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MSNBC's Carlson continued Hillary-bashing

August 09, 2006 5:00 pm ET

MSNBC host Tucker Carlson continued his recent attacks on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, stating that the difference between Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman and Clinton is that "he actually believes something, and she's just craftier."

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On the August 8 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson continued his recent attacks on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) during a discussion with Eli Pariser, the executive director of MoveOn.org, stating that the difference between Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut and Clinton is that "he actually believes something, and she's just craftier." Carlson asserted that Clinton has not renounced the "world view" -- shared by Lieberman and the Bush administration -- that led the United States to invade Iraq and asked Pariser: "[S]houldn't you be targeting her for defeat? And why aren't you?" However, as Pariser noted, Clinton has frequently opposed the Bush administration on the Iraq war, recently calling for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and signing on to a letter urging the beginning of troop withdrawal.

Carlson has previously attacked Clinton, calling her a "neo-con" on the August 7 edition of Tucker and asking the Rev. Al Sharpton to work toward defeating her in order to "do the rest of us a favor." Also, as Media Matters for America noted, on the August 4 edition of Tucker, Carlson called Clinton "a phony" and "an appalling figure" and said Clinton's questioning of Rumsfeld was a "shallow attack."

From the August 8 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:

PARISER: The difference between Hillary Clinton -- the difference between Hillary Clinton right now and Joe Lieberman is that Hillary Clinton actually is listening. If you watch what she is doing, she understands that her voters are upset with what's going on -- on the war.

She called for Donald Rumsfeld to resign. She signed on to a letter urging the beginning of exit of troops from Iraq. These are steps toward where her base is, and Joe Lieberman thumbed his nose at the entire Democratic base in Connecticut.

CARLSON: Because he actually believes something, and she's just craftier. And you know that to be true.

Look, here's the bottom line. We went to war in Iraq not randomly, but based on a set of ideas, an ideology, a world view that its supporters share.

PARISER: That's right.

CARLSON: Some supporters like Lieberman, others, you know, in the Bush administration, but they all look at the world the same way. Hillary Clinton is one of those people. She has not renounced that world view, and until she does, shouldn't you be targeting her for defeat? And why aren't you? I don't get it.

From the August 7 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:

CARLSON: I said are you going to endorse Hillary Clinton? Maybe you already have.

SHARPTON: First of all, I don't --

CARLSON: And if you have, how can do you that?

SHARPTON: Endorse her for what? I haven't endorsed her for anything.

CARLSON: For her re-election campaign coming up in November.

SHARPTON: I haven't endorsed Hillary Clinton or anyone else in that campaign. I think that anyone that supports this president should not be supported by me or anyone that believes in a fair and a just foreign policy.

This president was wrong. He was wrong before. I said it in '04. Later, Dennis Kucinich said it in '04. Later, Howard Dean said it. We were right. I think I'm glad to see Ms. Clinton come very late and say that Rumsfeld should resign.

CARLSON: Oh, come on.

SHARPTON: I wish it had been three years ago.

CARLSON: You're not -- oh come on, don't tell me you're being suckered by that PR campaign.

SHARPTON: I said I wish it had been three years ago.

CARLSON: She basically just criticizes his style, but she doesn't criticize the war at its essence. She doesn't explain why it was a bad idea to go in it the first place. She's still a neo-con.

SHARPTON: Tucker, Tucker, if you want someone to defend those that are have been with Bush, including Ms. Clinton, you've the wrong guest. But we have a more immediate problem.

CARLSON: Yes, but I'm just saying, why don't you take your sizable constituency -- look, you are a walking political action committee. You can get voters to the polls. It matters who you support. And my point is, why don't you turn your considerable cash and skills and cachet on defeating Mrs. Clinton, and do the rest of us a favor? Please.

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    • Author by rusty shackleford (August 09, 2006 5:44 pm ET)
         

      CARLSON: We went to war in Iraq not randomly, but based on a set of ideas, an ideology, a world view that its supporters share.

      Add another entry to the ever-lengthening list of "Reasons We Went To War In Iraq." Whoo-wee, it's getting long!

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      • Author by peet (August 09, 2006 6:18 pm ET)
           

        The number of lies is just incredible. Theses guys babble so much, they can't even keep them straight. Bad liers = bad politicians (or bad pundits)...

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    • Author by John the Elder (August 09, 2006 6:26 pm ET)
         

      Empty head +empty suit+no guts+sleeze merchant=TC.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (August 09, 2006 11:31 pm ET)
         

      the true public servants who were tapped into the pulse of the Nation right after 9/11?

      When the most clueless of our fellow Americans were so scared that they'd buy into any kind of BS tough talk that was served up.

      So the smarter politicians who wanted to keep their jobs and show unity went along with the war.

      Now that the short bus segment of the country is starting to catch on, the hawks are principled mavericks who believe in something, and don't pay attention to polls.

      Come on, slow kids. Some of us are trying to have a civilization here, and we'd love it if you joined us.

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    • Author by sasami (August 10, 2006 7:18 am ET)
         

      I agree. MoveOn.org should try to defeat Hillary, too. :)

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    • Author by wesley (August 10, 2006 7:34 am ET)
         

      The meat of this thread is Carlson's claim that Hillary is a conniving, unprincipled politician.

      Once again...even on this self-avowed leftwing site...there is little defense of Clinton. The news is full every day of the proclamations of Hillary as the front runner for the democratic party's 2008 presidential nomination.

      Yet, on thread after thread concerning Clinton which show up on this site, she gets little support . Many of mmfa's readers are even critical of her record.

      Hillary will be a hard dog to hunt with in the 2008 presidential race.

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      • Author by steeve (August 10, 2006 9:22 am ET)
           

        The only "conniving" Hillary's done is to not lead her party as a junior Senator in her first elected office. She wasn't in a position to be a firebrand against Bush in 2002.

        The Left's problem with her is that she holds DLC-style centrist positions. You know, the kind that win elections. It is not "conniving" to hold positions that leftists disagree with.

        And if she'll be a problem in 2008, why wouldn't the right cheerlead for her like with Lieberman?

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    • Author by wesley (August 10, 2006 5:50 pm ET)
         

      Hillary gets slammed by Carlson and steeve is her only defender...and that after some prompting.

      While I'm not a rabid poll watcher...mmfa is...and they have cited many polls showing her extremely high negative numbers. Those polls indicate she will have to win over 80% of the undecided voters to overcome the people's dislike of her.

      Rest assured...very few in the conservative camp are afraid of Hillary running in 2008...I, for one, hope she is nominated.

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