Coulter's complaint: Falwell should have blamed Sen. Kennedy and Barry Lynn for 9-11
In a May 16 column titled "Jerry Falwell -- Say Hello to Ronald Reagan!," right-wing pundit Ann Coulter, who proclaimed, "Let me be the first to say: I ALWAYS agreed with the Rev. Falwell," admitted that she disagreed with Falwell on "one small item": He should have assigned blame for the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to "[Sen.] Teddy Kennedy [D-MA] and 'the Reverend' Barry Lynn," in addition to "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians -- who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle." Lynn is the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
Coulter wrote:
Actually, there was one small item I think Falwell got wrong regarding his statement after 9/11 that "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians -- who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle -- the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "
First of all, I disagreed with that statement because Falwell neglected to specifically include Teddy Kennedy and "the Reverend" Barry Lynn.
Second, Falwell later stressed that he blamed the terrorists most of all, but I think that clarification was unnecessary. The necessary clarification was to note that God was at least protecting America enough not to allow the terrorists to strike when a Democrat was in the White House.
Coulter went on to compare Falwell to Jesus Christ ("If you still think it isn't Christ whom liberals hate, remember: They hate Falwell even more than they hate me.") and assert that Falwell did not blame all "the gays" for "ejecting God from public life," but rather "gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle." She added:
There have always been gay people -- even in the prelapsarian '50s that Jerry Falwell and I would like to return to, when God protected America from everything but ourselves.
What Falwell was referring to are the gay activists -- the ones who spit the Eucharist on the floor at St. Patrick's Cathedral, blamed Reagan for AIDS, and keep trying to teach small schoolchildren about "fisting."
Also the ones who promote the gay lifestyle in a children's cartoon.
As Media Matters for America noted, Coulter's syndicated column was dropped by several newspapers in March 2007 following her March 2 remarks at the Conservative Political Action Conference, in which she referred to Democratic presidential candidate and former Sen. John Edwards (NC) as a "faggot."
I balme annie for 9/11! There, I said it.
Reasonable, actually. Warmongers like her are to blame in good part for stirring up hatred of America. Overthrowing governments, installing dictators, supporting death squads and fascism throughout the world. You can't destroy lives endlessly and not expect some sort of response.
Naturally, some of the hatred of America is rooted in religious whackology and just plain irrational thinking. But Ms. Coulter and her followers and the like-minded certainly deserve their share of blame.
Good Old Spinster Annie. In actuality Ann was the one who said she wanted to kill all the Arabs or convert them to christianity. Something like that. "I like your Christ. But I dislike your Christians because they are so unlike your Christ."---Mahatma Ghandi.
I think she is saving her $ for sexual reassignment surgery and then will have an affair with sean hannity. What a sick, twisted liar she is. She makes money saying this outlandish nonsense. Her audience are superstitious, mindless 2 legged sheep. I think her next book will be: bush- THE GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME. Even if bush has an approval rating of 1%, that 1% will inclined to buy that book and she will make money. I am going to right a book. The RAPTURE: When the religous right where the only ones left behind. Then for my 2nd book. Victory and Democracy in IRAQ, Santa, The tooth Fairy and bush is competent: Fairy tales I no longer believe in and neither do you. ann coulter has as much credibility as Charles Manson.
write a book. Am watching dateline NBC
Every time she opens her mouth, she spits out vile and hateful words. Her initials tell the real story. Look into her eyes and tell me she isn't the Anti-Christ.
Im sure she will be "Worst Person in the World" on Olbys show tonight.
Ann Coultergeist ROFL. Olbermann is such a funny guy.
She has become so irrevelant, I don't think she is even considered for Olberman's trophies.
For the record, those responsible for 9/11 are the murderers that carried it out and those that planned it - nobody else.......including the gays, the pagans, the abortionists, the lesbians or our government.
Ron Paul feels different.
No, Ron Paul did not say we are responsible for 9/11.
Ron Paul said that 9/11 happened because of American Policy of enforcing the no fly zone in Iraq. Please prove me wrong.
Until you print his entire statements in context, then your piece meal selectivity is worthless. I am not in complete agreement with Paul on this, but he is being smeared for what he didn't say - by his own party.
I do not disagree with Ron Paul, I do think American Foreign Policy between 1991-2001 on Iraq was horrible. We killed hundreds of thousands of children with merciless sanctions , Madeline Albright was one of the supporters of killing children in Iraq saying that was the price is worth it.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
I agree that we have been in bed with horrible dictators at times, and made many mistakes in the middle East, but I think the root cause of terrorism is because certain religions have been taken over by ruthless leaders for political reasons. This fuels hatred for us "infidels" and that causes terrorism......bottom line.
And just how many children has Bush's war killed?
No, that's how Rudy spun it, much to the delight of the cheering torture-wanters. Ron said that's the terrorists' belief, and we need to understand why they feel that way and change their minds.
bush has almost finished reading "MY PET GOAT" then he will get right on it. Everything in due time. Teaching those people how not to hate the current administrations foreign policy would be as easy as convincing jerry fallwell that evolution is resposible for mankind as we know it now. Religious superstition is a negative emotion. Those people over there will never be convinced we have their best interest at heart as long as we keep killing their relatives. The Iraqis have been in boot camp for 4 years and it could take 4 more years to get them to fight for their country. I personally don't believe they ever will. They don't know "democracy". We are still working on it after 230 years. Maybe if they started with a clean slate. Lets kill everybody in the middle east and seed the land with European imigrants. That might work better than the present course. After all, if you try to make everybody happy you are going to piss off some people. The reaction to Rons statement was chilling. Everyone of the other repuplicans on that stage has bus-brown-ring-around-the-collar to varying degrees. VERY SCARRY INDEED.
bush-brown-ring-around-the-collar
B.S. that not what he said you doofus!
If God exacts divine retribution in the corporeal world I want to know what Falwell did for God to strike him down... or is that too obvious?
There is NO PROOF of ANY lightning strikes on Falwell's corpse.
(But as an acquaintance said, Won't he be surprised when he arrives and is given 72 virgins?)
You won't be laughing in 3 days when Falwell's tomb is empty!
; )
I think he'll be surprised when he learns that they misinterpreted that '72 virgin' thing.
The real interpretation is "A 72 virgin." (as in 72 years old)
After years of gorging on grease, sugar and bleached white flour (abusing the temple of the soul) fallwell would not even be able to satisfy one of the virgins. Anything built on negative principles will collapse under its own negative weight. If he comes back it's because the virgins sent him back. They are waiting for Bill Clinton.
11 virgins and 61 liars!
Are you saying 61 of the "virgins" are not virgins or 61 out of 72 virgins are liars? And they are actually waiting for me not clinton but I can wait as virgins are overrated so Cinton will have the first crack at them unless at 58 I get drafted to serve as an IED defuser in Iraq which is a possibility if John Glenn is elected President. Of course you too will be over there teaching the Iraqis how to program their digital video recorders to catch the bill. o. spin zone and sean hannity's show. One of your functions over there will to tell how their great savior baby bush freed them and don't worry just go shopping as things are getting better every day. That will be in 2015 when Glenn is in his second term. So start packing and prepare your family and friends cause it will be late 2025 before you get to come home for a week before you head back. Welcome to bushworld, the decider has decided.
I don't know what I'm saying, I just thought it sounded funny last night. But I have to ask, are you sure that Glenn will beat Savage for the Presidency? I think it's going to be a close race. Personally, I'm voting for whichever Democratic candidate we send up. But I hope it's Hillary. I think she'll do a great job, and it'll make the right whine louder than ever.
I feel sorry for Glenn. I think he is saying lots of things he really does not believe. It is a feeling I get when I watch and listen to him. I get a funny feeling when I see coulter also. Maybe preperation H would make that feeling go away I don't know. I, at times, have a sardonic sense of humor and back here in the grease, sugar, bleached white flour and bible belt I have to be careful so as not to get my house burned down. I don't really fit in here. It would be like sending coulter to Haight-Asbury in San Fransisco. Someone would beat her to death with a Bong. I am looking for contributors to my new book The RAPTURE; When the religious right were the only ones left behind. I am going to write that book. Unfortunately unlike right wingers, when a progressive (such as myself) writes a book, research is essential. Hillary will be President and I believe right wing heads will roll. I believe she will leave baby bush alone as he has already chemically lobotomized himself years ago. Due to the fact baby bush has high functioning DOWNS syndrome, a hands off policy should be adopted so as not to agitate people sympathetic to the retarded (hope I did't offend you lol) don't and they rise up and protest in front of the White House. baby bush is the primary reason the US is not respected like we used to be. Hitler and his Generals. bush and his Generals. See a similarity? Iraq. The Russian front. cheney. Polpot. (maybe Amin)
Annie will have ample chance to tell Jerry this when they are both in chains residing in the lake of fire. Of course, they'll be more occupied with wondering why there are there in the first place, given that they hated all right people in their former life.
Perhaps a more fitting punishment would be for Jerry Falwell to be reincarrnated as a gay man in Lynchburg, Virginia, ostracized by his community, and Ann Coulter as a grieving widow with children... with each one having flashbacks of their previous lives.
But Tommy, as long as Coulter is given an outlet for her sewage by the right wing media, the conservative party is guilty of tacitly offering her support. There are plenty of conservatives that have embraced her and many more that at least tolerate her because she does their dirty work. I won't believe that conservatives don't believe everything she says until they emphatically and consistently denounce her. Everything else is just hypocritical smoke-blowing.
We've been over this before, and it still is smoke-blowing. If you want to hang every one of Coulter's words on conservatives, be my guest.
But reasonable people know it's so you can marginalize their opinions as Coulter-wackiness, so you won't have to logically deal with the merits of all their arguments.
If that's the best you've got, go for it.
she not only gets an outlet in the right wing media, but by mainstream republicans. i am pretty sure that she was introducing one of the gop candidates when she used a slur against john edwards. and yes they did condemn her for that, but what was she doing there to begin with?
Actually, it's just the opposite, Tommy. Republicans can't deal with the merits of the Progressive vision for America so they trot out Annie and Sean and Limbaugh and Beck to obfuscate and misrepresent our values.
Exactly, what is the liberal agenda? - or as you call it, the progressive vision.
Effective government, mutual reaponsibility and broad prosperity.
...mutual responsibility....
Small, limited, efficient and effective government, personal responsibility and removing barriers for opportunity for everyone.
That is the conservative agenda, if liberals share that, great!
Conservative agenda? You left out gay-bashing, war-mongering and evolution-denying, Tommy.
Also progress, keeping religion out of Gvt., free speach, human rights, persuit of happiness (as I see fit as long as it does no one else harm), cloning, stem cell research as the scientists see fit, the search for other intelligent life forms in the universe (none found in the White House), and a ton of other things.
Deep down, these are things conservatives are against. It is clear that conservatives want some form of christian theocracy in this country and want to spread it elsewhere as well. The crusades with another inquisition is on page 666 of the bush doctrine.
"removing barriers for opportunity for everyone." --tommy
I am not so sure about that one. More like removing barriers of opportunity for the wealthy and the powerful...not everyone.
Hey, he didn't say that's actually happening. Just the ideals.
Anyway you spell it, the Republicans are not familiar with the concept.
Quick as a bunny, Tommy changes the subject from the right wing noise machine clear acceptance of Ann Coulter and their readiness to allow her 'message' to be heard to a challenge as to what the left's platform is, as though the progressive agenda has been hidden and needs uncovering.
Note that he made no acknowledgement of the validity of the previous post.
As you know I have many times said I dont blame conservatives for Gangleskank Coulter. Its akin to blaming Muslims overall for 9/11. I do blame CNN, Fox and the other outlets that pretend she is a credible voice to put on their networks and give her the aura of being a reasonable voice FOR conservatives.
Fisting again! Conservatives are obsessed with it!
Tommy, nice try at miscontruing my statement. I never said that all conservative arguments have no merit (because I in fact, don't believe that at all).
I am merely pointing out that as long as Coulter is given aid and comfort by the Republican Party, they can't just say "Oh, that wacky Ann" and be done with it. As long as she is embraced by conservatives, they have to take responsibility for what she says. If they (or you) want to, that's fine. Just be consistent.
Ann Coulter is an elected official just like Michael Moore is an elected official.
I have no obligation to take responsibility for anything Ann Coulter says, that is ridiculous. Are you responsible every time some nutty liberal opens his mouth? People are accountable for their own words, just because someone doesn't take to the airwaves and denounce every offensive slur she utters doesn't mean they endorse it. She has every right to spew whatever she wants, she is in the Ann Coulter business, nobody else is.
Michael Moore must be a voice of the Liberals in that case.
how you arrived at this argument from tommy's (correct) post baffles and bewilders me. He just got done saying that Coulter WASN'T the voice of conservatives everywhere, but merely the voice of Coulter. Wouldn't it then logically follow that he believes Moore to be merely the voice of Moore?
I was being sarcastic!.
See, tone translates SO poorly in online forums. That's why I leave the sarcasm to the masters, and merely try to convey my point.
How many events sponsored by the Democratic Party have featured Michael Moore as a speaker? None that I am aware of.
On the other hand, Coulter is a regular at RNC events.
If continual appearances at Republican sponsored dinners is not Republican endorsement then what is? At what point does one cross the line between freelance advocate and official mouthpiece? And remember, Karl Rove WAS NEVER ELECTED EITHER, so don't play the election card, it's irrelevant.
Coulter is a fully-owned subsidiary of the RNC, Moore is a just a liberal who has the means to disseminate his opinions, which are supportive of the DNC. Period, end of story...that is, till Democrats start inviting him to their fund raisers and whatnot. Then, be my guest and call him a DNC endorsed personality, nothing would make me happier.
Randy
Michael Moore sat with President Jimmy Carter at the 2004 Democratic Convention.
Call me when Moore is invited to SPEAK at the DNC, or didn't you understand my claim.
Randy
My point Randy was that you are attempting to minimize Moore's influence within the Democratic Party.
I'm just pointing out he's[obviously] important enough to be invited to sit with a former President.
And you are attempting to inflate his importance with the Democratic Party because of his seat assignment.
Perhaps Carter was the thinnest person at the convention with an empty seat next to him who wouldn't mind Michael Moore's girth spilling into his lap.
I for one would.
Randy
Actually Randy Carter invited Moore to sit with him, but I can see you're just another angry Liberal...so I'll bid you adieu.
Just another angry liberal? Yeah, and you're just another flim flam artist Republican: Oh, I wouldn't deign to lower myself to such foul discourse.
Sure thing, whatever you say my dismissive friend.
You do not get to define the terms of the debate by defining what is or is not acceptable behavior.
Well roundhouse, if I knew what the heck you were going on about here I might be able to address it. But you've got one of them old hairs across your butt too.
Randy seemed to get a wee defensive when I mentioned that Jimmy Carter invited Michael Moore to sit with him. So I said farewell. I mean why bother discussing an issue with someone who isn't interested in serious discourse and instead offers:
Perhaps Carter was the thinnest person at the convention with an empty seat next to him. <----That's dismissive, dear old Roundy. But of course you'd never notice that.
So I'll bid you adieu as well or good riddance [take your pick]
"Perhaps Carter was the thinnest person at the convention with an empty seat next to him."
Looks like good natured ribbing to me or humor, I laughed.
But you think Fantagor got defensive? Wonder why?
Fantagor was making a reasonable argument about the overall lack of denunciation of Coulter by Republicans, specifically the RNC, and as such that is a tacit acceptance of her toxicity. Maybe that is where some condescending Republican got a wee bit defensive and had to make the comparison to Michael Moore?
Anyway, like I said, it ain't up to you to decide what is acceptable or reasonable. That crap will not work. You will not arbitrate the discussion by exercising such a passive-aggressive control tactic. If you can't refute a point on the face of it just admit it.
Actually another poster brought up Michael Moore before I joined the discussion and Fantagor aka Randy wrote to them:
"Moore is a just a liberal who has the means to disseminate his opinions, which are supportive of the DNC. Period, end of story...that is, till Democrats start inviting him to their fund raisers and whatnot."
So I simply mentioned that Moore had been invited to sit with former President Jimmy Carter at the 2004 Democratic Convention.
Guess under your rules I wasn't allowed to do that?
Sorry Roundhouse, I didn't know you were really Mr. Brock.
You can make the point that Moore sat next to Carter, no big deal.
It's when you roll out the, 'just another angry liberal' generalization that reveals an attempt to dishonestly frame the debate and hence control your opponent.
I don't enjoy being a jerk, not to you, not to anybody. I just won't let that stuff slide.
If you don't think Coulter is representative of the Republican party, make that case. Show me where or how the GOP has disavowed her but I'm not giving quarter to slimy diversions like 'you're just angry, you don't count.'
That's just how I see it. If I'm wrong I'll accept honest criticism.
Peace out, it's supper time.
Hey Jeter, what office Jimmy Carter is running for?
Rick, one angry Liberal. ;-)
Exactly! Jimmy is too old to give a rats a_ _ about what anybody thinks, in my opinion. I know I don't and I am 58. If I were Jimmy and Hitler was alive, I'd ask him over to sit next to me. Maybe I could get some pointers on roasting peanuts. I know that was horrible) coulter IS a front person for the RNC propaganda machine just like hannity and rush limpbaugh (as well as others) If you are going to shout-out truth you must do it with lots of b.s. over and over again. It is a marketing tactic that works. I know carl rove is familiar with that concept
Darn. I thought he was actually running for an office. I wanted to vote for him...again.
You quoted me honestly then ignore the substantive core of my point, that Moore is not regularly invited to DNC fund raisers.
A seat at the 2004 Convention doesn't make him a REGULAR at DNC fund raisers since the 2004 Convention was in July 2004 and this (checks calendar) is May 2007, almost 3 years later.
Jeter, are you caught in a time warp, say around July 2004, when Iraq still looked doable and Bush was only a nitwit instead of a totally disconnected and dangerously incompetent nitwit?
That would explain an awful lot of your politics, and your obsession with where Moore sat in July 2004, which, to you, is playing on a Mobius strip.
Randy
Well Randy as much as you'd like to believe Moore doesn't have any backing among the Dem/Libs, he does. They may hold him somewhat at bay, but apparently they do *appreciate* the guy. And President Carter is still a notable voice among Dem/Libs. Like it or not your party is affiliated with Moore, as much as mine seems to have ownership of Coulter.
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But last night the city's political heavyweights -- well, the Democratic ones, at least -- greeted Moore with open arms as they turned out en masse for the Washington premiere of his new film Fahrenheit 9/11. Packing the Uptown Theater to the rafters, about 800 people -- including South Dakota Senator Tom Daschle, Florida Senator Bob Graham, and Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, to name just a few of the prominent Democrats in attendance -- took in Moore's two-plus hours of Bush-bashing, applauding throughout and giving Moore a standing ovation when it was over. Even Moore seemed a bit taken aback by the Democratic establishment's effusive embrace. Wearing a snazzy suit and tie -- rather than his standard jeans-and-windbreaker ensemble -- and foregoing his trademark baseball hat, Moore told the crowd in remarks before the film: "I come from a working class family, I have a high school education and none of the Irish who got off the boat who are my ancestors could have ever imagined I would be standing here addressing you and having so many members of Congress here this evening. I feel very honored by that, and humbled by it."
Once upon a time, of course, the Democratic establishment kept Moore at arm's length, deeming him too controversial and mercurial to be of much political use. But those days are gone. Earlier this year Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark shared a stage with Moore at a campaign rally in New Hampshire, at which Moore questioned Bush's National Guard service, branding him a "deserter."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/24/opinion/main625985.shtml
Michael Moore is not equivalent to Ann Coulter.
She had written dishonest diatribes that have gotten widespread notice on the rightwing talk circuit.
Michael Moore has created accurate movies that push a liberal viewpoint that then get recognized by Democrats.
Ann Coulter is a guest commentator of choice of many rightwing TV and radio hosts. Moore is not a regular commentator on any TV or radio shows. He is not commonly thought of as a representative of "the left" by those on the left in the media, as Coulter is of "the right" by those on the right in TV and radio and journalism.
They're not the same.
Jeter, buddy, you need a doctor
After all, you just shot yourself in the foot. Let me explain.
First you said, "Michael Moore sat with President Jimmy Carter at the 2004 Democratic Convention."
Okay, fine; are you somehow equating Moore's significance with Democrats and Coulter's significance with Republicans? Apparently not, for you followed up with "I'm just pointing out he's [obviously] important enough to be invited to sit with a former President."
In other words, you had no real point. But going further, you admit: "Actually... Carter invited Moore to sit with him...." So, Moore is invited to sit with Carter because he's significant to the DNC, except they didn't do the inviting--Carter did it himself. All this says is that Carter, for his own personal reasons, wanted Moore to sit with him.
If we were to borrow from Tommy's playbook, and say that Coulter's actions are hers alone and cannot be blamed on the RNC (arguable, but let's just take it as it stands), then surely Carter's actions are also his alone and cannot be blamed/credited on the DNC. Surely you see the logic of that?
Then, unfortunately, you fell completely off the deep end with your off-hand comment about dealing with "another angry Liberal." Don't you see that your broad-brush insult is not only entirely irrelevant, but is more likely to create anger than dissipate it? It reminds me of the 1992 VP debate, when Dan Quayle--that paragon of class--interrupted Al Gore and told him to "calm down." Can you imagine a calmer politician at the time than Gore? In a scholarly debate setting, Quayle's comment (and yours to Fantagor) would result in penalty points if not disqualification.
We all know that you're capable of better than this, Jeter; please don't disappoint us.
Anyone that gives substantial money can get a seat. Its the speaking that denotes anything more.
Has Moore ever advocated poisoning a Supreme Court justice? Said we should beat conservatives with baseball bats. That we ought to drop daisy cutters at ramdom anywhere? That conservatives are outright traitors? That we ought to televise torture as a sport? Moore is not anywhere near as venal as Gangleskank Annie. I am ashamed to be the same species as the thing that slithers called ANN
But he sat next to Jimmy Carter on a bus or something therefore it's equivalent to any and everything Ann Coulter does and says.
I'd like to know who the 'nutty liberals' are, because nobody on the progressive side can compare to Coulter. No, Michael Moore is not a nutty liberal, any more than George Will is a nutty conservative. It seems to me the most outrageous politicos come from the right, period. You've got Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Lielly, Beck...who on the left can compare?
Nobody.
Shameful. Utterly, despicably shameful. Does EVERYTHING have to eventually revolve around 9/11? It may be a little off topic, but this rant has been brewing in me for a while now, and I think it may be tim to air it out.
Terrorist attacks happened before September 11th, 2001. Terrorist attacks have happened SINCE September 11th 2001. The events of that day were awful, traumatic, and gut-wrenchingly disheartening. But they are, for the most part, in the past. The twin towers fell almost 6 years ago - and yet the fear-mongers would have us wake up every morning, come out from hiding under the covers, and go about our lives in a state of shell-shocked morbidity and fear. YES, we should take steps to prevent further terror attacks. YES, we should have gone to Afghanistan to find and punish those responsible for 9/11. NO, we should not spend every day terrified that a terrorist will come to our office, or our home, or our children's schools hell-bent on destruction.
Heck, I'll even own it. I hope the fear-mongers have their ammo-pails out, because I'm about to fill them up for 'em by acknowledging what they've said all along...
I want to return to a "pre 9/11 mindset"
I want to return to a country more concerned with individual rights than with an overarching sense of "security."
I want to return to a country that didn't wake up every morning afraid that someone was trying to kill them. look at the percentages! 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 - out of a nation of 300 million. For those doing that math, that's .00001% of the population! A tragic event, one worthy of grief, and mourning, and a deep sense of loss, and of reprisal. But when that is done, can we as a nation not MOVE ON?
OK, I'm getting off my soapbox now. Sorry for veering a bit off-topic, but I sort of felt it had to be said.
This is no time for rational arguments.
We are at war.
We are busy killing people who didn't kill us and couldn't kill us.
We are policing the globe to make it safe for white people.
We are the most powerful nation on Earth.
We can do what we want.
Try and stop us.
Everything I have written above has been said before by Great Britain, the Dutch, and so on, name any empire, they all go through a period of megalomania then die out.
It took a meteor strike to kill off the dinosaurs, humans will kill off each other, so no need for such dramatic heavenly fireworks.
However, I do like a good fireworks show. Who doesn't?
Randy
All because our religion makes us rightious-God is on our side. Our stained glass windows and steeples are better than yours.............
Why is mAnn so enamored with fisting?
Because it needs to be discussed, why do we need to teach school children about "fisting"?
Casey, What school cirriculum in this country teaches children about fisting?
I hope none.
Why do you bring up ignorant strawman talking points that are not happening anywhere in the country and besides being stupid are nothing more than baseless propaganda?
yeah, if we wanna divert the issue, let's at least divert it by asking why an FBI agent called florida to "vouch" for Coulter thus getting her voter fraud charges dropped. One law for them, another for us. Elitist jerks...
Looky here: http://englishatheist.org/indexz74.shtml
Here is how Anny Get your Hate writes her columns! She has a hate generator.
Seriously, her columns are as formulatic as your garden variety sit com. Blame some liberals for something, praise the lord, blame some liberals , make some snarky remark about someone in the news, praise the lord, make up some lies about something, finish with a hate zinger.
Because it's an easy way to conjure feelings of revulsion and paint the picture that ALL gay people are into fisting.
I'm surprised she didn't also throw in a NAMBLA reference as well.
You are wrong!!!! Her hips are not wide enough.
My point is that I wonder if Ann will be invited back to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) or if anyone in the Republican Party will denounce what she said. After all, Mitt Romney was there and said,
"I'm happy to learn also that after you hear me, you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. That is a good thing. Oh yeah! "
Does he still think this is a "good thing"? If not, he should say so. So should any other candidate. If they don't, then they are tacitly endorsing what she says by accepting her endorsement.
(COULTER: What do I think of Governor Romney's candidacy for presidency? I think he's probably our best candidate.)
If Coulter and Romney want to go on a picnic together, who cares? It's their business, not mine or anyone elses. She can choose her candidate like everyone else does. Unless she becomes an elected official who represents her constituents, Ann speaks for Ann.
oh yeah, what if Romney fists her in front of some pre-schoolers? Would it still be none of your bees wax? That's right at some point their relationship does become you business.
Michael Moore doesn't speak at Democratic Party functions. He doesn't do regular appearances on news shows defending Democratic party positions or endorsing Democratic candidates. Moore and Coulter are not analagous.
Well to be fair Michael Moore did sit next to Jimmy Carter in the 2004 Democratic Convention in Boston.
They sat Moore next to Carter as punishment for Carter losing to Reagan in 1980.
I like Moore, but I wouldn't want a seat next to him. He's rather fat if you haven't noticed.
Randy
Afraid you're going to catch obesity from Moore, Fan?
To be fair, Doris, you would have had to reply to what the previous poster said.
He said that Michael Moore does not regularly get to be front and center at these events.
You then mentioned that he did attend one event?
Attending one event is not being regularly front and center at these events. Mentioning one appearance in reply to someone saying that he had not made appearances at many events is not being fair, Doris. It's being disingenuous!
Okay, let me get this straight. The implication here is that God "let" 9/11 happen because he's mad at us...right? So, we killed hundreds of thousands of Indians...and he was okay with that. We imported thousands of black slaves...no problem. We passed laws which discriminated against people for the color of their skin...zip. Then, when we start thinking about letting gay people get married...God has a hissy fit?
If that's true, then Christopher Hitchens is right.
Blessed are those that use my name to spread hatred for they shall comfort the biased
Blessed are those that dispence justice in my name for they shall be self-righteous
Blessed are those who develop reaction formation for they shall be filled with self-hatred.
I don't find myself in agreement with Hitchens on a regular basis, but I have to admit that I really had to like him the other night.Sean Hannity trying to fight back tears while trying to get Hitchens to say nice things about Falwell was priceless.
Ralph Reed even managed a forced smile, but Hitchens calm and steady refusal to take back his criticisms of Rev, Jerry, and the resulting hysterical babbling by Hannity, was one of the most enjoyable TV moments in quite a while.
" the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen."(Coulter)
What, we weren't Christian enough to make Al Qaeda happy, or not Muslim enough? I wish Coulter would clarify her insane points a little more so we could tell exactly which path to Crazytown she's taking.
That just goes to show how stupid Hannity is. I have read Hitchens for years in the Nation he may have gone to the darkside on the matter of the war but he is about as likely to lionize Falwell as he is Kissenger.
For those who messed it, the segment ended with Hitch saying,
"If you gave Falwell an enema he'd be buried in a match box."
It is because he was full of mucoidal placques from eating deep fried grease, sugar and bleached white flour, the staples of most Americans. He poluted the temple of his soul. He is stuck with a 72 year old virgin. Then pat robertson will have his fling with her (perhaps sooner rather than later) Then benny henn, jimmy swaggert, and the rest of the charlatans which are like maggots on the corpse of truth. I am thinking of being an IPOD evangelist.
Exactly. Funny how the right-wingos conveniently forget about the transgressions of white Christians so they can condemn anybody else for the problems they may have had a part in creating. When Ron Paul suggested foreign policy might have had something to do with the hatred towards America and the west in general, he might as well have set the noose around his own neck. It's despicable how these idiots behave when the truth confronts them.
I think Coulter is losing her appeal, though. You can count on Hannity to muster a woody for her, but the major networks seem to be giving her a pass. Now that, to quote our pal Romney, 'is a GOOD thing!'
"If Coulter and Romney want to go on a picnic together, who cares? It's their business, not mine or anyone elses."
Well, except for the part where Romney is running for President and Coulter gets invited to speak at Republican events, then yeah, I agree completely.
The main problem with the Republican party's relationship with Coulter is that they apologize for her, defend her and count on her endorsement and then don't want to take responsibility when she says something really horrible. Sorry, can't have it both ways.
I have no interest in what the Republican party does or doesn't do, I am not in that membership......that is a totally different entity than your first comment about conservatives. If she wants to endorse Republicans over Democrats, that's her business. I don't look to Ann Coulter for any inspiration or leadership on anything beyond a hunt for peroxide hair color.
I know this might be a bit off-topic, but this is the best comment I read about Rev. Falwell after his passing:
"Unfortunately, we will always remember him as a founder and leader of America's anti-gay industry, someone who exacerbated the nation's appalling response to the onslaught of the AIDS epidemic, someone who demonized and vilified us for political gain and someone who used religion to divide rather than unite our nation." - Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
Fair enough. Now, I'd like to hear that from the Republican candidates.
Now the candidates are a different story, they are far too ninny-fied for that.......some fear they may insult her supporters and risk alienating them and their precious votes.....they will have no part of that.
...because the Pagans really are a strong political contingent...Coulter, you stupid B/Witch
Holy Cow!
Coulter is so far out there her diatribe needs no rebuttal.
What a moonbat.
Does anyone think that Coulter will take top honors in Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in The World catagory? I think that she may qualify for the gold tonight.
When Ann makes her hate speech, conservatives selectively say she's just Ann. When Ann appears on conservative radio and TV and spews her hate we are told she is not elected therefore she doesn't represent us. When Michael Moore sits next to Jimmy Carter he represents the democratic party. When Sean Penn travels to Baghdad he represents the democratic party. When Rosie speak she represents the democratic party. When Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins speak they represent the democratic party. Do you see where I'm going with this.
Not really. None of the celebrities or pundits you mention speak for anyone but themselves.
Tell that to the right-wing critics.
That is true Tommy, however Bill, Sean Rush and Michael don't seem to know that.
"Not really. None of the celebrities or pundits you mention speak for anyone but themselves"
Yes and they have no influence on our public debate whatsoever.
To tell you the truth Deep Throat Annie is to blame for Global Warming. Every time she opens her mouth nothing but hot, halatosis air comes out. And, yes, she (it?) is gay.
She is built upside down so it is flatulance. I recorded my flatulance and it sounds like a bush speach but more articulate.
Oh, call me uninformed but I never knew what "fisting" was until she spread the word.
Don't worry, the gays will make sure your children know.
I'm just concerned that if that imaginary fisting education is removed from the schools our precious children will have to learn about fisting on the street.
Good question. The celibacy education program has apparently failed and will be replaced. I haven't heard what will replace it. A more straightforward teaching of sexual guilt?
Newsflash Annie: I don't hate Christ. You can worship a Jewish zombie all you want. Just don't forget to turn the other cheek, love your enemies, and give all that $$$ you earned from your bestsellers to the poor. Unless you've seen any camels go through the eyes of needles lately, that moolah is your one-way ticket to joining Jerry in the City of Dis. (I think Ronnie is at least in Circle Four - Greed).
OKAY, Annie, you fifteen minutes for this month are up. Time to go back to the MOONBAT cave. We will summon you the next time we need a laugh. TA-TA for now,
Your Friends at MMFA
"and keep trying to teach small schoolchildren about "fisting." Could she get anymore vulgar? Crikey, she says this crazy stuff and yet they love her over there, somewhere.
Note to Annie. If Falwell had spent more time practicing "Christian" Principles instead of spreading the flammatory (my word of the day, purchased at 12 for $1) stuff that was highlighted at this site so often, the world could have been better off and chasm between the two sides of the political spectrum may not be so deep or so wide.
Did you know she was the editor of the Michigan Law Review at UofM? Unlike Rush Limbaugh, she's actually educated. What a waste. She could be doing a lot to make the world and the country a better place, but has instead decided to spend a life writing thinly-veiled hate-propaganda like this. It's sad, really.
The Paris Hilton of pundits strikes again. She is absolutely desperate for attention. Actually the comparison might be unfair to Paris.
THE Paris Hilton of Pundits, very good. I am going to steal that line...WHY, because I am vermin.(See any Savage post)
They could start a business. HOs Inc. (hannity & o'reilly suck Inc.)
Hopefully she won't have any home made pornos surfacing.
Ann Coulter, the more irrelevant she gets, the more absurd. Insane religious fanatic extremists, manipulated by Osama bin Laden, are to blame for 9-11. Coulter, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Perkins, G.W. Bush, Cheney, Rove, DeLay, et al (the "Domininists") have much in common with the Islamic fanatics: they want to replace Democracy with Theocracy and will do anything to achieve power. They don't really believe that creationism stuff, but they know anybody who believes the bible stories literally will buy anything. Instead of blaming Islamic terrorists, Coulter, like Falwell, blames god for 9-11. That is, the god they believe in. The god who blames the victims. The god who is angry, hateful, vengeful and unmerciful like themselves. The god who hates the American Constitution and wants biblical law. The god who prefers frauds and liars, and approves of corrupt governments, corporate welfare, assassination, torture, genocide and nuclear bombs. The god who is so frustrated and incompetent, he has to call people like G.W. Bush, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and ask for their assistance.
I don't think you should beat-around-the-bush. Go ahead and spit it out.I sort of get the feeling (I could be wrong) you believe cults (ALL religions. Cult= mind control. ....if you do not believe you will spend eternity in hell...=cult) are responsible for a lot of what is going on in the world. Superstition is a negative emotion as is fear, hate, greed, anger, revenge, jealousy. I just described every right winger didn't I?
I have to say that a return to the 50's won't exactly be a good thing for all of us. That whole not being allowed to vote thing and the Klan running amuck isn't my idea of a good time but hey if Annie and Jerry think it's a good thing who am I to argue?
Coulter is always saying stupid things. I'm not really surprised.
Let's blame those who don't agree with Coulter's world view, and make God the instrument of 9/11. Let's forget that it was Bush who ignored the warnings.
Why does anyone with any sense even care what Coulter says. If it were not for Hannity having her on every night, no one would even know who she is or would think she is an advertisement for eating disorders.