Savage called Clinton's Rutgers speech "Hitler dialogue," added, "Goebbels would be proud of you"

On the April 23 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage played an audio clip of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) April 20 speech at Rutgers University in which Clinton commented on the April 18 Supreme Court ruling that upheld the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. In the clip, Clinton asked, "What message does it send when the Supreme Court decides that women's health doesn't matter?" In response, Savage stated: "That's rubbish. That's Hitler dialogue. [Joseph] Goebbels [information minister in Nazi Germany] would be proud of you, Hillary Clinton. I know [former Chinese communist leader] Mao Zedong would have been proud of you." Savage also referred to Clinton as a "liar" and a "sickening person," and added, "[T]his is life and death you are talking about. It's not about women's health."
However, statements by experts on gynecology and obstetrics contradict Savage's assertion that the ban is "not about women's health." In a dissent to the Supreme Court's majority opinion, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted that the court's decision "tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)." Ginsburg also wrote: "Retreating from prior rulings that abortion restrictions cannot be imposed absent an exception safeguarding a woman's health, the Court upholds an Act that surely would not survive under the close scrutiny that previously attended state-decreed limitations on a woman's reproductive choices."
Ginsburg went on to cite experts opposed to the ban who said that the procedure "is significantly safer for women with certain pregnancy-related conditions, such as placenta previa and accreta, and for women carrying fetuses with certain abnormalities, such as severe hydrocephalus."
Furthermore, an April 18 press release from the ACOG quoted its president, Dr. Douglas W. Laube, saying that the decision to uphold the ban is "shameful and incomprehensible." The statement also reiterated the ACOG's assertion that the ban "gravely endanger[s] the health of women in this country."
As Media Matters for America has noted, Savage often lashes out against prominent Democrats and progressives. He has referred to Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) as "a loud-mouthed, foul-tempered woman," and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) as a "dirty socialist" who should "go to hell." Savage also "doubt[ed]" that Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "would take our side" after a terrorist attack. Savage has also provided a platform for InsightMag.com's Jeffrey Kuhner to repeatedly smear Clinton with false and debunked claims.
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, says that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it the third most-listened-to talk radio show in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the April 23 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
CLINTON [audio clip]: We've all seen it, and we have all heard it. When women and girls are objectified and devalued in popular culture, when a young black man can't get a cab at night, when a Muslim-American is a victim of a hate crime in the aftermath of 9-11, when a gay person is harassed at school or in the workplace. It even happens in a broader context, when people are silenced because they don't adhere to a particular --
SAVAGE: All right, turn her off. Hillary Clinton has and always will be a divider. Hillary Clinton has and always will be a race-baiter, a class-baiter. Hillary Clinton, plain and simple, has not changed at all. She may believe she did. And the fools in New York City were fooled by her. They like to think they're smarter than everybody. They're not smarter than anybody. They're rubes. I've found people in New York to be the biggest rubes in America because -- for one reason: They think they're smarter than everybody. And those who think they're smarter than everybody are usually the rube, by the way. And so they objectify anybody who lives west of the Hudson [River], ya hear? That's not objectification?
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SAVAGE: Listen again to clip 10 now.
CLINTON [audio clip]: What message does it send when the Supreme Court decides that women's health doesn't matter? Now that Justice --
SAVAGE: Hold it, hold it. Women's health? You liar. You know, you are really a sickening person, Hillary. I've got to tell you, I've kept my hands away from this. But I will not stand idly by while you're talking about killing embryos up to the ninth month and call it women's health. That's rubbish. That's Hitler dialogue. Goebbels would be proud of you, Hillary Clinton. I know Mao Zedong would have been proud of you. But this is life and death you are talking about. It's not about women's health. It's about killing babies in the womb up to the ninth month.











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I'm sure after this rant that many women will be consulting with the good Dr Savage about their difficult health decisions. Just what women need, an angry old man deciding for them what to do in a life or death situation. Savage again demonstrates his refusal to live in modern 21 st century reality.
And, so did Ginsburg. She says the procedure should be allowed because abortion doctors said it is needed. You claim Savage is a danger, I claim Ginsburg is a danger. She couldn't even back up her claim of necassecity with proof. Not ONE case was mentioned where partial birth abortion was medically necassary. Some SC justice, she can't even back up her own statements with proof. Hmmm, I wonder if she is a liberal. Many of those do the same thing.
Ginsburg is an evil old hag. I can't wait for her to retire.
"Old' is a superfluous adjective before "hag." A hag is always old. Therefore, "old" is redundant.
And Weinerdog is an insane drooling psychotic. I cant wait for the men in the white suits to come with the butterfly nets and take him to his rubber room where he can plot world dominance with Napolean and Dangermouse
The part about Boxer being a " loud-mouthed, foul-tempered woman" was great. I can't stand that woman.
I disagree.
I think you CAN stand that woman.
It's documented here that she's been a senator since 1993. And if you go here, you'll see that it's nearly undisputable that both she and you have been residents of the same planet - earth. Also, by examining the time stamp of your comment (Thursday April 26, 2007 09:27:18 AM EST), it can be established that you are still alive, but also that you have reached at least the 4th grade level of education, meaning that you are at least 9 years old. That overlap of time periods (your life and Boxer's service) indicates a coexistence, which would not be possible if your statement that you "can't stand that woman" was true.
I conclude, therefore, that you are maliciously exaggerating the extent of your dislike.
Now I'm in love with you, neon.
Savage has Boxer pegged.
Weinerdog is insane, he doesnt have the day of the week pegged.
Awwwwwwwwwww, the libs got spanked by the United States Supreme Court on this one. Now they're mad. Poor babies. Savage is 100% correct about Hitlery errrrrr Hillary. Kudos to the sane majority of the court that ruled in favor of the infanticide ban. The AMA happens to agree with Dr. Savage here.
Here comes the Supreme-Dictator court about to open pandora's box.... speaking of Lee on the other post, I believe the next U.S. civil war could be over abortion... keep taking peoples' rights over their own body away and there will be hell to pay...
"I believe the next U.S. civil war could be over abortion"
Well I guess that it would only be fitting for a civil war to follow a Holocaust. There's been 45 million unborn babies that have been murdered in this Holocaust, so I guess that probably would be cause for a civil war.
That kind of rhetoric belongs on a big sign next to a picture of a chopped up fetus, not on this website.
I, Oh forgot. Dissenting views aren't allowed in the world of liberalism. Sorry about that.
Which is why it's traitorous to say anything negative about Herr Bush or his war.
No what you forgot, in fact what you refuse to aknowlege is that after you give YOUR views you get to hear OURS on what you said. This really isnt that complicated. Did I miss the part where he told you to stop posting? No, I guess that didnt happen. Just basic criticism causing your martyr complex to kick in
Did I miss the part where he told you to stop posting? No, I guess that didnt happen.
Perhaps you missed the part where mr scientist says 'don't post that stuff here'. You usually say something about 'higher brain functions' right about now. Will you do it again for us? I like it when you don't have it, but blame others for not having it.
That kind of rhetoric belongs on a big sign next to a picture of a chopped up fetus, not on this website.
Man, you must be doing an impersonation of someone without a clue. No one could really be that dense. You claimed it said dont post that stuff here then you even reproduced the entire post which of course did NOT SAY DONT POST THAT STUFF HERE. He gave his opinion that it belonged somewhere else and not here. That is NOT saying dont post that here or demanding it not be posted here. That is sayin it belongs somewhere else instead of here. No demand. You havent made YOUR usual rude, insulting characterisation of liberals in this post so I have no reason to be rude to you. I have to ask. Please be honest did you REALLY think your post was somehow a refutation of mine? I mean REALLY?
Man, you must be doing an impersonation of someone without a clue.
I AM! And you still have no clue and still show how stupid you are. Mr scientist said that belongs on a billboard, not on this website. How much more clear can you get? That was obviously not opinion, but rather an instruction. If it was opinion, mr scientist would have left 'not on this website' out of the statement. It's fun continually explaining things to you. One day you'll thank me.
But, of course, mr scientist just trolls from post to post making stupid comments like that without ever providing any back up for his statements. I'm surprised you haven't started calling him a troll like you do every non-liberal who posts on this site. But, like in the ho case, liberals expose themselves for the hypocrits they are when they only demand non-liberals obey the rules the entire nation is expected to follow.
...you say as you post on a liberal site...
if all right wing nazis like you were aborted we would not have the most of the problems we have in this country
Yeah, given the chance you'll be sure to change the rules on abortion to allow killing all babies that conservatives or republicans have just because you dont' like their stance on critical issues. That is certainly a democratic way of thinking! Gee, it sure is tough having to deal with alternate opinions, huh? I guess all liberals would like to see the removal of everyone who doesn't fall lock-step in line with your thought patterns.
45 million unborn babies and a zillion un-thunk thoughts on the subject.
A Holocaust... mhm.
So what about women's health? Do you care about that? What about the expert opinions...? Savage over science, I guess.
Prost, Jungs, der Joseph wäre stoltz auf euch. Noch ein wenig Brause gefällig? (Mist, schreibt man stoltz jezt mit "z" oder "tz"? Egal.)
Ich möchte ein großes Bier...
Warum sprechen wir Deutsch? Meine vocabular is nun so klein. Es war veile yarhe vor das Ich habe Deutsch studiert und Ich glaube das Ich habe eine eselhund bekomen.
I think Kaleun is German. I just went to a handy German phrases site and copied.
So Savage is a Nazi because he's against infanticide?
Yes! Haven't you followed ANY of mmfa's previous posts about him? Obviously, they and all liberals are insightful and respectful to others so whatever their opinion is of anyone must be correct.
Hey, do women have a right to sell their own bodies or put illegal drus into their own bodies? And aren;t we talking about two separate bodies when we're discussing abortion? After all, the baby's DNA is different from the mother's. And isn't it a bit sick to suggest a civil war over the killings of innocent babies? I realize the similarities between slavery (i.e., social death) and abortion (i.e., actual death), but who in the right mind would go to war for the "right" to kill? Once again, a liberal has demonstrated that liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.
Hey, do women have a right to sell their own bodies or put illegal drus into their own bodies? - I'd say they do. But since that was a rhetorical question...
And aren;t we talking about two separate bodies when we're discussing abortion? After all, the baby's DNA is different from the mother's. - If it's two separate bodies, then why does a fetus depend on its mother for its basic life functions?
And isn't it a bit sick to suggest a civil war over the killings of innocent babies? I realize the similarities between slavery (i.e., social death) and abortion (i.e., actual death), but who in the right mind would go to war for the "right" to kill? - Nowhere did that member suggest that a civil war over abortion rights would be a good thing, just that it could happen. Yes, it would be sick, but it's a sick world we live in. Of course, you have the "right" to disagree.
Once again, a liberal has demonstrated that liberalism is indeed a mental disorder. - "He disagrees with me! He must have a mental disorder!" So does that mean, in your mind, dictators are TOO sane?
Kevin: "Once again, a liberal has demonstrated that liberalism is indeed a mental disorder."
Why, hi, Mr. Hyperbole! Savage much?
Regarding Savage, on the continuum of political frameworks, communism is at one end and fascism at another. When Savage compares Hillary to Mao and Goebbels, he reveals that his doctorate should be returned. It's an elementary error and reveals a mind divorced from discipline and decency.
Rino Hunter, thanks for revealing that you're not a party line repeater in the other thread. Regarding abortion, I worked with trashed children for decades. They weren't white enough, rich enough, or cuddly enough, so they were human refuse. I fed them, clothed them, and loved them. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars caring for them and worked countless 16-hour days. I think one place that anti-abortion folks and pro-abortion folks can unite is in caring for these unwanted and less wanted children. I would be open to banning abortion if folks stepped up to care for these children. There are so many of them waiting, right now, for safety, for food, for half a chance.
Do you know how many children go unadopted because they're too black? Too old? Too behaviorally problematic? I expect you don't because this isn't your domain of expertise, but it is mine. When I taught, I purchased their food, their school supplies, their shoes, and their dental care. I've never owned a new car or a new appliance so that I could afford to care for a few of America's teeming less loved and unloved children. Whereas arguments can be made that a fetus, being utterly dependent upon the mother, isn't quite human, and counter-arguments can be made that life begins at conception, I know, for I witnessed it for decades, that there are hungry children in America. I saw it in Appalachia. I saw it on a reservation. I saw it in inner cities.
These children were all innocent. Every single one. Perhaps you can't adopt, Rino, or be a foster father, but you can give and give and give to folks who care for suffering kids. In the end, I think that abortion is murder. Likewise, I think that Iraq is murder and capital punishment too. Those all murders that we commit, individually and collectively. But these murders of commission are small compared to the number of murders of omission. You understand that children died today in Africa. You abided that. I did too. So, whereas one can rail about innocent fetuses being aborted, one rails while walking, breathing children die, day after day. While children are raped and starved and made to sleep with cockroaches and walk about with rotting teeth, in America and elsewhere.
Wow. A beautiful and powerful post Holly. You are truly an inspiration.
Thanks, babe.
I'll echo that--well done, Holly!
I've only read the first couple dozen comments so far, and an amazingly consistent thing keeps coming out, from Savage himself and from his defenders on this board: they are so constitutionally full of hate, yet they claim to love the unborn.
To which I say: Rubbish! These two cannot coexist. I truly believe the only reason they are "pro-life" is because it's conservatively correct to be so. They see it as a way, not of improving anyone's life, but to restrict someone's freedom.
When a person is really pro-life, he or she will manifest that desire to improve people's lives in other areas as well, such as in the abolition of the death penalty, in the regulations of the tobacco industry and the gun lobby, in the lessening of corporate pollution (and the general improvement of the environment overall), and in making proper health care more available.
I, for one, would like to see abortions disappear, and certainly so for cases that don't involve rape, incest, or the health of the mother. But even if that happened, there are still a lot of other issues that effect people's lives that conservatives have generally shown that they care very little about, especially if the almighty dollar signs get in the way.
Furthermore, Savage has his history twisted, which is hardly anything new. The Nazis were vehemently anti-abortion (they were hardly "pro-life," were they?)--they made it a crime punishable by imprisonment on the first offense, and a capital crime for the second offense. In other words, Goebbels & Co. were like Savage, not like Hillary.
By the way, Holly, take a gander at what Autopilot writes below. You can feel a nice breeze from his swings and misses.
I see no connection whatsoever between abortion and the death penalty. One is the killing of innocent life; the other is justice. I'm also proudly pro gun, as I believe in a God given right to self defense. Liberals should stop projecting.
Savage compared Hitlery to Goebbels because she has a total disregard for innocent human life, much like the Nazis.
Weinerdog made that comparison because he is psychotic. YOU call Senator Clinton Hitlery because you are a moron. Thats probably why you think the psychotic makes sense.
Oh, I agree with you, political_left-religious_right. You can't be pro-life and pro-war, pro-poverty, pro-racism, pro-death penalty, etc. Of course, I know the hoary argument about innocent life, but you can't be pro-Christ and belief that you're entitled to demarcate innocence. So, either one is anti-Christ and chooses whom lives and dies or one is pro-Christ and waits for divine judgment. The Bible is quite clear, again and again and again, about not judging another.
You can't be pro-Christ and believe, not "belief." "Belief" is a noun. Secondly, the Bible is pro death penalty, not against it. Romans 13:1-5, which comes after Jesus, supports the right of the state to execute murderers, for Jesus did not overturn Jewish law. The verse "Judge not" is constantly misinterpreted by liberals; it's anti-hypocrisy as well as against judging someone's soul to hell. The verse does not prohibit society from punishing criminals. If punishment were judgment, then it would be wrong for us to have a justice system. Even Jesus said that a man who causes a little one to sin should have a millstone tied around his neck and be tossed into the sea.
Yes, very good. Except for one thing. What does that have to do with savage comparing clinton to mao? You started with that question and then left it totally along. Does that mean whoever you were aiming that speach at was right about liberalism, since you decided not to address that in your speach about hungry kids?
Auto: "Yes, very good. Except for one thing. What does that have to do with savage comparing clinton to mao? You started with that question and then left it totally along."
Nope, I made my point and proceeded to another. It's called brevity, babe.
As far as "speach" (sic)-making, you don't get to critique my "speach" until you can spell "speech."
There are erudite conservatives, like the lovely and witty J-2. Tommy's also quite clever and rino hunter has his moments, but some of you righties make me wish that there were standards to tap on a keyboard.
I see we have a Dale Carnegie graduate among us.
I'd never criticize someone form misspelling a word (or several). But what I really depend on is that thing in my brain that prevents me from jumping on someone else to show how superior I think I might be. I don't know what it is, but yours seems to be broken.
Again, buck up. You're an attack dog who's whining because a kitten scratched you.
Here's an example of your mauling, which is a blend of sarcasm and indifference to the ongoing needs of children: "Thanks for your support, I hope you're not in charge of them now."
And you're whining because I suggested that you learn how to spell "speach" before employing it. I thought conservatives cared about benchmarks. Standards. Fluency in English. Don't you?
I took that statement almost word for word from worrierking (on another thread). I see you didn't call him names like that.
You are such a hypocrit. On one hand you say you've taken care of hundreds or thousands of kids who are 'victims' of society. Then you say you would rather see them aborted so it relieves you of the burden of taking care of the kids. Who are you worried about, YOU or them? Hypocrit! Then you have the nerve to tell us what the Bible says on anything. Just because you read the Bible does not make you an authority on it. Because, IF you were an authority you would not post lies time and time again. You seem more like a detractor, who pulls people away from God, not toward Him while you use those false statements.
I would be open to banning abortion if folks stepped up to care for these children. There are so many of them waiting, right now, for safety, for food, for half a chance.
Wait, aren't they in a safe place right now? Aren't they getting fed? Are you saying they do not have half a chance where they already are? What it sounds like you are saying is that since these kids have NO chance at a normal life we should just kill them or continue killing them before they are born. I thought you were against murder, yet you seem to be saying that if these kids aren't wanted then you may as well kill them. Thanks for your support, I hope you're not in charge of them now. Especially since you feel they should be killed if nobody else steps up to the plate.
I offered an olive branch and you slip into hysterics. Hysterics are not attractive, fella. Buck up.
Now, I suspect that you're ignorant of the suffering that some children endure. I won't waste any more words, for I suspect you'd rather fight than advance your understanding.
I'm not ignorant of the suffering of the little children. I just don't support killing unborn ones to prevent them from being a part of humanity, like YOU DO. When you can show that these babies are going to ALL be stuck in your homeless shelter then perhaps you have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you made a long speach (sic) about homeless kids on an "evil savage" thread for nothing, except your own entertainment and self-image building.
My post was germane because I believe that words mean next to nothing. Consider the SUV driver who "supports" the troops in the oil war, but doesn't enlist or enlist her son and doesn't volunteer at a V.A. hospital. Such support is as phony and tragic as Michael Jackson's face.
If you say you're pro-life and pro-children, but you don't sacrifice for the horde of unloved, unwanted, unfed, unwashed, lice-ridden children with rotting teeth, you don't deserve your lips, your tongue, your teeth, and your larnyx. You deserve silence and shame.
So, all the men and women that couldn't serve during wwii or korea or nam and had to raise a family on one income should all be shamed and silenced because they weren't there to relieve YOU of YOUR burden? You sound very bitter. You might consider another line of work. One where lives don't depend on your sanity. Let someone who isn't disallusioned take over.
Savage doesn't need to return his doctorate. As he has said many times, fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin. They're both anti-freedom and anti-humanity. Stalin and Hitler, for example, were both savage dictators who hated freedom despite theoretical differences of political ideology.
On the political continuum, communism and fascism are at opposite ends. Savageforpresident, you are infatuated with Savage.
No liberalism isnt a mental disorder. Find someone with an IQ above that of a dustbunny to explain this post to you. See the thing is you are SO BONE IGNORANT, that you cannot even RECOGNIZE higher brain function and accomplishing it is beyond your wildest dreams. So not having the chance of a snowball in Saudi Arabia of understanding higher brain function, in your seriously substandard excuse for a brain it just LOOKS like a mental disorder to you. Now Weinerdog is insane so he just sees insanity everywhere. YOU are just stupid and so you cant make the distinction I noted.
Yeah, here's an example of liberal "higher brain function":
" More important, Congress claimed there was a medical consensus that the banned procedure is never necessary. ....... There was, however, a substantial body of medical opinion presented to Congress in opposition. "; Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in her dissent to the ban on partial birth abortion. (link provided by mmfa)
Her "higher brain fuction" is that this procedure is medically necassary because a group of abortion doctors say so. She couldn't be bothered actually finding a real case that supports her statement. She decided someone telling her was enough to make law. What a moron.
<>The "liberalism" of today as espoused by the likes of Clinton (both), Krerry, Gore (global warming nutjob mental disorder), Obama ("free" health care for EVERYBODY: meaning higher, and I mean HIGHER taxes), Kucinich (mental defective disorder)....is pretty darn close to some kind of a mental disorder.
<>Who do you think is in the vanguard of today's liberals?
<>I'm sorry. I simply cannot dumb down any answer enough to be understood by anyone as incredibly stupid as you. I wipe things off my shoes more successfully exhibit higher brain function than you ever will. Your ignorance is so astonishingly apparant that it would waste my valuable time to compose a long post explaining things to you that any five year old already knows. Since you already prove my premise with your every post there simply is no reason for me to do more than point to your posts and say, see, moronity on a galactic scale.
Solon, do you keep a massive word document with all these great statements like in the post above that is titled "I am superior" on your computer? The only "progressive" thing about you is your ability to come up with new ways of putting yourself above everyone else intellectually.
No this stuff just rolls off my keyboard.Conservatives just THINK us liberals act superior. Thats because their normal subhuman lack of intellect and basic decency makes that bar so low that they are insecure about how inferior they keep acting. Thanks for keeping that conservative tradition alive.
The "liberalism" of today as espoused by the likes of Clinton (both), Krerry, Gore (global warming nutjob mental disorder), Obama ("free" health care for EVERYBODY: meaning higher, and I mean HIGHER taxes), Kucinich (mental defective disorder)....is pretty darn close to some kind of a mental disorder.
Who do you think is in the vanguard of today's liberals?
Sorry for the DP.
Kevin, you're absolutely right. It's a mental disorder.
Its not our fault that posters like you and Kevin are so incredibly, undeniably ignorant, your stupidity prevents you for recognizing higher brain function and in your fear of things you dont understand mistaking it for a mental disorder.
Your bully tactics don't scare anyone. And I can see you get your rocks off calling all those you disagree with names like stupid, moron,... what a joke!
You are the most inane poster, on any site that I've ever seen.
Congratulations. Now go gargle and get a life.
Savage would have said, "Go gargle with Rogaine, and grow a beard on your tongue."
Gee that would be clever for a jr High special ed class. And they pay him to say things like that? The only thing more amazing is that actual adults think its worth listening to.
Not trying to bully anyone. I guess in your world. A very dark place defined by galactic level stupidity, its OK for Conservatives telling us liberals that liberalism is a mental disorder. Thats fine but if we DARE to point out that ou are as ignorant as water is wet. WE are being bullys and being mean. Because it is ONLY conservatives that can insult us. WE mustnt be mean to you poor martyrlike conservatives. I just love to hear the snivelling of crybaby conservatives WWWAAHHHHHH how dare you treat us the way we treat you. What I dont get is how even someone as dumb as you doesnt see how incredibly pathetic it is to come in here insulting us then whining louder than an ambulance siren that we are insulting you back. Sad but amusing
WWWAAHHHHHH how dare you treat us the way we treat you.
Let me guess, you are using the wwaahh statement again? I think he's right, you just regurjitate all those statements over and over again. You're not whining because conservatives whine THAT you whine, you're whining because you CAN. Some people are good at discussing subjects, some people are good at whining about discussing subjects and finally some people are good at whining about others having an opinion. You have taken "expert" to a new level on the last 2. You need a lot of practice on the first, since you never actually discuss 'on topic'. You're more of a troll. Yeah, a troll with a license from mmfa. You are allowed to troll thread after thread without the normal requirements that mmfa states are needed here: http://mediamatters.org/etc/terms
But, being a liberal that means you don't have to follow law OR rules, does it?!? I challenge you to follow mmfa procedures for ONE week, can you do that? I know it will be as hard as stopping smoking but if you put your mind to it then you can get it done. You might even find out that people like you. My guess is you can't follow the rules for one post, let alone one week.
Liberals want a civil war over abortion? Here, I always thought that liberals were peaceful, yet they want to kill people over the right to kill babies. Anyone who'd start a war over that belongs in hell. Of course, libs laugh at any conservative who'd dare say that there'll be a civil war if the government takes away our constitutional right to bear arms. No liberal cares about that freedom.
Oh goodness, this thread is gonna be one huge can of worms.
Yeah, I can't believe it's been up for 20 Minutes without one "salivating gleefully over abortions" or "happily sucking tiny babies brains out with a vacuum".
The fetus fetish crew must be napping.
Oh, so you think that the worms should be excluded from intelligent debate, do you? You objectify anything that lives in cans, ya hear? I suppose you think that the worms should be kept in within their tin walls, only impaled on hooks for catching fish, huh?
You --- you --- bait baiter.
Oh, stop it you PC Nazi.
The real issue is the rights of fish to eat anything they want. And if their worm has a hook in it the market will correct itself because fish will stop eating worms.
Oh! Nazi! Roundhouse referred to nazi! Did everybody see that? Everyone? I hereby invoke Godwin's law!
I WIN!!!! YOU LOSE!!! LOSER!!! YOU'LL THINK TWICE NEXT TIME ABOUT USING YOUR HITLER TACTICS AGAINST...
oh crap...
Nuh-uh, nuh-uh. I win, you lose. You were spreading worm propaganda and Goodwin only applies when the nazi comparison is inappropriate.
You're oppressing me! This is speechocide! Free speech killer! Censorship stops a bleeting mouth!
Neondesert, funny guys rock.
Therefore, you rock!
Oh, how typical. Give the comedian all the love. The straight man in the act is just a prop, doesn't get props.
Well, if he's a funny guy and he rocks, then since I'm not a funny a guy, do I erode? Do I recline? What?
Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, guess I'll just eat worms.
Sorry, Roundhouse. You get half a HollyChip (TM).
Doesn't savage think he's smarter than everybody? =0
Why does Savage think that letting everybody have their rights is like Hitler, who wanted to take away people's rights?
Savage's take on "Lib'ruls": not only would we tax everyone who works for a living, on the order of 110% of any income above the poverty level, we would spend all the stolen monies by forcing every woman to have at least one abortion - usually "partial-birth" - prior to awarding her franchise. Moreover, she would be required to submit proof of an abortion during the prior 24 months, in order to be allowed to vote in any Federal election.
That's just the beginning. The ultimate goal? Abortions for men! It'll be awesome...
I guess I just never got over thinking "inside" the box. Thanks!
Savage is for rights. He's for the right of a baby to not have his brain crushed in an abortion. He's also for the constitutional right of the people to bear arms. Savage is pro freedom.
Tapes from Michael Savage's radio show should be played at every Democratic campaign rally in the 2008 race.
I appreciate the Savage Weiner: he makes me remember what I'm fighting for.
"They're rubes. I've found people in New York to be the biggest rubes in America because -- for one reason: They think they're smarter than everybody. And those who think they're smarter than everybody are usually the rube, by the way."
I'd be hard pressed to find anyone on the radio dial who has a higher opinion of his own intellect than Michael Savage.
As for "Hitler dialogue," here's Savage on Muslims:
"Intelligent people, wealthy people...are very depressed by the weakness that America is showing to these psychotics in the Muslim world. They say, 'Oh, there’s a billion of them.' I said, 'So, kill 100 million of them; then there'd be 900 million of them.'" Savage has also advocated a nuclear attack on a "major Arab capital."
You left out where Savage said, "Would you rather us die than them?," which shows the context of that statement. He meant that America may eventually have to kill that many if the Islamofascists try to kill that many of us. Savage is for our nation's right to defend itself, not to simply kill one hundred million people for no reason.
Your mindreading aside. What you add in no way means he meant what you WISH he had said. His false dichotomy about us or them is only further evidence of his insanity not any clarification of his homocidal psychopathic advocations. His point could as easily be seen to mean there are too many Muslims, we need to kill one hundred million of them so there arent so many. If we dont they may come and get us. Weinerdog by the way will be found hiding under his bed. The man is insane. Anyone who takes him seriously needs to seek the help of a mental health professional immediatly the projection you talked about earlier is yours. You say liberalism is a mental disorder, besides the obvious inability to recognize logic due to abject stupidity, because Weinerdog worship is a mental disorder and you are projecting.
Look, I listened to the show where he stated the "lets kill 100,000 of them" idea. Savage for President was right, Savage talked about doing that as a defensive response only if the extreme muslims were going to kill 100,000 Americans. The fact that you are looking at one line of speech through tunnel vision without knowing the entire context is just wrong, sorry. It's like the one-liner from Harry Reid..."the war is lost." Even though I hate the man's politics, I can acknowledge that there was more to his statement than just that one line, and he did not intend for that one line to be used like it currently is. If you can just admit that Savage used that line in another context, I'll start believing that liberals can look at a situation rationally.
No SPF was giving HIS spin on what Weinerdog said. There was NO mention of defense other than a false dichotomy statement. Saying we ought to kill one hundred million people. THEN saying would you rather it was US, is NOT claiming self defense its a weak rationalization. He didnt say we MIGHT have to kill them if its us or them. He said kill one hundred million because he was tired of hearing there were one billion. It is just delusional paranoia. I am sure you WISH he had said something less psychotic but he DIDNT. The man is a psycho. He needs help immediatly, if you take him seriously it doesnt say that much for you. If you are actually willing to come in here and APPOLOGIZE for advocating demoting Hitler to the minor leagues of evil its just sad.
So Savage hates San Francisco (though he chooses to live there) AND New York... does he have anything nice to say about any major American cities? Or anything nice to say at all?
He loves San Fran Sicko. It's made him very rich. There is a great beauty to S. F., minus the bums, the police chief, and the Mayor.
Hey! An entire Savage piece and not one mention of homosexuality. Stunning.
Yes, there's not a lot of common ground between those issues. Although Savage seems so far gone I think someone should plant a story next April Fool's day about a gay male illegal alien demanding an abortion. Savage's head may very well explode.
Michael Weiner is getting desperate. Here's hoping his syndicator wises up and gives him the Don Imus Heave-Ho.
Desperate? Yes, he's desperately trying to rid San Fran Freako of all the freaks, so it can become San Francisco again.
Savage doesn't even slur or smear intelligently.
Where on earth is the "Hitler dialog" remark coming from? I mean this doesn't even make sense.
If he's gonna attack Hillary he ought to at least do so in a way that has some reasoning & logic behind it.
At least he doesn't support a procedure that is pretty darn close to infanticide.
We get it , rino. You think a fetus is a person,that's fine. Dissenting views are allowed, that's why your posts are here.I'm sure Jesus is watching and you're earning "spiritual capital".
Supply-side-Jesus, in his case.
At least he doesn't support a procedure that is pretty darn close to infanticide....by RINO Hunter
Huh?
Rino, what does that have to do with what I wrote or Savage said?
If Savage wants to criticize Hillary Clinton, it's A-Ok with me. But can't he do so in an intelligent way?
I'm sorry but the Hitler stuff is just plain dumb.
What's next? Calling her a poopie-head with cooties?
BTW, and just for the record:
I'm against Partial Birth Abortions [with the exception of saving a woman's life or serious health issues]
Ya, I see your point. It just seems like you're more interested in bashing conservatives like Savage and Rush than you are in advancing a conservative agenda. It seems as if you side with the liberals more often than the side you claim you support. It's nothing personal, but it's just an observation I've made.
Yeah, I've been meaning to have a talk with Jeter. I'm getting pretty damn sick and tired of him and his bashing the conservatives. Next thing you know he's going to start taking cheap shots at the Red Sox.
I'd do a little smiley face to show that I'm using sarcasm but it's easier to type this sentence than a smiley face.
;-)
Rino,
Being a Conservative does not mean defending or agreeing with everything a Conservative talk show host, pundit, columnist, lawmaker, or even President has to say.
They don't all speak for me. I can think for myself.
I disagreed with Bush's decision to invade Iraq from the start. I think he's done a lousy job executing that war. I believe we should pullout sooner than later. IF that makes me a turncoat in your eyes, then so be it.
If I disagree with Liberals here, I'll say so. When I agree with Liberals here I'll say so. You've obviously missed some of the donnybrooks I've had here with Liberals. But I don't just automatically take an opposing viewpoint just because I'm on the opposing side. Another words, I try to approach each thread here honestly, and with an open mind.
I have no use for Savage. It's hard to get past his histrionic & moronic rants. Name-calling is not a good argument. It's just name-calling.
Limbaugh is a different story. I do agree with him on some issues, and I get his humor that seems to go over the Liberals heads. Sometimes he's just not funny. I will not defend him when he lies or makes comments that I define as racist. In fact I will join the other side in lambasting him.
The same goes for Coulter and others.
I've accused some Liberals here of being so blindly partisan that they refused to even consider the other sides argument. I'd be a hypocrite if I turned around and did exactly what I accused them of.
And what you just wrote is why I adore you, J-2.
Regarding my ideological independence, I'm a fiscal conservative. I can be persuaded to be anti-abortion, once adults step up to care for the millions of unwanted, under-clothed, under-fed children. I'm also a progressive and because I don't take my marching orders from some progressive pundit, I'm a citizen.
Yes, Jeter does tend to post his own thoughts, as opposed to "advancing a conservative agenda". That may get him kicked outta the car by those who call themselves conservatives these days.
And only one glaring inaccuracy in your post Jeter (Because I don't want to give you a heart attack with a full back-up);
Rush's humor doesn't go over libs heads.As we've seen here, his fans can't even agree when he's doing satire or not, but some seem to understand it.
If he can't get his jokes over the average cons head, it must be hitting the average liberal somewhere in the ankle -to -shin flea-bite range.
;0D
Beach,
Here's how I categorize Limbaugh's Humor:
1) Offensive, makes one cringe, not funny
2) Right on point, clever & uproariously funny
3) Right on point, but offensive, yet you laugh in spite of yourself [and feel guilty afterwards]
Now about that emoticon of yours: ;0D
It's getting funnier [looking] with each post. ;-)
Hey Holly Dolly
You always know how to make me feel special :-)
I think most of us fluctuate here & there between the Left & Right, depending on the particular issue.
I always wonder about people that adhere to a rigid ideology. That kind of inflexibility seems just plain pig-headed rather than idealistic.
You give me hope in the Right, J-2. A person who doesn't deviate from dogma isn't a citizen. It' is a citizen's responsibility in a republic to choose, rather than submit to the choosing of others. If one believes what they are told to believe, they belong beneath a monarch.
I can attest to that. I have had some of those donnybrooks with you. They were fun. I look forward to the next one.
Yes they have fun haven't they :-)
Till the next time....
honest question rino are the medical reasons for late term abortions irrelevant to you ?
I think that there should be an exception made if the mother's life is in danger. But the health exception is just a big loophole. The mother could get an abortion if she had a headache or if having the baby would make her depressed. I think that a horrific procedure like partial birth abortion should only be used if there's a good chance that having the baby would result in the mother's death. But that RARELY ever occurs.
Then we are close to agreement on the issue. I believe that the term referred to in the previous bill I read was serious health consequences. I wouldnt make it only her life. I mean if it put her into a coma? If it deprived her brain of oxygen so she was in a PVS? What about her FUTURE reproductive ability? Its a complicated question but not an impossible one. The headache argument doesnt hold much water with me but if THAT is the problem then its one that COULD have been taken care of legislatively through compromise. Draw that line define those terms and come to an agreement. I would certainly support a ban on late term abortions done for any reason OTHER than serious health concerns for the mother.
I mean if it put her into a coma?
In that case your court system would kill the woman, (see Terry Schiavo case). That way you can have a dead baby AND a dead woman.
If it deprived her brain of oxygen so she was in a PVS?
Same answer as above. Notice the liberal consistancy?
What about her FUTURE reproductive ability?
If you REALLY cared about that then why would you be killing the current baby? More liberal intelligence at work....such as: 'I want to kill the first 5 babies then I'll have one later that I want to keep. Oh, gosh, after being cut on by abortion doctors for the last 5 pregnacies I can't have a baby. I should sue the republicans for denying me my right of choice to have a baby.'
Yeah, you liberals sure know how to kill. You want to kill babies before they are born, you want to kill the elderly when they become a burdon to you, and you want to kill those in a PVS. You want to kill everyone except the terrorists (who want to kill you) in which case you find it dispicable that someone dies trying to kill them.
ITs not our fault you are too stupid to understand the concept and NEVER know what you are talking about Terri Schiavo was PVS that is NOT the same as being in a coma moron. Terri Schiavos right to decide for herself was EXACTLY what 25 court decision upheld. We didnt want to kill her but rather make her own decision on whether or not to live that way. I know I wouldnt want to live that way. Then again since you are too dumb to know the difference between a coma and being PVS and just used your post to blindly denigrate liberals without ANY thought whatsoever I dont know why I should bother trying to explain anything you have very little chance understanding anyway. Your baseless assertions are just too dumb to be taken seriously. I could easily destroy them but will instead just go to the heart of the matter. Let Congress decide what constitutes a serious health threat. If they decide YOU are right about further reproductive health fine. Anyone would consider a coma or PVS to be serious. That was my point. Not that you cared you just wanted to take the opportunity to attack liberals which is all you do which is why I return your hostility instead of making substantial posts to you. If you EVER grow up and start actually talking TO us instead of sniping AT us there might be a dialogue between us someday.
The AMA has stated that partial birth abortion is NEVER medically necessary. I agree with the court's brilliant decision here. BTW, Hush Bimbo fears Savage. He hangs up on any caller who dares to mention Savage's name.
There is no such thing as PBA so lets talk about late term abortions. Did they say they are never necessary or did they say THIS procedure was never necessary and late term abortions are SOMETIMES necessary for the health of the mother. Lets just cut to the chase. I have no problem with a cut off date for abortions just because. I am fine if the standard for any abortion performed later be only for reasons which will cause serious medical damage to the mother. Not ONLY death but serious risk of death or longterm health problems. Now Ginzberg says the major medical group of obstreticians and gynecologists that is the doctors who specialize in womens health care say there IS medical reasons to perform late term abortions. If THIS specific procedure isnt necessary fine. As long as the life of the fetus isnt more important than the life of the mother I am fine with whatever decision the court makes. I will not agree with anything that will risk the life of the mother or her longterm healthcare by denying her an abortion.
There is no such thing as PBA so lets talk about late term abortions.
More higher brain function? What do think everyone is talking about? PBA stands for professional bowlers association. I thought you were a guy? EVERY guy knows what PBA is. Oh, but you ARE a liberal. They aren't taught the same things as most guys are. That explains your lack of knowledge on PBA.
If there's no such thing as a partial birth abortion, then feminists shouldn't care that it got banned.
Was the term partial birth abortion used in the Supreme Court decision? If it wasnt then I guess your post isnt really relevant is it?
Everyone is talking about a specific procedure of a late term abortion since you are a moron I am not suprised you didnt know that.
yanking your chain is so easy. You are so predictable. Maybe...just maybe you noticed that I have posted once or twice concerning PBA before making that joke. I made that joke in another chat forum and they all 'got it'. You didn't get it? I'm not surprised.
I think we all know by now what happens when they suck out a fetus's brain. The fetus grows up to post on Media Matters as Rinohunter or Tommy.
:-)
NOT funny...
I agree: not funny.
Not funny and neither of those posters really deserves such hostility in my opinion.
I wonder how close Savage is to calling on all his listeners to round up suspected liberals for being traitors, faschist, appeasers and terrorist sympathizers. Whenever I listen to him, I often think that its just a matter of time before he puts it all together and realizes that since (in his little mind) liberals are destroying our country and promoting dangerious ideas, they are just in the way from some kind of weineristic final solution.
To him our nation is too victimized, fagile and imperiled to tolerate any kind of deviation from the the struggle. It would be interesting to hear what he would tell his loyal zomby callers if they told him they were going to clean some traitor appeaser faschist liberal house tonight. I think it would put him in a tight spot since all these "nazi types" like Hillary are everywhere. I wonder if he would talk them out of it and what kind of tortured logic would he use in order to contradict the logical implications of his rants.
If I were Savage, or anyone else on the right, I would stop bringing up Hitler, Nazis, or fascists because then they are only opening the door to being legitimately compared to the same. Remember how much they all cry when those type of comparisons are made to them. While they haven't reached those actual heights yet, their rhetoric is almost identical.
The really sad, depressing thing is not only that there were 8 million people who heard Savage make the ridiculous Clinton->Hitler comparison, but that these listeners will nevertheless tune-in again and again to him. Like Savage, even the disturbed, hate-filled Hitler had millions of fans. Therein lies the real Hitler similarity ---but to Michael Savage, not Clinton.
Keep it up, Dr. Savage! The more these MMFA losers respond to you, the more they demonstrate that liberalism is indeed a mental disorder!
So the smart thing to do is to ignore those you disagree with? I hope you were being sarcastic...
Wasn't it you who criticized someone for thinking you were a Republican? "You don't know me" you said, or something similar?
Uh, Kev, Dude....you have worn out that line on these here threads. Can't think of anything better......because of maybe a mental disorder?
Ah kevin. Your ignorance is monumental. Aspire to the day you can at least recognize higher brain function. Sadly we all know that performing the feat is beyond you and always will be. I do agree that Weinerdog out to continue to spew his insanity. He is a great object lesson. The only question is are incredibly ignorant morons like you ATTRACTED to Weinerdogs insanity or caused by it,
Solon, you are not better than everyone else. You are not smarter/better than that Kev poster, and he is not better than you. Based on the attitude of superiority you display in here, you have got to be one sh*tty dude in real life.
You are becoming tiresome John. I notice you didnt take Kevin to task for telling us liberals we have a mental disorder. NO. I am guessing you are a conservative and share in that conservative delusion that God has given conservatives the exclusive franchise on personal attacks.
I dont think I am better than anyone else. What I do KNOW is if they are goint to insult us liberals I am going to return serve. I dont really care what you think about it. I am willing to take this kind of criticism from Openmind or other posters who have shown they will criticise conservatives who insult us as well as us liberals but you guys who take ME to task for returning insults without EVER mentioning the conservatives insulting us liberals are just pathetic appolgists who want to see ONLY conservatives making personal attacks. Those days are over. I dont care one whit what you think about that.
I dont care one whit what you think about that.
It's obvious you DO care. And more than 'one whit'. Your responses get more direct and more personal each time you write. Anyone with any higher brain functions can see you are immensly affected by having liberalism called a mental disorder. Which should be an ok statement 'in your world' since you make each of your statements on the basis you consider them to be true. You don't return serve, you preserve and then wait for someone else to say anything, in which case you go to your wwaahh rant. Does anyone else on this site really respect your opinion? Since you never actually give one, you only whine about people picking on liberals?
Not quite Hitleresque but it's pretty remarkable propaganda by the soon to be 2008 presidential runner-up. The fact that she equates the courts upholding the ban on partial-birth abortions to a threat to womens' health is laughable. Considering that this process is what, 10 inches from being called murder I gladly applaud the high court's decision. I guess I'm "old fashioned" or "non-progressive" to think that once a fully formed, live child is halfway delivered that a doctor shouldn't be able to insert scissors into the back of it's head and suck it's brains out with a vaccum hose. But I'm the right wing hate monger right? The fact of the matter is that the monstrocity known as partial birth abortion very rarely if ever used in relation to the PHYSICAL well being of the mother. The "womens' health" argument for this particular form of infanticide is a complete kanard.
I agree that such late term abortions should be limited, but the law should be clear in stating that it is allowed when the health/life of the woman is a stake. By not having such a clause one risks, in some instances, losing not just one but both lives.
Firstly, I'm glad you agree that this is a horrific act. However, I think that if there is going to be a stipulation is must be only to PHYSICAL harm to the mother involved. By using the term "health of the mother" it opens the discussion up to the mental well being in such a way that it can be justified in almost any situation.
OK hang on. First you say "The fact that she equates the courts upholding the ban on partial-birth abortions to a threat to womens' health is laughable", then you talk about stipulations about potential harm to the woman's health. If this needs to be defined, then how is her statement "laughable"?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/the_partialbirth_abortion_chal.html
Early in the debate, Ron Fitzsimmons, head of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, told The New York Times that, as the Times put it, "in the vast majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along."
Vast majority. In other words the vast majority of this form of abortion (re: infanticide) is unneccesary. I understand that there probably should be a clause for the life of the mother. In other words the doctors should be able to emphatically prove that she is in physical danger if she were to have her child. However, by using the term "womans' health" you allow for any ailment and can rationalize almost any late term abortion. For example every single woman who wanted this procedure could then say she fears postpartum depression and that would automatically qualify her as a candidate for her baby to be killed when it is old enough to survive and halfway born.
First of all, killing babies will never be legal. Killing fetuses is what you're talking about. No need for the rhetorical terms.
Secondly, as I understand it, and to apply your argument, the latest ruling means that the vast majority of women will have their babies and everything will be okay. Only "some" women will die of medical complications and conditions, as the ruling did not qualify the law to allow for medical conditions and complications. Does this sound fair?
I'm not in favor of 3rd trimester abortions, but I think the subject deserves an honest debate, completely void of emotion and politics.
I've heard that testimony questioned before, but even if so it's clearly possible that it could be used for the sake of the woman's health. So to say that it's "laughable" that a ban puts women's health at risk is clearly wrong. If you admit that it should be allowed for the sake of physical health, then her statement is perfectly valid, whether women get them whille healthy or not.
I doubt that Savage knows that Goebbels poisoned 6 of his children. I imagine that Goebbels hated the murdering, for it occurred in the Führerbunker as the Russians rained shells on Berlin. Anyway, Savage, the failed academic, once again demonstrates why he wasn't selected for academia. He's a sloppy thinker who repeatedly overlooks the complications in his comparisons.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted that the court's decision "tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)."
This stupid liberal hero can't even back up her own words with proof! What an idiot. If she is going to claim that the procedure is "necassary...in certain cases" she better be able to give an example of WHEN that procedure was necassary. But, like a true liberal, she CANNOT (and does not) give that proof. She even admits that in her dissent statement. The only thing she brought to the table was that abortion doctors say it is safe and needed. What a moron she is. She needs to retire, it is obvious that altziemers disease is hitting her hard. Looks like Bush might get one more addition to the Supreme Court before he leaves. Then we can start talking about getting abortions eliminated after the age of viability (20 weeks), of course with the 'danger to the woman's life' asterisk in place.
I think liberals aren't taking much pleasure in the notion that abortion is being used as a birth control method and are losing their lock on keeping it legal. You're better off sticking with ru486, at least that procedure kills fewer woman than standard abortion procedures do.
Are you really trying to argue that a woman's health can't be endangered by pregnancy and childbirth?
Define your meaning of "health". Define the liberal meaning of "health" related to abortion issues.
If having a baby causes her to have a headache- therefor her health is compromised--- NO danger present
If having a baby causes her distress and mental anguish-therefor her health is compromised--- NO danger present
If having a baby may cause physical damage or threatens her life- therefor her health is compromised--- YES danger present
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)="bunch of abortion doctors".
You sir, are so brilliant, that I don't think there's anything left on planet earth about which you could be enlightened.
Autopsychotic graces us again with a foray into the mind of an incredibly stupid person. It is indeed an astonishingly substandard mind he shows IF it could be called a mind at all. More of an attempt at something that MIGHT one day become a mind.
Obstetricians and Gynecologists are the doctors that provide the majority of womens related medicine. Now someone with say the IQ of a dustbunny would recognize that if THESE doctors who SPECIALIZE in womens medicine say its necessary sometimes that IS providing evidence. You are such a moron. Your braincells IF they exist must be so embarrassed by what you use them for they are surely screaming for the sweet release of a coma.
THESE doctors who SPECIALIZE in womens medicine say its necessary sometimes that IS providing evidence.
Thanks for giving us so much brilliance. Since WHEN do liberals except 'heresay' evidence as evidence? YOU constantly ask for proof of someones claims that disagree with yours. So, did ANY of those abortion doctors provide PROOF of necessity for this procedure? NO, not one did. They said it MAY be needed. But, never has. More of your 'higher brain function' at work? Good job!
Higher brain function is useful. Too bad it is a feat you will NEVER have the ability to accomplish. Was this a criminal case? NO it wasnt. Therefore citing experts IS relevant and the hearsay rule is NOT relevant. Man, its embarrassing to have to explain something so basic any ten year old would understand it. You dont KNOW whether they gave specifics since you dont KNOW what she was citing. However lets pretend they DIDNT give specifics. Lets see who has more weight. A profession group of MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS who specialize in womens health issues and most of whom do NOT provide abortions, like you moronically keep saying. Since a small minority of OBGYNs and pediatricians DO provide abortions. Or an idiot so DUMB he doesnt even know the difference between a criminal trial and a Supreme Court decision about the constitutionality of a law. Let me mull on that a while.
Was this a criminal case?
Criminal? I'm not sure roe v wade is considered a criminal case, either. But it had all the earmarkings of liberalism being a mental disorder. First the lady lied about being raped (which she admitted later), then used the court system to force an abortion principal on states that directly opposes the main principals of democracy! You DO know what democracy means, right??
YOu know what's really scary? The true test of the Consitituionality of this latest ruling will be when a woman dies a painful death because a doctor could not legally perform a late-term abortion to save her life.
To me that's more Hitlerian than anything Hillary said.
How can a ruling be unconstitutional? That makes no sense.
Once again, the AMA has stated that partial birth abortion is NEVER medically necessary.
As the cherry picking continues
Putting this particular comment aside, those of you that are loyal listeners of Savage like myself, AUTOPSYCHIC and the others did you happen to listen to Mondays show? Because I found it to be very inspirational for the most part. I ask no comment from you liberals on this one, that is unless you actually listened to that show of which I predict you didn't.
Wow what a profound prediction. You could also predict I didnt put my eyes out with a red hot poker Kreskin.
But he was right, and you, like the rest of the Savage haters in here got outed. It sucks to be you, just admit it.
Are you kidding I have a great life. I LOVE being me ask anybody. I have a great job, make lots of money, contribute to society, have a loving wife live in a beautiful city. Everyone should have my life and also, I am not ignorant and pathetic like YOU. Life is good.
I would like to once again give you taste of some of his early writings.
MANS USEFUL PLANTS 1976
INTRO: To those of us who buy our food in stores, heat our homes with fuel transported over long distances or pick our clothing from long and neatly ordered racks, sitting and enjoying the beauty of nature may seem to be the most perfect use plants can afford.
Early man however, did not have much time to sit and gaze at trees and flowers. He was busy gathering food from trees, first the easily picked fruits and leaves and later the bark, roots and seeds to see if they too, could sustain him.
When he discovered fire, he began to use grasses, shrubs, vines and trees as fuel. Fuel to light the torches that became the first effective weapons against mammoths, tigers and bears. Fire to keep him warm, to make foos delicious, to harden the points of spears and arrows. Fire to lead him through a world of darkness.
Some of our primitive ancestors emerged from cave dwellings and began to build shelter from the tough, flexible trunks and branches of their wooden allies. In warmer climates men lived under the protective canopy of the forest or in the trees foe safety from prowling beasts.
Man the hunter needed tools or weapons. Not content with just throwing stones, he invented an early version of the tomahawk by tying stones to a tough stick with vines. Eventually our hairy and resourseful ancestors poked and prdded, sniffed and tasted almost every fruit and leaf that attracted them. Some no doubt, died or became violently ill from poisonousplants, but thr most intelligent groupslearned to distinguish the safe and even tasty plant foods from the dangerous or deadly.
People get sick, evensome of the toughest people of the most primitive tribes. To cure sickness, to treat the pains of wounds, early man turned to the xonfusing tangle of the plant world as well as to the animals for medicine. It was then believed the "like cures like" and that for every illness there existed a cure. Primitive healers often selected plants on the basis of shape and color. Leaves shaped like the human liver were used to heal disorders of the liver: a piece of gnarled wood was used to treat convulsions, and so on. Byn learning to recognize the signs of the plant world, early doctors believed they could cure most illnesses. Although today medicine is no longer practiced according to such simple theory, many of our most important medicines still come from plants-plants that grow beneatth the sea, along the shores, upon the rocks of runningstreams and in the woods, fields and deserts.
If I wanted to torture myself with an insane ranters writings on plants I would buy his books. I am not torturing myself by reading your dumb posts reproducing them. Your Wienerdog worship is sad. Your evangelic devotion to spreading the insane mans devotionals is pathetic.
WOULD All you right wing nazis please sign up for this war you love you much?
Mark, uhhhhhhh, that's not the subject of this thread. Please go back to school. In history class, maybe you'll learn what a Nazi actually is.
Mans Useful Plants contiued;
Clothing was originally made from the skins of animals, but later it was woven from the fibers of stems, seeds and laves. Today fibers span from the same natural sources are increasing in demand.
Some men found less practical applications for certain plant products. Not only were berries eaten, but their juices were used as paint. Our ancestors often decorated themselves with bracelets and beads from polished nuts and seeds, and music was played on instruments crafted of wood and other vegetable products. Even today primitive music is played on instruments of gourds, wood, stems and reeds, and the finest string instruments in modern orchestras are still made of wood.
Slowly the use of plantsevolved from foods and fuel to weapons, shelter, clothing, medicine and thousands of other products. As time progressed, inquisitive man attempted to use every resource, whether of animal, mineral or vegetable origin. In doing so, he learned to perfect his techniques and to extract the most useful products with the least effort.
Today great industries spin on products of the soil, and some of these products are described in this book. Before looking at them, we should orient our thinking along the lines of the present "energy crisis". Is our supply of foodand other essential products that are derivedfrom plants subject to a "plant crisis"? Will we be faced with a shortage of grains and vegetables, as well as a loss of some of man's favorite spices, such as pepper, mustard or cinnamon? Will we gradually have to give up beverages that are made from plants, such as tea, coffee, chocolate, beer, wine and some soft drinks such as cola ans gingerale?
If the supply of plants on which we depend on for food becomes short, we may wonder about those other products and delights that are very much a part of our civilizationand are often essential to our survival. Will the plants from which we make many important medicines-such as penicillin, digitalis, birth-control pills and the opium derived pain relievers-begin to disappearin the immediate future?
As we are beginning to see shortages in other plant-derived products as well, such as fabrics and clothing made of cotton and flax, ropes and thread made from Manila hemp and paper, plastics and other productsthat are derived from wood or cellulose? Is rubber in short supply? Are there any other sources of rubber besides the few species that are presently cultivated in South America and the Far East? Since soaps, paints, varnishes, lubricants, candles and cooking oils are made from many useful oil plants, are we to lose these prducts in the event of a future "plant crisis"?
In an attempt to answer these questions, this book describes many products of the plant world and the plants from which they are derived. While the reader learns to appreciate some of the many ways in which he is dependent on the plant kingdom, he may come to realize that the plant world is a resource that must br nutured carefully, lest a wide-scale loss of useful plants occur.
Plants are not finite, in the sense that they eithrt renew themselves or are prpagated by man or other animals. However, should man lose the forsight of the most intelligent of his species and fail to protect the world of plants-abusing it instead through overusr or neglect, chemical fogs or fires, or simply by paving over too many natural areas-he will lose not only many products and foods but those places to rest and dream which make life worth living.
Translation. My Weinerdog worship has reached the stage I am spiritually bound to spread his word with a religious devotion.
Nope. Your anti-Savage worship has reached the stage where you are diabolically obliged to spew venomous hatred towards Mike, and those who may like him, for the simple reason that you MUST, you simply MUST.
Very impressive.
I dont hate Weiner. I pity him. An intelligent man who has gone insane. Its a pity. By the way Anti ANYTHING worship is a meaningless phrase. Worship doesnt work that way.
"WOULD all you right wing nazis please sign up for this war you love so much"?
First of all, where did you get the idea that right wingers like myself love this war. Nobody loves war except of course the people at the top. Secondly I highly suggest that you go onto talkradionetwork.com and listen to Savage's show on Tuesday April 24. You will not believe what is going on behind the scenes of this war. You will hear how our Marines that were accused of wrong doing in the Haditha incident are being prosecuted and tortured BY OUR OWN MEN. You better read that again. In many cases our marines have to wear a camera on their helmet when they go out so that if they get into a firefight they have to prove that they didn't shoot first. Instead of you liberals getting so worked up about how the enemies are being "so called" tortured, maybe you should focus on how our own marines are being tortured BY OUR OWN MEN and violating the Geneva Convention.