Olbermann named McGuirk "Worst Person" runner-up for Nazi comparison
On the April 30 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named Bernard McGuirk, former producer of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning, runner-up in his "Worst Person in the World" segment for "compar[ing] the end of his show to the roundup of the communists, then the liberals, then the Catholics, then the Jews in Nazi Germany." Olbermann added, "He even misquoted the famous lament of Pastor Martin Niemoller, 'First they came.' " Olbermann said, "Yeah, you and [former host Don] Imus and those sent to the concentration camps, Bernie."
On April 27, Media Matters for America noted McGuirk's comments on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes.
From the April 30 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:
OLBERMANN: Our runner-up tonight, former Imus producer Bernard McGuirk, who on Fox Noise has compared the end of his show to the roundup of the communists, then the liberals, then the Catholics, then the Jews in Nazi Germany. He even misquoted the famous lament of Pastor Martin Niemoller, "First they came." Yeah, you and Imus and those sent to the concentration camps, Bernie. And Tom DeLay -- Tom DeLay made the same analogy.
I guess Bernard McGuirk worked for Don Imus a little too long. Imus's "vodka brain cells" seem to have worn off.....
Very worthy of "Worst Person"
McGuirk has been spewing his hate for 10 years on MSNBC on the Imus program. He was deserving of this award when he called Hillary Clinton a "B*tch" and made a comment about gold teeth.
Hypocrisy, anyone?
Keith Olbermann was cited by the Anti-Defamation League for his repeated use of the Nazi salute which Holocaust survivors and their families found "offensive and repugnant." (ADL letter, July 2006)
Did Keith even apologize? There's nothing on the ADL site that indicates that he did.
Meanwhile, Olbermann goes after this guy for his comparison.
This is Hypocrisy 101, folks.
Keith, I said it before and I say it again, "Marry me, please."
Not sure if Olbermann wants to marry , he appears to be quite the womanizer. Just wonderful, MSNBC tolerates this type of fool.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/gossip/pagesix/keith_to_face_the_music_pagesix_.htm
Ane we tolerate the type of fool you are. We just think you're full of it and uninformed.
I am more informed than you are. Where was Mr Olbermanns outrage when the Imus program was on MSNBC? Where was his outrage when Bermard McGuirk would mock Mayor Nagin? Why is it that now since Imus is no longer on the air , McGurk is the "Worst Person in the World" Why did Olbermann name him that yet used a Nazi salute and outrage Holocaust surviors around the world. Why?
Peg
Are you insane, the New York Post? Are you still bitter about Imus the racist being fired? Get over it.
Not only is it the New York Post, but a 7 month old story from the New York Post. I would think that KO detractors would actually have the emails that were supposed to be released. Where are those? Or hints the KO paid off this woman to NOT release them? There is nothing here.
McGuirk is a solid contender for WPITW based on this hideously innappropriate co-opting of Pastor Niemoller's statement of conscience.
As I said before on a previous thread -- this is shameful. McGuirk (and those who write in support of him) need to remember that the Nazis came for innocent children, women, and men and dragged them off to die in gas chambers and slave labor camps. These real victims were then buried in mass graves or sent up the crematoria chimneys. Those who "came for" Imus and McGuirk were simply demanding that they stop using the public airways to spew hateful rhetoric against other children, women, and men. It's ironic that McGuirk quotes a Holocaust-era resister. One of the cultural phenomena that actually privileged the Holocaust in Europe was the centuries-long use of dehumanizing images and language to marginalize and scapegoat Jews. As I said before, this type of hate speech is often the precursor of or the catalyst for hateful actions.
I wonder what the righteous Gentile Martin Niemoller, who himself spent time at Sachsenhausen and Dachau for defending the right of all humans to live free from persecution and harassment, would think of this disgusting miappropriation of his words.
You said this so wonderfully, thank you for taking the time to post this .
Well said, Susan.
And coming out to a stage using the Nazi Salute with a Bill O'Reilly mask is not disgusting?
If the shoe fits...
PS: No, what Olbermann did doesn't disgust me in the least. But O'reilly does...
Beautiful post, Susan!
A good point. Keith admitted on the air that he had remained silent about the Imus affair at the request of MSNBC until Imus was fired. Then he suddenly felt free to pile on. I like Keith, but that was really unfair and unbecoming.
Well said....the partisan hacks here will never diss their hero, KO, despite his long record of contradictory behavior and commentary.
Long history of hypocrisy? I have seen one example, which has been used before, and which other posters have shown Keith has apologized, that could be used to show hypocrisy. Care to name any other examples?
From the dumped and angry date of Olbermann;
"Do you actually believe KO wouldn't deny my story publicly if it weren't true?"
Yes, as confusing as the hypothetical negatives are,crazy people get ignored all the time.
Nice catch, Peghen.How can we trust a person who has a history of not marrying every nut job he dates?
Even if Keith is a womanizer, he is an unmarried womanizer.
Good Point Lynn. Peg the liar loves to change the subject.
Peghen, woman to woman, a couple tips:
Don't drink out of the toilet, no matter how thirsty you might be. Yes, I know your dog does it. Still, don't.
Don't ever cite the Post if you want to be taken seriously. They're just one shade away from "Elvis is Reborn as Bigfoot's Baby!"
Yours,
Hollychick
Holly
You are so right about the NY Post. ;-)
Oh, I laughed when I linked.
Peg should remember the axiom, "Garbage in. Garbage out."
This website has stories on the NY Post, are you saying those stories are irrelevant also?
Peg
You posted I believe a gossip columm. Do you have reputable links?
Doris I have posted links, if you do not like them that is your problem, not mine.
Peghen,
Indulge me, if you will, while I tell you a first hand story of NY Post "journalism." Shortly after Rupert Murdoch acquired the Post, my wife's family was involved in a sensational, violent episode, to which the Post devoted the top half of page 2, it's first page with copy. The story had six eggregious errors none of which would have occurred had the reporter done any due diligence. The first error was the second word, which misidentified the bourough in which the principals lived and worked, and where the incident took place.
Anecdotal? Yes. Now consider this: A New York Times reporter once wrote that his mission, when he was working for Murdoch's Post, had been to "search and distort." Luckily, he worked the sports pages, so how much damage could he do?
But wait, there's more! It is well known across the Pond, though not here, that Murdoch severely damaged the credibility of his flagship paper, The Sunday Times, by publishing the fraudulent "Hitler Diaries," without waiting for authentication. When they were proved to be forgeries (a mere day or two after publication), he told his devestated and demoralized employees at the Times, "F@#k it. We're in the entertainment business." Now that's the best case version of the story, which is controversial. There are those who allege that he published knowing of the forgery, and that quote is pre-publication. Again, you might say, minimal damage.
Well, how about the fact that he devoted, as he himself has admitted, his entire "news" empire to banging the drums for the attack on Iraq? Minimal damage, I don't think so.
If you wish to be taken seriously, don't use anything Rupert Murdoch has touched as a source.
Concho
Sounds like you want a Putin style Government where the media is censored?
Sounds like you want to live in a fantasy world of Right Wing pandering and stupidity. I hope you don't plan on linking any Moonie articles for us.
PEG!! He is saying that Murdoch DISTORTED and KNOWINGLY LIED about *news*... THAT is like past countries' way of controlling the media, get it?!?!
My thanks to Mr. L and HBL. You've restored by battered confidence. I thought the meaning of the piece was pretty clear, but I'll have to admit I was stunned by that response.
I think we have a new winner- In response to supporting sources being exposed as Tabloid BS;
"Sounds like you want a Putin style Government where the media is censored?"- peghen1428
Comedy Gold!
Given your far-left ideology and my far-libertarian one, I don't think we'll agree much on this site. However, on this point re: Peghen's obtuseness, I'll agree 100% that it is pure comedy gold. Peghen's logic (or lack of it) is amusing indeed.
How about a world where people dont prefer nonsense and propaganda to facts and reporting reality. How about a world where we expect a modicrum of integrity from those who publish what is supposed to be the news. I didnt see any call for government censorship and when you bring out the strawmen it usually because ya got nothin
Putin? Are you stupid?
Pegeen,
Could you please tell me what in my post could possibly give you this impression:
"Sounds like you want a Putin style Government where the media is censored?"
Gee, how many Jews rounded up in the Holocaust got to retire to a huge ranch with millions of dollars in the bank? While I'm not sure firing Imus was totally necessary, I'm having trouble feeling sorry for him.
And no talent Bernie , I am sure will eventually find work somewhere and not suffer what the 6 Million did at the hands of the Nazis. I was not even suprised that FOX gave Bernie a forum to mouth off.
Read this Doris
http://www.adl.org/media_watch/tv/20060728-MSNBC.htm
Don't read it, Doris, it's full of lies and stupidity.
So the ADL Lies?
"Don't read it, Doris, it's full of lies and stupidity".- Easy to refute wingnuts
Doris knows he gave the Nazi salute. She already read the article, she even left the same link peghen1428 used.
Guess you're too late Easy. LOL.
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I do not think he called O'Reilly a Nazi, but he did give a Nazi salute with an O'Reilly mask.
http://www.adl.org/media_watch/tv/20060728-MSNBC.htm
- DorisRussell / Tuesday March 13, 2007 05:17:00 PM EST - Reply to this comment / Flag this comment
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200703130008?offset=20&show=1
Taz, that link has been on this site for almost a year, its irrelevant to the story . My opinion of whether he did or did not is irrelevant also. I do know that Bernard McGurk is disgusting for even comparing his "plight" to Nazis.
Correction "Plight to what the Nazis did"
This just exposes Doris hypocracy. Because this involves Imus and McGuirk people she has smeared on this site, she will give Olbermann a pass , even praise him. But otherwise she hates Olbermann and says nothing but disgusting things about him. Doris you are a fraud.
Peg
This thread and story was about Bernard McGuirk not my feelings on Olberman or a link to an ADL story. Keep trying to defocus, it is what you do best.
No you are an idiot. There is a HUGE difference between tastelessly giving a Nazi salute to insult someone and claiming that someone being fired for acting like a jerk is like being a victim of Nazi attrocities.
Peg again you offer nothing.
Why? Is anti-Semitism by Olbermann (as alleged by ADL) par for course just because he is one of yours?
A i understand it, Keith Olbermann was not accused of anti-Semitism. His mocking use of the Nazi salute to jab Bill'O'Reilly's Nazi-like personna was criticized by the ADL as trivializing the Holocaust.
Peg
Stop the vendetta. I know you were so angry that your hero Imus was fired but please the world is a better place today now that we no longer have Bernard McGuirk making fun of African Americans, Catholics and homosexuals on a MSM network daily. Grow up Peg and move on. This is not about Olbermann its about McGuirk and his hate.
Doris
There is no vendetta, you were the one who seemed to have a vendetta against Imus and anyone who spoke up in favor of him. If you support censorship than so be it.
I read this, Peg. I guess I am missing your point? This is a letter from an organization whose intent is to respectfully inform Olbermann of concerns about his use of a gesture some might find offensive. This is not an indictment of Olbermann's character. It is certainly not proof that he is anti-Semitic. Do you understand the concept of anti-Semitism? If not, I could provide you with some helpful links.
Susan
Thank you for the offer , I have been a victim of anti-semitism in my life however. Do you feel Bernard McGurk is an anti-Semite? Was Imus a racist?
Well, Hen, based on primary evidence (that is what I have heard or seen myself, not what I have read in the eminent NYP), of course I think Imus is a racist. He is also a misogynist. How would I know if McGuirk is an anti-Semite? His statement did not vilify Jews either individually or as a group. He made an ass of himself by comparing his "suffering" and "persecution" to the suffering of the victims of the Nazi reign of terror. This is disgusting because it trivializes the truly monstrous policies of the Nazi party and the suffering of their various victims, whether Jews, Poles, Roma/Sinti, homosexuals, or the handicapped.
Well to me comparing Bill O"Reilly to Adolph Hitler is disgusting. And the fact that you giver Olbermann a free pass because he spews hate toward Republicans is even more disingenous on your part and his.
Enough, already. I was reacting to McGuirk's weird analogy between his situation and that of Nazi victims. That's it. I have no idea where you are coming up with the rest of your semi-hysterical yapping attacks. Although I do generally respect Olbermann's opinions, I am not a fawning dog who slavishly believes everything anyone says. I view this as a forum to discuss political and social ideas, not as a fan site or a kind of Page Six. Please confine your responses to what has been said, no what you think is being implied.
Jeez -- are you sure your name isn't really Karma Bites.
I dont know if Imus was racist I do know he used a racist slur. Those arent necessarily the same thing.
Yes we know Olbermann gave a Nazi salute to insult O'falafel. It was tasteless and wrong. Didnt he appologize for that?
I'm not familiar with McGuirk's politics, but where does he go when he wants to invoke Hitler? Fox Nothing Channel of course!
It's a good thing for righties that Hitler even existed, otherwise these morons would all be drawing their ridiculous parallels on different historical figures, and thus, the chorus would not be harmonious.
Olbermann
He had no problem mocking the suffering of Jews in WWII at the hands of the Nazis. He was asked to apologize and he did not . Yet MSNBC still employees this guy? If Imus and McGuirk were so bad , why did Olbermann never speak out against them? According to Mike Francessa at WFAN Olbermann used to write to Imus in the 90s calling him , My Morning Diety. MMFA should be ashamed of themselves for promoting an anti-Semite like Olbermann.
http://www.adl.org/media_watch/tv/20060728-MSNBC.htm
Olbermann an anti-Semite? Good luck backing up that idiotic statement. And, yes, I clicked on your link. It does nothing to bolster your point. Got anything else?
So the ADL means nothing to you?
Should it automatically mean something to me?
I take it case-by-case.
In this case, it does not support a bit the lies you continue to post.
I am lying that Olbermann used the Nazi Salute?
Are you saying he never did that?
Peghen, you're a little clucky.
Me, I'd rather be, lucky in love with Keith.
Quick, link to the Enquirer about Keith being Hitler's love child!
You keep changing your story. The letter does not say anything about 'holocaust survivors around the world" being outraged. Nor does it ask for an apology. At least get your own facts straight.
This is what it says
While we understand that your aim is to entertain your audience by taking pot shots at Mr. O'Reilly, your repeated use of the Nazi salute has resulted in many complaints from our constituents, including Holocaust survivors and their families who find the use of this gesture offensive and repugnant in any context.
That's what it says. Where is the demand for an apology?
No but its ludicrous to say he was mocking the suffering of Jews in WW2 by using a Nazi salute to insult Bill O'Reilly.
If you can show me where the ADL called Olbermann an anti-Semite, then we can talk. If all you have is the letter you've already shared with us, then you're out of luck.
The ADL has class and does not call people names. I do . Olbermann also calls people names.
Sooooooo, you're just like Keith?!?
Oh, now I don't know whom to marry!
Dude, did you just admit your own hypocrisy? It's Sad really.
Peg has officially been owned, and he/she/it did it to him/her/itself.
I admit I call people names, so does almost everyone on this website. I am truthful, why can you be?
I have called people names, usually in response to namecalling but I have initiated when the conditions were right. Like when someone is OBVIOUSLY projecting, factually wrong, racebaiting, racist, making sweeping generalizations about liberals etc.... I didn't call anyone names in this thread, and I haven't seen where you have.. so I defer to my previous comment...
"I admit I call people names..."
Good... then it's oaky for me to tell you that you sound like an hysterical. iilogical, extremist nut job whose tendency to keep continuously repeating a lie reminds me of the style of Nazi propaganda.The ADL never accused Keith Olbermann of being an anti-Semite, but if your standards for finding anti-Semitism are stronger than the ADL then admit you are wn extremist. Keith Olbermann is as much an anti-Semite as Mel Brooks. Go look up a fellow named "David Duke" if you wan to see an anti-Semite.
The ADL never said Olbermann was an anti-Semite. YOU are saying that... hysterically so, I might add.
see, if you actually watched the program regularly than just attacking Keith for his position and providing links, which you likely got from a site likely dedicated to attacking him, you would know his explanation. He actually apologized for the fact that it looked like he was giving the 'nazi salute' when he was actually just waving to someone.
No he did not apologize and I do watch his show.
If I am wrong produce a transcript. I can product many stories that say he never apologized.
Peg
Imus is done, get a life and deal with it.
"...an anti-Semite like Olbermann."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL... Using a mock Nazi salute to poke fun at the Nazi-like Bill O'Reilly is NOT anti-semitism... nor was Olbermann accused (at least ny any reasonsible, sane person) of being an anti-Semite. Ever seen the play or the movie The Producers? Is Mel Brooks an anti-Semite? LOLOLOLOLOL...
I'm not sure if it was "just waiving" but most of the time he uses it when he is attacking OReally, as a gesture at Bill OHitler himself. That in of itself has no bearing to this MMFA piece. Olbermann did not single out any group of people and attack them personally.
Agreed, Peg is way off base. I frankly think she is still very bitter that Imus was fired and her hero McGuirk is unemployed. If you are going to dance with the devil you must eventually pay the piper and McGuirk has danced too long.
There once was a man named McGuirk
Who fancied himself not a jerk
Racist verbage did slip
When he opens his lip
Honest sorries did he also shirk
JJ, your limericking consoles me, which I need, for I fear that Peg, who compared herself to my beloved Keith, has rejected me. I offered my hand in Massachusetts' matrimony, but she is silent.
So, JJ, thank you for the purty words.
Gracias, chica. Some days all I have is a limerick. Today's one of those days.
Hey, don't apologize. Most people never have a single limerick day. Limericks are hard to write. I know. I tried. I failed.
I failed at limericks and I failed to woo Peg. I think she's a figher, not a lover. Luckily for me, her New York Post link suggests that Keith's a lover, so I'm still in the game.
Deal, Destiny, deal.
It's about time Olbermann gave that vile McJerk a "Wost Person" runner-up. He should've gotten one a long time ago when he was still working at MSNBC. It was McJerk that made me stop watching Imus when it was on air since I couldn't listen to his hate anymore.
I knew McGuirk was a deplorable character but when he called Senator Clinton a "BI*th that was the last straw for me. His antics about Maya Angalou have been racist also. We could go on for days .
I totally agree with you, Doris. He's a horrible person. What made me sick more than anything is his parody of Mayor Ray Nagin. If you're going to criticize Nagin, criticize him because of his incompetence and totally disregard for those poor people in New Orleans, not because of his racial characteristics. McJerk mocked Nagin moreso because of his race than his performance as a mayor. I had no use for Imus show after that. Then there were the constant references to Apes when discussing about black athletes. McJerk had no conscience what-so-ever in regards to women and minorities.
Mayor Nagin
Besides the racist overtones of the Nagin bits that Bernie the racist and Imus the racist would engage in, my bigger issue with that was the disrespect toward the Katrina Victims. He would even go so low and make fun of people trapped in attics, I started crying one time when I heard that because it was right after I watched the Spike Lee Deocumentry on HBO. This guy is not a good person.
Doris, just remember in the depths of your hate of Imus that he was the one MSM figure to state, and he did so many times, that the Bush Administration's disregard of the victims of Katrina was due to the fact that they were largely composed of African-Americans.
Such comments as this man makes, I think, are outrageous and hurtful to those who have actually lived through life and death situations. How dare this man, who was justifiably fired for his constant racist remarks, compare himself to those who were persecuted and murdered due to their religious beliefs, their ethnicity or other beliefs. He is fired from a job, and complains, and compares himself to people who were persecuted just for existing. How dare he!
This man owes an apology to all the survivors of the Holocaust. This man owes an apology to all humans who have suffered at the hands of a government, or others just because of who they were and/or what they believed.
People get fired/laid off everyday from their jobs high and low, that is not comparable to being illegally taken into custody, imprisoned indefinitely, with threat of death ever looming. This man did something to upset his employer, and he got fired for it, just like any other employee would have.
I apologize for not having any sympathy for a hateful, racist, self-absorbed idiot.
Why the double standard?
Chill, dude!
What double standard?, Keith did not attack any jewish group of people directly by singling them out. McQuirk on the otherhand tried to play the victim using a nazi reference and denigrated the true suffering of the jews under nazi germany. Why the double standard is the question that you should be asking YOURSELF.
You should also be asking why you (as an admitted hypocrite- bet you didn't even realize when you did!! Project much?) have different standards for yourself in name calling and Keith Olbermann (which DID NOT call anyone a name, except maybe OReally).
Mocking the deaths of 6 Million Jews is ok to you and Olbermann? At the expense of destroying Bernard McGurks life?
Olbermann never did mock the deaths of 6 million Jews. Unless you can prove that he actually did give a salute rather than waving, and has said any remarks against Jews, then I suggest you stop trying to twist the truth into something that is not really there. If I were you, I would be ashamed for protecting anyone guilty of racist remarks by trying to denigrate the integrity of another.
Why is it ok for Imus to be fired for calling women "hos" but making fun of 6 Million Jews dying by mocking O'Reilly is not a fireable offense?
making fun of 6 Million Jews dying by mocking O'Reilly
You're reaching. Every appearance of Nazi regalia is not mocking 6 million Jews. There was a stage show and two movies called The Producers. Was that mocking 6 million Jews? How far is your false equivalence supposed to go, I wonder. Hogan's Heroes? That damn Werner Klemperer, how dare he?
ah, now we get down to the meat of your issue, you are an O'Liely fan and afraid his nut-ball show will go next! Well, gee to bad that Falafel-boy and his sexual harassing ways may be a target soon. deal with it.
"Mocking the deaths of 6 Million Jews is ok to you and Olbermann? At the expense of destroying Bernard McGurks life?"
Seriously, Hun, someone slipped you a crazy pill.
Take a deep breath.
Take 5.
Take a soma.
Take a nap.
Mocking the deaths of 6 million Jews is only okay to neo-Nazis. Do you truly believe that "mocking" the dead was Keith's intent? He intended to mock, but not the dead.
Bernard McGurk's life is not destroyed. He's alive and rich and has had far more than his allotted 15 minutes of fame.
I am starting to think Peg has some sort of love interest with McGuirk.
I'm starting to think Peg is McGuirk in drag....
I was thinking the same thing Jeter. Who ever this is they are damn persistent. Let's declare Keith O. Worst Person In the World for doing the sulute, maybe that will resolve it and Peg can have closure.
Hee hee -- good one, Jeeter. Exactly what I was thinking!
Oops -- sorry, Jeter, I meant to type"Jeter"! Guess it's because I'm a Sox fan . . . Or maybe just a terrible typist!
PEGHEN - let me explain the whole O'Reilly mask, supposed Nazi salute thing to you. The reason that Olbermann showed up to the same event as O'Reilly and waved/gave a Nazi salute was that Bill O'Reilly had repeatedly defamed dozens of U.S soldiers who had been murdered by the Nazis in 1944. O'Reilly defamed those men, suggesting that they were murderers and war criminals. The slandering of these dead heroes was done in the context of O'Reilly trying to defend the U.S marines accused of war crimes in Haditha (that's in Iraq in case you didn't know). O'Reilly tried to dismiss the atrocities at Haditha as something that "just happens" in war time - he used the false example of U.S soldiers shooting unarmed German prisoners in a town called Malmedy in 1944. O'Reilly repeatedly used the reference despite the fact that the incident he referred to involved U.S soldiers being mudered by SS troops - NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND! If you had followed the story, you would know that O'Reilly was corrected repeatedly but refused to correct himself or apologise for suggesting that those U.S soldiers of 1944 were murderers. The fact that O'Reilly slandered these dead heroes, refused to apologise and continued to suggest that American troops in WWII were murderers was an outrage and an insult to those who understand true sacrifice! Olbermann made that point very clearly in his approach to O'Reilly - the fact that you would use the suffering of 6 million dead jews to try to score a few points against Olbermann puts you in the same class as O'Reilly - another tempremental, self-absorbed, egomaniacal, under-educated, thoughtless, gung-ho, "kill em all, but don't ask me to get my hands dirty", hypocritical, fear-filled, hate-spewing, visionless little armchair expert that knows nothing about history, world affairs, culture, philosophy, art, politics, community or spirituality. However much you may want to smear and discredit Keith Olbermann by linking to the cheapest Murdoch tabloids you can find, there is no denying that Keith does his research, knows his subjects well and does an excellent job of cutting through the absolute garbage that is spewed by the likes of Fox. Imus and McGuirk deserved to go - ignorant fools that pander to ignorant fools have nothing to offer society besides more conflict and hatred based on ignorance - that includes O'reilly - bravo to Olbermann for calling a fool a fool!
Nobody is "destroying" McGuirk's life....stop exagerrating. It reduces your credibility in a public forum. He was called on his racist garbage after years of getting away with it (this was the guy that Imus hired to tell "n----- jokes"). McGuirk is a major league a-hole; so is that hypocrite, Olbermann.
"Mocking the deaths of 6 Million Jews is ok to you and Olbermann? At the expense of destroying Bernard McGurks life?"
Wait... Keith Olbermann mocked the deaths of 6 million Jews (and destroyed Bernard McGurk's life)? The way you are crucufying Keith Olbermann I am offended by the way you are triviakizing the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Why are you mocking Christ by figuratively crucifying Keith Olbermann, Peg? Why do you hate Jesus?
Ask McGurk that question about him using the holocaust victims suffering to paint himself as a media martyr. Hows that for mocking the deaths of 6 million jews? And WTF are you referring too at the "expense of destroying Bernard McGurks life" ? Are you implying that B. McJerks life is ruined because he was named Worst Person in the World by Big Bad Keith Olbermann? Are you on drugs? That was after he was fired.
ADL gave him a respectful warning, not even, a mere request to consider other behaviour in mocking OReally, they didn't demand an apology. As of that point, I haven't seen him use the gesture again. If anything, you should ask the ADL why they weren't more aggressive... I think I know why... maybe cause it didn't warrant it! Even the letter acknowledged that the gesture was aimed at OReally, do you deny that?
Keith did not single any group out and attack them, or use their suffering as a shallow plow, you got nothing Peg, drop it.
Keep aiding and appeasing Olbermann and his brand of hate. It does wonders for American life in the year 2007.
Give it up, Pigeon. I think it's clear that you have some kind of thing against Olbermann. Too bad you can't find anything substantial for which to criticize him. Calling him "anti-Semitic" based on this one letter from the ADL is pretty lame, even for a Bush Toady.
Maybe she's the gal from the NY Post story she linked to, and now Keith O must die.
Best comment of the day...! Methinks Peg doth protest too much...
Peg, your illogic is impenetrable.
And it's telling that you focus solely on the 6 million Jews who perished. As I noted in another thread, I'm writing a book about one of Dr. Mengele's twins. She is adamant in including the 5 million murdered gypsies, homosexuals, Catholics, intellectuals, resistance fighters, etc., in her story.
But for you, Keith's perceived insult is strictly about Jews. You suggest that you're Jewish, but your narrowed focus suggests that your projection bulb is so bright that it's blinding you to a fuller, more nuanced processing of what has happened.
There once was a poster named Peg
Whose pardon I won't bother to beg
Her charges of Keith
Don't have any teeth
On her face is probervial egg
That last line is proverbial of course. A gift for you Miss Holly. Curious that ol' Peg thinks McGuirk is peachy, what a morass of contradiction her brain must be.
Oh, Julia! Well done! You do have a gift.
His brand of "hate" is aimed at those who brandish hate machine guns to unload on the American People. Keith Olbermann is a hero.
Peg,
Olbermann's salute while placing an O'Reilly mask in front of his face, was a dig against Billy-Boy, not an anti-Semitic gesture.
Now having said that, it was probably childish on Keith's part. I've also read where Olbermann claims he was waving to a friend. Quite frankly I ain't buying that explanation.
Hey, Peggy-O,
Right now Olbermann is running a great piece on "Mission Acomplished" and today's veto of the war funding bill. You should tune in -- it's very informative. He has film footage and everything. It's not as entertaining as Page Six of the NYP, but it least there are polysyllabic words and some "facts".
Well said Dtrain,
notice how PEG uses the word "appease" in the post below yours. Hmmmm appeasement seems a very popular word these days - I didn't realise Sean Hannity released a word of the day calendar - it must be a part of the right wing's "compare progressives to Nazis & conservatives to Holocaust victims" campaign.
- peghen1428
I try to look at the bright, positive side of everything if possible. So I hereby award you a Purple Heart, because you've been badly beaten and injured in your combat regarding this issue you have against Keith.
You also deserve an additional award for your persistance. You just won't give up on your hatred of Keith. As you can see I agree with the Ladies and Men defending Keith on this matter.
Holly:
So does this mean you're available? I'd like to attend your wedding with Keith! If he says no would you consider me?
Sam I Am
Holly's mine, keep dreamin "Sam I am a computer", that is after she drops Keith... :)
Um excuse me dtrain but Holly Dolly belongs to me :-)
Samscomputer, I'm no catch. I'm either alone, writing, or on the road, promoting. Peg was wise to rebuff me and Keith lives an even busier life, so if we were to date, I'd see him seconds on the month. And like a lot of writers, I mumble a lot. And drool a little. On the plus side, I do have a big, handsome face, much like a moose's. Plus, I'm a strong gal, so in a pinch, I can pull the plow. Sexy, eh?
Dtrain, Keith is my hero too.
I'll go on the road with you. I'm one hell of a driver! I'll put up with your drooling if you'll put up with my winking at other girls. If you won't put up with it I promise to stop.
Sam I Am
SEE>> we have stuff in common! She spoke to me!
(blushing)<----
Train:
Would you consider sharing her? She's probably happily married as we speak. Are you there Holly? You have 2 new proposals waiting for your consideration.
Sam I Am
I challenge you sir, to a duel... n stuff....
Woops............
THREE WAITING!!!
Wow! I'm blushing.
This reminds of the time that I went fishing with 19 men. I was doing an article and we were way north: in the wilds. Day by day, I became better looking to those fellows. So it goes with MMFA too. Since there are only about 6 women who post here, I shine by dint of being rare, but look closer and you'll see that I'm 24K pyrite. Pity.
Now, up north, I learned the truth about my seeming beauty.
On the ninth day, a moose cow happened by and all of the fellows gazed at her and murmured things like, "She's hawt."
And, "Hubba-hubba."
Then a vixen happened by and, of course, they said, "What a fox."
24K pyrite? No dang way. Kwiiiiiiit talkin' like that sistah.
Ever hear that a fool and her gold are soon parted? I am that fool with gold. Thus, Ms. Pyrite is right.
Holly,
Decisions, decisions, decisions What's a girl to do.
I have enjoyed all of the posting even Peg. Is Peg really a woman?
I think Peg is one of Keith's jilted dates, just think if only Keith had sent her flowers and a thank you note or at least called.
.Lynn, I'm willing to contribute to sending "make up" flowers if she will stop with the KO and Hitler business.
Pearlene, it's always swell when you appear. I think we're pretty close to having MMFA's six female posters right here!
I have decided that Peg is not a woman. She is the energizer bunny.
Really Julia, I thougt Peg was just Tommy in drag.
Hmmmm . . has anyone ever seen Peghen and the late, unlamented Col. Whatshisface in the same room?
Just a general comment. Peg seems a little over the top in her attacks on Olberman, but the kind of viciousness being expressed toward her personally by some of the commenters here seems to be just the type of "hate" speech they claim so offends them.
Well first, Peg is wrong and has said some outrageous things before.
However I do agree we do get to a level of hate on this board. There are especially regulars on here like "MEFIRST", this is an individual who not only attacks people who are of a different political view but even people like me who are very much against Conservative misinformation and the games they play.
This is the MMFA board, if you come on here and state something that we do not agree with you will be attacked with some hateful statements. I tried to be nice but was leveled with attacks by that hater so now I speak my mind, am clear and concise and do not hold anything back.
"viciousness"
"hate speech"
"level of hate"
I agree that we piled onto Peg. However, no one called her a Nazi. I didn't cull through the entire thread, but here are some of the more recent jabs:
"Seriously, Hun, someone slipped you a crazy pill."
"On her face is proverbial egg"
"Bush toady"
"Tommy in drag""Energizer bunny"
So, "viciousness" seems hyperbolic and such a descriptor undercuts your observation that we did, indeed, rush her and pile on.
Peg was also hyperbolic, stating that Keith offended millions of Jews. One can't know this, therefore, one shouldn't say that. She also stated that Keith is an anti-Semite. This is unclear. What is clear is that Keith is an anti-O'Reilly.
"What is clear is that Keith is an anti-O'Reilly."
And thank goodness for that.
Dude, just take your Xanax and calm down.
Ok Keith...come on...
I've been with you for so long...but this is just stupid. Put it into context. If you listened to the interview...Oh nevermind.
Better get out of the glass house before you pick up another rock.
Dotcha think?
Keith took his comments out of context and you all know it. I saw the interview when it aired and was not in the least offended. I can't, however, understand how giving a nazi salute could ever be considered anything else but offensive.
Maybe we can agree that Keith is "a good person who did a bad thing"? Sorry - no equivalence implied, but I couldn't resist.
In invoking the Martin Niemoller statement, McGuirk trivialized the suffering and genocide of the Holocaust victims. McGuirk and Imus lost their jobs. They were not sent to jail or concentration camp, put in stocks, tortured, burned at the stake, hung, gassed, or crucified. People have been fired for less, and for worse. They were fired and shamed because the audience was offended by and objected to what they said, and the advertisers pulled out. They had been doing this for a long time and had histories of saying even worse. If there is an analogy between the Nazis and McGuirk, Imus and their counterparts on the airwaves, its the propaganda campaign against Jews, Gypsies, Catholics, intellectuals, et al., that preceded, and brainwashed the public into accepting genocide. McGuirk and DeLay are wrong invoking the Niemoller statement. Objections from the public are long overdue. Anybody offended by the hateful, bigoted, incendiary rhetoric (what used to be called "rabble rousing") on the airwaves has the right, if not a duty, to speak out against it. That is not censorship. It is justice. Olbermann is right on.
“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.” Martin Niemoller.
ZanerX: Gosh Zanery, will you please lighten up? I gave Peg two awards and looked to the bright side of her efforts? Chill Out! Besides don't you realize you're in O'Really's Far Left Swamp Pit?
I'm Catholic, a Hispanic, and one who loved the Imus Show. I knew full well that Bernie, Imus, and the rest of the crew used racist remarks to liven up their show. I never felt offended by their comments. No more that blacks using the N word constantly on their music towards each other and calling their women bitches, hos, etc. In other words, it is OK for blacks to demean blacks, and whites also, I might add, but not OK for whites to use the same words they use to deman themselves and find it offensive for whites and even Hispanics to use them. How hypocritical. Put Imus back on and to hell with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. Who ever gave these fools the title Reverend! It is almost insulting!
Every time I see Olbermann or any of the other pathetically low rated shows/anchors take off on someone like Imus or McGuirk or whomever, thinking they are enlightening us... all I can do is laugh and hope the rest of the civilized world doesn't give this idiot Olbermann any serious thought. Olbermann, the people you dis are so far above your level of intellect, humor whatever, you continually struggle to grapple for their shoe strings.....what happened did Imus make fun of you...boooohoooohoooo..Pathetic show Kieth just pathetic...hey tell us again why you would not anchor the Greece olympics..you are pathetic