Beck: Obama is "colorless ... he might as well be white"
On the February 12 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Glenn Beck featured Philadelphia-based conservative radio host Dom Giordano, who claimed that "the mainstream media has dubbed [Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)] to be African-American" and said, "If you start to, you know, delve around the edges, say, 'Wait a minute, isn't he mixed race? Weren't we told that last year?' Or whatever, biracial. Not allowed to say that anymore." Beck responded by saying "he's very white in many ways," adding, "Gee, can I even say that? Can I even say that without somebody else starting a campaign saying, 'What does he mean, "He's very white?" ' He is. He's very white."
After the interview, Beck attempted to clarify his comments to executive producer and head writer of The Glenn Beck Program, Steve Burguiere, who is known on-air as "Stu." Beck claimed that Obama "is colorless," adding that "as a white guy ... [y]ou don't notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean?" In addition, Beck said: "I guarantee you, there will be blogs today that will have me being a racist because I say that."
As Media Matters for America has noted, ABC recently hired Beck as a "regular commentator" for Good Morning America, and Beck hosts a talk show on CNN Headline News. Premiere Radio Networks, which syndicates Beck's radio show, says the program is heard on more than 230 radio stations nationwide. According to Talkers Magazine, the program reaches more than 3 million listeners each week.
From the February 12 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
GIORDANO: Oh, the general ones. You can't bring up -- one guy sent me a very interesting thing about Barack Obama and race. You can't bring up anything other than that suddenly he's African-American. If you start to, you know, delve around the edges, say, "Wait a minute, isn't he mixed race? Weren't we told that last year?" Or whatever, biracial. Not allowed to say that anymore. Apparently, the mainstream media has dubbed him to be African-American.
BECK: Yeah, I -- you know, I was driving in today, and I was seeing -- because I saw this piece with him on 60 Minutes -- and I thought to myself, he is -- he's very white in many ways.
GIORDANO: Uh-huh.
BECK: And I thought to myself: Gee, can I even say that? Can I even say that without somebody else starting a campaign saying, "What does he mean, 'He's very white?' " He is. He's very white.
GIORDANO: Well, the interesting thing is, too, whatever you and I seem to say, we're wrong, the other side --
BECK: I know.
GIORDANO: -- determines it to be the opposite. So if next week we say that, they'll say, "No, it's changed to this."
BECK: Yeah. All right, Dom, thanks a lot, man.
GIORDANO: Hey, thanks, Glenn.
BECK: Appreciate it, bye-bye. Go ahead, Stu. Ask me, ask me.
STU: I mean, I think it's a legitimate question.
BECK: Are you going to start campaigning now?
STU: No, I don't -- I mean --
BECK: He is --
STU: What do you mean?
BECK: He is -- he's very -- he is -- he's colorless. He is colorless.
STU: So he's clear?
BECK: When he says -- yes. When he said, you don't notice his color, as a white guy -- and I don't know if African-Americans feel the same way -- but for whites, I think he's colorless. You don't notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean? You see him -- listen to me, listen to me.
STU: I'm trying.
BECK: You see him colorless --
STU: Yeah.
BECK: -- OK, until he starts talking about race issues and he says things, like on this 60 Minutes piece last night, he said, "When I hail a cab." And I thought, "What?" And then all of a sudden, I noticed his color.
STU: Yeah.
BECK: Only when he said, "You know," he said, "You know, I'm out" -- "You know, in Harlem, they say that you're not really black." And he says, "When I'm out in Harlem and I'm playing basketball, they don't ask me those questions. I don't ever hear those phrases." And I saw him as a black man. But only when he was talking about in that way.
STU: Wait a minute. So what you're saying is, you're colorblind, which, again, that would not -- you're, as a conservative, you're supposed to be racist. See --
BECK: I know.
STU: Just right there, there's a major problem --
BECK: But, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So when I say -- I mean, he's colorless -- or, for whites, he might as well be white, he's white. And yet, I guarantee you, there will be blogs today that will have me being a racist because I say that. However, if somebody in the African-American community say, "He's not black," well, then, they're not racists. I am. But they're not.
STU: I'm confused.
BECK: What?
STU: I just -- I don't even understand anymore.
BECK: You can say, you can say, in America, you can say, "He's not black." You're -- and you're just looked at as being stupid. You know what I mean? What? What does that even mean, "He's not black"? You can get away with saying that. But if somebody who is me -- I say, "You don't even notice his color. He might as well be white. He's a white guy." Doesn't matter. "To white people." Doesn't matter. That's racist.
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If he's not black.. why do conservatives love to talk about the fact that he's black?
If anything, Obama being "colorless" could be good. But not in the sense that the right wingers think. I'm talking in the sense that a politician could transcend race. That'd be something to hang your hat on.
They would love to see blacks embrace a white president.. but never whites embracing anyone that wasn't white.
Coservatives aren't the ONLY ones pointing out that he's black...everytime he's on ANY news, radio, print or TV it is pointed out. America's ready for a black president, a woman president, who cares? This is pretty much just schtick, what happened to having a sense of humor? I mean we are allowed to poke fun at white people because of their race, "White Man Can't Jump" comes to mind, no one got mad about that 'cause it was a good, fussy movie. What if the movie "Soul Man was released today? It would probably be protested. We have to get away from this PC crap.
What will it take for understand that minority humour directed at the majority culture is completely different than majority humour directed at a minority culture that has been denigrated, minstrelised and demonised quite literally for centuries?
This is not rocket science.
My point is that you can't even make a super bowl commercial without someone getting pissed, it's ridiculous.
Check the thread, WeinerRocks. This isn't about the Super Bowl, or any commercials aired during it.
I'm commenting on political correctness idiot, I read the post my point is that it was schtick. It's being taken too seriosly. Beck didn't really mean that Obama was clear IT WAS A JOKE. My point was that everyone has to walk on eggshells because we're worried about getting sued, boycotted, fired, fined, etc. for not being PC
Beck didn't really mean that Obama was clear IT WAS A JOKE.
Blackface vaudeville was a joke, too. That doesn't make it right.
My point was that everyone has to walk on eggshells because we're worried about getting sued, boycotted, fired, fined, etc. for not being PC
Odd, I've never had that problem. Sometimes I have to be sensitive when I say things that might offend others (such as "The Bible is not an accurate historical account of anything except Jewish oral tradition"), but I don't worry about not being PC.
Yes, no one should be made fun of except white people. People do have to walk on eggshells and it's ridiculous. Polotical correctness is out of control. People need to learn to take a joke. I'm not saying that you can give stuff like what Michael Richard's said a pass but get a sense of humor. I guess I never read the part of the bill of rights that gave us the right to be "unoffended"
If you want real truth, there is no reason to make fun of anyone, including whites. Is this a knee jerk reaction, to say "oh, you make fun of us all the time, why can't I do the same to you?" That has got to be the stupidest argument of all. All you need is someone who can't remember where it started to perpetuate the cycle. You can be a man and break the chain, or you can be petty and demand the other side go first. Where do you fall?
I do make fun of EVERYONE. I also do it to their face. I have a very self-depriacting sense of humor and have never had a real problem because the people I hang out with teand to have a sense of humor and know if someone's joking...in other words I don't hang out with many libs
I think it's very easy to call someone else "touchy" if you haven't walked in their shoes. I don't feel that we as a culture have really come to terms with racism, and if I was a person of colour I might or might not be all that crazy about "jokes" coming from whites.
Either way, it's not for you to say what somebody else "should" find funny or not.
" and if I was a person of colour I might or might not be all that crazy about "jokes" coming from whites. "
But jokes about blacks by chinese are ok? Or jokes by mexicans are ok? You're just being racist, yourself, by saying that. I've noticed that a lot of liberals hold on to the past when it comes to racism by whites in general, but totally forgive kkk leaders when they become democratic leaders. Why is that? Some demand reperations from the US for harm done to relatives over a hundred years ago, but forgive the kkk leader because he became a democrat 40 years ago. Wheres the equality in that one? And, speaking of reperations are the chinese/americans going to pay the blacks, how bout the mexican/americans or native/americans will they be forced to pay the reperations?
It gets pretty funny to read all of the huffy accusations of racism coming from conservatives on this thread. PC has done it several times. I guess it is some stupid attempt to divert the conversation from Beck's apparently racist comments.
Yeah - did you see how PC went careening from Val's innocuous statement all the way to bizarro theories about Chinese-Americans paying reparations to blacks? Unbelievable.
We should have foreseen how Beck's remarks would logically lead to discussion of Chinese-American slavery reparations payments. That is where these discussions always end up.
For the record, "Christian," Byrd was forgiven NOT because he became a Democrat, but because he saw the error of his ways, so to speak, and APOLOGIZED for his past actions.
Apologies don't matter to wingnuts. They can read minds and know for a fact that Byrd is lying. You can't argue with them. They are not grounded in reality.
there is your 1st problem.
Whether it's funny or not, as long as it's not meant to be hateful, ie,Michael Richards rant, change the channel. Learn to laugh at yourself.
Come here and prove you can. Throw out a joke against the right. So far, all I see is you defending their forms of humor. Personally, I don't approve of any commedian who makes a living primarily making fun of humans based on defects, sex, sexuality, color, or anything else along those lines. I'm a Steve Martin kinda fan.
I ran this past my program manager and was not allowed to say it on the air because it did not fit the stations' music
The George bush library is allegedly going to cost 500,000,000 dollars....exactly how many Dr. Suess books do you think he can buy with that? But judging by the Iraq War I'm sure he's more partial to Choose your own adventure.
You see, not only do you not know me well enough to call me a racist, you don't know me well enough to think that just 'cause I'm conservative that I'm a bush sychophant. Your ignorance precedes you
Just keep avoiding the truth, don't you? I never called you a racist, or a bigot, I just said this may be your kind of joke. If you are taking the punch line that seriously, than perhaps you are not as tolerant or even handed as you say. Perhaps you can dish it out better than you can take it?
It's amazing how easy it is to offend someone these days.
Do you have an ounce of sense? Your inabilty to admit to your generalization of me as a bigot has outed you as ignorant. I'm actually not offended. I'ts just funny to watch you try to spin it
no, you just can't handle the truth. I proved over and over again that you IMMEDIATELY assumed I called you a bigot and racist. You proved my point splendidly. It's easy to take offense to what someone thinks is a joke regardless of source. I take offense to Beck, you defend him, and then turn around and denounce me? that, my - um, well, not my friend, is hypocracy.
1, learn to spell, HYPOCRISY. 2, I'm eternally amazed by the liberal ability to never take ownership of what they say. I'm a conservative...do you think this is the first time someone has called me a racist? I pretty much get that everytime I post on the issue of race on media matters. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery sir. Your inability to admit that you generalize people who don't agree with you is sad.
OK, before I go beddy bye, I just have to respond to this too!
The game is called Savage said:
"I'm eternally amazed by the liberal ability to never take ownership of what they say…[sic] Your inability to admit that you generalize people who don't agree with you is sad."
"the people I hang out with teand to have a sense of humor and know if someone's joking...in other words I don't hang out with many libs."
"if something offends you it's not illegal but people who aspouse the "PC" think tend to act like it is."
"Don't forget that the left is the KING of eliminating alternative views (see, Doctrine, Fairness)."
"Your gross generalizations of cons clearly shows that your emotions control your logic...a common problem with the liberal mind."
Point being, sometimes, the pot really does call the kettle black...
I am sorry but the judges rule that since your IQ has been found to be roughly equivelent to that of a gerbil, you have been deemed unqualified to render any judgements about who is ignorant. Please look into adult education I suggest you start at a second grade level. When you reach the ability to perform any higher brain functions get back to us.
I never called you a Bush sycophant, but you're defending a blatant case of racism in this thread. That's supporting racism, i.e. being racist.
Whether it's funny or not, as long as it's not meant to be hateful, ie,Michael Richards rant, change the channel. Learn to laugh at yourself.
But that's the whole point! What he said was not at all funny and very hateful.
Why should we laugh at ourselves when you're so much funnier?
I am sure you DONT hang out with many libs. I am sure they are smart enough to aviod you like a plague rat
"I do make fun of EVERYONE. I also do it to their face. I have a very self-depriacting sense of humor and have never had a real problem because the people I hang out with teand to have a sense of humor and know if someone's joking...in other words I don't hang out with many libs." -- SRocks
That comment was just stupid, if you'll forgive me. I hang out with a lot of "libs," tease a lot, never have a real problem because the people I hang out with have a sense of humor and know if someone's joking. I also hang around with a lot of - well, what should I call them, "Bush tolerators?" - and the same holds true.
Why don't you try to get out more; meet more people? Maybe your closed-minded perspective on the world might improve.
My apologies to all for going off-topic...
"Yes, no one should be made fun of except white people." --savagerocks
You obviously haven't seen SouthPark, which makes fun of nearly everyone, but is still pretty funny.
Nobody has to "walk on eggshells" for that matter either. It would help if people who talked about race actually knew what they were talking about, which doesn't seem to be the case with Beck. Maybe if he had any friends of color, he could try out his material ahead of time and save himself the embarrassment. He seems to be too chickensh#t to do that though. Serves him right, IMO.
'I guess I never read the part of the bill of rights that gave us the right to be "unoffended"' --savagerocks
I never read that part either. I don't see where the bill of rights has anything remotely to do with this conversation either. Maybe you can enlighten me.
Maybe you should try to take your own medicine and not be so easily offended when us white guys are skewered.
My bill of rights point was that if something offends you it's not illegal but people who aspouse the "PC" think tend to act like it is. Hate speech should not be allowed but this was not hate speech
Just because something isn't illegal, that doesn't make it right.
No, it's not hate speech, and nobody is saying it is.
Why don't you make up your own mind about what offends you, and let other people decide what offends them? Really, none of this is all that complicated...
"Yes, no one should be made fun of except white people. People do have to walk on eggshells and it's ridiculous. Polotical correctness is out of control." ---------Savagerocks
Sounds like a course description for victimology 101.
Why don't you take your own advice and grow a thicker hide?
Yeah, this is what PC means to conservatives. WAAAAHHHHH, I know we have the RIGHT to be bigotted, racist and boorish but its not fair that people who actually care about the feelings of others CALL US on our boorish, bigotted and racist comments. We should have the right to be bigotted, racist and insensative WITHOUT anyone pointing OUT that we are being racist, bigotted, and boorish.
BWA ha ha ha ha ha
Selfserving thoughts Solon?
Try well thought out logic. No suprise you cant tell the difference
I feel the same way when I bring up the farse of "Mankind is creating global warming."
Gee and virtually ALL climate scientists NOT working for the enegry industry disagree. Let me think about this who has more credibility, about 200 Nobel prize winners for science or some guy posting on a website, hmmmm, better muse on that one a while
Here's your kinda joke, Savage...
what do you call a black man flying an airplane?
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A PILOT, you racist bigot!
Yes, of course I must be a racist because I'm defending someone who DIDN'T do anything wrong. Joe Biden was more offensive to blacks than Beck. Why is it that anyone who speaks out against the overblown idea of PC is labeled racist?
the best you have brought forth is a - what - 15 year old example? White men can't jump? Hey, stop focusing on the past. The right has controlled the airwaves for some time now. I see them making fun of cripples, blacks, women, gays, I see very little success of knocking that type of disparaging garbage off of the air. Saying "bush hid in a bunker after 9-11" has far more success than anything the right says. So drop the PC is outta control garbage. All you are doing is trying to turn up the volume in an effort to ELIMINATE alternate viewpoints. What goes around, comes around...
Don't forget that the left is the KING of eliminating alternative views (see, Doctrine, Fairness). And not just white people make fun of others. Watch a comedy bit, Dave Chapelle show, SNL, MADTV, "Little Man" (made by 2 black men) makes fun of midgets, wait, I mean little people, the same brothers (and they are actually brothers so don't twist my words) made "White Girls" and no one got sued, the Cohen brothers (jewish) have poked fun at evryone from siamese twins to fat chicks, enough examples 4 U?. My point is that it was just a joke. Get a sense of humor sir. Everyone's different it's people like you who can't laugh at yourselves
And others that overblow these kind of statements
Coen Brothers?
Fat girls?
Co-joined twins?
Typical, spouting off about something with absolutely no facts on your side.
Talk about being "dumber than a bag of hammers"'
Are you saying that these examples are inaccurate?
Yes I am. you talking about the Farrelly Brothers. They're not Jewish. I believe they're Irish.
OK, maybe that was wrong, but what of the rest? My point is it isn't just the evil white conservative that makes fun of people the way Snoopy implied.
You gave your hand away when you referred to the "Cohen" brothers as "Jewish". It had no bearing on this discussion. Why bring that into the discussion?
It's a discussion about race and the last time I checked Jewish people are a seperate race from whites, blacks, etc. My point was to let snoopy know that not just rightwing males make fun of other people
How sure are you that the Coen Brothers and the Farrelly brothers aren't right wing?
Neither pair makes political movies. Although I'm willing to bet that "The Dude" is one of us lefties.
You seem to be making an assumption based on your definition that the Coen brothers are not white?
Snoopy posted that the right wing are the only ones who made fun of others. The stereotype of rightwingers is that they are white. Might point was that all types of people make fun of others. Demographics clearly show that minorites including jewish people vote predominately left wing. I included a large number of examples so that at the very least one of them is in fact NOT going to be a con. It is not a provable fact but an opinion. Based on voter demographics it is almost certain that at least one of the writers of SNL, MADTV, the Wayans' brothers, Cohen brothers, etc, is a lib
"Snoopy posted that the right wing are the only ones who made fun of others."
Now there's a leap of faith. I challenge you to find that one piece of evidence that I said right wings are the ONLY ONES who made fun of others. This is gonna be fun...
Of course it is. Intelligent and creative people are predominantly liberal
Another selfserving thought.
THIS TIME, yes it was, that was the point DUH, selfserving, just like the point in the post I was responding to, try to keep up
Judaism is a religion, not a race... genius.
Judaism is a religion, not a race.... genius.
I think Jews are regarded not as a race but an ethnic group as well as a religious group. I've seen them referred to both ways. The reference I think being made is similar to the Irish or Arabs.
The discussion is fading fast into semantics. Time to grab the main point and move on.
"The discussion is fading fast into semantics. Time to grab the main point and move on."
Yes, let's move on. Savagerocks has posted 17 times defending Beck against racism, and with every post he's dug himself deeper into his own racist heart.
This isn't the first thread where he's done this. The Coulter thread last weekend had several hundred posts before most were flagged. As of this morning, there are 98 responses on this thread so far.
I'm amazed that there is so much support for the likes of Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, etc. These people are not victims, although they do play victims on the radio and TV. They are angry, middle aged, white people, who will do or say anything to promote the status quo.
WorryKing,
Honestly, why do you think the people you listed are ANGRY?
is it possible that you mistake PASSION for a lesser virtue.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Snoopy,
Stop protecting Charlie Brown, we all now he spent 4 years @ an islamic school. So what if lil sis has to wear a burka and your kibble is halal...deal with it.
Now I understand.
When they give their views, even though the views they express could be considered racist or at least incredibly insensitive, they're passionate.
When someone on the left gives theirs, they're traitors, appeasers, weak and worst of all, politically correct.
so what if you are an ignorant bigot. Get your sheet cleaned. People call other people on bigotry, deal with it.
" They are angry, middle aged, white people, who will do or say anything to promote the status quo. "
And you call right wingers racists? What about you? Denagrating, rasist trying to say only righties are racists. Get YOUR facts straight before you start calling others racists. Some like political humor, some like racist humor, some like both. But, apparently YOU are the decider on who is allowed to like what and are the ONE who gets to call them racist for liking a different humor than you like. Beck is funny to some and not funny to others. Sen Byrd is a racist to some and a hero to others. What difference does it make who likes what kind of comedy?? Did you ever look up the word hypocrit like rocks advised?
"Denagrating[sic], rasist[sic] trying to say only righties are racists." --PC
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Where did WK state "only righties are racists"? I must have missed that one.
PC divined that from what was posted with his amazing mind reading powers. It wasnt actually IN the post.
I think you can add the ability to defy all logic and a 2nd grade reading / comprehension level to PC's growing list of super powers.
"The discussion is fading fast into semantics. Time to grab the main point and move on."
Semantics concerns meaning-making, signification, and representation. Since we're talking about race -- which is the investment of social qualities in physical traits, ancestry, and geographic origin -- then the main point is indeed one of semantics.
"...the last time I checked Jewish people are a seperate race from whites, blacks, etc."
And exactly what resource did you consult when you checked on the question of Jewish racial purity? This is precisely the problem. You claim that liberals see race everywhere, and yet here you're projecting your own racial ideology.
I've said this before: biology and anthropology have abandoned race as an inherent genetic category. Race is, always has been, and always will be socially constructed. So are Jews a race? It depends on the social context. In Nazi Germany? Absolutely. In SavageRock's world? Apparently so.
This doesn't mean that race is meaningless. Like any social construct (like law, money, or language), race is invested with real material force and has real material consequences. In the American context, people identified as black were denied property and enslaved for a couple of centuries and systematically denied full rights of citizenship for nearly another century. The link between race, wealth, and political power was forged for centuries, and its effects are visible in demographic statistics that demonstrate unequal distribution of wealth, healthcare, and education today.
So if you want a color-blind society, that's great. More power to you. But the way to do that isn't to pretend that race doesn't exist. The way to do that is to undo all the work that went into establishing racial differences in the first place. Equalize access to health care. Eliminate the link between race and poverty. Decouple race from criminal profiles. Otherwise, your so-called "color blindness" is just a practice of selectively ignoring history.
Let me translate from wingnutese. Weinersux meant to say he had no idea what he was talking about, as usual, but he was still right.
Wow, 1st I ever heard that the "fairness doctrine" was geared towards stifling opposing points of view. I've REALLY got to hear this explanation!
You NEVER know what you are talking about the Fairness Doctrine never eliminated any point of view. It only mandated that in certain instances the other side be heard. Now unless you can explain how having the other side heard ELIMINATES the original viewpoint then once again, as usual, YOU HAVE NO POINT.
But M.S. told him that it was designed to eliminate points of view so it MUST BE TRUE! No logic or proof required!
Savage,How do you know which statement Blacks find more offensive? Did someone do a poll? I wonder why I never get solicited to participate in these conservative sponsored polls seeking to find out what Blacks think and feel. The truth is Beck doesn’t know anything about Black people nor does he care to know about them. They make him uncomfortable remember? Beck insinuating that to be a regular and thus an acceptable guy is the equivalent of being a "White Guy" is bigoted. BTW, I didn't excuse Biden's articulate statement but Beck's statement is truly ignorant. It must be something wrong with people who go out of their way to offend others; it must be some kind of personality disorder, but boy does it pay well
Snoopy,
Do you realize you show yourself to be intolerant as any racist?
Savagerocks is only offering an opinion regarding PC and you are yelling he's a racist bigot?
Look in the mirror. You're a classic example of the kettle calling the pot... well you get the picture.
Thanks, the vitriol here sometimes gets out of control
"Thanks, the vitriol here sometimes gets out of control" --savagerocks
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You should know. You put out most of it. How many times have you or AA accused other posters of racism? Do you even read the blather you write?
You are coloring your reply with your preconcieved opinion. I point out the ignorant bigotry, prejudice, and intolerance by many of posters here, not racism.
You are so eager to jump in and accuse people like me when you all but ignore all the name calling and labeling that so many of your fellow posters. As long as someone uses name calling against conservatives, you liberals seem to think it is permissible to toss out words like racist, hateful, and other epithets simply because we disagree with the slant that MMFA puts on it's very ideologically driven threads.
Yes, so many of you look the other way as long as the venom is directed at conservatives. Is that not the same sort of soft bigotry that so many of you rail against? Do you not see that so many of you have determined it is okay to be prejudiced just because someone has a conservative opinion?
The sad fact is many of you don't. I see it every day in every thread.
Yeah, this is what PC means to conservatives. WAAAAHHHHH, I know we have the RIGHT to be bigotted, racist and boorish but its not fair that people who actually care about the feelings of others CALL US on our boorish, bigotted and racist comments. We should have the right to be bigotted, racist and insensative WITHOUT anyone pointing OUT that we are being racist, bigotted, and boorish. - SOLON
Why are you pretending all that namecalling and rudeness is coming from us lefties? Have you READ any of IdiotWeinerocksinthehads posts? He calls us idiots, racists, denigrates us in virtually every post. Yet you have implied here that the problem is exclusively ours. I am as rude as anyone on this site but you and I have rarely gone to namecalling and we have both been here quite a while that is because you usally dont engage that way. Now you are free to say it doesnt matter who starts it that it shouldnt go on anyway but if you are honest you should at least point both ways since it clearly COMES from both directions. I am simply not going to take it and ask politely for another anymore. I dont care what you or anyone else thinks about that but if the rightwingers STOP with their namecalling and denigration I will be happy to do the same
Back at yah.
"You are coloring your reply with your preconcieved opinion." --aa
"I see it every day in every thread." --aa
It strikes me as odd that someone who apparently relishes and attempts to point out irony (often even when none exists) doesn't apparently see the irony here.
From the poster who called someone an idiot in one of his first posts on this thread. When will you guys GET that God did not give you a special dispensation saying you had an exclusive franchise on being rude.
see my above comment (not the joke).
Still, "racist" is something you shouldn't through around. It loses it's meanig
It's a joke, why are you taking it personally? You just said you hang around people who can tell the difference.
Calling someone a racist you don't even know isn't a joke you moron. And my point is that if you throw around the "racist" label it loses it's meaning
there you go, right into the gutter. Took the joke personally. But if it went the other way...
I didn't take the joke personally, it was the "racist bigot" part. Can you READ sir?
ANd write. that line was part of the joke. That republican friend of mine told the very same joke tonight, it was actually quite funny watching everyone at the table scratch their heads and wonder what the punch line was. lighten up...
Well, I'm sorry your friend has a problem with black pilots but I'm not going to leave a plane if my pilot happens to be darker than I
Looking back, I see that after you've explained it, that it is the punch line and is part of the joke. Perhaps next time you can use one of the common emoticons or *jk* to signify that you were not actually calling Savagerocks a racist bigot.
Unfortunately the discussion got sidetracked by this misinterpretation.
Disregard my comment regarding your intolerance.
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that, but it makes sense now that I see it. Thank you for pointing that out.
You havent head that joke? Its an old one.
Its funny to see YOU call someone else a moron. You do KNOW that you are the most ignorant poster on this site dont you? I mean even YOU cant really be so dumb that you dont get how incredibly stupid you are can you?
"Throw around" savagecrock, not "through" around, through is the word that morons replace with 'thru'; and 'meanig'? You complained about somebody misspelling hypocrit, yet before that you misspelled political. Stop whining about typos, you either misspell or mis-type as much as anybody.
"Still, "racist" is something you shouldn't through(sic) around. It loses it's(sic) meanig(sic)"
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As the above quote came from someone who told another poster to "learn to spell," I have to ask what the meaning of "meanig" is. Also, it is impossible to "through" something around, and "it's" means "it is," and is not the correct word.
Perhaps you should look in a mirror. You may discover the "meanig" of "racist."
AnotherAmerican,
Do you realize you show yourself to be intolerant as any racist?
Snoopy is only offering an opinion regarding PC and you are yelling he's a racist bigot?
Look in the mirror. You're a classic example of the kettle calling the pot... well you get the picture.
Sorry,
You're repition of my comment does not make any sense. No matter. My comment was based on the miscommunication of Snoopy's punch line to his joke. Lets move on.
"You're repition of my comment does not make any sense." --aa
Exactly. It didn't make any sense the first time either. Glad to see you got the point.
"You're repition of my comment does not make any sense."
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"You're"? "Repition"?
You really shouldn't skip your ESL classes.
"I'm commenting on political correctness idiot"
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I assume the last word in that sentence is your signature.
What the right means by "political correctness" is their inability to be flaming bigoted gasbags without being called on it.
And my point moron, is that the rightwing uses snivels PC everytime they are called for their boorish, racist or bigotted comments.
methinks you give way to much credit to the success of the PC movement. White men can't jump was made in '92. I surely hope your 15 year old example isn't the best you have to offer?
On the other hand, my righty friend tonight congratulated me for doing my part to hand the next presidency to the republicans. His off the cuff statement? "America isn't ready for a woman or black president". So what is he telling me? Is he saying that republicans will unite and vote in block against either based on their sex or race? Perhaps you can read between the lines and explain what he really said...
Your friend is entitled to his opinion. But it is my contention that America IS ready for a back or woman president. For example I would gladly vote for Colin Powell which probably suprises you sense you think I'm a racist
I never called you a racist, I just told a joke I thought you could appreciate. It may surprise you to find I would vote for him too. I like what he stands for, and think it a crying shame the bush org would make him a scapegoat for their failure to "sell" a war to the american people.
"Racist Bigot" - Snoopy
I think that pretty much is you calling me a racist. You can try to spin your way out of it but you clearly have a short memory.
nope, you assumed up front that me saying it was your type of joke meant it was a reflection upon you. See how easy it is to piss someone off with that type of rhetoric? The right does it all the time and thinks nothing of it. Now maybe, just maybe, you can see how easy it is to offend someone.
Are you as stupid as you sound? You called me a bigot because I don't worship at the PC alter. Your gross generalizations of cons clearly shows that your emotions control your logic...a common problem with the liberal mind
once again, I never called you a bigot. You are really easily offended, aren't you? that was the punch line to the joke. I guess you don't find jokes like that amusing?
That was a smooth example but save your keystrokes, Snoop. Irony is lost on this type of conservative.
"Are you as stupid as you sound?"
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These posts make sound to you? Perhaps you are as delusional as your words suggest.
And your gross generalizetions of liberals shows what? I mean besides the FACT you are totally immune to recognition of your own unintentional irony, I particularly love that after denigrating a poster for their gross generalizations of liberals you follow immediatly with THIS...a common problem with the liberal mind
Man, this has to be the funniest thread I've seen in quite sometime... On the flip side it's kind of sad at the same time.
I agree I am stuck somewhere between amusement and sympathy
You're all fussing about Beck while one of your own is the real racist. LOL!
CHUCK'S FOOT IN MOUTH
By IAN BISHOP Post Correspondent
Obama-Hill backpedal.February 12, 2007 -- SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Sen. Chuck Schumer has been backpedaling furiously since saying that the country is not ready to have Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on the same ticket.
"Well, first woman and first black, you don't want to - it may be hard," New York's senior senator said in an interview on public television.
"You know, the American people, I think they would vote for a woman. And I think they would vote for a black, an African-American," he added. "But tickets are good to have some balance."
"One of [our] own"? This article isn't about Schumer. And until his statements somehow become conservative misinformation, it's not part of Media Matters' stated purpose.
But hey, why are you even accusing us of hypocrisy when Trent Lott made that statement about Strom Thurmond for president?
Schumers statement most certainly qualifies under MMFA's Mission Statement. It doesn't have to be a conservative/Republican making the comment.
I don't see where anything Taz related about Shumer is racist or even conservative misinformation. It was some excerpt of a conversation about potential Democratic tickets and how they would play out.
Really? Saying America would vote for an African-American or a woman but not both on the same ticket? I think that would be pretty strongly criticized around here if a right-winger said that.
He wasn't saying what he would do. He is speculating what voters would do. The same speculation was made about people not being able to vote for a Catholic when John Kennedy ran, a woman when Geraldine Ferraro was a VP candidate and Lieberman when he was a VP candidate. Shumer apparently doesn't have a very high opinion of the American voter. Neither do I for that matter. How is it racist to say race may matter to other people?
I don't see the cause for outrage here either, no matter who said it. I have the same concerns myself.
I think this is an attempt to have it both ways by the republicans. Dems are often criticized for being wishy-washy, scared of offending anyone, qualifying every single word. This thread is a good example, with savage complaining about people being "P.C.". Schumer could have taken the time to explain he's talking about voters (which seems sort of obvious), but he didn't, so now there's fake outrage. Damned if you do...
Funny how right-wingers complain about "political correctness" and "freedom of speech" until a democrat makes a statement that they can screech about, no matter how obviously phony their reactions are.
So where's the evidence that voters would do that? Isn't that a baseless suggestion? I see threads on here all the time about baseless suggestions or accusations by conservatives. And I also find his last comment to be pretty dubious. I think a ticket needs balance. Really, explain that. Why isn't a white woman and a black man plenty balanced?
It is balanced. His point about America's willingness to vote for a Clinton-Obama ticket is valid (as Beck shows) but Schumer's "balance" statement was stupid and reveals that he's got his own issues, like Biden.
If the dishonest Taz had shown you the rest of the NY Post article, you would see that Schumer was talking about geographical "balance". Not racial or gender balance.
Well, we've only elected a white christian man into office for almost 220 years straight. The very fact that there is a public discussion about Obama's race and Hillary's gender proves the point. The "balance", obviously, is a white christian male. It's a valid concern that people would be afraid of voting for a white woman or a black man, much less both at the same time. It's hard to imagine a more severe case of imbalance than two historic firsts on the same ticket.
Perhaps if that's true then the Democratic Party isn't as progressive as it claims to be. You don't need the votes of people who so-called "think that way". I still think it's a dubious comment.
We need every vote we can get - Democrats, independents, and disaffected Republicans. We just need to be careful not to pander to "people who think that way."
Yes, because pandering to people who think that way would be too similar to the Southern Strategy.
Oh come on, Open_Mind. We all know the Southern Strategy is a myth because conservatives are colorblind and would never exploit race issues.
Again, you are right. They tricked me with their Republican voodoo. What fooled me is how Republicans apparently apologized for something many of them claimed never happened?
"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican Chairman to tell you we were wrong." --RNC Chairman, Ken Mehlman
The party is as progressive as the basic nature of politics allows it to be. It doesn't do us a lot of good to go on political suicide missions for the sake of progressive brownie points.
If it was a straight popular vote I might think a Clinton/Obama ticket has a better shot, but with the electoral system the possibility of alienating all of the south and much of the central west (the same results Kerry got) is too real to be ignored.
Again, if Clinton and Obama are the top two candidates on the Democratic side, then why is it political suicide to put them together? It makes no sense to me, this notion of needing "balance" by including a white male. It's neanderthal logic. If the general public wouldn't elect both, why would we elect one? If the general public would elect one, why wouldn't we elect both? The logic seems disconnected to me.
"It makes no sense to me, this notion of needing "balance" by including a white male." --bruce
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I am not sure Schumer was absolutely refering to that when he said "balance". Often "balance" regards to a range of ideologies/interests as well as geographical balance. The Democrats have often tried to put a Southerner on the ticket to appeal to Southern voters. It isn't 100% clear what Schumer is referring to. It is mind-reading to say he is specifically referring to White Males with regards to "balance" here.
Your assertion is basically "if they go that far, then they can go farther". Well, we don't know that yet. We shot for the moon first, Mars comes later, right? One groundbreaking event at a time.
By your logic, if the top two candidates were an open homosexual and an athiest, that would be the best ticket. It's possible for America to be ready for one or the other, but not both at the same time. I would love to see an America that's ready to vote for any combination of religion/race/gender/sexual orientation, but whether we have that society right now is highly uncertain. It's definitely a valid concern.
I wouldn't put atheism in with race, gender or sexual orientation since I consider atheism to be a personal choice. But anyway, before a Clinton-Obama ticket became reality, I'm sure it will have been polled to death to determine whether or not it can win. So from that standpoint, it's probably a moot point. I just disagree with the assumption on the front end that the ticket can't win because it lacks "balance".
Like I said, "balance" usually refers to ideological/geographical diversity on a ticket. It is not conclusive that Schumer was talking strictly about gender and/or race with regards to "balance". I have never heard talk of ethnic or gender "balance" with regards to Gore/Lieberman or Mondale/Ferraro or any other candidates. In fact, much talk was put out that the Mondale/Ferraro ticket was unbalanced -- Too liberal and not enough geographical diversity. Democrats have usually put out at least one candidate from the South and a centrist/liberal combination on the ticket. That is what "balance" usually refers to when regarding the Democratic Presidential ticket.
I found this on the NY Post's website. It backs up my argument completely. Presumably this is where Taz got the original story. "My only concern is that it's not a balanced ticket. . . . I think a ticket should have geographic balance - usually with a Southerner." --Chuck Schumer
It looks like Schumer has cleared that up already. The rest of you are reading minds at this point.
It did sound like he meant something else from the context provided, but that clears it up completely. Good thinking!
Thanks for looking that up. We must have geographic balance, regardless of the quality of the candidate! I don't like that logic any better. Your logic of ideological balance at least made sense.
"We must have geographic balance, regardless of the quality of the candidate!" --bruce
I think you just described perfectly why John Edwards was the VP candidate last time. The argument at the time was that Edwards could bring southern states into play. Of course, it didn't happen.
I agree that it is pretty silly, but the Democrats have had their best successes while doing it (and their worst failures when they didn't). I don't think the practice will change anytime soon.
Religion is a big factor, whether a choice or not. It would be another big first, probably harder to attain than a black or female president.
It's certainly possible that ticket could win, but as Schumer said "It would be hard". In major political campaigns even the slightest perceived negative is amplified a hundredfold. He may be right and he may be wrong, but I really don't think it's unreasonable to say.
Bruce,
True, but at least it's headed and the right direction and not backwards. Beck is a backward man and only a RACIST would somehow think calling a person of color "White" is a compliment. If he wanted to say that Obama transends the usual color divide as one of the bigot defenders claims Beck meant than Beck should have said that. Obama is an intelleigent man who just so happens to have pretty brown skin. Color bilind doesn't mean you have to see all people as White does it? Beck said this to be controversial becuase he likes to stay in the limelight which seems to be a common denominator among race baiters.
"So where's the evidence that voters would do that? Isn't that a baseless suggestion?" --Bruce
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They were speculating. Anyone who watches a talk show for five seconds knows you don't really need to base speculation on anything. It is completely and utterly worthless and baseless opinion. If you want to criticize that, then I would agree. The original suggestion was that it was racist. I don't agree with that suggestion at all.
I couldn't have posed the question better myself. But what you ask rhetorically, I ask sincerely. That a politician of African ancestry can be taken seriously as a candidate is significant. That Beck, Limbaugh, and company devote time debating Obama's degree of blackness, Africanness, or whiteness, rather than his qualifications, is the issue.
You're right -- media of all political persuasions have described Obama in terms of ancestry. This isn't remarkable. As I recall, Limbaugh made a point of John Kerry's French ancestor. What's curious is why Beck and Limbaugh spend time trying to fit Obama onto a racial chart.
Frankly, I welcome this kind of discourse from Limbaugh and Beck. It's politically suicidal for them to engage in this kind of late-19th century racial classification. So please, by all means, defend Beck and Limbaugh. I'd love to see them continue. They will undermine Obama's campaign by questioning his racial purity just as effectively as Limbaugh undermined Claie McCaskill's campaign by questioning the authenticity of Michael J. Fox's symptoms.
Ok here is a joke. Beck is so brainless he may as well be in a coma
"Coservatives aren't the ONLY ones pointing out that he's black...everytime he's on ANY news, radio, print or TV it is pointed out."
News, radio, print and TV is still conservatives.
Duh!
I think that is what Beck is saying. He thinks Obama transcends race. In my opinion, not only Obama, but Blackwell in Ohio as well and others that I can't think of at the moment. We've come to the point in our history where race and gender no longer matter.
Democrats have been attacking conservative minorities and conservative women in politics because of their views for quite some time now. Republicans, like Democrats, will choose to vote for Obama based on his positions and not his skin. People will decide to support Hillary based on her positions. People today do not care who the person is, but they do care for what they stand for.
Oh.. As a side note, Blackwell, as a Republican, got beat because the previous Governor Taft, was embroiled in some financial scandals, not because of his skin.
BECK: Yeah, I -- you know, I was driving in today, and I was seeing -- because I saw this piece with him on 60 Minutes -- and I thought to myself, he is -- he's very white in many ways.
Oh yeah, Beck was paying Obama a compliment right there.
"Oh.. As a side note, Blackwell, as a Republican, got beat because the previous Governor Taft, was embroiled in some financial scandals, not because of his skin."
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Actually, Blackwell was beaten because of his conflicts of interest and his attempts to cheat on behalf of GWBush. You're right, it had nothing to do with his skin, and all to do the the lack of content of his character.
Blackwell got trounced because he is a terminally corrupt ideologue who was in the pocket of the increasingly unpopular religious right.
And had he said it that way it wouldnt have ended up here. Do you think someone that turns he transends race into the bilge Beck spewed has any business on national TV?
The term itself, "RACIST", is often misrepresented.
The rightwing, particularly, are fond of equating "racist" with anyone who even NOTICES race.
To be a true racist, a person must demonstrate a further element than just NOTICING race, and that is to wish HARM, DISADVANTAGE, or the EXCLUSION of a race, simply because of a belief that races are different, and one's own race is superior.
For example, Affirmative Action was meant as a remedy to centuries of harm, disadvantage, and exclusion of people of color from the "mainstream" of American society. From public water fountains to the workplace, the WHITE race acted in a manner that demonstrated a belief in the supremacy of the white race, and set other races, particularly blacks, as INFERIOR, unentitled to equal treatment in any manner.
Affirmative Action was NECESSARY, because people on their own resisted any attempt to change this discriminatory and grossly unfair treatment. AA was the first American law to actually back up a declaration of non-discrimination with the TEETH of punishment if discrimination were demonstrably continued. Naturally, the racists among us were outraged at the program, because it represented the government FORCING them to be fair to races they considered inferior.
Did Affirmative Action have the INTENT to harm, disadvantage, or EXCLUDE any race from American Society? To the contrary, its entire intent was to INCLUDE. To the extent that AA "forced" blacks to be hired, and this may have displaced a white worker, there was no part of AA that would exclude that white worker from American society as a whole (which was the condition that AA sought to remedy for black folks). The white worker, far from being excluded, had many opportunities at employment. Thus, the AA program was NOT "racist", in formulation or execution.
Now, to Beck. What is Beck's INTENT when it comes to Obama and his race? Is Beck hoping to simply REPORT on Obama, or to enhance Obama's future ambitions? Or does Beck hope to harm, disadvantage or exclude Obama? This is the test for racism.
If Beck is neutral on the prospect of an Obama presidency, or supportive, this would demonstrate no racist INTENT as Beck discusses the various issues surrounding a presidential run. If, on the other hand, Beck should come down as AGAINST an Obama presidency, then his intent would "color" any discussion he might have about race in a manner designed to harm.
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Glenn Beck is brainless . . . he might as well be an imbecile {oh wait, he is} . . .
What in hell is going on here? Fifty or a hundred years ago, according to the "One Drop Rule," a person like Obama, the result of an interracial relationship, there would've been NO QUESTION that he was "black;" because according to the racist white power structure, if you had so much as ONE DROP of black blood in you, you were BLACK . . . for the purpose of segregation and racial exclusion, of course . . .
Now, in this "enlightened" {yea right} era, Beck, Limpballs, Melanie Morgan, and other supposedly "color-blind" pundits see Obama, the result of an interracial relationship, a man who is accomplished and articulate . . . and seem to take GREAT PAINS to say he's "halfrican", "colorless"; in short, ANYTHING BUT "black" . . .
Why is that??!!
I think your friend is mistaken.
Ready or not, there's a good chance it'll happen.
I think it's his for the taking if Colin Powell decides to run. (However, I don't think it'll happen.)
Wouldn't it be great if both parties nominated minority candidates? ;-)
my comment above was meant for snoopy. Sorry for the confusion.
I would vote for collin over barack, he has way more experience and has proven himself to be level headed and able to think for himself. Barack may have those qualities, but needs more experience to prove it.
I could vote for Colin, but he lost a lot of credibility with me with the now infamous UN presentation he made before the war. He needs to apologize or adequately explain his actions to earn my vote.
Will he campaign with his little jar of white powder?
His chance of ever being elected are nil since his performance at the UN.
"I think it's his for the taking if Colin Powell decides to run."
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Well, he's a bald-faced liar, which is the first requirement to be able to run on the GOP ticket.
I think Beck is calling Obama white because he wants Obama on his side. Like the "racial draft" sketch on Chapelle's Show ("In a surprise announcement, OJ Simpson is black again!")
Glen, You Are Such A Schmuck…
One wonders is the little twerp remembers Clarence Thomas…Supreme Court justice Thomas, that is. Might that colorful commentator utter something similar?
"STU: I just -- I don't even understand anymore."
A very precise synopsis of the effect of listening to Glenn Beck speak...
I reiterate my comments from another thread... Beck is just plain DUMB. Not a hateful racist... just stupid.
Have to wonder about Beck's motivation. I think he is selling Obama as an Uncle Tom in order to put black voters off the Illinois senator.
"Have to wonder about Beck's motivation."
Roundhouse, I think you're giving Glenn Beck way too much credit to even assume that he's clever enough to have any sort of motive for the things he says. I think his deepest thoughts on any given day may be something like "Do we have any more of those cookies with the little pieces of chocolate in them?" Maybe I just haven't watched him enough but the few times I have I'm thinking "Forrest Gump".
Probably right Irony, but he doesn't need to be clever to follow RNC directives.
RNC Directives..?
We're on the same side here in our low regard for Glenn Beck so please understand I'm not trying to be argumentative... but I doubt seriously if the RNC would trust Beck enough as a key messenger for their directives. Limbaugh, yes... Hannity, yea... but Beck, in his own peculiar way, with his philosophies, is too independent. Remember Beck's believes he's a "thinker". I don't believe the RNC would consider him reliable enough to consistently deliver the "message" in the manner they wanted. Sure, he's on their side... no doubt. And they may throw him a bone from time to time... but generally he's too goofy for them to rely on him day to day as one of their mouthpieces. Call him a second-string mouthpiece, if you like, who only gets action thrown his way from time to time.
Let me explain some of what I mean when I call Beck "goofy". Some guys like Limbaugh, I would bet when they're with close friends at parties or playing golf you're likely to hear some pretty revealing racism that they can't say publicly or on the air. Beck? I'd bet he truly believes he's not a racist in any way or that he harbors any condescending views about blacks or other minorities.
Just my opinions...
Beck appeals to conservative white viewers who, like him, are uncomfortable around black people. Seeing him on television makes them more comfortable about hanging on to their own habitual bigotry.
Round,
I don't think that's what he's doing and if he is it wouldn't work anyway. The Blacks I know who even knows who Beck is can't stand him. We know exactly how he feels about us. As a matter of fact, anytime right wingers go after someone and become obsessed with denigrating them Blacks will research on the person and often finds that the attacked person is someone they tend to share a poltical philosophy with. Beck is bigot as are most of the right wing mouth pieces. They must go out of their way to insult Black people and all other minorities. That's how they get street cred. Racist bigots the whole lot of them.
If we still lived in slavery days or even Jim Crow, Obama would never be mistaken for a YT. As for Beck, he's as colorless as a KKK hoodie. I don't know how he can stand it. Get some sun dude.
"...and I thought to myself, he is -- he's very white in many ways."
Yes, I often think the very same thing when I'm dealing with black or biracial people. Sometimes, if they do something nice, I'll say "that was very white of you."
I've got to confess, I didn't actually listen to the clip--the text was painful enough.
Basically, Beck is the moron here. He has the nerve to suggest he is apolitical rather often as well, which is O'Lielly's routine. Why on earth this idiot was hired by a major network is beyond me. I recall seeing a clip of him talking to an expert on the environmental effects of producing beef, and there he was, eating a messy burger and stifling his laughter. The guest was not in the studio but on a monitor, so 'ol Beck didn't even have the nerve to insult the guy face to face.
Cretinous, Usless, Negligible Tosser, as the Brits might say of his ilk.
Truly, I have no freaking clue what Beck is trying to argue here. Somehow, I think, he's trying to complain that he's being dogged by the PC police. But why the hell is he so obsessed about Obama's race? I mean, if he can't avoid saying something stupid every time he opens his mouth, couldn't he, you know, just focus on Obama's positions on the issues?
Soul Brother Number One Glenn Beck should know better when it comes to "Blackness Ratings." If and when Beck learns to read and perhaps study some history, he will learn that there's a wide array of useful classifications based on the level of "Colored Blood" in a given person. Ya got yer Maroons, Octaroons, Mulattoes and High Yellers plus other sundry types. C'mon Beck, get your racial profile right!
In all seriousness, this episode reminds me of a scene in Do the Right Thing where John Turturro's and Spike Lee's characters have a conversation about black athletes and entertainers who Turturro likes and when Lee points this out, Turtuuro responds by saying "they're not black... they're more than black." This perfectly encapsulates the ignorance of people like Beck.
P.S. Glenn baby, I think you're due for another session at the tanning salon...
I can’t help but shake my head after hearing Mr. Beck stumble over himself trying to rationalize his obviously racist opinions about Sen. Obama. Why can’t he accept people for who they are instead of trying to fit them into stereotypes? It seems that a person of mixed race ancestry confounded Glenn Beck to the point where even his producer couldn’t understand what he was trying to say. I’m really astounded that this man is given access to the public airwaves where he so unashamedly lets the ignorance fall out of his mouth.
This isn't about Beck being funny or anything else. Whether it is racist, that depends on your definition.Personally I would say it is just as bad as when he spoke to the Congressman about supporting the terrorists.The thing that bothers me is Beck saying that after he watched the 60Minutes show, it appeared to him that Obama spoke more like a white person would be expected to. So therefore, does he think Obama is better than your normal black person? If he speaks more like Beck expects his white friends to, then Obama is "colourless"? Why does Beck say he might as well be white? Does that mean Beck can't see past his own prejudices that whites are better? Then he says when Obama talked about being out and hailing a cab, then Beck noticed his colour. Was it because he mentionned being in Harlem that all of a sudden Obama is no longer "colourless" and now definitely "black"?Sorry, but there is no way the US is ready for anyone other than your normal older white type for President, otherwise their colour or gender would a non issue and so far that is what Americans can't stop talking about. If you have it a blazing question all over the media whether the US is ready for a black or a woman - then you are not! Just hopefully someone, anyone who will listen to more than his gut will be elected.
Whenever the Glenn Becks of the world make racists comments and people react to it, it's because they are "conservatives", or it's because they are not being "politically correct" (or technically correct).
MMFA has documented the many instances of bigoted comments by Beck, but as with Limbaugh, poor Glenn is just misunderstood, taken out of context or a is an "evil conservative".
Glenn is a self proclaimed "thinker", so how does a "thinker" make so many stupid comments?
Glenn - perhaps a segment on the "Real Story" - "Thinker or Just Plain Stupid"
Beck is dumb - he might as well have a lobotomy
Over Thanksgiving holidays we visited my brother in Ohio. Throughout the long weekend we took to the street to throw the football around.
We had a great time, kids and adults.
Every time we hit the street a young smiling black boy named Michael would run out and join us.
That kid had great natural talent and an easy smile.
As sure as he would run to join us (sometimes without his shoes..eager as he was) a group of other young black kids would gather on their porch and taunt Michael....
"Stop trying to be WHITE..."
The young man also received a heated scolding once which commenced before his door even closed behind him from some adult female.
Of all the adults with cell phones attached to their who came and went from Michael's home that long weekend no one cared enough to spend some time tossing the pig skin around with him.
They cared just enough to let him be ridiculed by his own culture.
how long till the easy smile and smooth athleticism is replaced with a froward brow and a Heru mentality.
God Bless you Michael and don't stop believing.
"how long till the easy smile and smooth athleticism is replaced with a froward brow and a Heru mentality."
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As long as it takes to figure out WTF a "froward" brow is supposed to be. I'll assume you meant "furrowed," but from reading your tripe I don't think that word is in your vocabulary. "Froward" means "turned away from," or "adverse," neither of which apply to a brow.
ETRW,
You are right of course, but i like it better as posted.
i thought LIBs were against convention?
"i thought LIBs were against convention?"
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You are wrong twice.
1) You know nothing about "LIBs".
2) You didn't think.
liberals crying racism again. i watched the show and listened to becks radio show yesterday by chance and theres no question that he's not out of line and rather speaking what most folks are thinking. to cry racism and just foolish and waste of reading. but thats all this site does. edits and takes out of context for all to see. modern day journalism at its best. dont expect our younger generations to have a factual clue about anything when media matters is where they may get their "news".
Wait a minute!
This is a topic about Glenn Beck.
Where does "modern day journalism at its best" come into the picture.
Everyone on the right who's been defending him for the last week or so has used the fact that he is a comedian and a commentator not a "journalist".
Which is he?
Yes and while your ranting kbelx1029, please inform everyone about using capital letters and punctuation. Also...
"to cry racism and just foolish and waste of reading. but thats all this site does. edits and takes out of context for"
WTF is that? When you graduate from 9th grade english, please feel free to come back and post (actually most 1st graders could write a better sentence.)
STU: I mean, I think it's a legitimate question.
That's interesting. The local conservatives are always sniffing about how cons are blessedly above questions about one's race; they don't see race, they only judge people by the content of their character, etc. etc. Yet here's one of their own remarking that Obama's racial heritage is "a legitimate question."
Very interesting indeed.
Would you agree that Obama is getting way more coverage because he's black than he would get if he were white? Seems to me it's his biggest asset right now and is his separator from the other candidates.
I agree that all of the attention he's getting from conservatives is because of his blackness (or is it? Maybe Beck will decide for us) and his Muslim heritage. Those are the only things you ever hear them talk about, which surprises me since they're so colorblind.
I have read the argument that if Obama weren't black he would not be a viable candidate based on his accomplisments to date. It's kind of an affirmative action argument I guess.
I have no doubt that many people believe that. I wonder if those same people were equally concerned about Clarence Thomas.
..or Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln another smart IL attorney served for eight years in the IL state legislature and two years as an IL representative in congress.That was the extent of his politcal experience before running for president, and hey he was one of the greatest presidents we've ever had. Obama's limited senatorial experience WILL not be a factor in my consideration.
It appears both Obama and his wife are also joining all the "conservatives" focusing on his race, based on their comments during the 60 Minutes interview this past Sunday;
"If you look African American in this society, you're treated as an African American".
Then his wife said "...as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station".
I have said that Obama's race is irrelevant, but now they are making it an issue, apparently.
So? Obama has never pretended to be colorblind - unlike many self-serving conservatives.
So it's Obama to highlight his race, but anyone else that touches it is a racist?
I meant OK for Obama to highlight his race
No, it's okay for anybody to talk about Obama's race. Considering the rarity of black presidential front- (or near front-) runners, it would be weird if people weren't discussing it. I'm just pointing out that Beck and others like him who brag on their purported colorblindness and then bring up race as a "legitimate question" are hypocrites.
So, you're saying that those who don't brag about their "colorblindness" are free to discuss Obama's race. So if I said that Obama, as a black man, could get shot going to the gas station, that would be OK?
It would be fine by me, and I think a lot more honest than clinging to some fantastical notion of literal colorblindness.
Then I admire your honesty and consistency, thanks Rusty.
And apparently you still don't know the definition of racism. Obama and his wife aren't "making it an issue." It IS an issue, and it has been an issue for him his entire life. There's absolutely no comparison between those 60- minutes quotes and the racist garbage spewed by Beck, Limbaugh, et al. Obama is perfectly entitled to discuss his race, as is anyone who is capable of doing it in a way that isn't bigoted and racist.
An issue? Oh, so they are victims now? Really? Well, it's a good thing that white people can't get shot going to the gas station.
And for you to be arbiter of racism is hysterical.
Of course, if Obama would just stop mentioning he is black, he wouldn't be one.
I think you aren't too far off the mark from what Tommy (and unfortunately many others) actually believes. They think that if we stop discussing race, racism will disappear.
You made the leap to "victim," so that says more about your racist point of view than anything else. Once again, anyone is free to discuss race, but many people--such as yourself--aren't capable of doing it without revealing their ignorance, resentment and hatred.
And yes, white people can get shot going to the gas station too, but that's a meaningless observation.
Keep it up Sweety, you are on the verge, I would suppose, of finally getting banned. If any more of your hateful, insulting posts are deleted, you'll be speechless.
This is coming from the person who just had literally dozens of posts deleted in the Anne Coulter slavery-apology thread?
Tommy you must be flagging all of his comments then. Obviously (see S.R.) MMFA is not deleting posts due to a few insults or crude comments.
And just for the record, I've had exactly one post removed since I began posting here a year or so ago, so Tommy's claim that I'm somehow on the verge of being banned is completely baseless.
"Keep it up Sweety, you are on the verge, I would suppose, of finally getting banned. If any more of your hateful, insulting posts are deleted, you'll be speechless."
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Of course, the above was neither hateful nor insulting... On the Bizarro planet, AKA Tommyworld.
Baloney he got his impetus the way many politicians do. He blew the audience away with his speech at the convention. He is charismatic and articulate. That is a powerful combination in politics. Now personally I prefer more experience and track record in my candidates and he almost certainly wouldnt get my vote in the primary. He got his legitimacy as a candidate however in a very traditional way
Is Rudy Giuliani Italian enough?
These guys are ridiculous trying to show how they aren't racist. The very fact that they are making any kind of big deal over it is sign that they aren't colorblind as they wish us (and themselves) to believe. It's like the white guy going up to the black guy and hugging him, saying "I got nothing against you people". The very act is a sign that he doesn't know how to treat people the same, that inherent in his MO is an innate reaction to black people that is different. They need to just get over it. Who cares if Obama is white, black or purple. And who cares if Hillary is a woman for that matter? What matters is what they think, believe and whether their actions would match their rhetoric. After six plus years of militant imperialism and aggression based on lies almost anyone would be better (though they'd have a handful cleaning up the messes left). It's about time we get over these label issues and look at issues and solutions to real problems instead. The media, left right and center in this country is as much to blame as these kinds of morons reprinted here.
Beck's comment - much to the disagreement of the rightwingers around here -- is inherenlty racist. Why Does Beck feel the need to say "he's practically white" in the first place? To Beck, that's the goal...
Why should it matter? Beck and his followers will claim that dumbguy Beck is just talking about that which cannot be discussed. See? He's a uniter. BS. To Beck and his kind, it is very important to be "white", be considered "white"... etc.
How about talking about what Obama stands for, huh? If you're such a non-PC, everyguy... how about talking about his intellect? His goals? His integrity? All much more important (in my mind) than the color of his skin? But then again, I don't have to appeal to Beck's audience... I don't have to convinced that Obama is 'okay' ... even though he's black. Beck, once again, proves he just don't get it.
Exactly. And that's only half of the inherent racism within the statement. The other half is how he arrived at the idea in the first place. Obama is only "colorless" to Beck because he doesn't fit Beck's stereotype of a black man. Beck's entire train of thought here is simply flat-out racist.
Here's another instance where you have a white person neatly trying to catorgorize the one & only liberal black candidate on the ticket as being white....this is no different than Biden saying he's "articulate"
The problem that I've found with our populace, as a black man, is there is just no common ground for people like Beck, Limberger, Savage & the other right wing dittoheads(I should also include many of my white peers). They would somehow rather try to "colorize" a black man or woman as being clean, articulate or white(here's one I especially hate---he/she is a credit to their race), than to say he/she is a qualified, intellegent or intellectual and is worthy of running for office.
Since the wound continues to be reopened again & again by pests like Beck & Limberger...I'd like to remind these guys that 200+ years of political policies for this country have been formulated & run by white men. Well meaning ethnic folk of multiple backgrounds(women included) only need a chance to, for lack of a better saying, get a piece of the pie so we can put this country on a inclusive course, where everyone can reap the benefits, which I imagine would make these same right wingers very jealous. It might be idealistic but I like this labeling situation removed from the body politic.
Savagecrock: "It's a discussion about race and the last time I checked Jewish people are a seperate race from whites, blacks, etc."
I don't know who ever taught you what a 'race' is, bonehead, but being jewish is a religious affiliation, not an ethnicity or race. There are Chinese people that are jewish. The last time YOU checked any facts Lazarus was a boy.
As Dilbert once said, but which could be said about Glenn Beck:
"since when has ignorance become a perspective"
Seltz,
The problem is Dilbert in not real, has no depth not unlike Libs.
How anyone can honestly say that the "Scale of Blackness" is not a prominent slice of life for black America is fooling themselves.
i promise you after spending endless nights on hoop courts as the only or one of the only gringos with all else AA it is very much a topic.
I don't know the nuisance of all the shades but i promise you they go into arguments whether there was indeed a foul or not.
Calling Beck on his comment is disingenuous when contrasted to prominence the discussion is given in black America.
Huh? Do you speak like you write?
Gringo? Were the AAs you played basketball with from Europe? Mexico?
You come across as someone who doesn't have a clue about how any minority views the world. No, I'm not calling you a racist...just ignorant.
BK,
"Gringo? Were the AAs you played basketball with from Europe? Mexico?
You come across as someone who doesn't have a clue about how any minority views the world. No, I'm not calling you a racist...just ignorant."
Again rather than deal with subject of the post ...disparage.
What I said clearly was...that the darkness of a players skin was actually a factor in determining if a foul actually occurred or not.
This is not conjecture on a third hand story but facts as they were and are.
Therefore;
Blasting Beck for tapping into an accepted school of reason in the AA Community is disingenuous.
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I have played much pick-up basketball in my life. I have never heard of such an argument as to whether a foul occurred or not amongst black players because of the shade of another player's skin. There is no basis that I can see where your premise (and by extension your entire argument) is valid.
Even if I do accept your single anecdote was true, you haven't demonstrated it is true everywhere amongst other black people. Do you think all black people think the same? Is that your reasoning?
blind,
even if not true everywhere, Beacon NY could not have been the only place.
how it would happen is there would be foul and then a disagreement, to settle it one would invariably call the other the n word........then arguments would brake out who was darker.
like i said, the arguments and nuisances escaped me.
There was another divide more prevalent believe it or not, every night of games would end with the drug users battling the non - users.
But you said: "Blasting Beck for tapping into an accepted school of reason in the AA Community is disingenuous."
You haven't demonstrated that this is an "accepted school of reason" anywhere, but where you play basketball.
Again, the only possible way you can turn this anecdote into an "accepted school of reason in the AA Community" is to extrapolate that all AA's think alike everywhere. I can't think of a more offensive notion. Do all white people think alike in your view?
Open,
I've lived in a Black body for forty eight years and Nostalgics basketball scenario is one I've never heard of. Hung around basketball courst a lot as a teen and my brother played lots of pick-uo games as well as played on a YMCA league. I've never heard of the foul being called along color lines in my life. Never.
As long as you say things like THIS:
The problem is Dilbert in not real, has no depth not unlike Libs.
You SNIVELLING like a six year old girl about libs, desparaging YOU, shows you to be a moron. If you dont like mud being thrown at YOU stop throwing mud. Or keep comically snivelling its all the same to me
"What I said clearly was...that the darkness of a players skin was actually a factor in determining if a foul actually occurred or not."
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Actually, you did not say this clearly at all. What you said was, "I don't know the nuisance of all the shades but i promise you they go into arguments whether there was indeed a foul or not."
Not only do you apparently not know the difference between "nuisance" and "nuance," the sentence you posted doesn't even begin to make any kind of logical sense.
If that's what it looks like inside your head, I am amazed that you can feed yourself without leaving fork marks in your forehead. If, indeed, you can.
No it wasnt clear. I mistook what he said for a discussion about blackness having to do with hairstyles gym wear. Actually some pretty funny stuff, in San Bernardino, that of course was in the 80's and 90s. I never heard any discussion of a foul call based on skin color. Could be a regional thing.
Blasting Beck for tapping into an accepted school of reason in the AA Community is disingenuous.
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Do you really blieve that Beck knows what an accepted school of reason is in the Black community. Beck said he didn't have any Black friends so I doubt he has ANY ties with the AA community. Exactly how is he communicating with the AA community? Is there another Black Like Me experiement funded by Beck?
I think Beck is unwittingly showing the benefit of Affirmative Action programs. Beck obviously has few if any black friends to bounce ideas off of, so he goes out and often makes himself a fool on international TV.
One of the main arguments for Affirmative Action is that it exposes students to a wider array of points of view. If Beck had been exposed to these views at some point, he likely would not be so ignorant.
Why would anyone want their kid to grow up and be as ignorant as Glenn Beck?
You're a real winner, Nosty. Thank you for your insights.
Seltz,
I'm only here to help, thanks.
By the way Seltzer may be the most underated bev's going.
Wow, I am shocked that we indeed have something in common. Until I shredded my hamstring I never went anywhere without a basketball in my back seat. I have been the only white guy on many a ballcourt many a day and though there was most often zero conversation I have heard that issue come up. I do take umbrage however at two things first that a fictional character cant have something important, profound or substantial to say. That is just dumb. Attica Finch didnt have anything relevant to say about race? Man, rent a brain cell. The second one is a pat on your back for comedy. Libs have no substance? I suppose Coulter and insane Weiner do? There is more substance by the average liberal on a bad DAY than most conservative spewage accidentally touches in a lifetime
The character was Atticus Finch, not Attica, Solon.
The prison wasn't named after him.
It sure is. Even with the preview function my fingers type two sentences behind my brain. I sometimes wonder which is worse my typing or my spelling.
I see the latest right wing trend is to say something that they know is racist and was said with the intention to be offensive and dare someone to call them out on it. Beck is a professional troll, and like Savage according to the bigots that post here he is only speaking the truth. Racist rants = truth telling. Now I see. Let the healing begin.
Some of these posts make me ashamed to be part of the human race. I just don't understand how people can have such a limited and sad world view.... I just don't get it!?
"Some of these posts make me ashamed to be part of the human race."
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So now you're being humanist. I don't know how our Martian brothers will take that statement...
Did you even have one of those days were you just cannot stand the human race? My contempt is evenly divided towards everyone so I'm pretty sure that I'm not a bigot in the traditional sense of the word.
I know this is off topic (kind of)
But does anyone know any good Mormon jokes? I wonder how funny Beck would find it if people started "joking" around about his religion? That fancy sold gold vanishing Mormon bible does state that all "dark people" are evil to begin with. I want one of those MAGICAL divining hats just like Joseph Smith use to have that he used to con people with!
I know that I'm going to get a number of posts on how intolerant I'm being about his religion so to head that off.... You pick your religion not your race.
"... And not just white people make fun of others. Watch a comedy bit, Dave Chapelle show, SNL, MADTV, "Little Man" (made by 2 black men) makes fun of midgets, wait, I mean little people, the same brothers (and they are actually brothers so don't twist my words) made "White Girls" and no one got sued, the Cohen brothers (jewish) have poked fun at evryone from siamese twins to fat chicks, enough examples 4 U?. My point is that it was just a joke. Get a sense of humor sir. Everyone's different it's people like you who can't laugh at yourselves." SAVAGEROCKS
The one problem with this argument is that these examples are all COMEDIES! Comedy shows, comedy movies, etc... Glenn Beck's show is NOT a comedy. It's a "news" and opinion show on a news channel. I've give Glenn some credit to have the balls to say what he does, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he comes off as an ignorant bigot. I'm VERY surprised that CNN keeps this guy, let alone pays him.
You are proving the point that most critics don't even WATCH Beck. They just jump on the hater bandwagon.
The Beck show tag line is "the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment." The show is definitely NOT just a news show, it also provides comedy. Your comments carry no wieght without credibility.
Try watching or listening. Olbermann provides a news show. Too bad he won't at least admit he's a liberal.
The Beck show tag line is "the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment."
Does "fusion" mean "absence"?
Mr Obama may not be "black" he is certainly not white. I see him as being CLEAR and although clear is not a colour....... that is the POINT of his Candidacy. Thank you.
Good response letter
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When did did this Beck guy become the authority on a person's "Blackness"?
Barack Obama - The Audacity of Hope
Glenn Beck - The Audacity of a Dope
Dosen't matter what he is !!!!!! Does anybody really think he has a chance at been president? Come on get real.
Dosen't [sic] matter what he is !!!!!! Does anybody really think he has a chance at been [sic] president? Come on get real. - Greasy Chicken
You're absolutely right . . . our next prez should be a the son and grandson of oilmen who gets into Harvard and Yale on leagcy appointments, serves in the ANG stateside to avoid service in an overseas conflict, and tanks every business venture he enters into . . .
OH WAIT, we already tried that - how'd that work out?
SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS...
The Afro-Americans claiming he isn't "black" are racists. And so is Beck.
Can we cut out this AA crap? It's the BLACK community and WHITE community. The only reason there are differences between them is because people can't let go of the past and keep bringing up color in the first place.
I'm white, not European American. Michael Jordan is black. Barak Obama is bi-racial, NOT black. Tiger Woods, Jason Kidd, Derek Jeter... all bi-racial, a wonderful result of the melting pot that is the USA.
Cannon,Let's not do that, and the term AA is not crap. I am an American of mostly African ancestry, although there is a definite admixture of European ancestry as well. Several family members were fair skinned and light eyed; they had physical traits that were obviously European in origin. AA and Black can be used interchangeably as White and European specific combinations like Italian-American, Irish-American, German-American etc. It's nothing wrong with Americans acknowledging their ancestral origins or observing some of the traditions of those origins. We all know that America is a nation of immigrants, that's a fact. That's what makes us so unique. We're a beautiful tapestry of humanity. I can wave my flag on the 4th of July, celebrate Black history month, and drink green beer on St. Patrick’s Day. That's the beauty of being an American.
Well putt Lynn. I just wish we could refer to each other as Americans, plain and simple. :-)
What's stopping you?
"Beck is stupid."
"He might as well be...Rush."