Savage claimed the "average prostitute" is "more reliable and more honest than most U.S. senators wearing a dress"
On the September 21 edition of his nationally syndicated talk show, Michael Savage claimed that the "average prostitute" is "more reliable and more honest than most U.S. senators wearing a dress." As Media Matters for America documented, Savage recently stated that the U.S. Senate "is more vicious and more histrionic ... specifically because women have been injected into [it]." Additionally, while discussing the debate over the coercive interrogation technique known as "waterboarding," Savage declared: "If it was up to me, I would drown them anyway. I'd get the information, then drown them."
Later in the broadcast, Savage asserted that "you're going to see the decimation and the destruction of large portions of Iran" because "[t]hat is what the Bible predicts," and referring to "leftists," proclaimed that "[t]here will be a purge in this country of the vermin within." He concluded: "The American left ... will pay" for "undermining God, undermining country, undermining the undermining the police, undermining the military."
From the September 21 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: I have more respect for a crack dealer than I do for some of these politicians. They're up front about it. I have more respect for a prostitute than I do for most senators. You take an average prostitute, let's say, in a city. Probably they're more reliable and more honest than most U.S. senators wearing a dress. The United States has overtaken France as the country with the highest number of asylum applicants, the U.N. refugee agency said Tuesday. My hair is standing up. Asylum. Asylum. I give them asylum. I give them a one-way ticket back to the hellhole they came from.
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SAVAGE: A vote for him [Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)] is a thrown-out vote, it's a liberal Democrat vote. Torture, he's worried about. Because of McCain, people are dying all over Iraq. Pardon me, it's my viewpoint. The CIA won't torture anymore to get information out of those rat bums. They can't waterboard anybody. Why? Because they're liable to give up information? That offends John Cain's [sic] sensibilities? John Cain [sic]? What an idiot. So he was -- OK, I'm sorry he was tortured in the Hanoi Hilton. But don't punish us because of what happened to him by the Vietnamese, at the hands of the Vietnamese. Don't punish America today, John. You know, just because you got whacked out from the torture don't mean we gotta put up with you the rest of our lives. You're a nut. "You can't torture." What are you, crazy? How are you going to get information out of these guys? They're as hard as nails. You put cellophane over their head and you make them think they're drowning. That's not so bad. If it was up to me, I would drown them anyway. I'd get the information, then drown them. Actually, my idea of getting information -- I could stop the violence in Iraq in about a week. Just get Denzel Washington, the character in Denzel Washington's Man on Fire, use that technique. It's not waterboarding, but it sure worked in the movie.
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SAVAGE: Now what is he saying here? He's saying the opposite of what you think. He's saying that with the ancient Israelites, they will destroy the enemy. They will destroy Babylon. And they will destroy everyone in Babylon. "With thee will I shatter the horse and his rider. With thee will I shatter the chariot and him that rideth therein." Now, what is God saying here? He's saying to the ancient Jews that you are going to prevail, and you're going to prevail and you're going to kill everybody who are your enemies. You're going to have to. You're going to shatter the old man and the youth. "I will shatter the young man and the maid. And with thee will I shatter the shepherd and his flock, and with thee will I shatter the husbandman and his yoke of oxen, and with thee will I shatter governors and deputies. And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion, in your sight, saith the Lord." Iran is going to go as sure as I'm sitting here. As God as my witness, you're going to see the decimation and the destruction of large portions of Iran, and it's going to come sooner than later. That is what the Bible predicts, and as sure as I'm sitting here, that is what is going to happen. He came here and had a good time, the little Hitler. Danced at the U.N., threatened America, said that he's the host of terrorism. And he got away with it. Now he's invited to Columbia University. The leftists love it, too. Their time is coming as well. There will be a purge in this country of the vermin within as sure as I am sitting here. I'm not going to conduct it. After all, I am not a liberal. I don't conduct purges. Only liberals conduct purges. I'm not going to do it. I'm merely a talk-show host. Period. The day will come, the American people will rise up. There will be a reckoning of what the wreckage -- of who caused the wreckage in this nation. As sure as I'm sitting here, just as [Venezuelan President Hugo] Chavez had a good time at the U.N. And he will pay for it. Just as the mad jihadist had a good time at the U.N., and his people unfortunately will pay for it. The American left, who has caused so much damage in this country -- undermining God, undermining country, undermining the undermining the police, undermining the military -- they will pay for it as sure as I'm sitting here. I'm positive. I don't know how, I don't know when, I don't know where.
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The leftists love it, too. Their time is coming as well. There will be a purge in this country of the vermin within as sure as I am sitting here. I'm not going to conduct it. After all, I am not a liberal. I don't conduct purges. Only liberals conduct purges.
Liberals are going to purge themselves?
He could have at least acknowledged that super models also purge.
Being a liberal is like having an eating disorder?
I have to run, I've got to purge myself. I'm going on a binge tonight.
...the savage weiner opens his mouth he purges. Problem is there's a seemingly endless supply of materials.
What a perfect parody of a right-wing nutjob! This guy missed his calling -- he should be doing the comedy club circuit.
He made it on here, didn't he?
He does not like any of us. I am starting to think he is a self loathing gay man.
Reminds me of Roy Cohn.
Don't limit Dr. Weiner's loathing to women and gay men and himself, JLyon. I think he simply loathes everything.
What exactly is this hatemonger a doctor of? Evil?
He has a PhD in nutrition science or something. He was really good at it too - I believe he used to claim that coffee enemas would help AIDS patients.
The reason you and your buds here react instantly and violently to Savage is that you see a mirror image of yourselves--the name calling, the vitriol, the hatred (you say of him). He knows how to get an audience on both sides, and he works it.
Evillib is on the mark in the post below.
The real reason Rusty and his buds here react instantly and violently to Savage is that he's an unwaivering hatemonger with no concept of ethics, but he still commands a following of listeners with radical and bigoted opinions on this country.
If you read some of the archived statements he's made, youll see what I mean.
The man is insane, and some very gullible people take him seriously.
he does have a female base. I hear it growing steadly. I do not agree with statements like that, but do find them funny cause I do not like Boxer or Pelosi. They always seem on the border of losing it.
Ya know, come to think of it, I do not recall him ever saying one bad thing about Feinstein. She is level headed.
he does have a female base. I hear it growing steadly.
What does it sound like?
Bubbles in the bathtub!
I knew Roy Cohn, and he's no Roy Cohn. Well, I don't mean I KNEW Roy Cohn....anyway, there you are going off on gays.
...That with the looks and overall personality of the Savage Weiner, I'm sure he knows all about the hookers.
Hate-filled, bitter little homonculi like Weiner are one of the key patrons of that type of service
...the savage weiner has a thin grasp on reality shouldn't detract from the fact that he's closer to the mark regarding prostitution's relationship to politics than he thinks. He just failed to include male politicians. I rarely agree with any conservative, but Reagan said it best:
"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." ~ Ronald Reagan
How can anyone listen to this crap. It hurts just reading the bile he spews.
Not only is he a self professed expert on the handling of prisoners, but now he's quoting scripture? People actually listen to this nonsense?
'politician' for 'most senators in a dress' and I think you have a truthism there.
hahaha:)
although I was going to suggest merely omitting the part about "wearing a dress".
speaks with authority, i suppose...
I thought this guy made a bunch of money, why is he hanging out with "average" hookers. Dont be so cheap, go for the good ones.
Why is it that right-wingers are always railing about Hollyweird and actors, etc., and yet they believe what they see in a movie like its gospel. Just 'cause torture worked in "Man on Fire" and "24" doesnt necessarily mean its works in real life. I expect to have to explain these things to my 4-year old, not adults.
but torture does work, sometimes.
Care to list some examples?
but to think it NEVER has is simply stupid!
Tell ya what, kidnap my kid and let me try it on you! Bet ya break!
"Killing, naw, that aint no fun. Everything up to it, a gas!"
Most of us hope we would do whatever is necessary when our families lives are at risk. Whatever anyone does, is subject to the law. As of today, the law says you cannot torture anyone, no excuses.
As for our honoring the Geneva Conventions, Savage could never understand our nations position, never having taken a pledge to defend our constitution. Anyone who condones torture by our government, dishonors everyone who ever wore the uniform of the United States Military. We honor the Geneva Conventions because it's the right thing to do. We hold ourselves to higher standards than we do others. The behavior of other nations should not change us. If we allow ourselves to become like those who condone torture, we are no longer the nation we claim to be.
Your moral righteousness is getting our men and women killed! How did we defeat the Nazi's and the kama-kazi Japanese by becoming just as if not more brutal than they were! How many Americans died in the Pacific theatre during WWII ? Aprox 90,000. How many Japanese died? Over 9 million - Thank you Mr Truman! This is how a war is fought AND WON! You make the enemy pay ten fold for their attacks on US! We can not win a "political correct" war - or as Savage would say we can not win a political cowardly war! If our enemies are willing to die forthere 'cause and we are unwillingto kill to preserve our freedoms, we will lose this war! Might as well get your prayer rug and start bowing to Mecca right now!
I had a friend, Tom. He's no longer with us. During WWII he was a guest of the Japanese. He marched in The Bataan Death March. All of his life he was proud of the fact that regardless of what was done to him, his nation was better than that.
My father and uncles also fought the Germans & Japanese. Each one believed in the Geneva Connventions. When it was time for my cousins and I to go to war, they instilled in us a sense that we should be proud to wear the uniform of our country and proud to be Americans.
We didn't defeat our enemies during WWII by torturing prisoners. We won the war on the battlefields of Europe and in the Pacific. Brutality is necessary during war, but when the bullets stop flying, honorable people respect the dignity of their captives.
You seem to have received your education about warfare from watching John Wayne movies. My education came at a higher price.
Our men and women are dying because the DC political establishment is owned by Israel and they're using our troops to wage their war on Islam. You want to see the real enemy of the USA? Go stand outside AIPAC headquarters. It's full of people actively and openly trying to subvert your government to the will of a foreign power for the sole purpose of using our troops as cannon fodder in their proxy wars. They've allied and promoted the worst in American society, the hardcore theocrats and Armageddonists, those who hate the Bill of Rights and destest constitutional government. The real enemies of our freedoms are here at home.
That is hiding under the bed and telling whoever will listen. I dont care how evil it is, we need to torture people and eschew all standards of decency because the terrists might get me. WWAHHHH, momma save me from the scary turban guys. You cannot defeat evil by becoming evil. It has no ideology. You can only expand evil when you embrace evil, taking this country and the world down a sickening spiral of moral depravity and violence that can only end up in the ending of any meaningful definition of civility in the world.
There are legitimate uses for force military and otherwise against terrorists and evil men with their evil organizations committing evil deeds. There is NO legitimate reason to JOIN THEM in their evil agendas
You are hiding yourself. Hiding behind someone else's coat-tails. Letting someone else do the protecting of your nation, then claiming all the rights and crying foul as they protect you. Mrfinance asked a powerful question that, so far, has been avoided. How many Americans were killed and how many Japanese were killed in WWII? If you are to defeat the enemy, you must DEFEAT them, not appease them. Hitler showed what appeasement achieves. Are you saying you would want to try to appease Bin Laden? How far would that get you? Just what do you think he'll say when you tell him "we're sorry, please forgive us. Can we give you anything to make you feel better?"?
Sure, war isn't the best thing to happen. Did you ever see the movie shots of our troops shooting flamethrowers into caves that the enemy had hidden in during WWII in the pacific? That is a cruel way to die, but how many of the enemy were going to give themselves up when ASKED to? And if they hadn't been killed then they would have outlasted our patience and eventually left the caves only to attack and kill our troops. HOW is that different than the enemy we face today? Why should they be treated differently? There weren't too many complaints back then about the "treatment" of the enemy, we only wanted our boys to come back home alive. The more the enemy that lives the more the chance our boys weren't coming home.
The stupid question he asked wasnt relevant. No matter how many we killed we did so according to the Geneva convention (basically) and did not torture captured soldiers. You are also a moron for pretending ANYONE is protecting ME or this country in Iraq. It isnt happening. Perhaps protecting some neocons fevered dreams of a political wetdream perhaps protecting oil corporations profits but they are not protecting ME. So you are stupid. We understand that but where do you get I want to appease Ben Laden. I think he should be captured or killed. He has declared war on the US. Unfortunatly George ADD Bush lost interest in him to fight a more profit friendly war with Iraq. And morons like YOU bought into it because you LOVE to be lied to. So when the rationale changed from WMDs, to 9/11, to freeing Iraq, to bragging rights you dutifully went to Orwells memory hole and did your propganda parrot duty regurgitating the new talking point and pretending the old one never existed. Useful idiots like you MAY be protecting partisan power, or your Bush idolotry, but you are doing NOTHING for me and only a brain dead, brainwashed, OD'd on Koolaid zombie would believe you were.
WW2 was a serious war, there was real and active danger to the world. Yet we prosecuted it without jettisoning our moral standards we didnt sell our souls to beat the Nazis, we maintained civilized behaviour. You cowards, snivelling and hiding under your beds calling for your mommies to protect you from the scary guys who look foriegn would betray the principles of our country and drag our good name through the mud because YOU are scared WAAAAAHHHH. Crybaby conservatives are so pathetic.
I say losing our countries soul to save my life is too big a price to pay. If you have to tortue people to save my life, dont save me. Let me go and maintain our dignity and decency. I understand that a souless ignoramous without any concept of human decency such as yourself cannot understand this simple concept. Dying is not the worst thing that can happen to me. Losing my integrity is worse as far as I am concerned. I get that you have to have a shred of decency to understand this so you probably dont. It is of course also a false dichotomy, I dont belive for one second that the only options are torturing people or having large numbers of us killed. I guarantee you cannot show evidence that this is true. You dont care though. Its the proxy tough guy brutality that makes your little heart go pitter patter. Killing maiming torturing thats what its all about for you heartless souless zombies that pretend to be human beings.
Let me die before I become like that. Use your sickness and hatred and zeal for torture of brutality to save someone else.
" I say losing our countries soul to save my life is too big a price to pay. If you have to tortue (sic) people to save my life, dont save me. Let me go and maintain our dignity and decency. "
There is neither dignity nor decency in that post, so this isn't your country. You would rather appease terrorists than fight them. Yelling about torture in Iraq but say WWII was a "clean" fight. Only morons believe that! Whining on and on about freedoms lost, but don't want to support your nation when it needs support. Remember DEMOCRATS voted to go to war just the same as republicans! Democrats are in power in Washington, too! Only total loonytunes think Bush is all powerful and no one can stop him. All I hear you people say is; "2 more years!" because liberals are helpless to stop the "all powerful Bush & cronies team". I can't believe liberals actually think that way! Such a defeatist attitude, at least I stand up for what I believe in, whether you like it or not. All I hear from liberals is "Bush is unstoppable", "he's taking all our freedoms", "how can we afford a living with gas so high?". Talk about whining!! You people are so weak it's unreal. All you do is sit behind a computer and complain about conservatives coming to "your" website. Then kick them out when they tell you what you are! Get a life! You probably haven't seen sunshine in months, have you? Do you go outside to get your mail, or are you afraid the mailman is part of the "Bush conspiricy"!
May God richly bless you
You wouldnt know dignity NOR decency if it kicked you in the groin and stole your car keys. This IS my country, as much as yours. I DO stand up for it. Strongly. I stand up for the principles that made it a great country. The ones you would jetison because of your fear. Your strawman argument is without merit. It shows how weak your position is since you cannot HOPE to argue what WAS said you argue what you WISH was said. I am all for fighting terrorists. I am ok with killing them in the heat of battle. I am NOT ok with torturing ANYBODY. Of course you trot out another false dichotomy. As if we either torture whomever we want or else we dont fight terrorism at all. Your position is completely befeft of logic.
You say I hide behind my keyboard, I guess thats projection. I tell people the same thing at work. I spoke at an anti Iraq war protest. I do more than just type here. Of course you would have no way of knowing this as far as I can tell you dont know ANYTHING you only have Hannity/Limbaugh talking points to parrot. You are the one that doesnt do your part so support this counrty. Your Bush idolotry would trash the Geneva convention so that when OUR soldiers are tortured they can blame people like YOU, the idiocy that you are supporting make it inevitable. I dont have to support Bushs positions no matter who voted for them and I do blame the dems for giving Bush the keys to the car they should have know he was lying and would drive it off the cliff. The IWR resolution was far from a blank check however. You think patriotism is doing what you are told, supporting what you are told to and thinking what you are told to. In my opinion that is pathetic. NOTHING will make me support torture I dont care if Congess passes a law making it legal unanimously. It is still EVIL. I bet if they were torturing OUR guys you would think it was evil. As usual the moral blindness of the right cannot percieve a double standard. It would be EVIL if it were done to us but only necessary when WE do it.
You claim only morons believe WW 2 was a clean fight. Well there was a lot of bombing of civilians. However that was what was going on and as far as I know its still not outlawed by international law in WAR. And WW2 was a WAR a declared WAR. However if YOU have any evidence we tortured POWs then cough it up. Otherwise you show quite clearly who the moron is. Actually you have done that anyway but either cough up what is relevent. When did we torture WW2 POWs or admit that as usual you just dont know what you are talking about.
The rest of your post besides the requisite ignorance must be pure projection. First of all I WORK outside nor have you seen me say Bush is all powerful nor unstoppable. Just ignorant, and a liar of epic proportions. Nor have I complained about high gas prices. I make a lot of money if they double I will still be ok. What is weak is your attempt to make an argument. Borrow some money from your mother, leave your moms basement and try to pay someone to give you a brain transplant yours doesnt work. You have zero ability for higher brain function
" NOTHING will make me support torture I dont care if Congess passes a law making it legal unanimously. It is still EVIL. I bet if they were torturing OUR guys you would think it was evil. "
I have NEVER said torture is ok or acceptable. It is YOU who keeps saying that if someone supports the war then they obviously support torture. Well, I DO support the war effort, as long as we keep it moral (my moral standards...which are obviously higher than any liberals). Your strawman arguement is still not working.
" and I do blame the dems for giving Bush the keys to the car they should have know he was lying and would drive it off the cliff. "
" First of all I WORK outside nor have you seen me say Bush is all powerful nor unstoppable. "
Apparantly saying "giving Bush the keys" is different? Are you saying the dems don't have the power to take the keys out of his hands? You speak out of both sides of your mouth, first you say he isn't all powerful, then you say he has complete control of the nation. Which is it? Is this how you do your speaches? You say what the crowd wants to hear when they want to hear it? You're not John Kerry are you? You clutter all your posts with dribble about other's inadequacy, yet.....
Since THAT was what this part of the thread was talking about, since THAT is what mrfinance was talking about when he wrote about fighting fire with fire, the rest of your arguments were non sequitars. Since THAT was what was being discussed when you jumped into ONE discussion thinking it was another it was NOT a strawman argument IT WAS THE POINT BEING ARGUED.
Bush doesnt have to be all powerful to have great power in foriegn policy matters. The constitution gives that to him. I do blame the dems as I have said. I will not vote for any pro war democrat except for president as I cannot begin to imagine the destruction another Bushbot republican would do this country. Of COURSE the dems dont have the power to stop Bush and his war fit since they dont have the majority in Congress, I mean that is fairly obvious. That doesnt make him ALL powerful, he could be impeached, he could be imprisoned. He is not a king. He does have a lot of power and since he has a republican controlled Congress he has even more. Your assertion I was speaking out of both sides of my mouth was frankly stupid. I wasnt, nothing I said was contradictory no matter how much you WISH it was.
I dont clutter all my posts with jabs at others inadequacies even when they are as painfully obvious as YOURS. Only when they START the namecalling like telling me that your moral standards are higher than any liberals. Another obvious indication that you wouldnt know moral standards from the Rock of Gibralter. YOU have the moral standards of a drug addicted snake. Since you dont even know what moral standards ARE your assertion about your moral purity is pretty lame.
Now that we have the mutual name calling out of the way lets talk about the issue. OK, you DONT approve of torture. Good that can go away. Fighting terrorists is a good goal I even think the way to accomplish it has a part for the military to play. However I do not see how invading the most secular nation in the middle east could possibly be helpful in fighting Fundamentalist Islamic Extremist terrorists. I dont think we will bomb our way out of the problem. Our only real difference if your concern is fighting terrorism is the tactics. I certainly belive it is important and we should be fighting them. Alienating the entire Muslim population is NOT going to help. Using terrorism as an excuse to invade an oil rich country is NOT GOING TO HELP it WILL help alienate those reasonable Muslims that we could really use on our side. I am not a pacifist. I believe in using force when necessary. We should certainly do what we can to minimize innocent casualties but they happen. What is NOT reasonable is lying and distorting which Bush absolutly did in order to invade a country. What is not reasonable is using terrorism as an excuse doing things that HURT a fight against terrorism in order to push a partisan or political agenda. Our soldiers should NOT have their lives used cheaply to further political agendas nor for what is not crucial to our country.
You say you support the war effort. I do not believe this war in Iraq is in Americas best interest nor that it is crucial to our country. The only mechanism that EXISTS to protect our soldiers from their lives being used cheaply by an unscrupulous politician is PUBLIC OPINION. So if you believe as I do that this war is not morally justifyable then it is my responsibility to try to protect those soldiers in the way given me to do so. They sign up to protect me. My obligation is to protect them. Even if you disagree with my take on the issue you should be able to understand that.
As to what I told people in my anti war speech its not relevant. I dont read minds so I dont know what they wanted to hear. I told them what I thought like I do here.
" Using terrorism as an excuse to invade an oil rich country is NOT GOING TO HELP it WILL help alienate those reasonable Muslims that we could really use on our side. "
" What is NOT reasonable is lying and distorting which Bush absolutly did in order to invade a country. "
Why did the US enter Iraq? Can you answer that? The only country we "invaded" because of terrorism was Afghanistan. We "invaded" Iraq with a UN authorized plan to remove Saddam from power and eliminate his military capabilities. Once we eliminated both, the terrorist came in and attacked us. How is trying to secure a self-governing nation being a lie or distortion? You'll notice that the ONLY thing keeping Iraq from being a normal country are the terrorists. The US finished their job years ago, but the terrorists continue to destroy what we have established. Are you denying that the terrorists are hindering what needs to be done to get Iraq back to being a normalized country? Your "reasonable Muslims" need to step up to the plate and take responsibility, now. Have they, yet..NO! Maybe we were wrong and those "reasonable Muslims" don't WANT freedom and would have preferred to be killed and tortured by Saddam and HIS cronies?
The only way you can claim Bush "invaded an oil rich country" using terrism as an excuse is to say Afghanistan is oil rich (it isn't, it's heroin rich...which the liberals prefer over oil). We did not invade Iraq using terrorism as an excuse. Terrorism came to us (just like it did on 9/11). Are you blind to facts or do you choose not to see them on purpose?
SOLON saays we should not torture. Water boarding, sleep deprevation, load music, panties on heads, female interagators etc. This is NOT torture in the true sense of the word. No one is having the fingers cut off or their heads like what our enemies do to their prisoners. The treatment we give prisoners is far more humane! Nobe of our prisoners leaves in pieces. In fact, many when released return to the battlefield to begin killing our soldiers again!
The enemy we are facing is tough, they want to die for their cause, they are trained to withstand "torture" and are hard as nails. You say do not torture, even though our interagation tatics have revealed valuble information and saved American lives. You have only criticism but, offer no alternatives. Please, do tell, how would you extract information these prisoners have that can save the lives of not only our men and our allies but, the lives of countless innocent people?
How would you get this data; would you simple ask nicelt, pretty please Mr. Islamic terrorist, where are you going to strike next? Be serious, how much information do you think you'll get using your goody two shoes questioning?
Is severly mentally debilitating it causes pychosis. There is no way these two specific actions are not torture. We get information the same way we did in WW2 we convince them WE are right, morally our position is superior. Or we do without. We DONT sell our soul to get information. You still are giving a false dichotomy. You cannot show that the only alternatives are torturing people or getting large numbers of people killed. Torture is evil. We should NOT be doing it period that IS an alternative. As to alternative ways to get that information we do what we have been doing. We got through WW2 without torture and the Nazis were a lot more powerful than a few thousand nutbags in caves. A much larger threat to the world.
Would you consider waterboarding torture if it were done to OUR soldiers? Alexander Solzhenitsin said sleep deprivation rendered all other forms of torture obsolete. They ARE torture. As to what THEY do, that is what THEY do, it defines THEM. If WE want to be a good and just people we have to do what is right all the time even when it comes at a cost, even when it is the hard thing to do. I think it is worth the cost, obviously you dont.
As always, great posts. I couldn't agree more about the political coward remark. I think it goes much deeper though. I've known people like MRFINANCE & REPUBLICHATER. They'll tell you what needs to be done, they'll tell you what they would do if things got tough. To hear them tell it, they're the ultimate badass. But when things are taken out of the theoretical and these types are put in real life and death situations, their actions don't usually match their brave talk.
If they truely believe in this cause, they should not be here stirring the pot, but out trying to enlist their families and friends to go fight "the good fight". Or if they're not too old or too young show us what they're made of. They could actually be that "Army of One".
But you simply prove my point that liberals are cowards. Since you want us to do all the fighting for you. Since you never say YOU are willing to do anything to support the war effort, you expect others to do it for you. There are other ways to show support, one is NOT telling the public that the war is based on lies and our troops are only making things worse by being there. If YOU are serious about supporting the war...show it. Otherwise, I'm not the one "stirring the pot", you are...against our troops. I'm sure they thank you for all your support.
And you can support our troops without supporting the war and this administration. As far as being a coward. I guess you would know. I don't need to prove myself to you or anyone else.
I know first hand how it feels to fight a war and know that there are people back home trying to see that you return as soon as possible. I know what it's like to be in the field knowing that our government lied about the reasons for fighting their war. I know what it's like to be hated by the people you were sent to help. I know this because I've been there. I'm basing my opinion on my experience as a Grunt. On what do you base your opinion?
Experience, too. You aren't the only vet out there.
Brutality junkie. That you love people being killed as long as YOU are safe hiding under your bed saying MOMMY dont let the bad turban guys get me. I can smell your soul rotting through the moniter screen. The war is WRONG. I am under no obligation as an American to support policies I believe to be wrong. I support bringing the troops home so we can actually fight against the tactic of terrorism. YOU support whatever the mindless, braindead, brainwashed zombies like you are told to support. Your brain being incapable of actual functioning can only regurgitate what you are TOLD to think. A pathetic existance. If you are in such a frenzy to fight the war why arent you in Iraq? goarmy.com or STFU
So if I were to grant that sometimes torture works, we still know that a good deal of the time (see: McCain, Maher Arar), it doesn't work, and people will say anything to get it to stop.
So I ask you, have we actually gained anything, given that a good deal of the "information" we get through this will be made-up stories from innocent people who say what their tormenters want to hear?
It doesn't f*cking matter if torture works sometimes. It's evil. And that's what we're supposed to be fighting, not becoming.
You've boiled it down to two words, "I't's evil".
We are better than that, anyone who suggests otherwise, has allowed the terrorists to win. They've become what they fear. It's people like that who've allowed "Proud to be an American" to become an empty phrase.
But it sure looks great on a truck commercial!
I do not agree in the torture of the prisoners by the USA. Now, if they are the throat-slitters I have seen in the Berg videos ect, I could care less if they spend 40 days in torturous pain. I would not torture them for info, I, repeat, I would torture them out of anger. I could care less what anyone else thinks about my doings. I am not one that lives in a picture perfect world. And, I, could care less what you, or anyone else thinks about the matter.
Once again, i do not condon the USA torturing prisoners.
I am not one that lives in a picture perfect world.
And here I was thinking we do live in a picture perfect world.
I aknowlege only a few black and white principles but this is one. Second, it doesnt work consistantly. When McCain was tortured he gave names that consisted of the NY Giants offensive line or something like that. We KNOW that the torture that produced claims of Iraq training al Queda agents in chemical warfare was FALSE, they knew it right away as he was not in a position to know what he claimed to know. He was just telling them what he thought (rightfully) they wanted to hear. So if it is not consistantly useful the fact that it is sometimes useful is not near enough (in my opinion no price would be) to justify losing our very souls and betraying the principles a decent country rightfully espouses and the moral high ground by using torture.
The one man trying to save this (our) country from the onslaught of demoralization.
Weather it be from the Libs, the fema-nazis or the radical homosexuals seeking to further their cause of convincing our children that their unnatural homosexuality is a "normal" lifestyle, he tells it straight and the truth sometimes hurts.
If you can't take it, I suggest you tune elsewhere on the dial, perhaps Air America is more to your liking. Or maybe you could just watch Aljazeera and root for the muslims to take over the world, thus destroying first all the homos and liberated females that refuse to convert and wear a burka.
Praying to Jesus Christ that America will return to its former morality and greatness of the past and not continue to slowly burn due to uneducated and ignorant people not supporting the few righteous people left defending this great country we call the United States of America.
The Four Horsemen of MMFA are gonna come at you now, and they're gonna outdo Savage @ callin' you hateful names, hear me now. It's irreverent for you to talk like that on this site, and you betta get ready for some of the most righteous indignation ya evah heard from the tolerant and compassionate Left.
He tosses OUT the insults he gets them back. How hard is it to understand that is not the same as slandering huge groups of people to an audience of several hundred thousand? I wouldnt say the same things to the group of conservatives to a National audience that I would say to a specific conservative that is insulting me and those like me. Logic 101 try it sometime
Thanks for the laugh!
"The one man trying to save this (our) country from the onslaught of demoralization."
Hmm. Doesn't your faith teach that one day Jesus will come, and that following the Rapture and Tribulation the Earth will be remade? If you believe that, why worry?
Even so, while there's nothing wrong with traditional values, there is something very wrong with anyone who advocates genocide, racism, and "purging" those with different views. If these are the 'traditional values' you and your ilk refer to, then I'll gladly keep what we currently have.
"Weather [sic] it be from the Libs, the fema-nazis or the radical homosexuals seeking to further their cause of convincing our children that their unnatural homosexuality is a "normal" lifestyle, he tells it straight and the truth sometimes hurts."
It must be tough to be so completely surrounded by enemies. You've got an over-developed sense of persecution, and possibly a touch of paranoia.
"...thus destroying first all the homos and liberated females that refuse to convert and wear a burka."
Wait a minute. If you hate "homos" and "liberated females" so much, isn't this exactly what you'd like to see happen? With the exception of the conversion and burka thing, of course.
Somehow I fail to see the difference between what they want and what you want.
"Praying to Jesus Christ that America will return to its former morality and greatness of the past and not continue to slowly burn due to uneducated and ignorant people not supporting the few righteous people left defending this great country we call the United States of America."
Yes, this is a great country. It is a country founded on the notion that all people were created equal, and that they have the same fundamental right to live, have liberty, and pursue happiness. We have freedom of religion, speech, and of the press, the right to be secure in our persons and homes, and to bear arms.
Yes, that means I support your right to say what you say even if I don't agree with it, and I support your right to believe in your myths and worship them as you please. However, I have the right to say what I like as well and expect you to respect that. I also have the right to be free from your religion, and expect you to keep it out of my government and my house.
This country was NOT founded on the principle that all people should think alike, worship the same god, or squash anyone who believes, thinks, or lives differently. Having taken the oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic many times during my tenure as a soldier and airman, I think I can discern who the enemy is.
" However, I have the right to say what I like as well and expect you to respect that. I also have the right to be free from your religion, and expect you to keep it out of my government and my house. "
No one has to "respect" what you say, only that you have a right to say it. And everyone else has the "right" to be free from your non-religion and expect you to keep it out of my government and my house. No one should be forced into non-religion based on your belief that religion is bad.
" This country was NOT founded on the principle that all people should think alike, worship the same god, or squash anyone who believes, thinks, or lives differently. "
Where, oh where, does any government proclamation determin YOU are to worship "the same God"?? When does the constitution or any other decree say you are required to believe in the same God as everyone else? Oh, wait, don't many (who believe in a God) believe in different versions?? There is no government forcing religion down anyones throat just because the founders believed in a God.
What morality and greatness? We shot our way into this continent, through this continent, and past this continent a century ago. We've always been shooting at someone..first Indians, then Canadians, then Indians again, then Mexicans, then more Indians, then we shot at each other while shooting at Indians. When we ran out of Indians to shoot, we shot at the Spanish, then the Filipinos and some Chinese and Koreans, and then the Moros. Shot at the Germans a bit then went back to shooting Nicaraguans, Haitians, and Dominicans. Even fought a little war with West Virginia in there. Then the Japanese shot at us and the Germans said they wanted to, so we shot at them for a bit. Then we shot at Koreans and Chinese again. Then there was a lull where we kept trying to get the Russians to shoot at us. Then we shot up Vietnam for ten long years of pointlessness and blew up some Cambodians and Laotians. Then we paid people to shoot at people for us in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Iraq and Chile. We shot at the Lebanese and at the Grenadese. Then we shot at Iraqis and Panamanians and Somalis. Kept shooting at Iraqis, we liked that, still doing it. Blew up Serbs and Kosovars and Afghans. We fund Israel so they can shoot at Palestinians, Lebanese, and occassionally Syria. Britian's joined us in our shooting spree now too. But then they always liked to shoot at natives too.
That's US military history 1782 - 2006 in a nutshell. War-loving little bastards, aren't we? Douglas Adams summed it up best, I think..."America is like a belligerent adolescent boy." We always have to find someone to war with or we're just not happy. Personally, I think it's time this nation grew up and stopped killing people as the national pasttime.
That is the level of ignorance I expect from anyone who takes the Psychpath Wiener seriously. Yeah, eschewing all standards of morality is the way back to morality for everyone. Psycho Wiener who advocated killing one hundred million Muslims wouldnt know morality if it kicked down his door sat at his table and ate his breakfast. Niether would you. Your posts indicate its time to increase your medication. Or pehaps return to Camarillo for a tune up of your severly damages Psyche. It is morons like you that advocate betraying the principles that this country was built on to "bring morality back to America" as if that would make sense that will destroy our country. Without a sense that we are a good people we will have no willingness to make the hard sacrifices a nation will need to survive in the future.
I know that to you chanting our name is the same as patriotism. That is stupidity. Upholding just principles and moral standards means nothing when its easy. It is when it is hard and there is a price to be paid for doing so that it is most important. I get that cowards like you only want to uphold easy principles. That when the going is tough that is time to toss out the high moral standards because you are a coward and its scary out there. Luckily morons like you are in the minority. Most know that Wiener is a nutbag. So are you.
Savage is crazy. He sounds like Robertson. They both need a lobotomy.
Thursday, September 28, 2006
Media Matters a Good Deal
Most assume [by all accounts] Murdoch, Fox, the Mad Factor [O'Really], Savage and the like, are off-the-chain. They are not, verily. These are dangerous times and the likeminded as mentioned trade in the currency of fear, spin, and fulsome profit. They are self-serving and desperate. They lie and lie and lie. They are popular and streetwise: they have a mouth, the means, and the mind. Their product is garbage and would have the jaws of the human condition gnaw on its own gut and spit hairballs [see the movie] if not for the stanch of sense and informed opinion found in places like this. Thank you.
Appreciation Note: Eric/s, Max, Darrin, everyone in the "Media Matters" outback— for a work in progress— great job!
Special thanks Andrew—
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Had more on the ball and was saner than Psych-Wiener. The average ball of lint knows more about morality and foriegn policy. The average al Queda member is less bloodthirsty and Psychotic than the Savage-Psycho-Wiener
and a mental picture of Senators Kennedy, Kerry, Lieberman, Chaffee and Brownback came into view, wearing dresses. That aside, Savage, what an idiot!!