an answer to the question; she must be an authority.
I'd have asked that first, before I entertained any opinion at all about the Middle East from that chunt.
"Allah" is just the Muslim name for the God of Abraham. The deities are one and the same.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE pointing that irrefutable fact out to the average Christian. 9 times out of 10 they absolutely LOSE it, and get suddenly quiet when I show them the proof.
It puts the FUN back in FUNDAMENTALISM.
Ann Coulter
Muslim terrorists:
I think she'd be a fine addition to Hezbollah... maybe she can convert to Islam?
look better in a Burka.
He claims there are 15 Million Turks in Germany?
Wow, according to the Statistische Bundesamt there is a total of 7.2 Million Foreigners living in Germany (out of a population of roughly 82 Million). Guess all those turks are hiding under the carpet somewhere.
Real numbers are here (based on 2004): [link to www.destatis.de]
It rained on your Lexus because of Clinton's mid-east policy.
Don't you know anything? :)
I knew it had to be Clinton's fault!
But Ann you're a woman...I think. You're against women in the military,if you were president,you'd be commander in chief.
Coulter's remark about deporting Liberals IF she was President was funny...seriously you guys need to get a sense of humor. Yeah yeah a LOT of what Ann says crosses the line into bad taste, BUT this didn't.
The rest of her remarks actually sounded INTELLIGENT and right on the money.
As far as Dietl's "conspiracy theory" about Turks purposely overpopulating Germany to help resurrect the Ottoman Empire...well it's a bit farfetched of course, BUT so are OTHER conspiracy theories I've heard in the past few years :-x
It might have gotten an irritated chuckle out of me before she spent years advocating violence against libs. Nowdays, her every utterance gets full scrutiny and ridicule.
If I saw her on the street, I might just have to spend the night in jail to beat the crap out of her.
"If I saw her on the street, I might just have to spend the night in jail to beat the crap out of her."...by Kevino
===== I dunno Kev, you disapprove of Coulter for advocating violence, YET you advocate pretty much the same thing by saying you might have to beat the crap out of her.
Why not just write her a NASTY letter ;-) I'd hate to see you spend a night in jail because of her.
Lighten up my ass. She could be in 1930s Germany talking about deporting and murdering Jews. Somebody should have shut her up then and I wish somebody would shut her up now, permanently...
There was a lot of "humor" about Jews at the time, which helped pave the way foir the holocaust. Also, it wasn't only about Jews, a lot of it was directed specifically at liberals.
Read any book about how the groundwork for Nazi Germany was laid, and you'll see a lot of parallels with today's America.
On Jerry Springer's radio show Friday they played a game where they stated quotes made by Coulter and quotes made by Hitler and the players had to attribute the quotes to the one who made it. My God Hitler actually used the term Liberals derisively in many of his statements. The tone was indistinguishable and many of the players got the answer incorrect. They would attribute statements that specifically mentioned liberals negatively to Coulter when they were actually made by Hitler. Boy actually comparing Coulter's rhetoric to the Nazis is actually dead on and scary.
And I'd STILL spend the night in jail.
Let's say, CNN decided to have Michael Moore on as their "expert" on the Middle East situation, despite the fact that he is not an expert on that subject at all, and is known for his highly partisan rhetoric.
Then Moore went on to continually joke about how when he becomes President, his first act will be deporting all conservatives from the country. The CNN commentator joined in and talked about going to his inauguration and helping him deport conservatives.
It's an insult to Moore to even compare him to Coulter, but I use him because he's a polarizing figure like Ms. Coulter.
I can just imagine all the right-wingers saying, "Hey, it's just a joke," or, "It doesn't matter if Michael Moore is not an expert on the Middle East." Yeah right. They'd be up in arms in the same way they're up in arms about the NY Times.
CNN would look like partisan left-wingers whose only purpose in having someone like Moore as their "expert" was because they were sure he'd use the occassion to insult the right-wing.
CNN would never of course show this kind of blatant partisanship, but Fox News has no such reservations.
Maybe I've got a warped sense of humor...OR maybe a highly evolved one.
First off did Cavuto INTRODUCE Coulter as an EXPERT? Do you consider EVERY journalist/pundit/politician to be an EXPERT on EVERY topic? I certainly don't. Does that exclude them from offering an opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East? Most know a Little about a LOT, or a LOT about a little. But MOST also have a least SOME working knowledge on current events and can sound reasonably intelligent in discussing them. I'd have NO problem listening to Michael Moore give his opinion about the Middle East. Is he an "expert"? No. BUT I consider him intelligent enough to be up to snuff on the situation and offer something insightful.
IF Michael Moore remarked that as President his FIRST act would be to deport all Conservatives I'd chuckle because a remark like that wouldn't be that big of a surprise coming from him. Oh sure Hannity & O'Reilly might get all offended and bluster about it--BUT like SOME on the Left they make mountains out of molehills.
As far as a CNN commentator joining in --well I can actually see Jack Cafferty going along with Moore and even egging him on a bit.
IF Michael Moore remarked that as President his FIRST act would be to deport all Conservatives I'd chuckle because a remark like that wouldn't be that big of a surprise coming from him.
Jeter2, you couldn't be "moore" wrong.
How do I know? READ what Michael Moore SAYS about conservatives.
He pities them for voting against their best interests (that the Republican agenda is not really their agenda) and goes one to suggest when talking to a conservative frame everything in terms of "self-interest", which is condescending but is nowhere near as inflammatory and divisive as Coulter's "jihad" against liberals, who in her opinion should just shut up and follow Bush, or be deported, or killed.
Sorry, but your attempt at “moral equivocation” doesn’t work here. Both Moore and Coulter’s positions regarding the opposing ideology are well documented. Moore is puzzled over conservatism, while Coulter wants me and ALL liberals to cease to exist.
This is why I don’t take her remarks as a “joke”. I consider the source, a criminally insane madwoman who wants me dead.
"Sorry, but your attempt at “moral equivocation” doesn’t work here."...by fantagor
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fantagor, it wasn't me who brought up Michael Moore as a COMPARISON [read the post I replied to]
It was one of YOUR own comrades, Brian in FL that wrote:
*"Let's say, CNN decided to have Michael Moore on as their "expert" on the Middle East situation, despite the fact that he is not an expert on that subject at all, and is known for his highly partisan rhetoric."*
So all I was doing is using HIS example in my reply. And quite frankly I can see Moore saying something along those lines--in JEST. Do you honestly believe Coulter want Liberals deported? Wouldn't that put her out of a job? Come on, get a grip. She was being facetious. As Moore would have been IF he ever uttered something along those lines. Hell I can see Franken or Rhoads saying something similar. In jest.
You say Coulter wants all Liberals dead. Well read what some of your fellow Libs have written here...they want to beat the crap out of her, have her assassinated, etc. Coulter can be a mean-spirited lady for sure, BUT lowering yourselves to her level is just as unbecoming.
Here's a quote I've always found to be suitable when dealing with OUTLANDISH people like Coulter:
"Never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
And the original threat. Is it the same thing when someone tells you they are going to kill you and THEN you say oh yeah I will kill YOU? No it isnt. Once SHE opened the door she has such comments coming. I dont believe for a second Moore would EVER say he would deport conservatives. It would be inconsistant with what he consistantly SAYS.
I absolutly believe Coulter would deport all the liberals in America if it were within her power to do so. And why shouldnt I believe it? She consistantly SAYS that she means everything she says. What in the world would make me take her at less than face value? In fact what can YOU possibly base your assertion, despite her many statements to the contrary, that she DOESNT mean what she says. Can you give me a single quote where she says she is just having us on? When you resort to mind reading to defend the indefensible its really pretty weak.
What IF someone had written this:
"Hey, here's a way to stop suicide bombings – give the Palestinians a bunch of missile-firing Apache helicopters and let them and the Israelis go at each other head to head. Four billion dollars a year to Israel – four billion dollars a year to the Palestinians – they can just blow each other up and leave the rest of us the hell alone."
Guess YOU'D figure whoever wrote THAT would ALSO be capable of suggesting a CERTAIN segment of the population should be deported--eh?
Well Ann Coulter didn't write the ABOVE statement...MICHAEL MOORE DID. [it's from HIS BOOK “Dude Where’s My Country?”]
So yeah I don't think it's TOO much of a stretch to say that Moore could--in jest--remark that his FIRST act as President would be to deport all Conservatives. Hey if he can JEST that the Israelis and Palestinians ought to blow each other up--WHY is it so hard for YOU [and others here] to believe he'd JEST about kicking Conservatives out of the country?
AND just to remind you [all] AGAIN--it was NOT me that even brought Moore's name into this--it was one of your own :-)
I stand by everything I've written.
The Israeli Palestinian situation is what it is. They ARE killing each other in a low intesity conflict right now. What Moore was saying is right now the difference is that we ARM the Israelis with hi tech weapons which the Palestinians would gladly trade their suicide bombers for. He is NOT saying he thinks WE ought to kill either party. He would NOT say we should deport conservatives period. Have you read his books and seen his movies? I have read ALL his books and seen ALL of his movies the statement is totally inconsistant with anything he has EVER said. So stand by whatever you want its still a ludicrous statement on its face. I mean you can believe the sky is red if you want but that wont make it so.
Oh yeah solon--- IF Coulter or O'Reilly had written **the way to stop suicide bombings is to give the Palestinians & Israelis a bunch of missile-firing Apache helicopters and let them just blow each other up and leave the rest of us the hell alone**--you'd be OK with that. BULLSH#T!! You and your fellow Liberals here would be CRYING BLUE BLOODY MURDER! But because Michael Moore said it--YOU are CLAIMING it's just fine.
Talk about Double Standards.
I'm gonna copy & paste this entire exchange to REMIND you of your cavalier attitude towards Moore's remarks NEXT TIME you get worked up over something Coulter, O'Reilly etc have to say.
Once again a Liberal PROVES my point : that it's often the MESSENGER and NOT the MESSAGE that they REALLY object to.
Solon, I've always considered you one of the more reasonable Liberals here, BUT seeing you ACTUALLY trying to justify Moore's remarks is really disappointing. I expected better from you.
I think it overheated rhetoric. It is NOT the same thing as PsyCoulter saying we should drop daisy cutters at random in the middle east or that we should engage in torture as a televised sport. I wouldnt have said it that way, I would agree its insensative, it DOES make a point in a ham handed way. What it ISNT is the sort of thing PsyCoulter has said as above which has NO point and is DIRECTLY talking about attrocities WE should commit. You need to leave the mind reading to someone else trying to say what I would be doing. I understand nuance, I understand the difference between saying those two guys are always fighting we ought to give them both .45's and let them get it over with and saying we ought to just shoot both of those guys and their families because I am tired of their crap. They both may be overheated rhetoric what they ARENT is the same thing. You can continue to TRY to find equivelent insanity from leftist rhetoricians to what Coulter does, but it just isnt going to happen. NO ONE on the left with any credibility FROM the left is her equivelent, NO ONE.
What you like to refer to as "nuance" I see MORE as "parsing".
The POINT [getting lost here] as we delve further from the ORIGINAL topic is that Coulter made a joking aside about what she'd do IF ever elected President [relax it will NEVER happen!]. BECAUSE she's prone to nasty,ugly, vile remarks I understand WHY you [and others] MIGHT want to say her *deporting Liberals* belongs in the SAME category as MOST of her other Nasty Rhetoric. It simply doesn't. Now IF she had said her FIRST act as President would be to shoot or gas Liberals--then I'd agree that's NOT funny...BUT deport Liberals? Come on, just a harmless jab. NOTHING to do with DEATH.
As far as the Moore quote goes, I still BELIEVE if Coulter OR any Conservative had said THAT, you'd be less UNDERSTANDING.
If my neighbors were always loudly fighting and I said 'geez I wish they'd just shoot each other and get it over with' OR 'geez if those two don't knock it off I'm gonna grab my gun and shoot them both'...it pretty much amounts to the same thing...I'd be suggesting they should be SILENCED permanently. Does it really matter THAT much IF I wish them DEAD at their own hands or at mine? It still comes down to wishing them DEAD. One is NOT more moral or kind than the other. AND quite frankly NEITHER remark is SERIOUS in nature...[I'd actually just call the Cops to report the disturbance]
Let's just say we see things differently here, instead of going around in circles. I truly DOUBT we're about to change each others minds--ever! ;-)
Rather that the one has a point and is NOT refferring to violence YOU are going to do and the other does not HAVE a point and refers only to the violence itself. Lets use the original example. What Moore was pointing to has to do with the suicide bombing. He is saying that they do that BECAUSE they dont HAVE access to the same weapons, that they would be glad to exchange one for the other. The violence is already going on and nothing he said could reasonably be inferred as WANTING to be the CAUSE of it, he was talking about evening up the odds and letting them sort it out, NOT because that is what he would like to see but to make the point and becaus IT IS ALREADY GOING ON. I will agree the whole thing was said in an insensative manner to make a point but there WAS a point. Exactly WHAT was Coulters POINT? That liberals ought to be put out of the country, that we deserve to be deported. WHY is that supposed to be funny? I dont think Moores point was funny either but I never claimed it was what it WASNT was on a par with Coulter saying we should drop daisy cutters at random throughout the middle east. That was mindless advocation of violence, her deportation comment was mindless advocation of looking at liberals as not deserving of being Americans IN NO WAY FUNNY. Not MEANT to be funny, it was meant to USE humor as an EXCUSE to denigrate and belittle liberals like me. There is NO possible reasonable argument that Moore is like Coulter OR that he would as was claimed deport liberals your example didnt even come within MILES of showing he would.
I probably wouldnt demonize Coulter had she made Moores statement, on the other hand taking what is said in context of previous statements is NOT unreasonable. However you are just flat wrong accusing me of being more concerned about WHO said something than what is said. At least in the partisan way that statement came off.
Deporting liberals, murdering liberals...I've HAD it with this Nazi inciting violence against ME. Too bad she hasn't said it about blacks because somebody would have taken a baseball bat to her by now...
People like me should be deported from OUR country? Would you have found it funny if Al Franken said he would deport all of the conservatives if he could? Its not funny. Blatant attacks are NOT funny. You need to get a REAL sense of humor so you dont have to pretend to have one. Such a comment isnt MEANT to be funny its meant to use humor as a cover for outrageous statements.
Fine solon have it YOUR way, Ann Coulter, a SERIOUS candidate for President will, as her first act in office, deport ALL Liberals [well at least the ones she doesn't have shot by a firing squad for treason]
In fact-- Deporting Liberals will probably be part of the GOP Platform come Convention time.
And just for the record IF Franken had said he'd DEPORT all Conservatives as his first act as President I would have laughed. In fact I'm laughing right now ;-)
IF you can't differentiate between something said in JEST as opposed to something SERIOUS then it's YOU that needs to sign up for Humor101 at you local college.
*All of the above was intended to be FUNNY...figured I'd better tell you that*
To decent people victimization is NOT FUNNY. Do you know why there arent any good jokes about the holocaust. BECAUSE IT ISNT FUNNY
Joking/jesting about deporting Liberals is NO where near COMPARABLE to joking/jesting about a SERIOUS event like the Holocaust. I can't believe you'd even TRY to make that comparison.
Talk about warped...I'd say that about both YOUR sense of humor and YOUR perspective.
How far will a Liberal go to TRY to win a debate? Apparently beyond all reason....
1. Deporting all liberals 2. Murdering liberals 3. Murdering Muslim leaders 4. "Talking" to liberals by beating them with a baseball bat 5. Poisoning the dessert of a currently sitting Supreme Court Justice. 6. That Timothy McVeigh should have blown up the New York Times building 7. That the 9/11 widows are glad their husbands are dead and their children have no fathers.
And that's just for starters.
Yeah, she's a real laugh riot. Accent on riot.
We will go far enough to KNOW what rhetoric and debate is about. What you just did is the logical fallacy known as the extended analogy that is pretending that when two things are mentioned in a debate that means they are considered comparable. SCALE is not the important element here. The underlying point IS. Victimization IS NOT FUNNY. Check out the logical fallacy known as the extended analogy
[link to www.infidels.org]
What I did was a perfectly legitimate rhetorical device what YOU did was a logical fallacy a textbook example of one actually.
How does Coulter JOKING that if elected President she'd DEPORT Liberals EQUAL Victimization????
It doesn't.
You're REACHING a really long way on this one. AND missing badly.
I thought the idiocy on Asman's show from another post today was as bad as it gets, but this may be worse.
Cavuto is the lead business "journalist" on Fox. And he has these two chowderheads on to discuss something they obviously know nothing about; in fact, Coulter admits here she knows nothing about finance.
Again, it has nothing to do with liberal/conservative, and everything to do with the stupidity that passes for "news" on FNC.
Would you give your money to a broker who got his business news from Fox?
Lighten up folks...
Coulter's remark about deporting Liberals IF she was President was funny...seriously you guys need to get a sense of humor. Yeah yeah a LOT of what Ann says crosses the line into bad taste, BUT this didn't.
The rest of her remarks actually sounded INTELLIGENT and right on the money.
As far as Dietl's "conspiracy theory" about Turks purposely overpopulating Germany to help resurrect the Ottoman Empire...well it's a bit farfetched of course, BUT so are OTHER conspiracy theories I've heard in the past few years :-x
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Nothing about coulter is funny or intelligent. Only an ignorant, bigoted trash citizen of nitwit nation would find them so.
As for dietl"s nonsense, why the need to put conspiracy theory in quotes, derek? Do you feel it rises above that designation and should be considered seriously, since it's merely "a bit far fetched"? In your "mind", what constitutes sufficiently far fetched? Furthermore, how does making vague reference to "other conspiracy theories you've heard in the last few years," make it any less ridiculous?
By ALL means, ENLIGHTEN us , derek.
Coop go to bed.
Oh, that's a snappy comeback. By all means, enlighten us as to what's funny and not so far fetched, derek. Give us the straight dope from slime central.
That Bush wanted and the neocons enginered to go after Iran. But, the only reason anyone has Anne Coulter on is to attack the left. By the way where did she get that adam's apple from? I am of Jewish descent, though I am not 100% and I am a liberal and Israel overeacted, because they want us to attack Iran, just as they wanted us to attack Iraq.
BTW, where is that oil from Iraq, why are they producing less oil now than before if everything is as rosey as the right claims! Coultergeist is a plague sent fom from the firery world below Satan's he/she! And Bo really is as dumb as he sounds. Maybe Glenn Beck should ask him to speak the same as everybody, so we do not have to say, "What the heck did he say"
The Iraq debacle was not about oil. It was about oil companies. We cut the flow of oil from Iraq in half, the price of oil went through the roof, oil companies are now making record profits, oil companies plowed a bunch of cash into the Republicans, and the Republicans gave oil companies huge tax breaks and more subsidies. That's about the only excuse our Dear Leader has not used for the invasion so it's probably the only truthful one.
Is it down to 5 or 6 complete RepubloZombies going on each others shows?
I drive a lot during the days, and catch am right wing radio- I hear Oxymoron (he doesn't seem to do guests), but Hannity, O'Reilly, Medved, Prager etc. all have each other on their shows to "discuss" issues.
Then they go on everybody elses show on Fox at night and say the same things.
Then the next day on the radio they discuss hoe their position is backed up by the news.
With my deepest apologies to my hillbilly bros and sisters out there, it's like an Appalachian family reunion and singles mixer.
I think we're missing the real point, which is that Dietl is getting interviewed more and more. Unlike Coulter, he's not just a provocateur. He's an illiterate idiot who can't even string together a sentence properly. Think of him as a ventriloquist's dummy with a broken jaw.
That he keeps getting 'consulted' for anything indicates that Fox News has no desire to add any content to its show when it can substitute another parrot for the views of every other commentator on their channel, even if that parrot rides the short parrot bus to parrot school.
Pretty soon, Fox is going to do what the Daily Show does when it has "experts" testify, put up fake backdrops behind the experts to make it look like the experts are physically in "Iraq" or whatever environment they are supposed to be in.
Of how many times we are told to "lighten up" whenever someone says something outrageous, cruel or just plain stupid on FOX NewsChannel. So why dont FOX supporters just admit it- the channel is not news at all, its comedy. Getting angry at these clowns is like getting angry at a SNL or MAD TV skit.
No self-respecting News channel would put Ann Coulter and Bo Dietl on to discuss the Middle East, so it MUST be comedy.
And Cavuto joking about "President Ann Coulter" and helping to "deport liberals"-- again, more comedy. No "journalist" would ever say such a thing. So "Lighten Up"- accept Fox for what it is-- a 24/7 comedy extravanganza.
I could stomach Bo Dietl as a regular commmentator on the Imus show- it was understood that Dietl was an illiterate racist xenophobe who was there to provide some comedy. (Why politicians continue to go on that show is beyond me- its hard to take anyone who sucks up to Imus seriously.)
For Fox, etc. to put this guy on tv is just another example of how low television "journalism" has sunk. Its all about ratings, and raving crackpots are more fun to watch than serious commentators.
Bo Dietl, the malapropism king, may have been an awesome cop, but like most cops he's a moron.
Ann Coulter should be assassinated.
Any questions?
"experts"?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be considered an "expert" on the Middle East or any other part of the world, usually you have to have done some things, like:
Studied that region's history, sociology, and culture
Spent some significant time in that region
Written some scholarly article and/or book on that region
Been in the foreign service in that region, as an ambassador, diplomat, charge d'affaires, military attache, etc.
Have either Crazy Annie or Bo done ANYTHING REMOTELY RESEMBLING any of the above? I know Crazy Annie's written a lot of books, but they all seem to be about the same thing: killing, hating liberals, and calling Clinton a rapist. And Bo, I'm sorry, but shaking down Muslim 7-11 store clerks as a NYC cop does not qualify you as a Mideast expert . . .
Ann Coulter and Bo Dietl? What happened... Meir Kahane and Osama Bin Laden weren't available that night?
one is the "True Believer" and which one is the "Infidel"?
Only in "Your World", meaning Fox News viewer world, Anne Coulter is passed off as a middle east expert. How many visits to Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Iran or Iraq has she made?
I'm wondering why Neil Cavuto quipped Anne Coulter for President was a "scary idea". What would he have to be afraid about? Is he gay or something?
This shows starkly the difference between liberals and conservatives. Many conservatives would go along with deporting all liberals. Most liberals would not go along with the reverse.
Many liberals follow in the tradition of Christ but do not admit it. Many conservatives claim they following in the tradition of Christ but do not. (What did He say were His two most important rules?)
Bill
As much as Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly make by blood curdle, I wouldn't want them or their deluded followers to be deported and lose their US citizenship.
But I do think the hatespeech from these leeches should be exposed for what it is. Americans have more in common with each other. But these pundits seek to exploit the differences in order to preserve power for their particular political party.
When it comes down to it, most Americans want to be able to live together peacefully with their neighbors, whether conservative or liberal. And most Americans can respect each others political differences while trying to pursue the same goals. We all want clean air and clear water. We all want a good education and promise of the future for our children. And we all want a sense of security, whether it is financial security or physical security.
"Many conservatives would go along with deporting all liberals. Most liberals would not go along with the reverse." davanzo
Got any facts to back that statement up? A poll at least? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
There is already one conservative who agreed with PsyCoulter. That is SOME evidence. Its hardly likely the only conservative in the world who believes that way conincidentally posted at this site. Check Freerepublic (I am afraid of the brain damage) I bet you would find MANY who did in fact agree.
Why is it that Al Franken can say anything and everything about conservatives. I never hear liberals get in an uproar when he does. What about Michael Moore? It is obvious to everyone he hates conservatives. Moore came out after the elections and said that we should rename the lower half of our country "The united states of Jesus" or Jesus Land something of that nature, was that right. I am tired of it all the fighting and back bitting. When will we all see that we must work together to make our country stronger? Former President Clinton had many policies that I disagreed with but I supported him, most of the time. So, with all that said in the words of the famous Rodney King; " Can't we all Just get along"?
I don't think so but there was a website that had a map that had the red states as Jesusland and the blue states as Coastopia and played a game of at having the two divide into separate countries. I played along for a while. It was fun and cathartic after the immediate dissapointment of having Bush an incomptetent man be elected to screw my country up even more for another 4 years. Although I have moments where I weonder if the huge political divide that exist will ever narrow.
"Why is it that Al Franken can say anything and everything about conservatives." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please clarify this. What does Al Franken day about conservatives in general? Have you ever bothered to listen to Al Franken? Al Franken is critical of the Bush administration, failed conservative policies and right wing pundits. He is quick to point out where right wing pundits like Rush and O'Reilly mislead their audiences. Based upon the short time I have been listening to him, I never heard him demonizing American people who hold conservative values. And he has never suggested conservatives should be deported or the United States should be split into 2 countries. In fact, he often invites a close friend, who happens to be a dittohead, on the air to discuss Rush's all too frequent lies.
Now I have read liberal books where they do but they werent written by Franken
like six year old girls do they? WAAAAHHHH, stop calling us on our hatespeech, you guys have mean liberals too. The diffefence is you will NEVER see comments from Moore OR Franken like Coulter saying the way to talk to a liberal is after you beat them with a baseball bat or that the President should be assasinated or a Supreme Court Justice should be poisoned. Coulter advocates actual violence often on a massive scale, you wont find Franken or Moore doing the same. Therefore they are not even NEARLY the same. You can keep beating that horse if you want but it isnt breathing and its starting to smell funny. It only makes YOU look foolish. Look if you want to be taken even remotely seriously you really need to step up your game just reapeating last weeks propaganda parrot talking points is bad enough YOU keep repeating last YEARS.
I have to question if the huge political divide as you say is that wide. The liberal media and the conserative media would like us to think so, but I think liberals and conservatives can have civil debates. It is great that in America we have the right to be whatever we believe in Dem or Rep it's great. I have to disagree with you on Bush, I think he has done a great job with all he's had on him since becoming President. I'm really thankful that Bush and not Gore or Kerry was president during 9-11 and everything since.
Aren't you the same poster who said in an earlier post that we should split the America into two countries?
What has Bush done that you would consider "great"?
Not with people who come in and attack us right off the bat calling us know it alls and you LIKE the idea of us being deported. I agree the divide is good copy and played up. As for Bush he is easily the worst president in American history and I wish FERVENTLY that Gore or really almost ANYONE else had been president when 9/11 happened. There is a guy in a coma here in Flagstaff that could do a better job of being president than President Gump has.
...Osama would have been captured, put on trial and possible executed by now. During the Clinton/Gore administrations, those who conducted terrorist attacks against us were captured and/or raided, put on trial and/or executed...including our own home grown right wing terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and the terrorists behind the first World Trade Center bombing.
Saddam would still have been contained and over 2500 American soldiers and 50,000-100,000 Iraqis would still be alive. There would have been no civil war in Iraq, the peace process in Israel would not have stalled and Iran and North Korea would not have had to respond to threats by the United States by building UP their nuclear capabilities. To put it in Kerry's words, terrorism would have become a "nuisance" rather than a way of life for the world. Instead, of marginalizing terrorism, Bush/Cheney have managed to radicalize a whole new generation of Muslim extremists. In fact, they have also managed to radicalize a whole new generation of Christian extremists, here.
...listing of radical leftist talking points.
Thanks!
As far as a CNN commentator joining in --well I can actually see Jack Cafferty going along with Moore and even egging him on a bit.
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Just when I think you couldn't be any more shallow, superficial and mistaken in your knee-jerk defenses of all things fox and republican, derek, you manage to drain just a little more from the bottom of the pool.
Do you see Cafferty conducting a lot of interviews on the Situation Room? That's what I thought.
solon wrote: There is already one conservative who agreed with PsyCoulter.
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I am late to this discussion, but it looks again to me that many here cannot tell the difference between sarcasm and legitimate discussion.
Here's a hint: Everytime Coulter says something outrageous, it is just her way of needling liberals. It works only too well here.
IMHO she is by far the best "bomb thrower" on either the left or right. Because of that, she gets plenty of air time. I'm not sure why Franken doesn't appear more, or for that matter, why doesn't Moore appear more? I would think they could be regulars on Oberman's show. Maybe it would help his ratings?
Coutler needs to be deported...this Dietl is a whack job, but I do like his suggestion of declaring a holy war and blasting these people to kingdom come.
It is true that the mullahs are making their people have 8, 9 10 children or more. That is what has happened in Lebanon and slowly they have gained a majority over the Druze and Christians.
Why doesn't doughboy stick to financials and leave the news to real newspeople....oh I forgot there's only one on that station...Shep Smith...how does he stand working there?
Fox has long ago figured out how to bring in the cable numbers.
My guess is that having Coulter on the guest list is similar to putting Princess Dianne on the cover of People magazine...
Because it sells!
yeah they stink.