Savage: Congressman swearing on Quran represents "the tyranny of the psycho, whacked-out minority"
On the November 28 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show The Savage Nation, host Michael Savage compared reports that incoming Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) "won't swear to uphold the oath of office on the Bible, but on the Quran instead" to "[a] witch get[ting] elected" and saying "she's gonna only be sworn in with her hand over a pentagram." Savage called Ellison's reported decision to be sworn in with a Quran "the tyranny of the psycho, whacked-out minority."
It in unclear what Ellison was referring to when he said, as reported in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, that he would "take the oath of office in Washington on the Qur'an." As the weblog Think Progress reported, "neither the Christian Bible, nor any other religious text, ha[s] ever been used in an official capacity during the ceremony," although "[o]ccasionally, Members pose for symbolic photo-ops with their hand on a Bible." And Article VI of the Constitution states that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Think Progress was responding to a November 28 Townhall.com column in which radio host Dennis Prager argued that Ellison "should not be allowed to" swear on the Quran "because the act undermines American civilization."
From the November 28 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Keith Ellison won't swear to uphold the oath of office on the Bible, but on the Quran instead. This is unbelievable to me. So what's next? A witch gets elected, and she says she's gonna only be sworn in with her hand over a pentagram? Where does this end? Tell me when this ends, the tyranny of the psycho, whacked-out minority. Tell me when it ends.
That's exactly what I think every time I hear Little Wiener go off on one of his nonsensical rants . . .
P.S - Hey Little Wiener, can you explain to me how can a "psycho, whacked-out" MINORITY have enough power to be a TYRANNY?
pretty much defines the terms whacked out, psycho and tyrranous, that in itself puts everything he says into the category of Psychotic ramblings.
What's the point of Keith Ellison, or anyone, taking an oath on a book that means nothing to him?
Idiotic.
" What's the point of ......, taking an oath on a book that means nothing to him? "
Isn't that the same arguement made by atheists to prevent themselves from putting their hands on the Bible while being sworn in at a court hearing? What other method do you advocate to provide some sort of belief that the person is telling the truth?
I didn't know that muslims believe that their God is different than the Christian God, so why can't they swear in on the Bible? It IS the God they are swearing to, and not the book, right?? Or, are you saying they can use a copy of 'green eggs and ham' to get sworn in on, if they "choose" to? (that's my favorite book) lol
Oooops, to be "constitutionally correct" please insert "creator" into each spot "God" is used.
Allah is the God of the Bible. You miscast the question. Since it is a question about the free expression of religion. Even IF congressmen did swear oaths on the bible, why SHOULDNT a Muslim be able to swear on the Koran instead in keeping with the free expression of HIS religion? What exactly is the rationale for telling him to do so represents some kind of tyranny as the dumb as dirt Hannity suggests. How is it tyrranous for HIM to freely express HIS religion? THAT is the point. Since he isnt demanding EVERYONE swear on the Koran Hannity makes no sense whatsoever.
If the bible contains the new testament, do Jews who swear on it only have to uphold half their oath?
All of congress could swear on a copy of the May 1973 Penthouse, and it would have the same effect as swearing on the bible. Really wanna know when it ends? It ends when the superstitious quit thinking that holding their hand on a book somehow makes their oath sacrosanct. Of course, those of Weiner's ilk are far too intellectually vacuuous to ever recognize that. Apparently, reality is "unbelievable" to him.
How does swearing the oath of office on a religion you don't believe in somehow better than swearing the oath on one you do believe in? Wouldn't doing the former call into question your ethics?
How does this make republicans the big tent party? They don't want gays, they don't want any religion other than theirs, they don't want non republicans in office, they don't want anyone who's skin color is different in a position of authority, etc. etc. etc. There must be a lot of wind blowing in that big tent....
time after time that the republican put people of color in real power positions while Clinton, Gore and Kerry shun minorities.
It's only been proven time after time that Republicans appoint those people to positions of power, Dems actually run them and let the people decide. Besides O. Snow, can you name 5 minority republicans that were voted into office?
Thats why a Black Woman RAN Gores campaign for president. You really live in your own little world dont you. Or are you just being a troll, I mean even YOU with your low delusion threshold cant seriously believe that.
People, please do not continue to respond to Leatherbrain's post.
Don't you see that he's trying to change the subject? The issue before us is the bilgewater vomited up by Michael Savage. Let's try to keep from getting diverted by the wingnuts this time.
that Leatherhelmet is sweet-tempered, rational, and bursting with intellect.
But what would be the problem with a Wicken not wanting to swear on a bible, or a jew, or a buddhist, etc. What a jerk this guy is.
Isn't that what we've pretty much had for the past six years???
Lefties get bent out of shape if there is a bible in the room but everything is hunky dory if there's a koran there.
Is another of your posts with no connection whatsoever with reality
The more books in the room the better. The bible is a pretty good book. But then so are "The Grapes of Wrath" and "The Art of War". These books contain many truths as well as some soothing passages and dire warnings. Take what you will from them.
I'm sure that the Quran is also a good read although I haven't read it, yet. I'd suggest that you get to know a few liberals, Leather. You'd be surprised that we're not all Satan worshippers who crawl around on our bellies.
Dont forget "What a long strange trip it's been"...
Are you one of Jerry's kids?
I would love for you to answer this honestly: was your above post a true representation of your opinion, or are you intentionally saying something outlandish to rile everyone up for your own pleasure.
I ask because your statement is just plain stupid. I have never heard a liberal here or elsewhere complain about Christians swearing on the bible, but we are talking here about a conservative complaining about non-Christians swearing on their appropriate book of worship. It is for that reason that your post is the opposite of reality and farcical.
You want to have a Bible quiz contest? You're a dead man if you accept.
Not only do I not have a problem with a Bible being in a room, I've read and believe every word of it. Can you honestly say the same?
Question: how does a liberal who says they've read and believe the entire Bible correlate his stance on abortion and homosexuality with Biblical teachings?
Answer: They don't follow their religous beliefs, they do what they are told by their political leadership.
Selling your children into slavery as is legal according to Exodus or stoning to death those who plant two types of crops next to each other or sewing cloth with two types of thread? Executing those who make graven images? Show me again where Abortion is mentioned in the Bible, oh thats right it isnt. You dont eat pork or shellfish or crustaceans? Get a grip YOUR interpretations of the bible arent the only ones that exist and you even THINK what your masters tell you to parrot.
Lefty owns several bibles. I could probably put one in almost every room. I inherited a couple from my Mom when she died and we already had several. I often give Bibles to relatives as Christmas gifts, I particularly like giving them as first bibles to the young people in my family and I'll buy large print bibles for my love ones when they grow old. I said all this to say shut up and as usual you don't know what you're talking about. Oh yeah and I fully support the congressman's right to swear on the Quran if he chooses to.
"Lefties" don 't get bent out of shape about the Bible Leatherhelmet. What gets us bent out of shape is when people like Savage and you, among others throw the Bible as well as the Flag in our faces usually while while your screaming at us incoherentlyor calling us Un-American, Whackos or other useful terms. Last I checked, freedom of Religious Expression was still a guareented right under the Constitution. FOR ALL AMERICANS !!
Even an idiot, as Michael the Savage shows, can spew non-sensical garbage on the airwaves for hours on end. Let's make almost everybody happy and use the Collegiate Dictionary (latest edition) for all oaths, after all it should contain all the words found in the tomes mentioned above.
they swear on the constitution. That would be the most appropriate. I think every elected official should learn from Robert Byrd and carry around a small copy everywhere they go and, hopefully, have it so worn out from overuse like his.
What do we need to do to get a law enacted? I own several pocket sized copies and I try to keep one close at hand most of the time.
Elect me to Congress. Let's see if I take an oath on a pentagram. Although the Penthouse idea sounds pretty good to me as well.
dog-catcher, he'd have to be sworn in by placing his hand on a big steaming pile of bulls#@t.
..think the image they decided to include with the Townhall.com article is a bit, well.. let me put it this way..
"A liberal Democratic Muslim wants to swear on the Qur'an. Oh, and here's a picture of a woman in a near burqua holding the Qur'an at a Hamas rally against Israeli troops."
Imagine if you will that this hooplah was not about a Muslim, but a Jew; the book the Torah, not the Qur'an. Do you think it would go over well with folks at the ADL if they included this image and included a caption like: "A 19-year old Swedish human rights worker had her cheekbone broken by a Jewish extremist in Hebron today. Earlier the same day at least five Palestinians, including a 3-year-old child, were injured by the settler-supporting extremists, who rampaged through Tel Rumeida hurling stones and bottles at local residents. Palestinian schoolchildren on their way home were also attacked. The Israeli army, which was intensively deployed in the area, did not intervene to stop the attacks."
The intention of the article is quite clear. It's not just about "American values", it's about scaring people.
The same day that Michael talks about something very thought provoking, MM manages to pick out a little clip from the other day which in my opinion was a legitimate observation. I'll bet MM won't post anything Michael talked about today dealing with the supernatural. He put out a question asking if anyone had had a religious/supernatural experience at any time of their lives that changed their lives forever. He said he is not afraid to talk about these particular topics because he's had them and talked about it. Do you think tonight or tomorrow MM will put any of that up? I think not.
Was his supernatural experience God appearing to him and smacking him across the face for all the hate-filled garbage he spews on the airwaves everyday? I don't care if he did a whole show on puppies and lollipops, he is still a sad, pathetic, racist, hateful a-hole.
I would guess the answer to your question would depend on whether he offends the truth egregiously in a political way, and thus requires correction - something about the mission statement of this site. If not, you would prove right: MMFA will ignore him, as most often we all should.
On what planet does it make sense that if you are sensible some of the time it is ok to be insane other times? I heard Jeffery Daumer was good to his mother, I guess that means we should have overlooked that little cannibalism thing. Hey Mrs Lincoln other than that unfortunate incident where your husband got shot in the head wasnt it a good play?
That you said he made a legitimate observation, Exactly what would that be that actually taking the free expression of religion seriously is "the tyranny of the psycho, whacked-out minority". I guess the free expression of religion means you are free to express the religion YOU and insane nutbag Savage approve of. No he didnt make a legitimate observation he indulged in his usual insane rantings.
MM manages to pick out a little clip from the other day which in my opinion was a legitimate observation.
Care to expand on this?
making it a self-reinforcing conservative fundamentalist clusterf**k.
Should I be surprised that Savage is good at that?
From where did you inhert the shape of your nose man?Savage is 6 letters word and vulgar is also 6 letters word.I bet his moma was living beside a temple or any reliogious structurs similar and had exposed to religious radiations of hates and hoplessness.A mental hospital not a Radio stations is the place where he have to be living in. Lithium can help Savages believe me.
Solon,
Is that you under a new screen name?
other nick. You ARE Bill O'falafel though right?
*COUGH*tommy*COUGH*
Tommy is more intelligent and consistent than this guy. They are both very argumentative, though.
The item above stated that according to Article VI of the constitution, Rep. Ellison doesn't have to swear on ANY holy book, Savage's hyperbole is unnecessary. But it does display a disturbing pattern. On the one hand you have the administration spewing soundbites to the muslim world claiming that the war on (of) terrorism isn't a war against Islam, and yet you have supporterse such as Savage inciting anti-Islamic feeling among those americans (his listeners) who decimal points in front of their IQs.
WOOO-HOOO! Eloquence is the essence of a good closing statement!
Even for a Savage thread...this one is getting strange.
until you showed up.
I think Savage may be an "America hater". He seems to dislike our Republic because of it's inherent protections for minorities from being oppressed by the majority.
Anyone remember our founding fathers declaring a purpose of the constitution was both to protect the majority from tyranny by a minority AND to protect a minority from tyranny by the majority?
The christian right can't seem to remember the second half of the sentence.
I swear that's what it comes down to, you're hell bent on destroying everything that represents or has anything to do with American heritage or it's long held customs. We have established laws, observances, and practices. The majority of us like it that way.
The poster refers to one of the most cherished American principles, expounded by our Founding Fathers, and you turn that into "liberals trying to destroy traditions."
How about Thanksgiving? Oh, that's right, it was your side that relegated that great american tradition to the dustbin of history so you could start promoting christmas in October. Maybe Holloween? Again, your side wants to end that tradition because you think it somehow promotes satanism. Seems to me every great american tradition that has been minimized or eliminated has the heavy smell of reichwing christianity behind the effort.
For most of our history, we've denied civil rights to minorities.
For most of our history we've denied women the right to vote.
What the hell are you talking about?
...he means the American tradition of WASP totalitarian rule. You know, "the good ol' days."
We DO have established laws and practices. For instance, oh I dont know. FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Which by any reasonable standards would include taking an oath on the Sacred Book of whatever faith YOU believe in. The question isnt why Liberals want to destroy American heritage its why do conservatives without any ability to understand the concept of what Freedom is, want to destroy American VALUES. Why do you guys hate the Bill of Rights. What is it about Freedom that scares the little guy inside of you? THOSE are the questions. Feel free to attempt an answer
Maybe you should go back and read (I would say reread but you have proven that you haven't read) just a couple of items from the past that established this country of ours (not yours, but ours). The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. Along with that read the Federalist Papers. I think if you read the Federalists papers specifically that as a the poster before you stated that this government was set up to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.
You really need to take some history lessons if you think protecting the rights of minorities in this country is a new, liberal thing just to annoy you.
I'm not going to put my hand on a bible, a quran or even a pentagram. I'm going to put my hand on the Flying Spaghetti monster! Since when does swearing on a holy book prove that elected officials won't be corrupt lying douchebags? Just like Bush swore to uphold the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, then did his best to circumvent and destroy it for his own benefit. Turns out HE IS the enemy.
I don't think thats possible. I think you would have to swear on The Book of The Flying Spaghetti Monster...Or put your hand in a bowl of spaghetti.
swear while singing "On top of spaghetti, all covered with cheese..."
Chef boy Ardee
when Michael Savage takes the dirt nap.
Have all missed it.
When they do the actual swearing in, nobody, repeat, nobody puts their hand on a Bible, a Quaran, a Torah, or anything else for that matter. They all stand in the House chamber, and all take the oath of office together. Later, they do a photo op with maybe the Speaker or their party leaders with their hand on some sort of religious text, but the real oath, not taken with Bible or other book in hand at all.
I did hear this talked about on all the usual suspects yesterday though. Boortz, Savage, Rush, et all. Everyone is so incensed that he is taking his oath on a Quran. What a bunch of bully this all is.
9/11 caused them to hate all Muslims. It really is that simple.
9/11 caused them to hate all Muslims. It really is that simple.
That can't be right, because they keep saying 9/11 changed everything, and I'm pretty sure they all hated Muslims well before then.
They should flush the koran down the toilet just like any other peice of sh*t. We will kill all of those infidels. Then we go after the liberals.
You'll be in for a big surprise.
As Rusty said, methinks you'd be surprised indeed if you "went after liberals" like you say you want to. Methinks someone would come up really short, as most liberals I know, although not violent people, can kick some serious arse when called upon. Hell, the 2 guys I know that are Delta are registered democrats, and think Bush is probably the biggest idiot they have ever seen. And since most conservatives making all the noise these days (Savage included) are all about talking about fighting, and talking a very good game, hardly any of them have served in combat, and never would because they're chickenhawks. Hell, Bush was a cheerleader. Not sure how much less "manly" someone can be, and unfortunately, he's been trying to make up for that ever since.
You guys all talk a good game, but most of you are cheap, lowlife punks.
Most of the conservatives I've known sat on their asses, while, the liberals went off to war.
Take your medication like a good little boy. I see that round shiny thing scared you so you are back in your mommys basement giving in to those delusions of adequacy. If you want to be a troll that actually LASTS you have to do better. This kind of mind boggling ignorance will only get you banned. We are enjoying the amusement caused by your monumental inanity so try to stick around. Better start saving those pennies though because eventually someone as dumb as you will have to hire someone to remind you to breathe.
but I can't since I'm on probation (I'm new). Would someone please do me a favor and flag it? Thanks ever so much.
Rex Kwon Do has cut and run.
Bring a ladder.
After all, that's his base ;-)
Jowever, he deserves,oh, maybe half a point for ruminating avout the hypothetical election of a witch without following it up with a cheap shot at Hillary Rodham Clinton or his own Representative, Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Same book, same lies, same idiots defending the lies. Yeah, sure, I'm offending all these 'world religions', institutions of lies. Mankind has never gotten any proof about the existence of God, let alone that there be only one... deal with it please, and stop trying to convert us, wonderers. Take a few lessons from Buddhism, which is NOT a religion, mkay?
who was Japanese, gave me a subscription to a Budhist periodical that I followed with interest for about a year, some fifteen or twenty years back. It noted the distinction between ancient Budhist beliefs and those of the newer Western form, which is pretty much a secular philophy, much like Unitarianism. The old form was complete with good spirits, bad spirits, devils and angels and had striking comparisons to what we find when we actually read the Old Testament. There's a lot about this on the web, google it in and you'll see.
He's comparing Islam to witchcraft?
How can the Swine man call us at Media Matters Swine!? was he thinking about himself looking in a mirror?!This animal place is not on USA airwaves his place is in a stable or mental hospita!He even surpassed radical Al Queida in their vulgarity and no sense talks.Again people have to contact this swine's master and let them know that they are losing by keeping a loser in this place.His nose like a pig's nose and if you don't believe me look at it again!
Please stop insulting pigs.
I guess he hasn't looked in the mirror recently.