Savage: British "soccer thug[s]" who defeated Hitler have been "beaten down by the lesbian/homosexual mafia"
On the January 18 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, while playing the song "Living on a Thin Line" by the Kinks, Michael Savage claimed that "there's no England now" because "[t]he soccer thug[s]" who defeated Hitler "[are] gone." Savage asserted: "The soccer thug has been beaten down by the lesbian/homosexual mafia in England." Savage added: "The very men who could defend the lesbians and homosexuals have been beaten down by them in the West, all part of the gigantic global psychosis."
As Media Matters for America has documented (here, here, here, and here), Savage frequently smears gays and lesbians, recently calling homosexuality "the dance of death" and regarding it as the "seminal issue of our time."
From the January 18 edition of The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Yeah, play it again. No, there's no England now. Men in wing-tipped shoes with wing-tipped souls. The soccer thug who fought Hitler -- who beat Hitler to a pulp, they're gone. The soccer thug has been beaten down by the lesbian/homosexual mafia in England. The very men who could defend the lesbians and homosexuals have been beaten down by them in the West, all part of the gigantic global psychosis. Don't you dare say a word about anything, unless it goes through our filter. We know what's best for our country because we're better than you, we're cleaner than you, we're smarter than you, we have more money than you, we don't have nasty little -- ugly, dirty children like you, we're not filthy breeders like you. We're smart, we're smart. Go to break.
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Oh man, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried!
I can't argue with you that this crap is laughable.......
But I can't help but wonder if Savage, using this little cyptic message, is looney here when he said:
"The very men who could defend the lesbians and homosexuals have been beaten down by them in the West"
Could he possibly be implying that the Fascist Nazi's (whether then or today) were or are the defenders of the gay community, and that somehow, the very free, liberated, and tolerant country named America took that away from Hitler?
I thought Hitler&Co rounded up gays & lesbians (regardless of their nationality) and threw them in with the Jews.
Way to go Mr Savage!
You're right that Hitler threw the gays in with the Jews, gypsies, Jehova's Witnesses, blacks, etc...
I think he feels bad because he's never found his Lola.
"I'm glad I'm a man and so is Lola..."
I think I know which way Dr. Weiner would interpret that ambiguous lyric.
we gay mafia members will still let you play soccer...
what is wrong with Savage...seriously...he is unhinged...
...on the prediction that he will be outed as the most red-hot flaming flamer in all of flamerdom one day.
He's gay. It's been shown that those who speak the loudest against homosexuality are usually one themselves.
I recognize all the words.
I know more than the average bear about soccer thugs and WWII, England and homosexual folks.
But I don't have a clue what Savage is trying to say.
Savage, if you read this thread, this is for you: "There, there. Poor dear. Rest your head and close your eyes and sleep."
..it has something to do with the fact that a significant soccer hooligan subculture wears designer clothes:
"Fans began arriving in England wearing expensive Italian and French designer clothes, sometimes looted from stores during outbreaks of violence that were commonplace when English fans travelled abroad. Initially many hooligans and members of football firms started to wear designer labels and expensive sportswear so as not to attract the attention of police and no club colours were worn so it was easier to infiltrate rival groups as well as gain access to pubs etc. At the time many police forces were still on the look out for skinhead fans wearing Doc Martens boots and didn't pay attention to fans in expensive designer clothing..."
Totally. Ghey. But still total ass-kickers. Best of both worlds, wunnit?
it was a "firm" in northern england york i believe actually call themselves the "casuals" . Im not done reading all the blogs but i cant wait to see how tommy and truth defecator defend this one i bet hey dont dare althought leatherhelmet will probably say somthing stupid to p**s everybody off
...declared that Savage should be prez. Like Bush, Weiner seems to be losing the ability the string words in ways that convey meaning, so there certainly is a precedent for an incoherent prez. Of course, an incoherent talk show host requires incoherent listening. Later in this thread, ringgoldfam59009 asserts that Weiner "is clearly saying...." I suspect that a member of the Weiner Nation can seemingly decode Weiner because Weiner employed a phrase like "homosexual mafia."
"Thas right, boss, thas right," a Weineretter would say, peeing-their-pants happy that Weiner joined "homosexual" and "mafia," even though homosexual citizens are schoolmarms and accountants rather than mafiosa: extortionists and murderers.
But, hey, maybe Weiner is right. Did you read about those gay thugs who chased a straight kid through the park, caught him, and then broke his jaw and ribs?
"Breeder!" the gay thugs yelled.
Then the queer cops arrived and mocked the breeder.
The cops called him "a degenerate."
You all read that story, right?
Right?
What? No one did?
Ahhh, that's right. It never happened, but it has happened the other way around many times and partly due to the invective of monsters like Weiner and those who support his hate speech. So, Dorraine, you couldn't be more wrong when you assert that we enjoy Savage. I'm an American who believes in "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for all. My love of American values forces me to oppose a hate-mongerer like Savage.
I read it a couple of times as well. I have no idea what he's getting at. But I am convinced that the right wing talking heads are trying to out crazy one another this week. Unfortunately, for him, Dr. Weiner's had a very short trip to get to crazy.
If I were Savage, a more appropriate Kinks song to play on his show might have been "Acute Schizophrenia Paranoia Blues".
...who can decode Savage for us.
CALLING ALL, NEOCONS!
WHAT DID SAVAGE MEAN?
He's uses the soccer thugs reference only emblamatically. They represent for him the INTOLERANCE which he sees as a necessary ingredient for the the Jews host countries continued survival and prosperity.
It is his own people's efforts against intolerance which animates him. He understands that they mean to make a more comfortable place for themselves, but he sees them as going overboard in that they weaken the tribal cohesiveness necessary to summon the required ferocity to elect to fight and win wars.
please don't step on dear savage weiner
cuz he doesn't like gay football style
he should have been made out of flesh and blood
but he's just made of hate and bile.
"I wish my life was a non-stop Nationwide radio show,
A fantasy world of radio villains and heroes,
Because radio heroes never feel any pain
And radio heroes never really die."
with apologies to Ray Davies
Nashville written all over it.
of a Kinks song sounds like Nashville, my DEEP apologies to the bros. Davies.
If the homosexuals need the heterosexual soccer thugs to defend them in war, then how is it possible that the homosexuals have "beaten down" the heterosexual soccer thugs?
So teh ghey mafia types beat down the tough football hooligans, who beat down Hitler. Ergo, the poofters can beat down Hitler. Problem solved!
Thanks for pointing that out, I'm sure Weiner Savage will be so relieved...
Savage entertains you, and you can't get enuff!!!
in much the same way as the cliche train wreck does.
But if Savage entertains us, does that mean you and Barack Obama are gonna get gay married?
Savage Rules!
His own padded room. He needs to increase his medication.
Brink.
That Savage brilliance is contagious.
Here's hoping some big homosexual soccer hooligan meets him in a dark alley and beats him to a pulp.
Right-wing media pundits in the US try to peddle the line that the reason that personalities like Michael Savage are criticised is because of the very fact that they are right-wing. The Savage quote above is so supremely offensive I feel the need to add some facts. Many football hooligans (although there are a lot less of them around now) are neo-nazis. There is a Chelsea FC hooligan group called Combat 18; the "18" refers to the initials AH, standing for Adolf Hitler. One of the main reasons that hooliganism has died down is, for better or worse, because of the commercialisation of football. This was a process started under a right-wing Conservative government. Michael Savage's comment is just extremely, extremely wrong on every possible level. Speaking as an outsider, it seems that the right-wing media elelements in America have adopted the Murdoch journalism ideals - that sales, viewing figures and popularity are more important than accurate journalism. To give 2 examples from Murdoch-owned British newspapers:The Times published "Hitler's secret diaries", without bothering to check their authenticity. In the 1989, the hurrendous and wrong reporting of the Hillsborough football stadium disaster by The Sun, where it was claimed that some Liverpool fans "picked pockets of victims, some fans urinated on the brave cops, and some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life", led to a longstanding boycott by Liverpool newsagents. British tabloid journalism, where Murdoch is a key player, is rightly criticised for the way it conducts itself, with scant regard for accurate journalism. From what I have seen of the growing sensationalist, rating-driven style of much American news reporting, there is a similar problem in the American media, and it is depressing that an outlet like Media Matters gets so strongly criticised for pointing it out. Rant over!
Not quite. You might also have mentioned that, when it became clear that the diaries were fraudulent (pre or post publication is a matter of some controversy), Murdoch is quoted as saying, "F**k it. We're in the entertainment business."
Who would know about psychosis than Savage?
You're right Rusty, you can't make this stuff up. :)
Not that hard realy (sorry gents) Mike is clearly saying a Nation that used to be filled with gritty, determined and even yes rough MEN has been defeated by a social movement built on "un" manliness . What's so hard to figure out?
Where is the proof of all this? No one made England "gay" or "unmanly."
Saying is the he is an insane bigot, without a shred of decency.
How did the "men" allow themselves to get defeated by the forces of unmanliness?
Well, little by little of course. Much like skin cancer, once you you know you have it, it is too late.
The straight men are more powerful than gay men.
But once gay men have a bit of power, it's too late to stop them from dominating the straight men. And then, with the straight men dominated... well, anybody who moves in will just have to be even gayer or get re-dominated eventually.
So gay > all?
Regardless, if Savage doesn't like gays, he can always move to Kenya, or another anti-homosexual nation: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
had any effect whatsoever on those who take these really dumb talking points seriously. Their only service is to bigotry.
What's it like, Mikey, on your planet? Did some gay kid beat you up in grade school, break into your locker and redecorate it? Or did you suffer severe and punative potty training from your mommy? Perhaps a childhood 'Doctor' game with a neighbor boy went horribly wrong? Whatever it is, let it go. Everything is gay to you, so you may as well get used to it. Gay! Say it! Queer! Say it! C'mon, ya big queen~! Give us a smile!!
that Savage-weiner spent a summer at Jeff Gannon boot camp and got so excited he forgot his safe word.
That stuff will leave a mark.
that makes sense. Thank God we have Culture Warriors like Bill O'Reilly who are trying to set things right again. If only Savage would end his animosity towards BO and join forces, the homosexual gangs could be stopped. As MMFA rightly puts it: "TAKE ACTION!" Contact Savage and tell him the only way to stop the homosexual advance is to ally with O'Reilly. They might not agree ideologically all the time but, hey, that didn't stop Roosevelt and Stalin now did it?
Ringoldfam
about weiner's comprehension of WWII that he believes "thugs" or "thug-like behavior" won that war.
All that delusional comparing of Bush and Iraq to WWII has got the righty's confused about which side we used to be on.
now wait. i am a memeber of the Ultra Sankt Pauli. We are hooligans against facism, racism, hate and, well pretty much anything that comes out of the mouths of these turds. We support F.C. St. Pauli.
I don't know about English Hooligans, but german football culture evolved after the war. During the occupation/rebuild, citizens were not allowed to march or show any signs of patriotism at all. Unless it was supporting a sporting team. Well, there you go.
My club routinly battles the right, and mostly the facists coming from the east. I find it amazing that the American left is so 'soft'. You can have the intellectuals do battle in the studios...but I am surprised there is no battle on the street. The vile remarks that ooze from these people...halfrican? muslim terror school? oh my...if you said that to me in a bar? you'd never get off the floor.
maybe they don't say these things on the street. maybe it's all code. they can hide behind code and broadcast hearsay. anyhow....i hate them.
Ultra Sankt Pauli Ole Ole Amen Amen.
When will this neo-con myth that Hitler was gay die?
It has its roots in WWII, and was a propaganda technique. Although many who created the myth admitted they knew what the Nazi's had done to Germany's LGBT population.
(Side note: once the war ended, one of the reasons we did not hear about the gay purges in Germany had to do with that country's laws. It was illegal to be gay. So to volunteer to tell your story would have caused you to be arrested. It was not until Germany changed its laws, that many of the stories began to be told, unfortunatly many of the men and women involved had died before that point and thier stories are lost forever.)
"We know what's best for our country because we're better than you, we're cleaner than you, we're smarter than you, we have more money than you, we don't have nasty little -- ugly, dirty children like you, we're not filthy breeders like you. We're smart, we're smart."
I believe here he is playing the part of gay person, but I wonder if this represents how he truly feels. Projecting this onto gays is a way for him to get it out whithout taking any responsibility for it.
...just spews out whatever pops into his head, but says it with such authority that people who don't know any better think that what he is saying must be true. He's pulls stuff out of his *ss but speaks as though it is based on hours of intense research and discussion with others. The other day I heard him say, in reference to a Navy commander who was relieved of his command after an accident killed four sailors, that if the man had been either a minority or a woman we would have never heard of it because that person would have never been relieved of their command. The Naval Officer was relieed of his command because he was a white man according to Mr. Weiner. Now where did he get this? He just pulled it out of his *ss, as usual. He said it with such force and authority that i found myself almost thinking...is that true? Was it just because he was white and a man? I come from a military family and I was in the military mysel, and I KNOW that such things are not done lightly, and that officer's career is now ruined...and yet I felt myself getting sucked in by Mr. Weiner's craziness...if even only for a second.
If I remember, the soccer 'ooligans were led into battle by rugby playing elites who kept quiet generally about the time Wankerby-Holewe-Thuxton and Cadatington-Blowme-Bastard were the the closest of friends say what? To paraphrase Churchill on the Royal Navy "...the lash,sodomy and rum were the traditions of the Royal Navy" don't you know old chap? It's been a tradition since the Conquest:in war a martial pansy can get detrimentally speaking,equally blown to bits as his manly counterpart. Cheerio pip pip and God save that sad little queenie.
Seriously. Was this bastard sexually abused by his boy scout leader? Did Allan Ginsburg force Mr. Wiener to fellate his wiener or other shamful sexual acts? Did somebody gay steal money from him?
How else to explain Michael "Paragraph 175" Savage's utter hatred of homosexuals?
I mean, in terms of "lifestyle of death", I agree that there are those in the gay community who engage in it: countless sexual partners, drug use, unprotected coitus. The best speech I ever heard decrying this lifestyle comes from Larry Kramer, a gay man himself.
However, Savage is OBSESSED. Just plain OBSESSED.
let me tell you a bit about a community that engages in the "lifestyle of death."
They eat so much that their knees buckle beneath their weight and must be replaced. They become diabetics because they can't push a plate away. They swallow pills as a replacement for good food and exercise. Rather than walk to work or to the theater, they drive everywhere, driving up the temperature of the Earth. And when they drive, they do so with cell phones to their ears, making them 4 times more likely to crash. Of course, I just described about other American, who stuff themselves with processed food and pills and do everything that they can to keep from moving and to contribute to global warming.
Arrgh! In your "lifestyle of death" invective, you, like many others, are ready to feel superior to a few so that you don't have to confront the monstrous sins of the many.
But thank the sweet baby Jesus that that folks like Savage and seemingly you have homosexual citizens to avert their gaze from their growing guts and their knee and ecosystem crashing appetites.
Evil begets evil and a couple of you are the spawn of Weiner. I urge the MMFA censor to take a flamethrower to this thread.
...it's difficult to see see what on earth the man is talking about. I can't recall anyone - even on the daft fringes of the Tory party - suggesting that the salvation to Britain's woes is more queer-bashing hooligans and homophobic lager louts. And I'd be very surprised if any of this nation's war veterans felt that the Battle of Britain was decided by Arsenal and Chelsea fans. For that matter, I'd be surprised if either war veterans or football fans felt they were conspicuously defending the gay community. In fact, I can't think of any possible way in which Savage's argument might possibly make any sense whatsoever. Perhaps he could elaborate so we could subject his reasoning to the rigorous analysis it so clearly merits?
The guy is accusing homosexuals of having a "filter" and so on, but it's really him who does. And did anyone catch his comments earlier about the idea that civil rights was a racket? What "birthright" was he talking about, anyway? (For full diatribe, go to my blog.)
The student group I run had to shut down public non-student access to our web site because of this. One student asked a logical, intelligent question, but with a taint of ignorance of gay and lesbian issues. But he was interested in knowing more.
Out of no where, non-students took his questions to mean he was attacking our group and homosexuals in general. Within a month we had nearly 100 postings that had to be removed because of the increasing level of insults, profanity and attacks. Many of the students at the college were scared to post, because of the violence of these posts (i.e. since students post's have last name and first initial, they were scared that one of these people could show up at the college and attack them).
For some reason these people seem to claim Christian values, but feel that does not include annonymous posts on the web. They fill some of these sites with such bile and evil I wonder about our nation. Reading some of the items written (usually barely english, or coherent in any way) caused me to be sick.
There's hate flaming through this thread.
What about Ginsburg?
To all of you claiming Savage (aka Weiner) is secretly gay. PLEASE STOP! There are various reasons why I ask this.
A. We in the LGBT community don't want him, the heterosexual community can keep him, we will even pay you to do so.
B. Claiming that Mr. Weiner's anti-gay comments are just his self hatred, hurts us. Its like your saying "just ignore him, he is just spewing this bile so people don't think he's gay". His words are serious no matter what, they cause negative affects and real violence.
C. Your words can be taken by some to be homophobic, especially some of the shorter comments. You make it sound like gay equals mr. weiner's hate filled comments. Or that your angery at him and like a child on the play ground who can't think of a real insult yelling out "well your a f@@@."
D. Unless you have actual knowledge that he is or have slept with him in the past, you have no proof. Yes recently you a number of homophobes have been "Outed" as self hating gay men, not all of the hate mongers are. As far as I know Dobson, Farwell, Brownback, etc are not gay, but they still attack gay people every day. It would be easy to that everyone who hates is simply a product of self hatred, but can you make the same claim with members of the KKK, neo-nazis or other hate groups? No one seems to question these people's hate by claiming that secretly they are black or jewish and just hate themselves.
E. There are literally thousands of things you can point out about mr. weiner and attack him with. You don't need to create a self-hatred arguement (beyond the fact that he is jewish and is now considered anti-semetic).
In the past, I have mentioned the Ginsberg connection and am now persuaded by your position. One can carry toxic homobigotry and be straight. This form of hatred isn't always a cover. It is often a freestanding illness.
We in the human community don't like him in our group either.
and my dog said, mr. weiner is our problem not thier's (finished with, now give me a milk bone, but that's off topic).
Maybe I'll ask my neighbor's cats to see if the feline community will take him.
But seriously (just kidding), would any community really accept him? Perhaps the neo-cons, but I have theories that they are somehow not human (either alien invasion, robots, etc.).
that homosexuals aren't human?
Are you an MMFA regular? If so, then you'd know that King has a good heart. And if you know this, then are you assuming the worst to provoke? And if you don't know that King has a good heart, then trust me: he's not a homobigot. He's a good guy.
...observing. Rather, your sword is drawn and you are swinging. Nothing wrong with joining the fray, of course, but then your moniker isn't apt.
but my intention is not to provoke.
And if you're going to be a word warrior, which will be peachy, you might want to consider a new moniker. You tussle well and my initial impression is that you're much more than an observer.
it was just an interesting transition that he used then.
...wrote in the way that you did.
Say, at the risk of reopening a wound, did you follow McCain's link to wikipedia? McCain is a gay Jew whose grandmother's forearm bears her number. And he linked to an article that asserts:
"Homosexuals in camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors, and were also persecuted by their fellow inmates. This was a factor in the relatively high death rate for homosexuals, compared to other "anti-social groups"."
And then there's this, also from that article:
"After the war, the treatment of homosexuals in concentration camps went unacknowledged by most countries, and some men were even re-arrested and imprisoned based on evidence found during the Nazi years. It was not until the 1980s that governments acknowledged this episode, and not until 2002 that the German government apologized to the gay community. This period still provokes controversy, however; and in 2005, when the European Parliament drafted a resolution regarding the Holocaust, mention of the persecution of homosexuals was excised after debate."
But I do understand your position that horror is horror and Auschwitz is Auschwitz.
that comparing treatment of prisoners in Auschwitz is a macabre game that obfuscates the absolute horror of everyone who had the misfortune of every being there. That's the opinion of any reasonable person. If you want to continue to carry this on, the first amendment is a beautiful thing and you are more than welcome to, but don't expect any more responses from me about the subject.
While yes, everything about the death camps was terrible and we should learn from it all (the levels that hate can reach).
Holly simply said: jewish prisoners wanted to exchange the pink triangle for the star of david, due to the level of violence against gay prisoners.
I'm also not argueing that one level of violence was better than another. But gay jews in the camps did make that choice, which says something.
If it was my choice, hhmm(although I have a different outlook, altered by stonewall and gay liberation), I may look at the pyhsical disfigurement and torture recieved by gay men and ask to be labelled a jew instead.
Is death better than torture and physical disfigurement (castration, etc.) ?? I don't like to make that distinction 100%, it is largely up to you to decide for yourself. Holly and I have our own ideas, you may dissagree. That's fine, as long as you realize that both groups were targets of hate. As long as you learn the lesson left by the nazis.
(Note: My choice would be death I think. Living as a disfigured individual, still baring the scares of torture. Both physical and emotional. Added to that, (in Germany) at that time, not being able to talk to anyone about what happened to me, without fear of arrest. That would be my definition of hell on earth.)
Jews were also subject to such disfigurement and "experimetation" just as homosexuals were forced into gas chambers--your dichotomy between "death and disfigurement" holds for both groups. Yes, treatment of certain individuals was less brutal than others--this is obviously the case because some people, like members of my own family, survived without long-term physical injuries whlie most others did not. But as a group, Jews and homosexuals were treated equally monstrously and to say otherwise is to show callous disregard for the victims of one of the worst genocides in human history.
I meant to say "genocide" not "one of the worst genocides in human history." I do not want to suggest a ranking for the evilness of genocide. They are all equally evil.
No I was not implying that homosexuals are less than human. I would not even suggest that those people who denigrate homosexuals and deny them basic rights are less than human. As hateful as they can be at times, they are still members of our species. I guess I was even wrong to suggest that a heartless bastard like Weiner was less than human.
And thank you once again for your kind words Holly and McCain. And by the way, my dogs agree wholeheartedly.
I only gave you your due. And I'm glad that you amended your remarks to include neocons in humanity. Dehumanizing, as you know, is the precursor to so much that is antithetical to progressive values, such as equality.
Its interesting how these groups (because they never travel alone, always in packs.) see the world in black and white, good and evil. Gays are "evil", christians are "good". Dogs hate cats. etc.
It is very discouraging, because when you only see absolutes, you miss the greater splender of this world. That the grey areas are our greatest gift. That they allows us to interact with people who are completely different then ourselves.
BTW: I have some nice photos of my dog sleeping on the back pourch. Curled up next to him is one of my neighbor's cats. Or the two of them palying "catch" in the backyard. They seem to get along fine.
here in Wisconsin, I lobbied against the heterosupremicists marriage inequality amendment. One day, I canvassed a Republican neighborhood and was startled at the number of homeowners who wouldn't even open the screen door for a silver-haired former schoolmarm. Continuing to think in absolutes evidently requires firewalls. Savage hates from the safety of a studio. Bush stays safe by selecting his audiences. And neocons cut and run because their hatred will wither when subjected to the lights of scrutiny and decency.
Just kidding, well only a bit :)
I'm on the other side of the pond (in the now unholy) Michigan. I watched the battle in WI, I'm sorry it failed, for a while it looked like it had a real chance.
(I called MI unholy, since we had a anti-gay marriage amendent pass in 04 and this last election, banned affirmative action. Which will cause problems for years to come and was based on a number of lies).
Yeah, the refusal to even discuss the issues is becoming the true problem and these right wing radio/TV personalities don't help. At times its a little disconserting, to go from a political science class where we debated the pro's and con's and had real debate. No name calling, facts were presented by both sides, counter arguements, etc.
Than you walk out into community and hit that wall. They form opinions and biasis. They don't even want to talk about it. I did the door to door thing too, with both proposal 2's (the anti-gay one and the anti-affirmative action one). There's nothing like having some one scream in your face that your wrong and slam the door on you before you can say hello.
Yeah, many of us are ashamed on this side of the pond.
I somtimes walk down the street and wonder, "Who's a bigot? You? Or you?"
As Winston Churchill once said, "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
"As Winston Churchill once said, "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
Although I need to stop praising you, or some one will come on and lash out that we need to stop flirting.
A little side note about my activism (completely off topic): It is mainly due to a deep need to gain my parent's approval. In high school and even after I came out I sensed a subtle aura of disaproval from my parents. I believed at the time it was because I was not as smart as my younger sister or even thought maybe it was my gayness. I even imagined at one point they were like the neo-con posters here.
Later when I learned that my sister also suffered the same feelings, I was confused, but never asked. I just assumed there was some reason I did not understand.
It was not until later over dinner with my husband that my mother explained their deep dark shame. They could not understand why my sister and I were just so conservative! We never protested, had never been arrested fighting for human rights, we were just so middle class suburban.
So I work every day to repair the shame I caused my family (and undo any damage caused by my uncle, the lying blank, blank wanna be president).
Maybe if we had talked about it, our relationship would have been better.
...posters and the only time anyone complained was when I cyber-cuddled with Tommy. So, I think it's safe to say that I think you're swell too and I'm glad you're taking the struggle to the streets. Your parents sound wondeful and it seems that their wonderfulness rubbed off on you.