On Scarborough, body language analyst found that O'Reilly exhibited "typical primate behavior"
On the January 9 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, media psychologist Caryn Stark watched a clip of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor to analyze the body language of host Bill O'Reilly and determined that, during that particular show, O'Reilly exhibited "typical primate behavior" and "ma[de] a lot of noise and a lot of fury about nothing." Host Joe Scarborough introduced the segment by saying that O'Reilly "has been on an absolute rampage against NBC, MSNBC, and all things peacock recently." He also stated that, on the January 5 edition of the Factor, O'Reilly "tried to get [NBC News chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell] to confess to NBC's deep-rooted Bush-hating." He then showed a clip of the January 9 edition of the Factor, during which O'Reilly asked body language expert Tonya Reiman to analyze Mitchell during her appearance on the show January 5. Scarborough explained: "[W]e decided to bring our own expert in ... to analyze Bill O'Reilly's body language and figure out what's behind his obsession with NBC. This is what we learned."
While a video clip of the Factor played, showing O'Reilly gesturing several times, Stark stated: "He's making emphasis. He's screaming. And he starts flailing his hands around, and that's typical primate behavior that shows that 'this is my territory; I'm protecting it.' " Watching O'Reilly pointing his finger forward, Stark explained, "[T]hat's saying: 'I'm making my point. I'm angry.' And that's rage." After examining additional O'Reilly hand gestures, Stark stated: "He obsesses about his points. He mentions liberal ... over and over again. 'I'm obsessed with this point about being a liberal and I'm going to let you know, and I'm going to use my fingers for emphasis, and I'm going to make a lot of noise and a lot of fury about nothing.' " Stark added: "I don't think we have to pay too much attention to what he's doing because he's enjoying himself, and he's doing a lot of, 'here's my territory, and I'm going to protect it.' "
As the weblog News Hounds has noted, O'Reilly frequently hosts Reiman to analyze the body language of public figures.
Later in the discussion on Scarborough Country, Congressional Quarterly columnist and MSNBC political analyst Craig Crawford stated: "[O'Reilly's] based a show on hating somebody. I mean, he's built an audience of people who want to hear that, and he delivers every night and it's all about hate. It's like any other addiction, you know, you got to feed the habit."
From the January 9 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country:
SCARBOROUGH: It's official: Bill O'Reilly's obsessed. The Fox News "culture warrior" has been on an absolute rampage against NBC, MSNBC, and all things peacock recently, claiming that this network has taken a dramatic turn to the left. He even brought on NBC's Andrea Mitchell last week and tried to get her to confess to NBC's deep-rooted Bush-hating. But when one of Washington's most respected journalists stood her ground, O'Reilly continued those attacks, this time by bringing in a body language expert. Here's what O'Reilly had to say just a short time ago.
O'REILLY [video clip]: I was basically putting forth that NBC News has gone left big-time, and there really isn't anybody over there who's a conservative thinker. It's pretty simple.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, we decided to bring our own expert in, psychotherapist Caryn Stark, to analyze Bill O'Reilly's body language and figure out what's behind his obsession with NBC. This is what we learned.
STARK [video clip]: He's making emphasis. He's screaming. And he starts flailing his hands around, and that's typical primate behavior that shows that "this is my territory; I'm protecting it." What he's doing with his finger right now, if you want to freeze that for a second -- that's saying: "I'm making my point. I'm angry." And that's rage. OK, you can continue.
Oh, I love that one. If you could freeze what he just did with his fingers and the way that he wiped them across his eyes? What he's telling you there is, "I'm clearing the plate. I'm really looking at this, but don't take me very seriously." He obsesses about his points. He mentions liberal. You're going to see it again. There you go, over and over again. "I'm obsessed with this point about being a liberal and I'm going to let you know, and I'm going to use my fingers for emphasis, and I'm going to make a lot of noise and a lot of fury about nothing." So, I don't think we have to pay too much attention to what he's doing because he's enjoying himself, and he's doing a lot of, "here's my territory, and I'm going to protect it."
SCARBOROUGH: You know, this is all so new to me -- very enlightening. So, why is Bill O'Reilly obsessed with NBC and the peacock, and where will this war lead? Here now, John Fund, he is a columnist for The Wall Street Journal, and MSNBC political analyst Craig Crawford. He's the author of the book, Attack the Messenger.
Craig, we have been seeing these Bill O'Reilly teases all day that he was going to look at Andrea Mitchell's body language and prove that we're all liberals. What, my friend, is behind Bill O'Reilly's obsession with NBC? Why are we the latest enemy on the Factor's list?
CRAWFORD: You know, this guy, he's like the Evil Knievel of TV news. I mean, he's based everything on stunts, you know, and once you do that, you got to have a new stunt every night. So, I guess we'll have Ouija boards next. I mean, look, this is an old formula for Bill O'Reilly -- is to take on a network -- he was after CBS for years, and CBS, I guess that got tired and so, now it's NBC. He's based a show on hating somebody. I mean, he's built an audience of people who want to hear that, and he delivers every night, and it's all about hate. It's like any other addiction, you know, you got to feed the habit.
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How...how is this misinformation?
Tommy! Where are you? Waaaaa
The back scratching hairy ape pack is under attack and needs another alpha male!
Settle down!
I'm no fan of Tommy's frippery either, but this baiting is childish.
If he wants to post he'll post. If he doesn't feel like it, too bad for you.
This site is not your personal Gotcha! game.
Sheesh...
I can't believe we are being called children by someone who posts as "Deeznuts".
Deez please accept my humble apology. You have helped put everything back into perspective. We really should not be baiting Tommy. But it was just impossible to resist. I will not attempt to return to an adult dialog.
LOL. I meant I will now return to an adult conversation.
Tommeeeeeee, where are you? Shouldn't you whine/chime in with some ad hominem banter by now?
He is busy saying things are irrelevant or maybe they were business decisions in some other thread. Although he could also be asking questions of people when he never answers a question or supplies an ounce of proof. I know this is off topic (but this topic is awfully silly) but I just could not resist.
....the righties have a limited vocabulary and are never correct on anything (OK, that's two things).
Are you all his Cheerleadrers or part of his fan club.
Tommy, enquiring minds want to hear from you!
But ahhh, why waist the time....
I agree. EvilLib I think you should stop waisting our errr I mean your time posting.
walk in fornt of a bus?
Could it Be that Tommy actually is the loofa lovin, oversexed Anchorman (think Will Farrell) who comes on to his female staffers (Think Mackris) with instructions on the proper use of sexual devices? One thing is for sure, O'Liar definitely reads this site as he frequently rails against the "Smear Sites" whenever MMFA catches him in an obvious faux pas. Tommie is that you? Are you really BillO? Give us a little tutaledge on how your a master at working the loofa.
What's great about all of this is that it took Joe S. only about twenty minutes to get this piece out, right after O'Reilly's expert "analysis."
Obviously, someone smells blood, and it's not Scarborough's.
This is hilarious. But what's especially funny is how Scarborough seems to think he is not part of the problem.
Why doesn't Joe just grab Bill and those two go off in a corner together and pick lice off of each other. LOL.
These terrible bits of conservative misinformation, I mean, saying Bill O'Reilly is acting like a PRIMATE! I have not heard something so outrageous since Bob Eubanks asked on the Newleywed Game if some man was more like a man's man or more like a Homo Sapien.
(To which most of the wives replied, "Oh, definitely, much more like a homo sapien.")
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would be Ann Coulter calling former VP Al Gore a total f*g!!! Of course a game show host's remarks are obvoiusly more important to the current political landscape than a hate-spewing GOP stooge who advocates the execution of public officials, even Republicans (Coulter said of former Rhode Island Republican Lincoln Chaffe "they shot the wrong Lincoln"). It's pretty clear to any thinking person that Scarborough was making a tongue-in-cheek point about how you can suggest anything about a person through the psuedo-scientific analysis of body language. The irony is that apes are capable of co-operative behaviour. O'Reilly is simply an illinformed bully who, when challenged to a debate on facts and issues, invariably responds with the standard "SHUT UP." Apes trained in sign language in reality are far more articulate, although not quite as creative when sexually harrassing co-workers - O'Reilly has that down to a fine art.
about this whole 'free speach' thing. It seems a-ok to defame people, call for genocide, racial and religious hate and flat out lie, but say 'the s word' or show a nipple and the pack goes wild.
Same with Clinton vs. Bush.
Clinton: draft-doger, only inhailed and had sex with someone
Bush: got daddy to bail him out of vietnam, got daddy to get him a diploma, known durg and alochol addict
But it seems ok for Bush since he is a born-again chrisitan.
These conservative types always trumpet how bad the liberals are, yet must be the corrupted people on this planet.
You, like O'reilly are a coward!
Posters to this site have questioned my sanity, accused me of all sorts of things (many far off topic), but this is the first time I have been accused of being a coward.
I have reread my post, and I know I bring up the sore point of MMFA being off mission: Just what "specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary" do they want Joe Scarborough contacted about, and what would they "like the media outlet to do differently in the future"?
Please tell me in what shape or form I am a coward?
It's t*t for tat and its about time. Bill O has used his own body language person. Turnabout is fail play and long overdue. I love it. Primate behavior. It's about as close to calling Bill a sh*t slinging ape one would want to get.
Please. Someone do Hannity next. Please.
for sure. Definitely not silvertongue.
A more apt and preferable word would be simian instead of primate.
Oh and by the way. I have to gratuitously mention the Mackris Transcript at least once in every O'Reilly thread so that those who may not have read it get the chance. Hilarious stuff!
...is when he starts talking about the vibrator. "O'REILLY'S eyes became glazed, and bizarrely strayed in opposite directions."
I don't know what that means in primate body language. "Falafel time," presumably.
turned onto another Con.
They do go for the throat, don't they?
...is all these clowns are now in-fighting. Completely ridiculous. But, fairly entertaining.
When Stark was analyzing Bill-O's body language, Bill-O mentioned something along the lines that a "weather is liberal". Anyone know what's that about?
He was listing off the entire cast of the Today show. If I remember correctly the line was along the lines of "The guy who does the weather...liberal". Go to the MSNBC website and watch the videos of the entire segments of these from Scarborough. Rather amusing. Yet the last one got strange when it suddenly went from being Bill O'Reilly to discussing the escalation. One of the panel members even repeated the Faux mantra a few times. Was kind of surreal. I'm just waiting for someone to use the ratings bit. I have what I think is an interesting question to ask them.
What's that supposed to mean? "and we're looking at a low pressure system in the northeast, which should be great for the organic granola and tofu crop this year! But here comes Mean Mr. Christian Oppressor Stormcloud, raining out all the gay weddings in Ohio..."
(oh come on, if you can't laugh at yourself..)
Seriously, though, the "monkey no like you in my territory" thing is interesting and frightening. Fewer people are watching Bill-o, and more people are getting their "opinion journalism" (i.e. jumbo shrimp and "buy more and save") from other, more level-headed sources, such as Mr. Scarborough. Poor Bill, we are no longer his puppets and we won't buy his nonsensical rantings about a liberal conspiracy to destroy christmas or whatever anymore. Boo hoo to the monkey, he lost his kitty-cat.
and since that currently means the weather we are having is not appropriate for this time of the year, thus showing the effects of global warming, it is 'liberal'.
Love, sharing and truth is liberal. Hate, greed and lying is conserative.
I mentioned in the other thread that I studied group dynamics and we often looked to gorillas to understand our species. Has anyone else done cross-species comparing?
I was going to say something crass regarding sheep and other posters. But Holly you are much too civilized to use like that. I have never compared species but it does sound interesting.
...about silverbackish behavior, but I didn't want to do so if someone else doesn't share this interest.
...a discussion on the social behavior of oreillytans in the wild, by someone who's studied them. After watching this particular "old man of the falafel", I come away with more questions than answers.
I'm interested just because it's, well, interesting ! :-)
But also I'm interested because I'm an atheist, and when animal and human behavior is similar or even identical, it shows just how special humans
aren't
. I don't think O'Blabbermouth would be offended being compared to an animal, but doesn't Scarborough claim to be an evangelical Christian ? If so, Gawd would probably be displeased with any ape-human comparisons.<\ul> I screwed up the tags. I meant to underline the word "aren't".
(sigh)
that does seem to describe and perhaps explain some of our behaviors.
What's interesting, zerosumgame0005, is that the male of our species generally establishes a heirarchy without words. Women, on the other hand, are more likely to pursue collaboration. But at a site like this, which is primarily male, the normal non-verbal devices don't work. So if men are going to establish a hierarchy, they must do so through a less favored medium: words. Remember that women produce, on average, 50% more words in a day than men and much of that jibber-jabber is about soothing for the sake of collaboration. So, the tussling that occurs here might be much about hierarchy and the rare woman here, like me, might be a misfit, as I seek to soothe.
on PC's, well I have this concept for facial reproduction using avatars and using the cam to track expressions and reproduce them in the avatar image. preserving anonimity but allowing some non-verbal expression without the use of the all to cute and annoying 'emoticons'. besides being clumsy they are also subject to misinterpritation.
I once wrote much more on the Internet than I do now. I scaled back because of the verbal violence. And I've always wondered why the Internet is such a verbally violent place, but our little chat here has me thinking that it's the lack of gesticulating and physical posturing that might explain the abundance of cyber-verbal violence. BOR gets to do his ape gestures, but in cyber-space, we must replace that verbal aggression with words. Words must carry all our aggression. I'd like to see your contemplated device in action, for a frozen gesture is rarely a pretty thing and I think we might try to tamper our gesticulating to avoid looking foolish.
Since there is no way to gauge body language all aggression must be in the form of words. Also, because we can't see the person we are communicating with we may not know when to stop pushing. I have worked with call centers for a long time and see very similar situations. People will threaten physical violence over the phone but in person will be extremely nice. When typing we don't even get verbal clues so tempers can escalate very quickly. It is all very interesting. I wonder how many people who are aggressive arguers here would be the same face to face.
my wife always tells me she has a 5000 word minimum requirement when talking to me. Do you know how long a woman can draw out 5000 words?
Comparing O'Reilly to a gorilla is unfair - to gorillas.
anyway, think this could have something to do with the fact that keith's ratings keep rising since he's been on the attack? monkey see, monkey....doo?
I know, but this latest war Bill Orielly has declared is just sooo damn funny. ALL of the people he has attacked are having a ball poking fun at him. When you're enemies are hilariously laughing in your face I think you're in danger of losing the war.
He lost the war a long time ago. People are running away from Bill O in droves. I guess his culture warriors are going awol.
...HAVE BOTH BEEN LOST!
Both of them are behaving like Adolf Hitler did when WW-II was already lost. Like Hitler was, they are both blind to reality. They both think they are correct in the face of a preponderance of clear evidence to the contrary.
They both are desperately in need a long session with a good psychiatrist.
After Hitler's war was lost, he was still sending Non-Existent German troops to drive the Russians out of Berlin.
Bush and O'Reilly are still defending themselves in a way that is very similar to way Hitler was behaving.
The remaining supporters for Bush, O'Reilly and the Escalation are all Sucking Up on a Giant GOP Popsicle. They've all thrown reality out the window.
I wonder if Billy is brave enough to realize it.
and come to the same conclusion.............
LOL. All I can say is he is calling O'Really an ape which is really belittling the higher primates. They deserve better call Geico. LOL LOL
..he has power with the public. Remember when he said he started a boycott against some French product or was it the actual country of France, I can't remember. Or when he declared San Francisco wasn't part of the country anymore or some other nonsense.
The point is that he is a classic demagogue with the ego to go with it. Now the reason he has such a large ego is that deep down inside he is a very insecure person and he needs the ego to cover it up. When you are a confident person you have no need to engage in this kind of stuff. You really don't care.
Bill "sexual harasser" O'Reilly can't help himself because he is fundamentally a very, very insecure person and this war with NBC is reflexive on his part. Like an animal striking out in fear. Part of it probably is because his ratings are going down as has the rest of Fox News. Yes, they are still the most watched cable network. But they now have some rust spots showing and it appears to be getting worse.
He is only going to get more and more vicious as this ratings slide continues. You don't think HE is going to take any responsibility for his failing do you?
This guy is really sick. I mean this very sincerely. He really does need some serious psychotherapy. But in order to get help you first must acknowledge that you actually NEED help. That takes some serious self reflection and confronting your own ego and illusions about yourself which Bill doesn't appear to have.
In other words it takes courage and humility. Something Bill seems to lack.
But maybe BO is exhibiting primate behavior because... HE IS A PRIMATE...as are all humans. This whole thing is silly.
Scarbarough transparency is so apparent it's shameful. Welcome to 2007 Scarbarough, you finally realized BO is an ass with an inflated ego. Some people have known that for quite a few years now.
but we like to believe we're sort of a cut above the gibbons and chimps,and consequently most of us try to avoid displays of "typical primate behavior".
Not me. I'm a fecal-flingin' prehensile-toed brachiater !
I find O'Liely's point essentially laughable. Why would a company who funded Ronald Reagan's conservative coup allow it's $100 billion media mouthpiece be the socialist monster ol' Bill portrays? It's absurd.
His opinions are remarkably context free.
From what I know from a friend of mine (West Point grad), who is an executive in one of G.E.'s groups, is that almost all of the people in her group are from the military -- especially the service academies. I will say I don't know how far up that preference reaches, but it is obviously very close to the top of my friend's organization.
According to my friend, they are also "rabidly" conservative (and she is a conservative herself).
I haven't asked about the other many and varied groups within G.E., but it may be true that G.E. is a very conservative organization.
Later in the discussion on Scarborough Country, Congressional Quarterly columnist and MSNBC political analyst Craig Crawford stated: "[O'Reilly's] based a show on hating somebody. I mean, he's built an audience of people who want to hear that, and he delivers every night and it's all about hate. It's like any other addiction, you know, you got to feed the habit."
Hmmm, based a show on hating sombody...
MSNBC...
Falafel man....
Mr. Bush. Mr. Bush Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Bush
Has a website, but there is an opposition website with many more daily hits...
Worst person in the world....
Nah--Nobody comes to mind.