Dietl to imams: "Call your cousin up there, Ali Baba Boo, and go by cab"
On the March 14 edition of Fox News' Your World With Neil Cavuto, Richard "Bo" Dietl, a private investigator and former New York City Police Department detective, asserted that a recent lawsuit filed by six imams who were removed from a US Airways flight in 2006 could be a deliberate attempt to pressure the travel industry to employ laxer security measures, facilitating terrorist acts on airplanes. Dietl also suggested that instead of flying, passengers such as the aforementioned imams should "call their cousin up there, Ali Baba Boo, and go by cab."
After host Neil Cavuto claimed that, in light of the pending US Airways lawsuit, airlines may feel it is "not worth it" to remove people like the imams, Dietl stated that anyone who boards a plane and says something "off-color," be they "Arabic or not," will be "removed from that plane and that's the way ... we have to deal" with that. Dietl went on to question the motives of the imams on the US Airways flight: "Was this a dry run or was it this publicity, [where] they would've had the lawyer ready to go?"
From the March 14 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:
CAVUTO: Well, now, you're afraid that airlines looking at this -- looking at a potential lawsuit, looking at losing a lot of money as a result -- are going to say, "not worth it."
DIETL: No, no. It's not going to happen like that. I just -- I'd like somebody to try and go on a plane and say something off-color. I don't care if you're Arabic or not; you're going to get removed from that plane and that's the way we have -- we have to deal with there's something going on. Was this a dry run or was it this publicity -- they would've had the lawyer ready to go? And they want to sue, so this way we back off, says we're able to slip things in. It's a little mentaltization [sic].
CAVUTO: Oh, now, that's -- that's interesting.
DIETL: Yeah, you think about that.
CAVUTO: So, you think that this sidetracks us when, in fact, that's setting up for the next --
DIETL: They came into the plane, the five -- five of them -- six of them traveled together. One sits in first class, two in the middle, the other guy's in the back. They order these extensions for the belt, they're talking about it. They're praying out loud on the plane, "Allah, Allah, Allah." Hey, if they don't like the plane, what they should just do. They should call their cousin up there, Mohammed. Take a taxi cab the next time. Stay off the damn plane.
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DIETL: Hold on. The first-class guy jumped and went to the back, back and forth.
CAVUTO: That's right.
DIETL: They entered the plane. When the first class was boarding, all six of them come on. Unusual. You know what? Take a yellow cab. Call your cousin up there, Ali Baba Boo, and go by cab. All right?
CAVUTO: I'm not going to pursue that.
These scumball IMAMS are setting you up. They are known to have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and the PLO. These people I would not trust, PERIOD.
Evil, take a breath and think about it.
No Islamic terrorist is going to publicly pray before he commits terrorism in this country.
No one is going to put little blinking lights on bombs all over our cities if their intention is to blow us up.
We've becoming a nation of bedwetters.
We really need to get a grip.
If terrorists are able to instill fear so easily, then the terrorists have already won.
No all terrorist carry bombs dewd. Listen, they are a funky group, period. I do not trust them. Man, you think anyone against them lives in fear? How pathetic.
Man, you think anyone against them lives in fear?
Well, it sure sounds like those dang Muslims got your undies in a bunch to me.
The radical ones, yes. I have Muslim freinds you hater.
Explain iwth ration.
Why did two of them ask for seatbelt extentions when they where average weight?
Why did they get out of their assigned seats? Why did they sit exactly like the 9/11 hijackers?
It is not only hte praying. Figures you and other ONLY use that example.
Man. You really are paranoid. What use are seatbelt extensions? They would seem to make terribly stupid weapons if that is what you are thinking.
Secondly, I don't see where these men were acting in any significant way like the 9-11 hijackers. From the seating charts I have seen, they just sat in pairs throughout the plane. If they had all sat together, would that have been "suspicious" as well? I would guess it would have been.
The praying seems to have been the spark that ignited the ugly bigoted paranoia.
Let me wrap a seat belt extender around your throat, and tell me if it bothers you.
Ofcourse, everyone failed to anser the question.
Do you know what works even better? A belt. I never travel without mine.
If I wanted to strangle someone, I'd use my belt. Or jam my pen into the persons carotid artery. Or use the aluminum can that my Pepsi was served in to cut the persons throat. Or I could even use the plastic cup as a weapon, not to mention the plastic knife, fork, spoon or spork.
There are a lot of ways to harm someone. Most of them far easier than a seat belt extender.
"Ofcourse, everyone failed to anser the question." --Evillib
That is because the question was irrelevant. Maybe the Imams were going to steal them and sell them on the lucrative seatbelt extension black market. What difference does it make?
It has already been demonstrated that seatbelt extenders make pretty stupid weapons. Any passenger could bring on much more dangerous and effective, yet seemingly benign items without calling any attention to themselves as well as WK noted.
It has already been demonstrated that seatbelt extenders make pretty stupid weapons.
Who demonstrated what now? I saw no formal demonstration.
If seatbelt extensions were considered credible weapons they wouldnt be given out to passengers on request. Your attempt at a point is weak
Try again Solon. The whole Security Check at the airport is a half scam. All smoke. Not to long ago I carried a damn knife on. They can be a valid weapon. Want me to test it on you?
Feel free to try tough guy. Did the airline GIVE you that knife? Oh they didnt? Then it is irrelevant to my POINT. The AIRLINES give out seatbelt extensions and if they thought they were credible weapons they wouldnt.
"Let me wrap a seat belt extender around your throat, and tell me if it bothers you."--EL
So you have two freaking seat-belt extenders. What are you going to do about the other passengers on the plane? Do you think they are all just going to stand around wiith their hands in their pockets just waiting for their turn to be strangled after what everyone knows happened on 9/11?
Thanks for the further demonstration of how stupid it would be to use a seat-belt extender as a weapon. Besides, it takes a while to asphyxiate someone from what I understand with such a wide garotte. I doubt you could strangle even one person to death before you were ultimately overtaken.
You were right about my sloppy metric conversion yesterday Open.
I was all hopped up on pain killers due to minor surgery and should not have been at the keyboard.
Hey. No need to mention it. You are one of my favorite posters here, so I just felt an obligation to help you out a bit. We all make mistakes sometimes.
:)
So, I'm riding on this plane. Suddenly, the dude sitting next to me who identified himself as evillib earlier in conversation, grabs his seatbelt extender and wraps it around my throat. I'm like *gurgle gurgle ('cuz I can't get any real, like vocal sounds to come out, you know?), but I was bothered. And the dude sitting across the aisle is just sitting there watching this. Well, naturally without being able to get any air because of the seatbelt extender, after about a 60 seconds I start to pass out, right? Well the dude across the aisle, and the guy next to him and the guy in front of us and the guy behind us and the stewardesses are all just sitting there watching this as I start to pass out. Luckily, another stewardess came by with a bag of peanuts just as I was losing consciousness, and the evildude lets go to grab a bag. I escaped, but I was lucky.
I hope the rest of you learn a lesson from this, of how lethal one dude with a seatbelt extender can be when it's wrapped around your neck for 90 seconds and nobody around realizes what's going on.
Who Cares!
You weren't on the airplane. Once again Evil recklessly implies their motives. Dude you are whacked. Really.
And you must fund terrorist.
Him no fund terrorist. Him pay tax. Him fund insurgent.
LOLOLOLOL.....You mean our Military?
And you must be a complete moron
And you a shep.
Good job EL keep raising the ignorance bar to all new hieghts.
responding to the troll is useless
First, these guys prayed twice. Muslims only prayed once.
There is a list of about a dozen odd activities they did including purposely sitting in the wrong seats to block exits.
The terrorists already won when they blew up the world trade center in part because people were too politically correct to turn in muslims who were learning to fly planes without caring how to land them.
There were many pieces of the puzzle that were overlooked concerning the attacks on 9/11.
What was not overlooked was the muslims taking flying lessons.
"In July 2001, about two months before the attacks, an FBI agent in Phoenix wrote a memo in which he questioned whether al Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden might be involved in a plot involving a large number of Middle Eastern men taking aviation lessons in the United States.
Agents in the bureau's Minneapolis office unsuccessfully tried to get permission from FBI headquarters to seek a search warrant for the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested on an immigration charge three weeks before the attacks after arousing suspicions at a Minnesota flight school. Moussaoui has since been charged as a conspirator in the September 11 attacks."
(The above 2 paragraphs were from a CNN report on 5/30/2002)
Those charged with protecting us ignored the warnings from the field agents. You imply from this post and others you've made in the past, that it's the fault of those on the left. This is bigger than left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative or Democrat vs. Republican.
It's time to engage in a discussion, not just throw stones.
There was nothing in my original post to blame either side. I just made a statement. If we're fighting terrorists, and we are living in fear, we've let them win. I refuse to live in fear.
The fascists need to feed the fear. It's the only thing that allows them to grab more power.
You have no point. ONE prayer is a ritual prayer done in a specific manner at a specific time of day, who in their right minds begrudges a religious person a prayer when they are on or about to board a plane. Flying is scary to many people if they had been Catholic just because they had gone to mass in the morning no one would say anything about them praying before they entered a plane.
But they're moslems! They must be up to no good! Didn't you get the latest AIPAC propaganda about them? Everyone knows all moslems are evil terrorists who blow up planes full of infidels....Israel and our corporofascist media says so.
Leatherhead!
You and Evil make a perfect couple, why don't you two get married. You know that it is reconized in several states now.
Take your homosexual thoughts and go to hell in a bucket.
"people were too politically correct to turn in muslims who were learning to fly planes"
Sure. Right. The reason "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." was ignored was because Rice and Bush were just too dam politically correct.
And an FBI agent in Arizona (IIRC) alerted higher-ups about the flying. As is typical of the Bush administration, her alert was met with ignorance.
Please provide the source. My friend went to the mosques of 2 of the imams. She is exactly the kind of American that conservatives claim to want. Not only is she a "good Muslim", she's an outstanding asset to America.
Good grades? Check.
Abstinent? Check.
Drug-free? Check.
Loving towards Jews and Christians? Check.
Trust me, I've tried prodding her before. I asked her what her imam had to say about the Muhammad cartoon fiasco and things of that nature. His words on the Muhammad cartoons: "They're offensive but it is wrong to react with such violence."
Oh, I also mentioned to her that someone said they had Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas connections or whatever. Her response: "WHAT?! UH, NO."
So please provide a legitimate source that proves they have terrorist connections.
And what makes her the expert again?
So when are you going to provide the "legitimate source"? Or are you just gonna babble on?
Gee, I don't know, maybe the fact that she's known 2 of the 6 imams for basically her entire life and attended their services weekly..?
Hey, I did NEVER imply they where all bad, did I?
You asked her what made her source such an expert, well she knew two of them and what made YOU such an expert did YOU know them? Or did you pull this nonsense from that dark dank place in your anatomy you keep your head?
Like whaleschit, Bo has found his specific gravity as a contributor to the FOX NOISE machine.
I am sooooo glad that he is no longer on the force.
I've always felt safe in New York, even in the seventies. But now that I know that someone with the IQ of a hamster is able to become a detective, I'm going to be watching out next time I'm there.
Please stop denigrating hamsters.
Just a thought here - but has this website ever once highlighted the disrespectful and hideous comments levied at Christians over the airwaves? Or is just Muslims?
LOLOLOLOLOL..... That would go against their agenda. And I understand. This site does not claim to be, "Fair and Balanced"....
But since when do people of faith belong exclusively to one ideology or another? I know some very liberal, very religious, liberals. And I know a very conservative, very strict Muslim. Why is it automatically assumed that if it's disrespectful slurs against Muslims, that's conservative misinformation - and the other way around for Christianity?
Insulting slurs against anyone's faith should be condemned here, not just one - that is bias.
I hear ya Tommy. That is my issue with Ultra anything.
Tommy you are absolutely correct.
I was angry in a previous thread(regarding Beck i think) where the posters were attacking him for being Mormon. It is disqusting to attack someone's religion whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any other faith.
Bravo to you both!!!
Tommy you have apoint but Bo Dietel seems to be consistently spewing his fire toward members of the Muslim faith. He will also retain his weekly seat on MSNBC Imus where he displays bigot discussion with that hate crew.
You are correct, but fox has repeatedly had this guy on and he has made anti Muslim remarks multiple times.
Why do they keep bringing him back on the air?
Because FOX and it's loyal cult-viewers are on Crusade against Islam.
Just a thought here - but has this website ever once highlighted the disrespectful and hideous comments levied at Christians over the airwaves? Or is just Muslims? ...by tommy
Tommy I think we ALL know the answer to that...
I've also come to find over the course of my 2 years of posting here, that a number of Liberal posters regularly bash Christianity. And bash anyone who speaks unkindly of Islam. Interesting indeed...
Dietl is a crude guy, BUT he may be on to something here...wouldn't surprise me at all IF: "a recent lawsuit filed by six imams who were removed from a US Airways flight in 2006 could be a deliberate attempt to pressure the travel industry to employ laxer security measures, facilitating terrorist acts on airplanes."
Why not? Actually a very sly move.
We dengrate FUNDY "Christians."
Not all of them.
Becuase most (not all,) fundy Christians, are intolerant greedy con artists.
As to Deitl, he's a bigot, no ifs, ands or buts.
...like you know a large number of them personally...sure.
Give me a break. How come everytime someone is the least bit sympathetic towards any Muslum the come back is "what about the poor christians". That is not much of an aurgument let alone on topic.Quit trying to protect "your side" and look at this from a non bias point of view.
Would the laxer security measures be allowing people to pray without repercussion? Egad! I'll never fly again...
When conservatives start attacking their base with misinformation about Christians I am certain MMFA will cover it. Didnt they cover the rightwing antipathy toward Mormans in the Romnney thread or doesnt that count?
Don't you get it? Mormons are not Christians so it doesn't count. ;)
(note: satire employed above; my family is Mormon.)
When you find conservatives and right-wingers (like Dietl) making hateful comments about Christians (rather than Muslims, for instance) please do send your tips to Media Matters.
Lotsa luck with that.
hey while were at mabey we should target shaved headed ex military white guys who may have a beef aginst the govt if they drive to close to a fed building oh wait !!! we better not do that we have way to many of them now to track p.s not tryin to infer our vets would do anything like that just tryin to make a point oh and dietl is half a moron I think he has a peice or 2 missin
I saw him once on a Daily Show segment....the man has Tourettes. Every third word was cussing. He's obviously a loonie.
fox new agenda seems to be abusing
-democrats
-liberals
-muslims
Only the last one will end these people. Iam not even a muslim.
Bo Dietl . . . is he STILL trying to resurrect his nonexistant acting career, which began - and ended - with his ten seconds on "GoodFellas"?
Bo, you're wasting your time . . . don't you know the money's in hate radio?
"Just a thought here - but has this website ever once highlighted the disrespectful and hideous comments levied at Christians over the airwaves? Or is just Muslims?"
Care to enlighten us on these comments?
What has that got to do with anything on this thread????????
not a dammed thing, which is why someon acting as a troll (tommy) spewed it here, to distract from the subject
Members of the Choir may depart from the topic at any time, and will be congratulated for doing so.
Non-members of the Choir who are deemed to be off-topic will be the focus of a pecking party.
I'm no choir member. Highlight one of these "disrespectful and hideous comments levied at Christians over the airwaves" you're so eager to discuss. Who knows? You may win me over...
Tommy claimed that there were "disgusting" attacks against Christianity in the media. He provided no examples. That's what my post has to do with this thread.
I was wondering if someone could produce evidence of a large national campaign or widespread movement by the media in the US that is against Christians?
Fox Hates Muslims.
Dietl and Cavuto's whole premise is wrong. They're saying that if the imams file a lawsuit, the airlines will just throw up their hands and stop enforcing security measures out of fear of losing money. That is ridiculous because the potential for financial loss of not enforcing tight security far outweighs the potential financial loss of fighting the occasional lawsuit from disgruntled passengers.
If Cavuto had any sense as a "financial analyst" he would understand this.
Right. And aren't the security standards for the airlines dictated by the Federal government anyway?
I don't see how a lawsuit against an airline could possibly change Federal policy.
But then what the hell do I know, I thought that Cavuto was an entertainer not a "financial analyst".
Worrier, there are definitely federal security measures, but I think the airlines also have their own policies about when to remove passengers. Those seem to be what Neal and Bo were talking about, although with these guys, it can be hard to tell.
Good point you made above about the seat-belt extenders, by the way.
What good point? Yuou mean how I could knock you to your feet in less than 2 seconds with the buckle? Or how I could wrap it around your neck and squeeze the life out of you? It can be used as a weapon.
No, Worrier's point about how there are any number of things that one could carry onto an airplane that would make just as good, or better, weapons than a seat-belt extender. Also the fact that six imams could not take over an airplane with two seat-belt extenders.
You think so Rusty? How about if it is your wife that I have the belt wrapped around? You bothered now? You gonna stand up like some hero? How about 6 violent people on a airplane?
But the real story here is, they where SETTING US UP! DO I really feel they where going to hijack? No..... But is this fishy at the least? You bet you ars it is. They need to learn tollerence, and forgivness. But they are to Barberic and Stupid to do so. To PROUD.
You are going off the deep end, EL. Worrier's point wasn't that seat-belt extenders can't be used as weapons; it was that there are plenty of equivalent or better weapons one could bring directly onto the airplane - like belts or pens - without having to ask for them once on board. You conspiracy theorists fixate on the seat-belt extenders, and they're easily the weakest evidence that the imams were up to something.
I happen to disagree.
Okay. What do you think your weakest evidence is?
until it is thrown out, none of it.
You might be able to take out one or two passengers on the plane (only 2 of the imams asked for seatbelt extenders as you said). What are you going to do about all of the other passengers on the plane? I would not hesitate to take on an attacker and I am sure others would join me. After what happened on 9-11 these supposed hijackers would last only a few seconds with such pitiful weapons.
Besides a garotte is not as effective if it is that wide. Piano wire would be easy to get on the plane and would be much more quick and effective. Your point is worthless as usual. It is a pity you don't see that. Just stubborn.
Yeah you wrap your belt around my wifes neck I break YOUR neck with my bare hands its actually quite easy to do and I know at least six ways to do it. Meanwhile it would take at least two minutes for you to really hurt my wife with that belt and three seconds tops for me to break your neck, its ludicrous. Or perhaps I could take my bic pen and stab it into your eye which would kill you even faster. Your attempt at a point is ludicrous.
Not everyone is a 6th degree blackbelt like you Solon. You are in a serious state of deniel. I could use my filed nails to vut your throat. but for you to flat out deny that these could be used as a weapon, shows just how patheticaly stupid you are.
When I get half as stupid as you are in every post I will commit ritual supuku. I am not denying they can be used as weapons as anyone capable of higher brain function unlike you can see I am saying they are a poor choice of weapons and virtually ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. Man this isnt that complicated I would have thought even someone as incredibly ignorant as YOU ought to be able to catch on, better go find a six year old to explain all this to you.
Yes. EL is clinging to the idea that it is indeed possible to use a seat-belt extender as a weapon instead of whether it is a good idea to use one.
Reminds me of Chris Rock:
"You can drive a car with your feet! That doesn't make it a good idea!"
I'm waiting for Tommy and others to show us where, in the media, there are hateful things being said about Christians. Come on now, show us the hate that Muslims encounter. You can't. Why? Because it's hard being a so called persecuted majority like Christians in America. And even when someone rightly or wrongly criticizes a Christian religion (think John Edwards' bloggers) they get jumped all over, receive death threats, even though the criticisms leveled were just that, criticisms. It's sort of like the so called "War on Christmas", it, for the most part, does not exist.
Hmmm, so now these scumbags want to sue the people that found their activity suspsious. Is that ok with you all?
They have the right to sue, the same as you or anyone else. Courts will decide if they have a case or not-that's how things work here.
Exactly. I'm quite certain that if a right wing conservative Christian were praying before they got onto a plane, and were praying when they were on the plane (out loud), and were removed FOR praying, there would be an outcry like you wouldn't believe, along with tons of lawsuits, and those lawsuits most likely would be lead by the "dreaded" ACLU, you can almost bank on that one.
So Evil, if you feel like you're so persecuted in your own religious beliefs, find yourself a lawyer, and sue the pants off of whoever you think is bringing you down. I'm betting you can't find anyone.
When the ACLU spends more than a token amount of its resources defending Christians, it will have some credibility. Until then, the occasional obligatory advocacy for Christians' rights has you, the impressionable, convinced that it is irreplaceable as THE defender of civil liberties in this country.
FYI, it is only one of many.
The ACLU has few opportunities to defend Christians because, as members of the overwhelmingly majority religion in the U.S., Christians are rarely discriminated against.
You mean like these cases that they have recently worked on?:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/28163prs20070129.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/28739prs20070227.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/27673prs20061212.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/26970prs20060929.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/index.html
Don't go fooling yourself with this bit that the ACLU does not support Christianity, because they do, have done it, and will continue to do it where people of faith and religion are persecuted over their religion (this does include all religions, not just Christianity). And, the ACLU adheres to a strict definition of the Constitution, so what is your problem with that? I hope nothing. But I don't hope for much. Stop listening to the right wing talking heads who have been saying that the ACLU is "BAD" but they never back it up with anything. Can you show me something that the ACLU has done that you think is bad, and anti-Constitutional? I'm betting that you indeed, cannot. But good luck with that anyway.
*crickets*
Funny how that happens when you bring facts to light... They scatter, like cockroaches.
I never scattter. You guys, you use your wings to fly away.
Well, we're still waiting for some of your bretheren to come back and say how the ACLU isn't defending Christians, but they can't, because it just ain't true.
I never said they did not. They will defend ABOUT ANYONE. Royal scum bags.
They do defend Royal Scumbags like Limbaugh and would defend a royal moron like YOU too.
I would deny them helping me, period.
I don't think you would ever have to worry about that. The ACLU only bothers to defend people who happen to be right about a Constitutional issue. From what I have seen in your posts, that possibility would be pretty remote in your case.
No you dont flee you just repeat the dumbest, weakest talking points the rightwing can come up with as IF they made sense. On Planet Earth they dont. They may play on Planet wingnut though
You are a old pathic blind hippie.
I am a middle aged hippy with more perception on a bad day than you will EVER see in your entire life. You need to back away from the koolaid it is damaging your substandard brain and you dont have any brain cells to spare. Lose one more you are a talking monkey
You mean if I lose one more I join your sub-human clan?
Ah no the braindead subhuman moronic cons are YOUR clan. Try to keep up.
THEY ARE SUING THE PASSENGERS! But what is the point, I am arguing with pathetic spinless twirps. You would sue you nextdoor neighbore for tripping at their house, wouldn't ya?
There are reports they are suing the passengers who reported them as suspicious as a form of prejudice. Not sure that has any merit the courts will decide you are arguing with people capable of higher brain function, since you are so ignorant and bigoted you apparantly DONT have such capability you simply assign a venal motive. Its a weak and pathetic diversion from your absolute stupidity
You are DEAD PROOF OF A MENTAL DISORDER. I know, I know Savage wrote that book about your pathetic kind. You know, yellow belly, sue your neighbore type?
I keep telling you that you are just so incredibly stupid you arent even capable of recognizing higher brain function, any hope of accomplishing it of course long ago being shown a hopless fantasy for you. I have never sued anyone. I am sure you read a book once being the Weinerdog worshipper you are. His books are written for morons just like you. So jealous of the smart kids in class, so consumed with insecurity because you have been so stupid for so long that you yearn to feel better than somebody. ANYBODY. Weinerdog lashes out at liberals and in his insanity and lack of basic decency plays on your stupidity and insecurity telling you that you are better than liberals, better than somebody. Its a lie of course but you will never be bright enough to get that. The thing is Weinerdogman isnt that stupid. He KNOWS he is playing the incredibly stupid like you for fools. He may hate people like me for thinking for myself but trust me he has nothing but contempt for the complete morons who take him seriously. He LAUGHS at people like you when he is drinking his hundred year old Cognac and smoking his Cuban cigar.
Ya know solon, I like you. Why dont you come over here, and have your way with my sister. She wont mind.....
That was actually a good one, but no thank you I am a married man. I am also a religious man who has serious issues with adultery, however thanks for the offer.
No body to right or worng for you hugh? Pathetic. They are asking to sue the passengers that thought they where doing the right thing. You are sick!
He's not sick you are just a bigoted moron
Oh I am sooo hurt...... Fell better now?
Not really I have no emotional investment in this whatsoever, I just think one gratuitious insult deserves a return serve.
Damn we are on the same page today, wana get married?
No thank you, I am already married and long walks in the moonlight are not in our future
Hmmm, so now these scumbags want to sue the people that found their activity suspsious. Is that ok with you all?
Um, yeah. It's called our legal system. If the imams don't have a case, they'll lose. If it makes you feel any better I doubt there's a chance in hell they'll win.
Right, so then the people who get dragged into court and incur legal fees because they reported suspicious activity over this nonsense that was clearly a setup, they are made whole after the court case is over, right?
What people? Are you saying the imams are suing other passengers? Bo and Neal make it sound like the suit would be against the airline, which has a fleet of attorneys on staff to handle stuff like this.
Rusty, this happened in my backyard. It is pretty big news around here, as you might expect. This column lays out the lawsuit with the following:
"But the most alarming aspect of the imams’ suit is buried in paragraph 21 of their complaint. It describes “John Doe” defendants whose identity the imams’ attorneys are still investigating. It reads: “Defendants ‘John Does’ were passengers … who contacted U.S. Airways to report the alleged ’suspicious’ behavior of Plaintiffs’ performing their prayer at the airport terminal.”
Paragraph 22 adds: “Plaintiffs will seek leave to amend this Complaint to allege true names, capacities, and circumstances supporting [these defendants’] liability … at such time as Plaintiffs ascertain the same.”
In plain English, the imams plan to sue the “John Does,” too."
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/kersten/?p=136
Bruce, thanks for the link. I read the whole article and the excerpts the author provides from the complaint are not enough to support her claim that "in plain English, the imams plan to sue the John Does too." It looks to me like legal boilerplate that preserves the plaintiffs' right to proceed against other unnamed defendants if the plaintiffs find out they have a cause of action against them.
To use another example, if your Ford suddenly goes off the road, and you sue Ford for product liability, you might add language indicating that you might have to bring an unnamed parts manufacturer in as a defendant in the future.
That's my impression. The author of that column didn't provide enough material to say for sure.
That may be true, I was originally responding to this exchange here:
Hmmm, so now these scumbags want to sue the people that found their activity suspsious. Is that ok with you all?
Um, yeah. It's called our legal system. If the imams don't have a case, they'll lose. If it makes you feel any better I doubt there's a chance in hell they'll win.
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In this case you have stated that you are fine with the imams bringing the case even if they have no case. My point is that this will cause harm to those forced to defend themselves against these nonsensical charges (IMHO). Even if i's only the airline efending, these charges are passed along to customers.
I didn't mean to imply that it's fine with me if people bring a case when they have no case; that's NOT fine with me. In fact, it pisses me off because it's unethical and wastes people's time and money. My point was that it's not up to Evillib, or you, or me to decide who gets to file a suit, and that the courts will generally weed out the frivolous ones.
I found a link to the full complaint here. It does indeed appear that the imams are suing two unnamed passengers, which in my opinion, based on the scanty facts alleged in the complaint, is stupid. All the imams saw was the man make a phone call. It doesn't appear that they overheard anything.
We definitely agree on that!
Finally my blood pressure went down. Look, my fricking argument here is that no Good Sameritan(sp?) deserves this. And this type of suit shows just how EVIL these people in particular can be. I almost lost my mind.
No you completely lost your mind. It wasnt all that impressive to begin with. Just because YOU are ignorant doesnt make these Imams evil
You the type to walk into a crosswalk without any care? Oh yes, the sue happy type. You a lawyer Solon? You donate to the stupidest sites.....
I have never sued anyone in my life and I have had cause. I was once hit by a city watertruck and had my foot broken. Since my health insurance at the time covered me 100% and I had plenty of money from being overworked the previoius couple of years I didnt sue them. I disagree that I contribute to stupid sites but I obviously respond to the STUPIDEST posters, like now for instance.
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again, I like you.....
That same argument could be used against those who sued Ford when they put out the Pinto KNOWING it would cause deaths and injuries. They would pass the cost on to consumers if that was a reason NOT to sue there would be NO lawsuits against corporations.
The Muslim extremists know that the left in this country will bend over backwards not to offend anyone, including potential terrorists. It's political correctness gone haywire. It will eventually come back to bite us.
Now I get it.
Our inactions will come back to bite us but our actions won't.
How about a fair balance? Id o not see it.
Interesting assertion.
Here's mine, with as much factuality as yours:
It's not the left who give these folks the impression that the country will bend over backwards not to offend them; it's conservatives like you who keep echoing that this country will bend over backwards to not offend anybody. The same way that debate about Iraq emboldens the terrorists, your assertions embolden litigious individuals.
So stop it.
Funny, I see parties/associations, constantly bending over backwards. You would not see it like that. but anyone in the middle see you for who you really are.
Worldwide, including the US, are trying not to offend Muslums. Is that really fair to break tradition that a majority feel is important?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=to+not+offend+muslims&btnG=Google+Search
Your google search is ridiculous. Way to general just like your stupid argument.
I am not sure why anyone would want to gratuitously offend anyone. Why do you want the US to work hard to offend Muslims so badly? Pretty stupid point.
Pasthetic, and you think it wont happen here?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23389123-details/Church+school+renames+Three+Little+Pigs+to+avoid+offending+Muslims/article.do
Oh no! The end is near!
Lolololololoolololol!!!!!!
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I dont see any clear setup your evidence it was is WHAT again?
I thought I washed the better part of you down the drain in the bathroom this monring. How the hell did you come quivering up from there?
You THOUGHT. I deny the possibility. It is clear you havent aquired the requisite equipment. You have no ability for thought. That is apparant from your posts, you have only two brain functions record and regurgitate. You are the typing equivilent of a deranged Myna bird, except not nearly as bright.
Ya know, you ARE sending me home in a better mood now.
Thanks freind.....
You are welcome I am available for parties too
Rusty, it is sending a message. They are not just suring the airline, but the people passengers. THEY ARE LOUSEY SCUMBAGS. I understand it will probably be thrown out. But these "John Does" as they put it, will have heavy lawyer fees just for doing what they thought right. For Gods sake, where do you all draw trhe line?
Yes, it sucks. The imams naming the John Does as defendants looks ridiculous, based on the weak facts in the complaint. Maybe Minnesota law will allow them to counter-claim or something.
Still, I personally doubt the John Does will be named. Even if their identities are discovered, the imams still might choose not to proceed against them. (Interestingly, the John Doe passengers were not referenced in any of the charges.) So they probably won't incur any legal fees at all.
Even if they DID need a lawyer, some enterprising defense attorney would probably volunteer his/her services for such popular defendants in a high-profile case.
It has all been a big test. THAT HAS BEEN MY POINT FROM THE BEGINING. But some of the peopl eon here are soooo damn blind.
Not agreeing with your OPINION that it was "all a big test" doesn't make us blind.
And some like YOU are so darn IGNORANT
In the land of Trolls there are fairies, which one are you?
False dichotomy. In the land of MMFA there are posters and moronic trolls, along with many other subspecies of each but moronic troll describes you perfectly. I appologize to actual morons who have several dozen IQ points on you, but its a close approximation.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL......
You have inspired me to write a new song.
I am not sure whether or not the case has merit. The courts will decide. I personally wouldnt have extended the suit but if the POINT was that they wanted to end the discrimination I can see the argument. I disagree, they ought to have the sensativity to see that people are effected by the media propaganda and that people are afraid, they ought to have taken into account that 9/11 DID put people on edge about Muslims. Having said that I am not willing to attack them for doing so. I am sympathetic to the point that biased treatment of Muslims should not be allowed to be seen as acceptable policy.
YOU are an ignorant piece of garbage. Muslims in this country should be treated like all other Americans when they are discrimated against they have the same recourses. You are a fascist that hates our freedoms and people like YOU will ruin our country. You should stop being an ignorant bigot
Solon, I love everyone, and trust no one.
If indeed they do get spanked for BS suits, I hope you will appologise to me.
No appolgy will be necessary. The system will have worked as it is supposed to. There are consequences for frivolous lawsuits, also if the merits are there but it doesnt rise to the level of actionable then the point will have been made either way the system will have worked as it is supposed to. I think the Imams are reacting to anti Muslim bias, I think they see a lawsuit as a way to expose such bias. IF they are being frivolous and outrageous then it will have its consequences. I dont know either way and neither do YOU. THAT is the point. Let the system that was created to sort it out do so.
Are they scumbags because you say so or because they are Muslims or because YOU are a moron?
Solon, you're going a little easy on EL. Why don't you tell him what you really think.
LOLOLOLOL..... felling married to the guy these days. I am like his punching bag......... Its ok, i wont get mad.
Good nether do I, in fact I almost never have any emotional investment in my posts. I do get tired of seeing my friends here and myself being called things like spineless, wimps, yellow and the like, or seeing people called scumbags for no other reason than they did something you dont like. So when I see that I like to return serve, I like to remind conservatives that they dont have the exclusive franchise on insults and personal attacks. It MAY someday convince them that sometimes people dont LIKE being insulted and PERHAPS it would be more advantageous to stick to the ISSUE and leave the characterizations to those unthinking, unfeeling morons incapable of anything else. I know you ARE capable of something else I have seen it. But hey, its all the same to me, flamewar, issues. I am game.
I like to remind conservatives that they dont have the exclusive franchise on insults and personal attacks.
I don't have any investment in that franchise. I call a spade a spade.
You call what YOU see as a spade a spade its just that sometimes to ME what YOU are calling a spade looks like a VW minvan
You are so fricking caught up in your world. You think i jsut plain hate all Muslims? Shows what kids of pathetic, slimmy, BIAS person you are.
I want a judges ruling on that. I am sorry they have ruled that your amazing mind reading powers are not qualifications for you to make such judgements since they, you know, DONT EXIST.
What it shows is if YOU are going to call people names like the Imams scumbags, or like calling me biased and pathetic I enjoy pointing out you are stupider than brass bubblegum and more ignorant than the average moron.
Actually, there are terrible things said about at least some "Christians", and broadcast: for example, some Dems have questioned, out loud, fer cryin' out loud, the wisdom of calling for the assassination of Chavez, and blamed well-kinown "Christian" leaders for those calls.
"well-known", fer crynin' out loud!
not bending over?
http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1058294.html
Yes. And some pharmacists will not dispense birth control due to religious reasons. I bet you those shoppers got their pork before the birth control people got their prescriptions filled. Some people refuse to work on the Sabbath as well. Are you going to tell employers how they should resolve their employment issues?
This kind of thing happens from time to time with people from different parts of the world and different religions. Compromises occur to resolve things.
Your story is no big deal at all.