On MSNBC's Tucker, radio host Mark Williams claimed "people have made up their mind" that voting Democratic "hastens the day we disappear in a nuclear holocaust"
On the September 26 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, radio host Mark Williams asserted that "people have made up their minds ... that if we vote Democrat, that just hastens the day we disappear in a nuclear holocaust," and that "re-arguing and re-arguing and re-arguing about how [U.S. soldiers] got [to Iraq] is not only pointless but is going to get them killed." Williams also baselessly claimed that "people" were receiving a "reward" for leaking parts of an April National Intelligence Estimate that found that the war in Iraq is fueling global terrorism. Williams then asked: "How many new Lexuses are driving around Capitol Hill as a result of this one?"
As Media Matters for America has noted, on the August 22, 2005, edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Williams "re-argu[ed]" the reason why U.S. troops are in Iraq. Responding to FBI whistleblower and Minnesota Democratic congressional candidate Colleen Rowley's statement that the "weapons of mass destruction arguments" used to promote the Iraq war "were very misleading, false and deceptive," Williams said that Rowley should "tell [that to] the 300,000 victims of Saddam's chemical weapons." But the CIA's Iraq Survey Group concluded that, at the time of the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, Saddam Hussein did not possess chemical weapons stockpiles -- contrary to claims made by the administration to build support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
From the September 26 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:
TUCKER CARLSON (host): Let me just apologize -- by the way, you can probably hear the noise in the background. [Actor] Erik Estrada -- I'm in Los Angeles -- has pulled up his motorcycle right outside our camera position, is revving the engine; it's very annoying and I -- I'm trying to get him to stop, but he won't.
Mark, I'm wondering though, I mean, [Congressional Quarterly columnist] A.B. [Stoddard] has, I think, a very smart point that people have kind of chosen sides on Iraq -- but doesn't this get to the core of the Bush administration's appeal? People are voting for Bush because, as A.B. said, and I think she's right, they're afraid. They think Republicans will protect them. If it -- Bush's own government is saying, "Actually, you're making it more dangerous for us." Doesn't that hurt him?
WILLIAMS: Well, Tucker, isn't it patently absurd to -- to -- to say something like that and -- and pull that one line out of this report? I mean, that's like saying police cause crime. Because when you go after criminals, the criminals adjust their tactics. Anybody who thinks that you fight a war and the other side is going to go, "Oh, sorry, you're here, I'll give up," they're out of their minds.
When we see the whole report, we'll know what's in there, and we'll know that it all makes perfect sense. We went after the bad guys. The bad guys come back at us, we have to go around and kill them. And -- and, you're right, though, that people have made up their minds. They know that if we vote Democrat, that just hastens the day we disappear in a nuclear holocaust. People have made up their mind about Iraq. They know that we have 140,000, 130,000 men and women there now. They're to be supported -- and that re-arguing and re-arguing and re-arguing how they got there is not only pointless but is going to get them killed.
CARLSON: But -- you know, you may be right in some sense, but this is not just partisan bickering here. I mean, the administration is finding -- well, there is this kind of left-wing element within the CIA and NSA [National Security Agency] and maybe the Defense Intelligence Agency and other parts of the government, and they are kind of trying to torpedo our efforts in Iraq.
WILLIAMS: Yeah.
CARLSON: But these are still people who work for the president. They're executive branch employees. They're not DNC [Democratic National Committee] staffers. I mean, these are people who work for the U.S. government.
STODDARD: But Tucker --
WILLIAMS: There's no -- you know, there's no --
STODDARD: But Tucker --
WILLIAMS: There's no litmus test for ideological purity or loyalty to the man who happens to hold the office to work in the executive branch.
CARLSON: No, I know, but they're harder to dismiss, are they not?
WILLIAMS: Well, yeah, but you got people in a political season plucking individual pieces out of a classified report, feeding it their friends in the media for who knows what reward. How many new Lexuses are driving around Capitol Hill as a result of this one?
CARLSON: Oh, come on. A.B., did you get a new Lexus?
WILLIAMS: I mean, come on, that's the way it's done, you know, Tucker.
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These people are pathetic...and even more pathetic are the simpletons who believe this crap.
I just love the "it-doesn't-matter-how-we-got-into-Iraq" dodge. It's like a drunk driver insisting that it doesn't matter how he happened to run over the kid on the tricycle.
A for the "nuclear holocaust" nonsense, I'd say the current crop of reactionary fascists now in power are far more likely to take us down that road.
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
he means people like himself. The gullible and cowardly.
If it was a Gear novel, it'd be People of the Weasel.
First of all, it's absurd that a news network gives an idiot like Williams any airtime at all.
Then Tuckie says: "...well, there is this kind of left-wing element within the CIA and NSA [National Security Agency] and maybe the Defense Intelligence Agency and other parts of the government, and they are kind of trying to torpedo our efforts in Iraq."
And people like Tuckie make fun of Clinton for talking about conspiracies? What a complete fool.
The CIA is now the enemy, because it doesn't agree with the Neo Clowns? This attempt to smear the CIA goes back to before the Iraq War, and has Karl Rove's fingerprints all over it. Laurie Mylroie was one of the great cheerleaders for going after Saddam, and she wrote a book before the war called "Bush vs. the Beltway : How the CIA and the State Department Tried to Stop the War on Terror ". Of course, everything she wrote turned out to be bullsh*t, but the fact that she thought the CIA and State Department were dragging their feet pretty much puts the lie to Bush's claim that "everybody believed" that Saddam was a threat. Of course she hasn't been seen or heard from on the talk shows lately, and I doubt if you'll be able to find a copy of her book in any bookstore, though Amazon.com still lists it in limited quantities.
WILLIAMS: There's no litmus test for ideological purity or loyalty to the man who happens to hold the office to work in the executive branch.
Um... unless they're also after a juicy contract for work in Iraq.
I don't understand this logic. Basically, the right wing argument is that the Iraq war has not done anything to create more terrorists or strengthen the terrorists in their resolve against the US. They argue that terrorists were killing us before the war and that they would continue killing us regardless what we did. How then can opposition to the war get more US soldiers killed?
But this entire story is incredible. Here's Tucker Carlson accusing elements in the CIA, the NSA, the Pentagon and "other parts of the government... trying to torpedoe our efforts in Iraq." And then there's Mark Williams accusing people in the government of selling classified information to the media and now driving Lexus automobiles as a result of their treason.
This really make sme want to stop watching political talk shows altogether. The bullsh*t has reached an unbelievable level.
You can see the rise of anti-US sentiments under Bush most starkly in non-Arab countries such as Turkey and Indonesia which used to like us, believe it or not. In 2002, 52 percent of Turks had a favorable view of the US. In 2006, 12 percent of Turks have a favorable view of the US. In 2000, 75 percent of Indonesians had a favorable view of the US. In 2006, 30 percent of Indonesians have a favorable view of the US. Even in major European countries such as France, Germany, Spain and the UK, Bush has cut the approval rating for the US in half or nearly so. Isn't that a bad sign, when the publics in our NATO allies rethink their view of us so radically? Won't we need the support of those publics at some point? Bush by his Iraq misadventure has made us hated in much of the world, and especially in the Muslim world. Communist China is now widely viewed as mush less dangerous than the democratic United States. Don't you think that might turn into actual consequences?
I thought the religious right expected Replubicans to bring on armaggedon and the rapture? Democrats are supposed to believe in evilution and make reality based decisions. I hate these mixed messages. Or is this a new message that dems are tough on armaggedon? What I am worried about is that it will be the 12th Imam instead of Jesus. No worry though, Moqtada al Sadr recently gave a speech explaining that the US DOD has a enormous file on the Imam. Its complete save for a photograph. We also have a rapid reaction force in case he does appear. Hah we have out fanaticalled (new word) the fanatical at last. Bet they dont have a force to take out Jesus. And of course Jesus was smart enough to have many different likenesses of himself out there to confuse the...mmm what are you supposed to call the non believers? The non sheep, the non adherents to authoritarian nut jobs, realists, non-literalists, I just dont know.
Looks like the fundamentalist Christians are backing the wrong horse according to Carlson.
Maybe Democrats could use that as an example to make some electoral in-roads with the in-breds.
But then again. Who really wants their votes?
spare me that crapola and fear-mongering about "nukuler" holocaust just because Dems don't have the cajones. When are these chumps going to just admit that they're WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...
are the nimrod death junkies who keep trying to convince the realists that Iraq was somehow a threat to you and I. How many reasons have we been given in an effort to justify the insanity that is the Bush foreign policy? WMD, domino democracy, fight them over there..., Saadam is a murderous loon. Just who is basing their arguments on shifting sands?
Speaking of our exhausted and abused soldiers Carlson and Williams do not deserve to smell their sh*t. Bring our sons, daughters, brothers and sisters home.
*April National Intelligence Estimate found that the war in Iraq is fueling global terrorism.*
Seems to me MANY of us here have been saying THAT for quite awhile.
Seems to me MOST intelligent people everywhere could figure THIS out by just reading/watching the news.
It can hardly can be classified as a "leak" when it's already common knowledge. ;-)
I see, nuke-em logic of the "Post Commie Scare Era" from the Republican Fear Merchants. We don't worry about the Soviets, and Cubans the way we used too, so now let’s create a whole new threat through stupid, belligerent, and militaristic provocation, and we'll be in power forever.
Fascism!!! American Fascism!! The new mouth pieces of the ruling class shall speak to us to say if we stand up for our rights, our liberties, our democracy, we'll die in a nuclear holocaust!! Wasn’t it Fascism that evolved into THE LAST HOLOCAUST!!
Coming for a freak of religious perverted logic like those who elected this administration, rapture appears to be their agenda.
Happy Thoughts;
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Notice how he’s more worried about his political cronies image than dealing with the realities of the facts and failures being discovered via NIE.
How many Lexuses are driving around Capitol Hill from leaking? As many as it takes asswipe to shine the light of accountability and truth brother. Were paying for this report card with blood and taxes, whats a few cars in the mix to see the coming attractions.
He had this guy on his Worst Person in the World!
I salute him for this segment and his respect for this site
I know it says 3 on 3 at the bottom of the screen, but it's always a 2 conservatives versus 1 liberal format. This Williams guy only talks tough because he knows Tucker has his back and will agree with everything he says. Republicans can't run on their record because they have been a disaster, so they resort to "vote for us or you're all gonna die." It's really pathetic, but like always it'll work.