Carlson likes "a tiny bit of BS" from the president
On the December 20 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson said "I like a tiny bit of BS" from the president on the Iraq war even though "I know nobody agrees with me." Carlson also claimed that President Bush has a "kind of Teddy Rooseveltian way" because Bush claims that he is "the guy who knows the deep truth, and the deep truth is victory" and suggests that people should not "believe what your eyes tell you."
As Media Matters for America noted, on October 23, in discussing the Pentagon's initial cover-up of the cause of the death of former pro football player and Army Ranger Pat Tillman, Carlson said that "[t]elling the truth actually is difficult. Look, let me speak on behalf of anyone who has ever told a lie. Telling the truth is really hard."
However, Carlson also expressed the opposite viewpoint about whether the president ought to tell the truth when he claimed on July 10 that "Bush's bravado is the best thing about him" because "[t]elling the truth is exactly what's needed around the world," as noted by Media Matters.
From the December 20 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:
MICHAEL CROWLEY (senior editor at The New Republic): It just makes me very uncomfortable -- can I just say one quick thing -- I don't want to be glib about such an important subject. But as far as Bush admitting we're not winning, he was starting to look like that guy -- remember Baghdad Bob, who said, you know, the sands of Iraq are soaked with the blood of Americans. You know, this was as the Marines were rolling into Baghdad. I mean, Bush was -- Bush could not maintain the state of denial anymore and fiction. I mean, I think -- it's what everyone knows, and at some point, the president has to seem like he knows what's going on.
CARLSON: Well, I don't know. I disagree. I mean, I hate the war passionately, but I like that about Bush. I like the fact that he was in this kind of Teddy Rooseveltian way. You know what I mean? Almost like you don't believe what your eyes tell you. I'm the guy who knows the deep truth, and the deep truth is victory. I mean, I think it's important -- I mean, failure is so scary.
MARK McKINNON (former media adviser to President Bush): Yeah, and it's not an option, and it just can't be. And so, he's committed to finding and securing a way forward that amends the strategy and is doing that now. But failure is not an option, as he said, and it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be communicated that way from the president of the United States.
CARLSON: I like a tiny bit of BS. I know nobody agrees with me.
Now all I can think about is Carlson and Bush in a bad German porn video.
. . . and if such a video existed . . . would it be called "Tucked in the Bush"?
"Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies"
It's no surprise to me that Tucker likes bullscat.
All mushrooms like it.
Bush produces more BS than a Montana Cattle Ranch. Hardly a little bit, so you must be dissapointed or enjoying rolling around like a pig in it.
I suspect the latter despite your protests.
[link to mediamatters.org]
This guy hates "truth", it makes his tummy hurt.
Tucker likes a little BS now and then, so? That's his prerogative, at least he admits it. The only reason this thread is up here is to lob insults at him. No misinformation, no misleading conservative talking points, no conservative twisting facts, not even a conservative using offensive language towards the left..........Oh well, a Christmas gift, apparently.
The point might be made that someone who "likes a little bs" now and then from his elected officials should not be placed in a position of perceived credibility on a cable news channel. Granted, the statement is not misinformation. But couldn't it possibly be argued that this is expository journalism? Perhaps people SHOULD know how this particular talking head feels about the truth in his heart of hearts and use that information to evaluate the other things he says.
"..............someone who "likes a little bs" now and then from his elected officials should not be placed in a position of perceived credibility on a cable news channel".
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That is up to the management of MSNBC. You can choose to watch it or not.
and, knowing what i know about the guy, i choose not to. i just think it might be useful for people who DO choose to watch the show to know the journalistic leanings of it's host. that's where i see this post as useful
Whatever she chooses to do is irrelevant. What MSNBC does is irrelevant. It obviously DOES go to his credibility that he admits he believes Bush lies to him, WELCOMES IT, and still reports what he says as IF it were relevant to reality. Does he mean he LIKES being lied to so he can shill with a lighter concience? After this statement how can ANYONE take anything he says about the administration seriously?
I can't wait for the day I have hours to sit down and 'debate' with you, Tommy, because I've been reading your last days posts and for the most part, they drive me nuts...I'll catch you another day, sandpiper...
Let me know when that "debate" between you and I is scheduled. I want to make sure I don't forget my pail and shovel.
oh the hate
This is a bit of cheerleading for Bush. Not to mention, the 'failure is not an option' line is getting mighty old. I get angry whenever I hear that crap any more. No one tells us what 'victory' means... no one tells us what 'failure' is.
The sad fact is, the troops (the ones everyone supports) will get screwed no matter what. If they stay indefinitely...they are run ragged and continually maimed, killed... If they are brought home, they're considered 'failures'. The whole thing is nauseating. Bush is the failure here... and yet Tucker thinks he's like Roosevelt? These two young jokers -- who could be leading a fight in Iraq, if they so chose -- are telling us and me that 'failure is not an option'? It's downright nauseating.
I wasn't commenting on the substance of the interview, which MMFA did not highlight. They chose to highlight Tucker's comment, which I responded to.
I simply said that he admitted he liked a little BS, and at least he admitted to it. His viewers, admirers or detractors can process that how they see fit.....that is their business. Criticize him if you want, but this thread is only here to prompt inflammatory posts - and MMFA is better and more substantive than that.
And one that inferentially shows misinformation. I mean he admitted he liked to be lied to. Can anyone now possibly maintain that he has the slightest credibility when he shills for Bush KNOWING he cant trust what he says? Its the same as ADMITTING that he only cares about the agenda and facts and reality dont matter to him at all. If that isnt about misinformation, I dont know what is.
I see your point and it's a good one. This may go to Tucker's future credibility, but he has been a vocal critic of Bush and this war so it does seem that he can criticize Bush and Co. if that's how he sees it.
I don't take much stock in what most of these TV hosts/pundits say anyway........their main agenda is to get ratings, and that dictates what they say for the most part.
I have seen it myself. I still find it an astonishing thing for someone that aspires to be considered a journalist to say.
It is an eye-opener. But he deserves a little credit for his candor - can you imagine Limbaugh or Hannity admitting such a thing? Never.
So you don't think that MMFA should have posted this article, but Tucker not only has every right to say he likes a little BS, but he should also be given credit for his candor? This is just like when you wanted to give Michael Savage credit for not apologizing for his hatespeech. Someone who's supposed to be a journalist does not get credit for admitting that he likes being lied to. And it not only brings his future comments into doubt, it also brings his entire past history into doubt. You can't trust a journalist who not only excuses Bush's deceitfullness, but admits to enjoying it.
Because he's an exporter, not an importer.
Tucker can take his BS and keep his blinders on.
If Americans are dying we deserve the truth. BS is never acceptable. Never, not when Americans are dying for no good reason.
I understand where you're coming from but Tucker didn't say anything about anyone else "liking a little BS", he was specific about himself. If he said something along the lines of "It's OK when Bush BS's a little bit", that would be totally different.
I, along with you, deserve and expect the truth from all our public officials, especially concerning war - but Tucker obviously feels less insulted - he may be diluted, but it's his business.
Or deluded?
about carlson. And why do you believe your outlining of reasons to justify posting it or any article on any site not owned by you are the only valid ones or that you have any validity at all since you are a sel-confessed troll?
No, Tucker...we do not know what you mean.
Tucker has lost it....seriuously...he makes no rational sense and likes to be deceived. BRILLIANT!!
Well IF Tucker likes a little BS, he picked the right guy in Bush.
Why settle for a little Tucker? Bush has several dump trucks FULL of the stuff for ya ;-)
I think Tommy is correct when he says this statement might affect Tucker's credibility, and I believe this is MMFA’s point. This is a warning to Tucker viewers. I think that people who don't mind receiving a little BS don't mind dishing a little of it out as well, and as a journalist that’s not a good thing to do. How will we know when he's being forthright or when he's tossing out a little BS? I already had questions about Tucker’s sincerity. He seems to try to be deliberatively provocative; maybe it’s done to spark discussion but who knows.
The credit for the credibility remark should go to Solon. I just agreed it was a distinct possibility.
I was reading through pretty quickly.
>>"CARLSON: I like that about Bush"<<
Carlson loves what the Main Misinformer of the Western world is doing, and eagerly passes it along to us on his show.
While Bush shoots the bull $#!t, (and did he ever shoot it yesterday...) and Carlson laps it up, actual, young Americans are dying whilst Bush is on his latest spinnin' n' listenin' tour.
TR commanded a cavalry unit. As commander-in-chief, Bush has failed miserably at a cost of thousands of lives.
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended". That's what the BSer-in-Chief said back in '03. That supreme bit of horse manure must have really turned Carlson on.
didn't hatedo "a little bs from the President" when the President was a Democrat.
What a hypocrite.
Should have been:
Tucker hated "a little bs from the President" when the President was a Democrat.
That's a direct quote from Mr. Carlson. So we need to keep losing 3 to 4 (or more) troops a day because lil' Tucker finds failure "scary".
all day long spouting nonsense
It's easy for the Neocons to just keep sending other people out in the battlefield to die under your failed war. They treat the American and Iraqi dead as though they are video game characters.
Why is this coconut head on television?
What kind of "libertarian" praises a president who lies and misleads people to achieve his agenda? That's what a dictator is!
If failure was as scary as you claimed it to be, you'd already be sh*ttin your pants Mr. Carlson. Try experiencing failure on the ground in Iraq, huh? A bullet in the head is even scarier then whatever you think you are doing behind that desk of yours.
would be able to determine BS from lies. I believe they are different. The administration relies on lies and then tries to BS their way out of them. But each lie/BS allows more and more people to die. Tucker, you should never, ever accept BS when people's lives hang in the balance. You are speaking on national TV, not in your tree house...WAKE UP
Why do you guys bother to pay any attention to what the radical right says. They try occasionally to keep a little verisimilitude with little dribs and drabs of truth. They will insert the correct day of the week.
These guys are total liars. They are hired to lie. If they are ineffective liars they are paid poorly. If I have this wrong I will appologize. These propagandists care less about the deaths in Iraq than Hitler did about the jew. They are in it for the money.
Saddam was "taken out" to destroy his marketing methods and to get his oil out of the world market. The only purpose for the Iraqi war has been to protect and increase the price of oil. It has succeeded marvelously.
Tucker is supposed to raise a big enough smoke screen to allow these guys to do their dirty work behind it. Tucker is doing a pretty good job. The average American doesn't like what is going on. But he can't really put a stop to it.
The American government is designed to protect the interests of rich white men. Most third world nations have a super rich portion of its populus that amounts to about 5%. As the middle class declines in the U. S. of A. we can expect to enter the third world by the back door.
Expect Tucker Carlson to be part of the rich 5%.