Beck on being a white Christian who "loves America": "I just can't win"
On the April 2 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Glenn Beck claimed that "[c]onservatives get no respect" and asserted that he "can't win" because he is "American[]," "white," "Christian," and "conservative." He said: "[I]f you are a white human that loves America and happens to be a Christian, forget about it, Jack. You are the only one that doesn't have a political action committee for you." He also said: "I mean, I was talking about it with my family yesterday. I said, 'I'm tired of being the least popular person in the world,' " adding, "We're Americans. Nobody likes Americans. We're Americans, so the world hates us. But then inside of America, we love America -- and that's becoming more and more unpopular." Beck also said that being "Christian[]" is "not popular anymore" and went on to say, "I've got to find one thing that I agree with the rest of the world on, I guess. I'm tired of being in that group."
In addition to his daily radio show, Beck hosts an evening program on CNN Headline News and has been hired as a commentator for ABC's Good Morning America.
From the April 2 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
BECK: I mean, I was talking about it with my family yesterday. I said, "I'm tired of being the least popular person in the world." I said look at our family. We're Americans. Nobody likes Americans. We're Americans, so the world hates us. But then inside of America, we love America -- and that's becoming more and more unpopular. So, we're not popular with Americans.
Then we're Christians. That's not popular anymore. But not only are we Christians, we're Mormons. So, we're not even liked by the Christians. I just -- I'm white. I'm human. There are a lot of environmentalists that don't like humans, but within the humans that accept humans, I'm white.
The majority of humans don't like whites. I mean, I just can't win. You can't win. And why is it? Because if you are a white human that loves America and happens to be a Christian, forget about it, Jack. You are the only one that doesn't have a political action committee for you.
God forbid, I forgot that I'm also a conservative. I'm a conservative, which is not popular in America, but I'm a conservative that doesn't like the Republicans. I can't win! I've got to find one thing that I agree with, you know, the rest of the world on, I guess. I'm tired of being in that group. Conservatives get no respect.
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Now this is easy. None of the "why is this here?" from me this time, because anybody who knows this website, knows the exact reason this is here.
Read on.............
Oh, and we were all expecting you to condemn Beck for playing the race card and for playing the victim. But I forgot, it's only liberals that do that, right?
Tommy:
Do you know why this is here, because in each case of his claiming universal dislike, he is flat WRONG?
Or is it that he's claiming VICTIM STATUS for the people who have the most power and money in the entire world ... that would be white "Christian" American males, who make up nearly all of the corporate boardrooms, nearly all of elected offices (including ALL Presidents for example), and take the lion's share of every "RICHEST PERSONS" list?
So, he's not only MISINFORMING about his poor, picked-on status, but he's also claiming VICTIM status falsely, for the most privileged group on the planet.
A lying whiner will usually attract MMFA's attention.
I'm sure Tommy knows very well what Beck is doing and his response was the best he could come up with without defending Beck directly. Tommy is playing his usual devil's advocate/issues distraction role. That said, Tommy isn't always wrong. MMFA is losing its progressive edge in its blind defense of Clinton.
Which Clinton? What does that have to do with anything.
Again, Beck's everyguy-dumbguy antics are transparent and typical. I'm not sure what Tommy's point is. To suggest that MMFA puts on the Beck stuff just so the MMFA regulars can get their jollies is lame. Becks' stupidity and lack of insight should be showcased every time it comes up.... He's a racist hiding under the facade of some sort of Andy Taylor-ish home-spun BS. Keep it coming. Maybe one day the rest of the world will catch on that this guy sucks.
Rightwing bloviators should cease getting MMFA's attention as soon as they are no longer broadcasting their words to the public. Simple enough. As long as they're propagandizing over the airwaves, or contacting mass audiences, then their words are subject to being scrutinized, and corrected.
Take Beck off the air, and MMFA will leave him alone. Fair enough?
Hey Tex, Sounds like you're advocating censorship. Some of us actually AGREEwith Beck and share his opinion. You, of course, have every right to DISagree, but to suggest he be taken off the air?
This will probably get me banned from ever posting here, but... Once again, MMFA is bullying those with those who don't totally agree with the left-wing agenda, and again, have not considered the CONTEXT of what's being said. It's ironic that you so-called "progressives" are so eager to silence those with differing viewpoints.
Being progressive doesn't require celebrating pinheaded right-wing blather.
Nice...my point exactly.
So - I assume that, in your world, those who who listen are pinheads as well.
If the shoe fits.
Or the little tiny hat - for my pinhead
Ha! Good one.
Beck doesn't deserve respect. Only in America could an ignorant alcoholic white man be given a national television show and then complain that nobody likes him. What's there to like?
I'm sick of ignorant white men being given dream jobs purely because they are pale.
Top 5:
1. G Duhbya Bush cokehead, drunkard, cheerleader, failed businessman, draft dodger, the "War President" of the United States, Commander in Chief. Despite his string of 100% failure, convinces other whites that he could lead them to victory over Iraq (the rest of us knew he couldn't all along)
2. "Brownie" FEMA chief, failed horse show judge, did an excellent job during Katrina according to Bush, according to blacks and the facts, however, Brownie responsible for a colossal failure and lives lost
3. Rush Limbaugh. Chickenhawk Extraordinaire, punked out of Vietnam because of a pimple on his a$$
4. Dan Mr. Potato Quayle...couldn't outsmart a 5th grader
5. Ted Haggart, leader of Christian right, crystal meth smoker, anti-gay gay man (anti-self), claims to be miraculously cured of his taste for drugs and the hershey highway
I think you are not quite comprehending what I would consider Tex's pretty obvious point:
-- If you don't want to be criticized, then stop talking. As long as Beck is talking and spewing this kind of nonsense, he will deservedly be criticized.
Of course, Beck could go off, the air in order to avoid criticism, but I doubt he would ever do that willingly. It appears Beck's whining and playing the victim is pretty transparently disingenuous.
Of course. This is a common retort from right-wingers who are caught with their ___ in the ringer. No one called for Beck's resignation... or extinguishing poor Beck's right to free speech!!! He's being paid by a major cable news source for this drivel. Therein lies the difference.
My god... this is how the 'debate' has devolved (yes, at the hands of fools like Limbaugh, Hannity, et al)... The reduction of any argument to black or white, right or wrong. Beck deserves to be scolded and told that his opinion is infantile, self-serving and off the mark. The fact that CNN pays him tons of money to tell his good-ol-boy fables of white-guy persectution DEMANDS a response.
I don't think he ever said he didn't want to be criticized. I can't imagine a talk-show host on EITHER side that wouldn't expect to be criticized. What is troublesome is the idea promoted by this website, and others like it, that he should be silenced - that's advocating censorship.
I don't have a radio or TV show. Have I been silenced?
Who's calling for Beck to be silenced. YOU said that. MMFA and the regulars here want Beck to take some responsibility for his words...especially if he's getting paid for it by a so-called reputable news source or if they are being spewed over the public airwaves. Period. You like Beck - good for you. That fact alone doesn't make it good.
"I don't think he ever said he didn't want to be criticized." --goodfellas
I disagree. Beck is pretty obviously complaining that he "just can't win". It is reasonable to conclude he doesn't want to be criticized or at least doesn't like it. If he doesn't like the criticism, maybe he should say something else, regain the ability to close his mouth, or hang it up.
"What is troublesome is the idea promoted by this website, and others like it, that he should be silenced - that's advocating censorship." --goodfellas
That may be an oversimplification. Is it advocating Beck's censorship to advocate the CNN replace Beck with a better personality? I would call that the free-market.
Beck has every right to spew his nonsense as long as his employers agree to let him do that and/or Beck wants to do it. People have every right to let CNN know that they don't like their product offering and would prefer something better in it's place.
Now if CNN decided to fire Beck despite some indication of his popularity or quality, I would be on your side. Until then, let the marketplace decide.
"Now if CNN decided to fire Beck despite some indication of his popularity or quality"
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You mean precisely like what MSNBC did to Phil Donahue in 2003? I don't remember the whack-jobs being upset by that end run around the free market.
Yeah, when someone calls for arresting him for what he says get back to us. Weinerdog can bay at the moon or sell his hatred and insanity as much as he wants in the public park. As long as he is using OUR resource to make his millions we have a right to suggest how they be used, they do after all BELONG to us.
"This will probably get me banned from ever posting here, but..."
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No, it won't. This isn't a conservative whack-job website. That sort of thing happens on those with extreme regularity.
GOODFELLA:
Is it CENSORSHIP that Beck is on the air, and I am NOT? Am I being censored? Do I have a Constitutional (and GOD-Given) RIGHT to have a television show, just like Beck? So MY opinion can be bloviated just like Beck's?
See, you're confusing a freedom of speech with a perogative of corporate ownership of the press to censor (not hire) those with whom THEY disagree, and HIRE people like Beck, who have no credentials in anything, but who AGREES with their political agenda.
Taking Beck off his nationally broadcast program has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with "censorship". That's the last refuge of corporate bullies who wish for their MONEY to have a voice, while all other Americans have only to be propagandized. Grow up.
Hillary? If the right makes false statements about her they should rebut them.
It's true that the Moral Majority PAC has been floundering in recent years ... what with Ralph Reed and Jack Abramoff working together to "divest" gambling revenues from Native Americans ... LOL.
Beck is truly describing the holocaust of our times.
You know, white people sure are whiny. Imagine if we had gone through slavery. I mean, one white girl doesn't get into Michigan law school and we whine about it for decades.
And does anyone buy the "liberals hate America" crap? Sounds like desperation and a defecit of ideas to me.
I know! I know!
You can "agree with rest of the world" that you're a hateful, fact-inventing idiot who (to the surprise of very few) says hateful, idiotic things devoid of facts.
It's very hard to win when you're a total loser like Glenn Beck.
:-)
What a bizarre fantasy land Beck lives in.
The "least popular person in the world"? When was the last time a TSA rent-a-cop looked at him twice because of the color of his skin? When was the last time he got 10 years in prison for possession of a small amount of marijuana?
Is he aware of the recent poll that showed Americans trust atheists less than anybody else on the planet?
As a white atheist who loves America, I'm waaaaayyy less popular than Beck.
This whole "I'm such a put-upon white Christan American male, woe is me" garbage has GOT TO STOP. You are not persecuted. You've never even come close to being persecuted. The last time someone like you was anywhere near persecution was when YOU were the one doing the persecutin'.
"Conservatives get no respect."
Yeah. I wonder why that is...
Conservatives get no respect because they get what they deserve. No respect.
(With apologies to the late Rodney Dangerfield.)
Respect is one of those things you have to have in order to get.
Amen!
And, Mr. Beck, as far as "... get no respect.", may the ghost of Rodney Dangerfield vist your bedroom and wake you with a Tabasco enema.
As a tabasco sauce lover, tabasco grower, and everything tabasco in me, I ask, how can you defile a perfectly good bottle of tabasco in such a vile, vile way?
He says that he doesn't have a political action committee for his 'type'. I guess he's forgotten about the one that was in control of the U.S. Government for 6 of the last 7 seven years. It's called the Republican Party.
Geeshh! He's such a poor white Christian fellow that just can't get a break despite his presence on broadcast and cable TV and his own radio show!
Please, Mr Beck, tell us another sob-story!
6 or 7 years? The white christian political action group has been ruling this country since 1776.
Some proof? Yah its all been white guys, But the intrusiveness and power to be active that evengellicals have today has not been consistent over our history.
If we were talking about the influence and power that evangelicals have attained in recent years, then I'm in full agreement. But the comments were about Christians in general, and I think it's fair to say that from day one the vast majority of our political leaders have been white Christians.
"I'm tired of being the least popular person in the world."
Message to Beck: Quit your pissy little whining and pontificating. Go do something meaningful in life like helping the poor or the sick. You're reviled as a Christian, you say? Your reward is elsewhere than this life if you are a true believer.
That poor Beck is so hated for what he is that he has been forced to mumble his bizarre little rants to himself on the bus on the way to work every day. Oh wait, he's a highly paid, underqualified "pundit" who gets half an hour of major media time each day to promote his viewpoints.
I'd love to be that hated and marginalized.
And all this time I thought he was unpopular because he's such an @sshole. Glad that got cleared up...
Glen,
Your rant only works if you are a poor schmuck in Cowdunk, Kentucky. You're a bloated white guy of priviledge w/ a national audience to whine to.
"WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! Nobody like us Christian while people! WAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! You don't know how tough it is for us! WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!"
GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK. I wish we could turn this ***hole into something other than a white Christian male and throw his a** into a time machine. I think he'd be singing a different tune if he spent some time as an American Indian after the fall of the American frontier, or an African on a slave ship, or a woman in Saudi Arabia.
while people? Oops.
They need love too.
True enough us white Christian males need love too. I just think if you are looking for it by being a snivelling jerk like Beck you are probably travelling the wrong road.
WHILE people.
What ya need for that is to steal a leprechaun's pot of gold and make a wish on it....worked in Finian's Rainbow on the bigot Senator.
Yeah, Glen . . .
We all know how white Christians in America just don't get a fair shake - what with the Jim Crow laws, civil rights battles, school desegregation controversies, affirmitave action porgrams . . . all for you . . .
For people who claim to hate when others "play the victim", these neoKKKons sure do love to play it themselves . . .
It is sooooo hard being a white Christian. Why has God foresaken me? What I wouldn't give to be an Arab Muslim or a Black atheist. They get all the perks!
â™â™ Nobody knows the troubles I've seen. Nobody knows my sorrow...â™â™
So . . . how DID you get the little notes?
He can only tell you if you promise not to tell any white Christian males.
Conley,
I went to a webpage that had them and copied and pasted them here. I believe they are in a standard HTML character set that is recognized here. You should be able to copy and past my notes if you ever need them.
Thanks! I have done copy-and-past of other HTML graphic/characters, but these looked as though they had somehow originated right on your keyboard. I guess I just misunderestimated the willingness to find and use them to adorn (quite powerfully) the musical point.
As a regular church goer who comes from a long line of strict Roman Catholics, allow me to tear apart Becks delusion.
1) Conservatives get no respect? ACtually real conservatives get plenty of respect. Beck and Limbaugh and COulter are not real conservatives but are simply water carriers for a party. They defend every action the party does regardless of whether or not it goes against the conservative party platform. Smaller gov't? Please. Fiscal restraint? DOn't make me laugh. Values? Not in at least 6 years I'm afraid and regular studies show red states more value-troubled than blue states.
Respect has to be earned. The so-called "conservativism" that these people represent is authoritarianism. They don't care about America, they only care about power...or basking in the reflected glory of their side winning. They will betray everything the party was founded on if it helps them gain more power. This is not a goal worth respecting and it certainly does not lead to "love for America", only love of one's self.
2) Speaking of supposedly loving America, then why is it so many conservatives go on air to spread so much hate. Funny how they all "love america" but hate anyone, anything, any state, policy, politicians, celebrity, athlete, citizen that has a different opinion. I fail to see how people that claim to love America so much can hate women, minorities, liberals, universities, the environment, the poor, the middle class, hollywood, any of the 50 states that are "blue", etc, etc, etc.
Seriously, how can people who love America hate half the states and citizens that make up America? How can they hate the people who personify the very rights and freedoms the country was founded upon? How can they claim to love America but then support the dismantling of the very constitution that makes America what it is?
To steal from Bill Mahr, these people saying they love America is like someone saying they have a big penis...if they constantly have to tell you then it probably isn't true.
3) Christian? AS I've already stated, I was born and raised Roman Catholic and still attend Church regularily. I went to plenty of Bible study and even went to Christian themed camps as a child. In university I took a number or religious based english, philosophy classes as well as religious studies on various religions around the world. Hell, I even went to a Catholic elementary and high school.
I find absolutely zero christian behaviour, attitude or values coming off of any of these political hacks. Mercy are the meek? Blessed are the poor? The sense of equality and community and love for everyone? They do not live nor behave according to any of the teachings of Jesus. Hell, they support war and spit on anybody that supports peace. Again, not exactly a teaching of Jesus...or Christ, whom the religion is founded on. These people worship the golden calf of the old testament. They are in with the same gamblers and money lenders that Jesus threw out of the temple.
Similar to the above point, if they continually tell people they are Christians, then chances are it is because it isn't obvious by their words or actions. Therefore it probably isn't true. They can say they are Christain until they are blue in the face, but their words and actions betray them as people who stand for the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. What that makes them, I will leave it up to others to decide. Personally, I think there is no bigger sacriledge than these right0wing extremists claiming to be Christian...especially when it is onl to inflate their own ego and sense of self-worth and power. They are the person in the parable who makes a big show of donating money to the Church while looking down upon the poor who donates less but makes the bigger sacrifice.
'Tis difficult to be in your presence also (and Bill Mahr's), before dousing my wretched self in holy water first.
Obviously, you have examined yourself, and having found yourself worthy of casting a warm-up basket of stones.
Pompous, hateful ranting of a calibre not commonly seen.
Not anywhere near the bile spewed to a NATIONAL AUDIENCE by Beck, Weiner, Coulter et al.
i think lemoc saw a little too much of himself in that post.
Nah, just felt that SOME sanctification ritual was in order, in view of Rosecrusian's purity.
Are you sure you're worthy to be in Rosy's presence?
Well, he's without sin, so he gets the first pitch. You better duck.
Au contrare, mon frere.
You misunderstand completely. Rosy's sanctimonious generalizations on the topic of "How You Can Tell Who's A Christian" are intellectually dishonest, and I was registering my disgust with it.
I am not a big fan of such sanctimonious judgements. They seem tawdry to me. I didnt notice you taking ProudChristian to task for doing the EXACT same thing many times to us liberals though. So methinks your disgust is somewhat one sided
Point well taken. I shall strive for consistency.
I know. That whole tangent about Christ's teachings was pretty rough. I bet he gets banned for such hateful comments. I mean, where does he get off pointing out how the teachings of Jesus are at odds with the ideology of many self proclaimed Christians. Yeah. Banned for sure.
I don't quite get the basis for Lemoc's objections there either. Of course, he wasn't specific about anything wrong with it, which is pretty typical.
Of one thing we can be certain: without someone drawing you a picture, you won't GET it.
"Of one thing we can be certain: without someone drawing you a picture, you won't GET it."
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And since you've never even attempted to pick up a pencil to draw a picture, you are unable to persuade.
Point well taken. I WILL draw you a picture next time.
It'll be in several colors of crayon, just for you.
Your reference is to sinning and sinners. I did not call Beck a sinner and therefore your comment does not apply. I did, however, imply that Beck is either a liar or a hypocrit for self serving reasons.
If you believe I am wrong then you are welcome to prove to me that Beck is who he says he is. I doubt that is possible though, because as I've already said, his own words and behaviours betray him. He is neither conservative nor christian. I would further disagree with one more title for himself...not "white" but whether or not he is even "human." Humans are capable of reason, rational thinking, learning from mistakes and, of course, emotion. Beck certainly doesn't display or encourage any of these things.
But feel free to point out my error. Because if all you can do is attack the messenger while ignoring the message, then you only let everyone know you have nothing to say but hide behind saying it loudly.
You need to re-read your post. You started with Beck, got warmed up and decided to put the choke on your shotgun and hit as big a target as possible with what you had loaded. In doing so, you risk a tone of self-righteousness and you sacrifice the integrity of your "shot".
I too have heard innumerable sermons on WHO is Christian, WHO is A Christian, HOW does a Christian act, WHAT does a Christian do and NOT do. It is a lot bigger topic than can be addressed in your three long paragraphs of post.
That said, I will admit to overreacting, when in fact the central points of your message are valid, although finding PURE spiritual conduct or PURE political/philosophical conduct is only an ideal, and not possible. The human condition is that we get served a daily barrage of seemingly impossible "damned if you do, damned if you don't" choices.
Also, I apologize for my reference to holy water, as I know that is offensive to Catholics.
You call me intellectually dishonest and then rely on extrapolating my arguement to a ridiculsous degree in order to rebut it? I never said anything about mysel or Beck or anyone else being perfect or PURE or anything else you accuse me of. That is a strawman.
I also never implied I was perfect myself. I merely wished to state my background as I've been to enough forums to know that someone will immediately label me a "SP" or "far left liberal" to avoid rationally thinking about my post. And just as I would expect a Doctor to explain his medical background before diagnosing me, I felt I should give my own background regarding my past studies of the bible.
The fact remains. If Beck wants to be given respect as a white-Christian-Conservative, then maybe he should use his money and his national soap-box to promote himself in that manner. Instead all we have is Beck encouragin hate, dvisiveness, and political ignorance. What's worse is when he is called on his behaviour he has the nerve to then cry about being a victim and being unfairly prodecuted. He should be smart enough to know that he will be judged by the format he is most recognized through. If he wants to be respected, then he shouldn't be acting one way at home and another on TV to get rating. Oh wait...I forgot that Beck has already said he is just being himself and saying what he believes.
Well does the messanger come with real knowledge? or is this your hypothesis. Have you watched the entire show or do you just read all the comments that have been cherry picked?
I fail to see how your post contributes to the debate in even the smallest, most indirect way. You neither rebut my point not take issue with it. Instead you simply assume that someone can only comment on the issue if they watch an entire episode. Should I also loyally watch every episode ever made and only comment once the entire series has run its course? If food is spoiled, should I still eat it all before forming an opinion about whether or not it is worth eating?
Exactly, well stated, good point.
Actually i was trying to see where you are coming from. You said the fact remains that if he wants respect as a conservitive christian then he should use his money and forum to bring attentions to those issues. But it seems like to earn Your respect he has to subscribe to your christian beliefs and political pov. like i've said before he donates 10% of his income to his religion that uses that money for humanitarian aid all around the usa and the world. He sits on his show and promotes hate against islamist extremists. he wants muslims to stand together with christians and jews to fight this real evil. He calls people out on both sides of the aisle. So just maybe, even though it is not the exact same political pov as you, he is doing the exact same thing you are telling him to do.
i am a channel surfer. i dont watch just one show. and what i notice when i stop on becks program is, he says most of the things the people here say he should say. but those clips are always ignored because mmfa's main purpose is to draw attention to missinformation. so of course you are going to continue hating him because you will never see a story here that is not bashing his charactor.
Rosencrantz , what i am trying to attribute to the debate is just that. a debate. it gets so boring in here sometimes when everyone says the same hateful slurs. theres no fun in that.
"Actually i was trying to see where you are coming from. "
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Asked and answered. If you don't know after reading his posts, which make perfect sense to me, you will not be able to advance the debate due to your lack of reading comprehension.
Well if you did some reading of your own you would have notice that i did reply to his post down below. which i believe a lot of the same points were brought up by many other members. and it was aimed at that specific thread. so if you want to say that my take on the way he stated his comment was false then you would have to say the same to a few others. but he did clear up his meaning in an other post. and he made more sense to me. but you seem to forget that not all these comments are exactly chronilogical. theres been a few times that somebody has said something. to which i commented on before noticing they had another post below. so before you attack, how about a question. no reason you cant be civil.
If you were interested in rational, logical debate you wouldn't have resorted to throwing in the "hateful slur" comment. Because my issue with Beck, as well as many others, is that he is using a national soapbox to spread ignorance, bigotry, sexism, and hate. Yet the second someone calls him a bigot or sexist they are accused of being full of anger and hate.
I have not date for Beck. However, as a CNN viewer I do not believe that the public is being served by having him on the air. I do not believe that the nation's interests OR their right to be properly informed are served by Beck's show. Quite the opposite.
I stand by my comments. I never said that Beck should use the show the espouse what I believe Christianity is. Hell, he doesn't have to do anything religious. However, if he wants MY respect he shouldn't be a racist, sexist bigot. And if he is just pretending to get ratings then I believe that is even worse as it also makes him a manipulative self-serving opportunist. Neither case helps the country heal it's divide and neither case helps the public be informed enough to properly take part in democracy as a fully informed citizen.
Beck has no right to play the victim, and niether do any of the other supposed victims like COulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc...all of whom are extremely wealthy and protected by their elite status. More than you or I get. If these people actually wanted proper respect for being "white, conservative, Christians" then maybe they should either ACT like conservative christians (which my first post points out they don't...simply opportunistic water-carriers for power) or they can stop being profiteers off of a divded, angry america which they create and encourage.
The're not dummies, crazies, or Christian. They (Beck and much more importantly the millions of like minded Americans) are intelligent, sane and evil.
I disagree. They're not intelligent, they are cunning. They are not sane, they are sociopathic. But I will agree on the one point...they are evil.
I'd go along with cunning or even 'a normal level of intelligence'. But it seems to me 'sociopath' cancels out 'evil'. If someone's truely sociopathic, they are damaged and therefore lose some or most moral culpabilty for their behavior. And evil is important to attribute when appropriate.
Meely-uns and meely-uns of like-minded, ee-ville peepul. They're easy to ID. They ALL think the same. Light your torches--let's get 'em.
Echoes of Salem.
I kind of agree. I think it is pretty silly to describe people of a seemingly different worldview as "evil". Of course, I really don't believe that "evil" exists to begin with (at least the way it is commonly represented), but that is a pretty big can of worms in itself.
I find it a bit over the top myself. My motto is, taken from an anonymous source, never ascribe to venality that which can be explained by abject stupidity.
Solon,
That appears to be a close paraphase of Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Words to live by.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
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Except when it's GWBush, who usually displays equal amounts of both.
Thank you, I never knew that.
Thanks for posting, Rosencrantz. It's people like you I can be happy to disagree with.
Darned straight.
Exactly! Well said.
Wow, If you cant tear down one person specifically lets blanket the whole group (in which you seem to claim) with baseless hate and biasness. you can generalize all the facts you want but the real fact still remains. he is a mormon which really is a christian religion still persecuted today. Usually if a population of a specific denomination was raped, tarred, beat, burglarized, murdered, run out of town, and had the U.S government sign an order for there extermination, there would be a lot more respect towards how they are treated today. Just like there is for any other group that faced persecution.like, blacks, gays, or jews. But funny enough, that is not the case. there is still a baseless hatred and in-equality. turning your back on your fellow man just because you have decided to be there judge and jury for there testimony and there standing with there personal god is very un christ like to me.
To an extent I agree with what you're saying, but I think Mormons get less respect than they otherwise might simply because some of their beliefs seem so, well, ridiculous, and they don't have the patina of time like other arguably ridiculous religious beliefs.
But what most people dont understand is they believe in the bible and teach it in there churches. but they have an additional book. not unlike other factions of the christian faith. And shouldnt respect for a person and what they have gone through be given despite your personal beliefs of there religion?
Maybe, but not necessarily. I've respected most of the Mormons I've known because they are good people worthy of respect independent of their religion, which I think is kind of silly.
Well said. Some of the most honest, trustworthy and downright good people I know are Mormons. I think their religion is strange to me, but I like the people very much.
If that religion works for them, then more power to them.
Well said. it should be about the people. not the religion. And it makes you think. there are a lot of very smart people in that religion. some of the most predominent CEO's in the world are members. not the type to be dooped by a "cult". So maybe there are some real beliefs behind what they say.
ROSENCRANTZ:
Very well said. Every word true. And watch for the rightwingers to attack ... they can't defend what you've accused, as it is demonstrably and empiracally TRUE. So they will instead attack YOU. Blasphemers against Rightwing righteousness must be nailed to a cross.
Oh, and if you have a policy difference with Dubya, why, you're a traitor to the nation and a terrorist lover. See how easily it works?
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
The Christian that thinks Mr. Beck is a Christian has lots to explain if they should choose to listen to Mr. Beck as though he were a authority!
I would encourage them to reach out to many other religous fanatics that have an above third grade intellect!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I think(hope) more and more Christians are very tired of being tied to these hate mongers. There is more to it than being anti-gay and anti-abortion. The're starting to show up in peace marches again. They probably have similar trouble getting a caring and peaceful message out as we do.
Why is this man still on TV? As a news "junkie" I admit to watching more of O'Reilly and Hannity to at least get a laugh at their idiocy. This guy is a wasted 60 minutes of airtime.
Beck's little Pity Party is hilarious.
While I, a White Christian Male, occasionally feel like every ill [real or imagined] is blamed on my species, I also realize that we WCM's have never had to deal with the discrimination, inequality, or hurtful slurs that women, other races or religions have had to deal with.
Perhaps Beck is worried that the *superiority* that we WCM's have bestowed upon ourselves is in jeopardy because *others* are catching up to us.
Deal with it Glen you big crybaby. We're all human. We should all be equal.
i can name a couple posts on this thread that do just that. accusations of devil worshipping, non-christian, just to name a couple.
I'll bet you can't. I've read the thread, and saw no mention of "devil worshiping." If you can't make a point without lying, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
And if you cant string more than 3 words together in a single post how do expect anyone to believe you are older than 10yrs old.
glenn beck is no christian. HE SERVES BAAL, MOLECH(SATAN) . and glenn's god is a dead man on a stick.
saying that someone that is worshipping something other than GOD, even if it is money would be considered worshipping of false idols.
You'll meet very few true Christians in America. Typical of GOP(better term?) talk shows---he throws a false premise and then makes a point regarding it, and we all bite. Christianity and capitalism are like oil and water.
Plenty of them out there - they just don't always draw attention to themselves, like Beck and far too many other media "personalities"; nor run "steal from the poorest" scams to allow granny admission to Heaven in return for her social security check, to fund their midnight assignations with hookers of some sex or other; and most of the "real" Christians silently add "works" to prodigious "faith". I may even have met a couple, from time to time, despite my ironclad aversion to "Church" buildings.
Conley,
I like that "...silently adding works to prodigeous faith...", key word SILENT...as in "random acts of kindness".
Varying from one to another, some Christians proclaim their faith, to persuade others. Some Christians display their faith only through their works. The Bible tells us that no Christians proclaim their own good works.
Oh, BTW, I am not particularly religious, in any traditional sense, though I was raised in an environment that allowed me to witness the entirety of "Bible-belt" America, and attended services in my youth at over a dozen different congregations of Christian faith.
My true experience with real Christians came much later, after I had turned from reverence for the building, Church or Temple. Whether or not those folks turn out to be right (yeah, in that case my feet would certainly be warm) or wrong in their convictions about eternal salvation (or damnation), they are a powerful force for good upon the earth. And the false ministers, a balancing and powerful force for evil.
We mighta gone to the same churches, back then. My observations and conclusions are same as yours.
Beck,
There are Indian Reservations where Native Americans live below poverty. Get a list of those reservations; visit them and give them your speech about how you are an unloved white christian conservative. If they ask you how much you make just say the nerve of them and cut their mic off.
When you are done with the Indian Reservation tour then go and visit all the ghettos in the cities of the United States. Stand on your soap box and give the same unloved white christian conservative speech to the crowd of blacks, hispanics, asians, mexicans. If they ask you how much are you making just say the nerve of them and cut off their mic off.
When you are done with the ghetto visit rural America where poverty in some places is worst than it is in the ghetto. Here you may have some luck due to many are white. Give them your unloved christian conservative speech. If they ask you about the fancy car you came into the area with just say the nerve of them and cut their mic off.
In other words get to know America because I want them to see what an ignorant person looks like.
I almost wish we had a GlennBeckForPreisdent, or a BeckRocks to come and tell us that MMFA has cherry picked the Beck quotes, and that he's not a Bushbot, etc, etc.
Then again, there's been a flood from Weiner lately, I shouldn't get greedy.
Nevertheless, any people want to come out and defend Beck on this one? Anybody?
To be fair to the guy, there is a likeability factor at play with all these media personalities. Some people have it and some don't. We're all suckers for it to some extent or other. IMO it's fortunate he has the personasa he has. The bigger problems are presented by the lovable demagogues.
Entertainer. Mischeivous overgrown kid prankster, that's his intentional media personna.
It's hard to fill a daily show with substance, or even high quality non-substance, so the entertainer defaults to the personna they find easy.
You left a few adjectives off that persona description, jerk, moron, bigot, hatemonger, like those.
You said we must practice equal opportunity mindset here; you just described Rosie O'Donnell (gives the Irish a bad name).
Oh-oh...Sounds like The Beaver is on the pity pot.
Poor little feller. White, Mormon, conservative and a real American. All that and getting paid millions to lie on a daily basis. That's our Beaver...send food in care of:
The Beaver
CNN Headline News?
NY, NY
I heard Beck do his whining little "poor old oppressed me" routine today and I almost laughed. He lives in a gated community, is filthy rich, has his own TV and radio show and he has the balls to cry about how oppressed he is! Yeah right Glenny. Some of the redneck knuckledraggers who make up your base audience might believe that but anyone with half a brain wouldn't. I would have loved to hear him explain why White conservative males have it so rough. But he didn't. He just whined that he is oppressed. What a buffoon!
Oh, I forgot to mention how he doesn't hang out with black people. Really makes you think, doesn't it?
Nice cherry pickin. he did say he does not have black friends because we are so pc in this country that you cant call a black person black without fear of being labeled racist. a valid point. not a bash on blacks like you try to pass it off as.
I think you demonstrate a little misunderstanding of black people. I have honestly never met a black person who ever had a problem being called "black". Some may prefer to be called "African-American", but I haven't met any that have called me "racist" for using the word "black".
I think Wiener and your unfamiliarity with this is common amongst white people who don't know very many black people and are somewhat fearful of them. Perhaps innocently. Perhaps not.
Sorry. I meant Beck and not Wiener.
Very well said. As I've said here many times AA and Black are generally used interchangeably in the community, all my contemporaries do this. The older Blacks will often just use the term Black. It hasn't been that long since they stopped saying colored so what can your do.(smile) Now There are some CONSERVATIVES that will not use the AA term because they don't like it or any hyphenated delineation of American. I can generaly tell when I meet these guys so I will use AA almost exclusively when I'm with them, just to tick them off because it's fun.
Actually this is what he said
I don't have a lot of African-American friends, and I think part of it is because I'm afraid that I would be in an open conversation, and I would say something that somebody would take wrong, and then it would be a nightmare. Am I alone in feeling that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am sure he is NOT alone in thinking that but is joined by a whole host of bigots. I have black friends. I have no such fear because I KNOW I am not a bigot. IF I said something unintentionally offensive I am sure they would take it in the context of who they know me to be or call me on it, either way I dont have that fear because I see them as people just like I am capable of disagreeing and telling me why. Even if they DID call me a racist due to an unintentionally insensative remark. I would judge it on its merits and since I know in my heart I am NOT racist talk with them. THEY ARE PEOPLE, reaonable just like most people are. Beck is just afraid he wont be able to control his inner bigot and if called on it will be shamed by its exposure. The argument itself shows that. Taken to its logical conclusion it would make him incapable of having friends different from him in any way, he might offend Catholics or Baptists because he said something they find religiously insensative or of other nationalities because they found something he said culturally offensive. He doesnt worry about that because he sees THOSE people as PEOPLE and has no guilt about being bigotted against him. His FEAR comes from him NOT seeing blacks as reasonable people who he can TALK TO without A) showing his inner bigot or B) them being unreasonable.
Good post, Solon. If he wasn't a bigot, he wouldn't be afraid.
Well, Beck can always KILL himself. DEAD people usually don't get slandered as much, and if he thinks he's being slandered, perhaps that's the way to end it. Here's hoping he decides on this solution to his problems...lol
When did he convert? Wikipedia says he is a Mormon.
12 years ago
12 years ago i believe
Awww, poor poor Beck. Everyone ganging up on him cause he's a bigoted pompous ass who wears his phony religion on his sleeve. No wonder he can't win. Here's hoping he never does.
So you call him a bigot as you bash him based on his religion. Fighting fire with fire when it comes to bigotry does not work.
Bigot is as Bigot does.
I'm willing to give Redking the benefit of the doubt here and say that he meant Beck is a hypocrite, not that his religion itself is phony.
It was Jesus who said "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." So Beck deserves every insult that gets thrown at him, since that's what he does to others.
As for "phony religions", there's few "Christians" that actually follow the teachings of Jesus...most are really neo-jews who are interested only in the bigotries and prejudices of that old Hebrew war god Yahweh. They pay lip service to Jesus but reject the moral philosophy.
There's little benefit to being "Christian". As a Freyan, a servant of the Goddess, I am rewarded by being in constant contact with large numbers of incredibly built women. Christians just get a sermon and a collection plate, popes, and Pat Robertson.
Actually I am a Christian, very Evangelical, and no one hates me. In fact, I have wonderful relationships with all sorts of folks. I have lived in a largely Buddhist area in my life and had no problems. I have lived in very urban situations and have made seen the sadness of that area and have made my views known as wlell as offering a loving helping hand and no one hated me. More than likely it is you, Mr. Beck who sends out such hateful attitudes that are so unloving that no one even can tell he is a Christian. You know the rule. Do good to those who despitefully use you, if anyone asks you to walk a mile with them, go two, AND more importantly, do unto others as you would have others do unto you. What we dish out seems to have a way of returning to us even stronger than when we sent it out. Try love, Mr. Beck. It is the Christian way and it also works every time.
mari2j, you sound like one of those "wimpy" Christians who has read and understood the teachings of Christianity.I don't know if there's a place for you in the political part of this world. ;o)
Beck's right. He can't win. He can't win because he's a bigoted jackass with no clue.
Btw, as a working-class white hetero male Catholic (non-practicing) I am routinely insulted by this man's attempt to pander to people like me. The Right has conned millions and millions of whites into thinking that the Left hates them and is working against their best interests. All the while the Right just goes ahead and screws them economically.
Man, and the Left are the ones that get accused of playing identity politics.
I think that there are lot of people out there don't like America-loving, white guys who go to church and aren't gay. And you know why? Because of people like Beck, not to mention Savage, Buchanan, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. They think that we're all like them, and we're not, which is another reason why people like Beck need to get tied to a tree and smacked with a bamboo cane.
I feel nuttin' but love from the Left.
LEFT----LOVE. LOVE----LEFT. Veritable peas in a pod.
Graded on the curve, that is compared to the hate pouring out constantly from the right you would have to be pretty much HAVE to.
Poor, Poor Glenn. Perhaps you just keep saying things that are just plain moronic. You say you can't win. Well, perhaps you should run for 'Village Idiot'. You're sure to win That one by a landslide...
glenn beck is no christian. HE SERVES BAAL, MOLECH(SATAN) AND like a lot of you out there on both sides of the issues, you just don't get it. you have rejected god and created the god that fits your image. and glenn's god is a dead man on a stick. he like all and i mean all conservatives in both parties have their head so far up their poop shoot that the truth has been forced to flee. beck has so far fooled his sponsors into thinking he is for america when in reality his america is an imperial america without democracy. this fool will not pick up a gun for jesus(bush) because he is waiting for the rapture, which by the way is not even in the holy bible.
OHHHHHH.......KAYYYYY!!!!
Actually Baal mean Lord it was a generic term and Molech the devourer of children was a Phoenician God not related to Satan. I find this kind of judgemental post makes me queezy and I am pretty much a comitted lefty.
Satan is a Persian thing...Shaitan...from Zoroastrianism, I do believe. The Samaritan Jews brought that back with them from their stay at Babylon. The messiah thing, too, they got from the Persians. You can see the Phoenician influence in the constant "our Lord" thing from the Bible, that's directly from Ba'al, which was the primary Phoenician diety.
As for me, I think it's time for new gods and goddesses. The ones we have now are getting very stale. Religion should inspire, not oppress. Monotheism is pretty much a drag on human spiritual creativity. Most Christian creeds are actually already polytheistic, even though they refuse to admit it...God, Jesus, Virgin Mary, saints, etc. Time for new religions, ones that heal the spiritual wounds of mankind, not constrain them into a lifetime of mindless ritual and serve as a cover for tribal prejudices.
Ah GlenN!, shucks...
You're not unpoopular because you're a Christian. And you're not unpoopular because you're a Mormon.
You're unpoopular because you're a MORON.
It's just that simple. I'm just a simple guy myself. It's simple!
Can you honestly say that after reading the above post? There is hatred for him completely based off of his faith. he was just accused of being a devil worshipper. If that is not Bias then i dont know what is.
I think your sense of "bias" derives from the unschooled format and verbiage of the post: nothing there appears to base any differential or invidious judgement of Beck, solely upon his religion. It, instead, throws an accusation I have heard from a dozen pulpits, that Beck worships money and acclaim over any "Christian" God. That appears to be an attempt to rebut Beck's claim that he is a Christian - the essence of most of this thread, in fact.
The largest flaw in most of these arguments, including my own several, is that "being Christian" is entirely subjective, and if one claims to be, then one is. Then we must shift the argument to whether that person "follows the Path" - Beck does not appear to do so.
True. I have to agree. I was taking it in more of a litaral sense. but his accusation can easily be refuted. If somebody worships money more than he loves his god then you can be pretty sure he is a greedy bastard. But Beck just happens to give 10% of Everything he earns to his god. i dont think a lot of people could claim that.
Nor could most of them post a resume full of lies, racism, hatred, bigotry, and self-interest; otherwise, more of them would be employed to spew that filth upon us. Tithing is a good thing - among many, many bad behaviors of Beck.
While it wasn't remote near the truth and Beck is a moron... I thought this was pretty funny. :)
If Glenn is truly tired of being the least popular person in the world, I suggest he turn off his radio and make it a unanimous decision.
Poor lonely Beck is crying all the way to the bank. Boo Hoo. Ask me if I give a damn.
I, for one, hope that Beck continues his fight.It may not happen in our lifetimes, but I pray for the day when we see a white Christian male as the CEO of a large corporation, or even in the White House.
It could happen. Especially w/increasing sensitivity to diversity.
We can all dream. Can't we? We shall overcome!
Green grass and high tides forever.
....kidding. Never smoked.....just had to say that.
Glen loves America so much that he is willing to devote his career to dividing it with hate.
Recently, I read a "text book" definition of fascism that appears to describe the histrionics of Glenn Beck:
Beck has repeatedly characterized public figures with whom he disagrees as Nazis and that reminds me of the schoolyard taunt "takes one to know one".
Well this quote can be direcly and probably more accurately be compared to mmfa. glenn is one man and this is a malitia of people. this either works for both or works for niether.
if you dont beleive me just look at the mission statement.
I don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. Could you please be much more specific?
If you are truly saying that MMFA's mission statement means they conform to that description of Facsism then you need to look into adult education, specifically reading comprehension classes.
merely stating the fact that yes you could say he is being over dramatic with his show but no more than some of these threads. some comments are takin out of context and used against him unfairly and unethically just to further somebody elses agenda. not his own. and yes, i was being very vague. i was replying in between workloads at my job. sorry for not giving you the preoper respect and time.
It would be appreciated if you would post when you have some time to support your argument with some examples. I don't see where MMFA has misrepresented anything about Mr. Beck. Please demonstrate your case when you can find the time. Vague responses really don't advance the dialogue much.
isnt that what i just wrote. and even apoligized for. sheesh. even whan you apoligize you get beat up.
Not really, for instance when you claimed MMFA took him out of context, can you cough up an EXAMPLE of him being taken out of context? This is a kneejerk rightwing tactic to claim they are being taken out of context when confronted IN CONTEXT with their own words. I am not claiming you are a rightwingnut only that this IS a tactic we often see.
yes, for example, he said he did not hang out with black people people because he was afraid that he would say something that would offend them. the downside to this anal pc world we are creating. but him being worried about offending a black person got translated into he's rascist against blacks. and im not saying that every word he says is takin out of context. i'm saying that i would be a fool if i did not realize that some of what Everybody says is takin out of context at one time or another. especially in politics.
Maybe I didn't make myself very clear. I know you don't have much time to post. Maybe you should refrain from posting when you don't have much time. The result of your hasty posting was a vague response without any examples to indicate your meaning.
I am kind of baffled that you didn't reply with more specific points and some examples instead of oddly assuming I didn't understand your previous post.
This is a guy who once called Jimmy Carter a waste of skin. Now exactly what context could Beck put that in to make it a reasonable statement unless he preceded it by saying I would have to be an incredible jerk to say...? MMFA doesnt take the things he says out of context they GIVE the context including links. Beck is a jerk, he acts like a jerk. I dont care if he intermittently mixes reasonable statements with his moronic behavior, that just isnt an excuse. He is being held accountable for his JERKLIKE behavior. If the principle brought home your kid saying he screamed and cursed at his teacher would it be an excuse to say well he is USUALLY respectful to his elders? NO. This is the same.
What have conservitives done to earn respect? Besides being WHINY LITTLE TITTY BABIES?
I guess it proves the old saying, "it's hard out there for a white american christian conservative who has his own nightly television show." Seriously though, people don't like glenn because he's a bigot, an idiot, and a liar, not to mention an overall less than average human being. Glenn knows people don't like him and he identifies with being "a white human that loves america and happens to be christian." Which brings him to the conclusion that nobody likes white christian americans. Sounds like a defense mechanism.
Obviously, nobody here actually LISTENS to Beck's show. MMFA simply takes little quotes out of context and then tries to drum up support for silencing his viewpoint and opinion.
Look, disagree if you want, but to suggest that someone be taken off the air because you disagree is censorship...right?
Really, what is the intention of this site if not censorship of non-leftwing viewpoints? In your perfect world, would there only be Al Franken?
I've listened to Beck's show. This item is representative. He does not offer additional context that makes him sound less like a fool. He is occasionally funny but generally operates at about the level of the average local "Morning Zoo" drive-time clown, except with a simplistic political bent that appeals to enough like-minded whiners to earn him moderate success on a national scale.
Who specifically is advocating censorship of Beck? I personally hope he goes off the air due to a lack of interest or ratings and related drops in ad revenue. In other words, I hope he loses in the marketplace of ideas.
You tried to say Tex was advocating censorship above, but it appears you did not quite appreciate his point correctly. Who is advocating censorship and why didn't you respond directly to their post, so we know what you are talking about?
Another clue to fascists: they throw baseless, fabricated charges at those with whom they differ, in order to debase those others in the public eye. For example, someone just accused MMFA of being fascist, for presenting the very words that Beck spoke, and offering the opportunity to develop and present our own thoughts on those words.
This is a quote from TEX's post: "Take Beck off the air, and MMFA will leave him alone. Fair enough?"
Take Beck off the air? Why would they do that when millions are listening and find it entertaining? Because MMFA and other left wing blogs want to bully those in the media to its agenda.
Here's an example; Where was MMFA when Rosie O'Donnell blathers on about a 9/11 conspiracy in the tower 7 collapse? Rosie gets a pass from MMFA - no mention of her moronic tirades on "the View". Why? Because she is on board with the left agenda - she gets a pass.
And don't start with the "it's the public airwaves". If you don't like it - turn the channel. I don' t ever agree with Bill Maher or Rosie or Al Franken, but I would never say they should be taken off the air.
I, too, blather on about the possibility - no, the CERTAINY - that the Administration told a number of lies about 9/11, and the consequent creep of doubts about things that were told to us that seem to defy physics and reason - but that is a whole other thread. the point here, is that Tex (nor others) did not require that Beck be removed from the airwaves, public or otherwise; rather, that the expedient method of preventing MMFA and others from exposing his lies, racism, and general hatred, would be if he were to remove himself. .
Would that I had typed "CERTAINTY"!
Hilarious.
First you baselessly accuse MMFA of taking Beck out of context and then you turn around and do the exact same thing to Tex. Unbelievable!
Here is the part of Tex's post you dishonestly omitted right before your cherry-picked line:
"Rightwing bloviators should cease getting MMFA's attention as soon as they are no longer broadcasting their words to the public. Simple enough. As long as they're propagandizing over the airwaves, or contacting mass audiences, then their words are subject to being scrutinized, and corrected."
It is clear Tex is not calling for censorship in his post when read in its entire context.
"Hilarious.
First you baselessly accuse MMFA of taking Beck out of context and then you turn around and do the exact same thing to Tex. Unbelievable!
Here is the part of Tex's post you dishonestly omitted right before your cherry-picked line:
"Rightwing bloviators should cease getting MMFA's attention as soon as they are no longer broadcasting their words to the public. Simple enough. As long as they're propagandizing over the airwaves, or contacting mass audiences, then their words are subject to being scrutinized, and corrected."
It is clear Tex is not calling for censorship in his post when read in its entire context."
Okay - good point -But it illustrates MY point that context is everything.
By the way - you don't know me well enough to call me dishonest.
That is right. MMFA doesnt claim to watch both sides of the aisle, just like Mediawatch doesnt make that claim. So what. Want to see the other side go to the websites that do THAT. As long as they dont CLAIM to do both sides its not hypocrisy to only cover one side. Just like the organizations that try to cover liberal media bias
No its NOT censorship. First of all few people much less MMFA have advocated taking him off the air. Second even if they DID that is NOT censorship. WE OWN THE AIRWAVES, THEY BELONG TO US. We have a right to suggest how they be used. When someone says Beck should be arrested for saying or writing what he wants you will have a point, until then, or until you say MY freespeech rights are being denied either because I dont have a TV show or because I cant put up a billboard in YOUR frontyard YOU HAVE NO POINT.
"MMFA simply takes little quotes out of context and then tries to drum up support for silencing his viewpoint and opinion."--goodfellas
For example? Please be specific at how MMFA is supposedly "deceiving" all of us here.
Where does MMFA "tr[y] to drum up support for silencing [Beck's] viewpoint and opinion"? I didn't see that in the article above.
Where does MMFA "tr[y] to drum up support for silencing [Beck's] viewpoint and opinion"? I didn't see that in the article above.
This is from the MMFA "Action Center":
"You can join Media Matters for America in the fight against conservative misinformation in the media. We regularly provide action items based on our real-time monitoring of the media and conduct action campaigns to prevent the spread of conservative misinformation."
Am I misreading this? If one wants to "prevent the spread" of an idea, the first thing would be to silence those who are speading them.
This is pretty typical. Conservatives ALWAYS claim victimhood, be it from Communists, terrorists, "reverse discrimination", integrationists, gays, atheists, liberals, Muslims, the French, secular humanists, vegetarians, environmentalists, academics, brown people, black people, non-white people, sinners, abortionists, animal rights activists. I could go on.
Conservatism is all about "conserving" a past time whrn White christian Males had all the power and no one challenged them.
Idiots!
He's a whiner, too.
"I feel nuttin' but love from the Left.
LEFT----LOVE. LOVE----LEFT. Veritable peas in a pod."
I'm a hateful liberal. I'll admit it. I hate the Right and what they have done to the American people and the world at large. I hate them because they've screwed me and damn near everyone else who isn't a part of their little clique. And I hate people like Glen Beck for being bootlicking shills for their causes.
Right of what? What "little clique". 'Scuse me, but you're sounding a lot like Beck.
Here--have a coupla Bitch Creeks (my favorite beer), and relax.
Being a black American, I can safely say Beck isn't criticized because he's a white, conservative christian, but probably because he's just plain wrong.... He needs to look at the man in the mirror and understand that individual before he starts to judge others....