Boortz named "Worst Person" for falsehood that Clinton was convicted of perjury
On the June 5 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named syndicated radio host Neal Boortz the "winner" of his nightly "Worst Person in the World" segment for, as Media Matters for America documented, "literally making up history" by claiming that "[former vice presidential chief of staff] 'Scooter' Libby and Bill Clinton got sentenced and convicted for exactly the same crime." While Libby was convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements, Olbermann noted: "Clinton was never even indicted. And when he was impeached, he was acquitted." Olbermann then observed: "A caller actually got through to say he didn't remember Clinton being convicted of perjury. Boortz responded, 'I'm sorry, he was.' The caller insisted and so did Boortz. 'We're talking about a criminal trial, sir. The verdict was guilty.' "
From the July 5 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:
OLBERMANN: But our winner, right-wing water-carrier Neal Boortz, now reduced to telling flat-out lies. Quote, " 'Scooter' Libby and Bill Clinton got sentenced and convicted for exactly the same crime." Clinton was never even indicted, and when he was impeached, he was acquitted. A caller actually got through to say he didn't remember Clinton being convicted of perjury.
Boortz responded, "I'm sorry, he was." The caller insisted, and so did Boortz. "We're talking about a criminal trial, sir. The verdict was guilty." So, Neal, either that happened in that alternative universe you live in or you dreamt it. Either way, probably time for you to shut up now. Neal Boortz, literally making up history as he goes along, today's Worst Person in the World!
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This is a home run for Brock and Olbermann...if the standard is shallow redundancy.
This is a home run for Brock and Olbermann...if the standard is shallow redundancy.
News like this only allowed to be reported once... in one medium only? That's silly.
For instance, I almost never watch TV. I saw the story first on C&L.
Franky what ticks me off is that millions of viewers heard the lie and probably believed it.
I don't care how many media outlets highlight the Boortz bungle...but mmfa just reported this yesterday...and followed up with this report...which brought nothing new to the issue.
Makes one wonder about the paltry volume of conservative misinformation out there if items need to be duplicated for more impact.
But it's good to see many here are right on top of these media injustices every time an opinionated talk show host opens his or her mouth. Makes us all sleep better at night.
These catfights perpetrated by Brock and Olbermann read like a bad script from a Vince McMahon Caged Death Match on championship wrestling.
I think MMFA must have a set quota of Conservative MIS-information they feel they need to meet each day. Why else repeat this story?
The only other reason would be to pat their sidekick Keith on the head ;-)
J, Perhaps it's for those who are vacationing in France and missed it the first time around.
Sometimes I think they keep doing it to spite some people. I'm not naming names, but it's not too tough to figure out.
or maybe they were just eating some french fries or having french toast?
or french kissing. Thank god the french invented that. I bet the right don't french kiss. Can anyone imagine french kissing coulterskank or hantywaste?
Jeter, you aren't comparing us to cops and speeding tickets, are you? I may have to pull you over... ;)
Jeter, you aren't comparing us to cops and speeding tickets, are you? I may have to pull you over... ;)
Good analogy Snoop. Yeah I think I'm doing just that...
Better be careful if you're thinking of pulling me over though...I'm part of the Conservative Poster Mafia. Well if the Gays can have a Mafia, why can't we? ;-)
I think they should amend their mission to include the documentation of all bad behavior like the inequality in the dispensement of justice, cronyism, (talk about affirmative action) incompetence, and bigotry. They would have to hire extra staff. Unfortunately Tommy the extremists that took over your conservative movement have been behaving very badly for a very long time. I think all of their outrageous behavior and uttering’s should be highlighted. I'm happy there are those who balance out the 24/7 liberal smearing done on Fox news and right wing radio. When they stop smearing maybe MMFA will become obsolete, and then you and Wes both would miss it. I know I would.
Lynn,
The extremists that have taken over my conservative movement have just left my movement and are now part of the homosexual mafia........another stealth group.
There are fringe extremists living in every ideology unfortunately, not exclusive to my movement at all. They are pesky and vocal, and used by their desperate opponents as a marginalizing tool.......we all know that, right?
I agree Tommy. I wish there could be a truce and they could stop mud slinging and my side could stop slinging it back and we could all behave civilly for a change. Sadly when someone or a wimp. BTW welcome back you were missed.
don't know what happened to my sentence: but here it is :
Sadly when someone proposes this they are dismissed as a wussy or a wimp.You're very nice Lynn, thanks. In some strange way, I missed all of you too.......well, some of you, not everyone (but they know who they are!)
Despite our differences we are all part of some common sister and brotherhood here I suppose.......for what would we do without each other? Actually my vacation away made me appreciate the good things in my life, much of it was spent caring for my ill father and helping my mother.......so I am very grateful for my good health and very thankful for anything beyond that.
(why did I go into that........?)
because it was important to you that's why and time with family is important and valuble.
"Makes one wonder about the paltry volume of conservative misinformation out there if items need to be duplicated for more impact."--tommy
I don't really feel that. I see lots of stuff I consider misinformation that MMFA never comments on. I think the redundancy is a bit of self-indulgence by MMFA.
I think any complaints about MMFA ring a little bit hollow considering the seemingly unlimited layers of repetative memes in the conservative echosphere.
they both lied under oath about something that was not a crime.
libby just got indicted for lying about something that was not a crime, if he commited a crime he would have indicted for the crime, instead he was indicted for lying about somthing that was never proven to be a crime
the MMFA Department of Redundancy Department strikes again.
I cannot believe you are a Firesign theater fan. I think you need to be returned for regrooving
Dr. Benway is standing by.
If anyone has seen the real Dr. Fetterman, he's wanted in neurosurgury imediately!
Yeah, Boortz got owned. I can't believe his staff slacked off and didn't check the facts, and even let a caller through that pointed out the error.
You assume that he and his staff didn't know what B was saying - not at all a safe assumption. The "Big Lie" technique is a mainstay of wingnut commentators.
Wow, someone gets the "worst person award" because they misspoke. I bet this propaganda website will fail to mention that Boortz did come back and correct what he said. The bottom line is this, Scooter will serve as much time in prison for lying to a grand jury, as Bill Clinton did!
The reason some far-wingers (right and left) don't listen to logic that happens to support the other side, is because the other side is also represented by people like you, who overexagerrate (unless "misspoke" means repeatedly saying the wrong thing) and make two-wrongs-equal-right arguments.
Bill C
Bill Clinton screwed a woman he wasn't supposed to
George W Bush screwed the country he wasn't supposed to.
I'm most worried about an overreaction from the electorate where we get a leftist version of Bush for pres/congresspeople.
If Mr Bush had governed like he promised, this possibility would not have been real. People get ticked off at " the decider " thumbing his nose at the law.
Uhm... which woman was that?
"Misspoke"?
Boortz made a claim, the caller tried to correct him and Boortz admonished the caller and repeated the misinformation. I'd say it was pretty clear that he was trying to convince the caller that Clinton was convicted. That was his base comparison between Clinton and Libby.
If you consider THAT "misspeaking" and are willing to afford Boortz a pass, then I'm sure you'll forgive Michael Moore for all the "misstatements" you likely claim he made in Farenheit 911.
I'm finding it easy to explain this to educated people (I admit, almost all of my educated friends are Liberal, but then again educated areas tend to be Liberal according to even Cons).
If a child lies about making their bed, then they have lied. They may receive a reprimand. On the other hand, if they are part of (or have knowledge of) the torching of a neighbor's house, and then lie about it...
Is there not a difference? Cons, please answer. More congressional oversight on the Clinton Christmas card list than this f-in war? Where's the sanity in all of this?
What is with the Con mind that cannot see the difference? If they insist that the lie is the important thing, then cheney and bush would have been in jail long ago. Clinton got a bj, get over it. He did not out a covert agent. If he did, then he should be in jail.
I find it hard to explain to people who are educated liberals that they sound smug and condenscending when they mention their education.
These so called 'liberals' make assumption after assumption that they automatically take as gospel when crafting their analogies and apologies defending the immoral behavior of Bill Clinton.
Just call a philanderer an philanderer. Bill did not lie about 'making a bed', he lied about using his office to have cheap and tawdry sex with an intern. An act that would have had him fired if he were working for any number of organizations within the government sector or private companies.
Sheesh.
An act that almost certainly would NOT get him fired from being CEO of most corporations which is a better comparison. If the CEO of Ford were doing as good a job of running their company as Clinton was of running the country and the board of directors found out he was diddling his secretary they would give her a raise.
Now that is the strangest defense of Clinton I've heard of yet.
Oh well... Glad to see he's still raking in millions influence peddling while his better half runs for his old job. Some habits just are hard to quit.
It wasnt a defense of Clinton. Had you said his adultery was immoral I would agree. I have strong feelings about adultery. What you did was try to make a different point, about why he should have lost his job with a spurious and meritless argument. I pointed out ONE problem with it the next poster pointed out another. I dont have to like what Clinton did or even Clinton himself to point out the weakness of your logic.
AA, you're right. Clinton was not fired for his philandering. I would remind you that neither was Rudy Giuliani. Neither was Newt Gingrich. Neither was House Manager Henry Hyde.
The simple fact is this: there's simply no way a logical, thinking person can make the argument that Clinton's lying about infidelity is even in the same league with Libby's lying to cover up treason in the West Wing. It's just bizarre that regressives keep trying to make such a lame argument.
And back to the original point of this article. Boortz is an ultra-right-wing Republican hack who masquerades as a Libertarian. So he's being disingenuous right from the get-go.
You make a good point. However I am not aware of the circumstances of the other people mentioned.
My only point was to point out the silliness of the analogy.
ps. I don't see Libby as being treasonous. Stupid and forgetful? Yyes.
Felonious? YES.
Obstructive? YES.
Hahaha... For now.
Even if he is pardoned, it will still be valid to say he was convicted of a felony. While he'll be absolved of the legal consequences of his conviction, the conviction still stands, as I comprehend it.
Ergo, "felonious forever".
ok. I can live with that. It is similar to saying Clinton was impeached.
No because an impeachment is just an indictment. Libby was indicted and convicted.
like Oliver North, he will end up at the Fox Newsmanagement Corp
Stupid and forgetful? I think that was the conservative spin. It seems a jury that was shown all of the germaine facts rejected that spin.
So I guess you agree that the Clinton-Libby comparison is absurd, since you did not comment on the heart of the matter. Thank you.
Also, I hereby apologize for using the Cons own loud assumption that universities and colleges are bastions of Liberal ideology.
No need to apologize. Enjoy the life in your ivory tower looking down on the rest of us.
You must still agree with me. There is a difference between a lie about a bj and lie to protest those who commit treasonous acts. Protecting evildoers is a problem to me.
I never stated or boasted about my education, or lack thereof. It is my educated Liberal friends who make me look like a moderate.
Scoot,
I only took issue with your analogy. I did think it was silly and a bad analogy. It didn't make sense.
Your comment about hanging out with educated people was superfluous and condescending, I only wanted to chide you a bit about it. I have no doubt that the professors at your institution do indeed make you look moderate.
In my town we have a few PhDs who regularly write opinion columns and their lack of perspective should be an embarrassment. However I do believe it is because they are so wrapped up in with like minded people for their entire careers and using those same years to pontificate to students who will not dare oppose them, they lose whatever balance they might once have possessed. However their condescension is readily apparent whenever one reads their opinions. I find that same condescension here from many of the liberals who post. My guess is many of them are well educated too.
Since the conservative talking points (read lies) generally rely on the ignorance of the audience (and this is one example. Others are "No underlying crime," "The leak was from Armatige," "The Rich pardon was the same thing, "Plame was not covert," etc. None of these lies stand up to scrutiny.) it is perfectly reasonable to point out the ignorance of any audience that buys this garbage.
To accept one lie after another as if it had equal weight with the facts is prima facia evidence of ignorance - if not stupidity.
"However I do believe it is because they are so wrapped up in with like minded people for their entire careers and using those same years to pontificate to students who will not dare oppose them, they lose whatever balance they might once have possessed."--anotheramerican
You don't think that is a condescending attitude? I don't know what college/university you have there, but some of the most intellectually circumspect and challenging conversations I have had were with professors.
Your attempt at belittling their opinions strikes me as "sour grapes" as do most conservative attacks on intellectuals.
Also, I hereby apologize for using the Cons own loud assumption that universities and colleges are bastions of Liberal ideology.
Well then shouldn't we enact a Fairness Doctrine in this instance to assure a fair balance at these universities and colleges ?
I know many intelligent, educated folks, some Conservative, some Liberal. Maybe you should try to expand your narrow circle of acquaintances & friends...
And loose the condescending attitude, you sound like a pompous ass.
Yes, dad.
Oops meant-->LOSE
Figured I'd correct it before Scooter, the smarter than everybody else Liberal did
I'm finding it easy to explain this to educated people (I admit, almost all of my educated friends are Liberal, but then again educated areas tend to be Liberal according to even Cons).
Sorry, it still stands: almost all of my educated friends are Liberals. I can't change that. And I am still finding it easy to explain the concept to educated people. You assume too much.
Scoot,
So all your friends are like minded liberals and you find it easier to explain liberal dogma to them than conservatives who are not your friends.
Hmmm.... I can see why you'd come to that conclusion.
;-)
So all your friends are like minded liberals and you find it easier to explain liberal dogma to them than conservatives who are not your friends.
All my friends are Liberals? Interesting, I said nothing of the sort. Yes, I find it easier to explain the lack of logic regarding Clinton vs Libby to educated friends (and as an aside, most of my educated friends happen to be Liberal... something that seems to have offended you enough to start your wild assumptions). Are you tapping my phone, AA? Hoe do you read so much into so little?
Interesting how your logic jumps from my original "most of my liberal friends" to your assumption that "all my friends are liberal" to "I have nothing but liberal friends". My statements still stand. Education may or may not be formal -- education may come from reading good sources. Heck, watching TDS would suffice with BushCo in office.
BTW, as far as I can tell, Clinton did not out or help to out a covert agent. I fail to see any connection whatsoever. You may as well point out that OJ went free as justification that Libby deserves a completely free pass (and no, Libby will not have to pay a fine since friends raised more tan enough money for him.)
scoot,
You got me. I took a shorthand reply and it came across as changing the assumptions. My apologies.
Nice chatting.
If you have the initiative to earn a college degree or three, why should you be ashamed of it? You had to work very hard to improve your mind, just as your Republican counterparts had to work hard in order to become scions of wealthy families. See? Deep inside, we're not all that different.
Far easier to attack "pointy headed intellectuals" who easily knock down the specious arguments you are trying to make than explain why you find it necessary to lie to justify your ideology.
Uneasy, its really just the conservative version of the populists argument. Chastise educated people who worked hard and paid A LOT of money for their degrees, read: EARNED their degrees by calling them elitists and liberals and whatever else they chose to spew. Its nothing more than envy, class warfare in the forum of education.
These so called 'liberals' make assumption after assumption that they automatically take as gospel when crafting their analogies and apologies defending the immoral behavior of Bill Clinton.
Bill did not lie about 'making a bed', he lied about using his office to have cheap and tawdry sex with an intern.
AA, not to make an excuse or apology for Clinton, there is none. I have no respect for any man or woman who cheats. If you’re not happy, leave, it shows much more respect for your spouse than cheating. I also have no respect for any woman who would cheat with a married man. You call Bill on the carpet for cheating but you say nothing of Monica. Bill did not cheat alone. Monica was a 21 year old adult, legally able to drink and vote for the very man she cheated with. Please don’t tell me she was young and he took advantage of her. He was her second affair with a married man.
Takes two to tangle, even in a tawdry affair.
Austin- "I bet this propaganda website will fail to mention that Boortz did come back and correct what he said."
When was it corrected? The comparison of Libby to Clinton is no comparison at all. Bill Clinton was not prosecuted for lying about having consensual sex in the White House.
No jury trail.
No impeachment.
It was ludicrous the amount of tax payer dollars that went into this bogus prosecution.
Scooter Libby was found guilty of perjury in a criminal trial by a jury. He was covering up the outing of a CIA agent working on protecting America from weapons of mass destruction.
His boss the Prez assured Americans that anyone convicted of any crimes in his White House would be fully prosecuted.
Just another day of propaganda.. brought to you by the current Administration.
If you don't like reading the lies here, then why do you waste your time here? If you have something contrary to the information, then provide it. You may have noticed ( but maybe not..) Media Matters always provides their source and link. And unlike Bootz they don't make stuff up. This came out of his mouth. It may be jsut plain ignorant or calcualted ignorance. I beleive it's probably the later.
Where's the correction Boortz made? Provide the link.
Monster.
A small point. Bill Clinton was impeached. However we all know he wasn't removed from office.
No Clinton was NOT impeached- and it's not a small point. Check your facts. The Senate voted NOT to impeach.
Libby is a convicted felon. Check the facts on that one too.
Incorretamundo bub.
Clinton was impeached...he was not convicted.
Wesley- there were impeachment hearings, Clinton was NOT impeached.
His approval ratings at the time of the impeachment hearings were 70%.
This was the most partisan abuse of taxpayer dollars.
Should he have lied about sex with Monica. Not when being questioned for a grand jury. This was personal though, and it's crap.
My name is not bub, and check your history.
If Clinton was impeached, he's have been booted from office.
Still incorrectamundo, sport.
Clinton was impeached by the House...tried in the senate...and the senate voted not to convict.
Sorry, Monster, but yours is a common misunderstanding. Impeachment is more appropriately compared to indictment, not conviction. Clinton was most definitely impeached. He was, however, acquitted.
Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives. He was not convicted (i.e., acquitted) by the Senate.
CALLER: I don't remember Bill Clinton actually being convicted for perjury.
BOORTZ: I'm sorry, he was.
CALLER: He was exonerated by a Republican Senate if I remember correctly.
BOORTZ: No sir, that's an impeachment. We're talking about a criminal trial, sir. The verdict was guilty. He was disbarred as a result of that verdict. He had his privileges to practice law before the Supreme Court of the United States revoked because of that verdict.
Yeah, I'm just not seeing that retraction here. You may have to point it out...
The "retraction" is a post here by Boortz. Scroll down a bit to see his "sort of" correction and his new errors that I've mentioned in a post below.
Clinton admitted to “misleading testimony”, paid a fine, accepted other punishment, in exchange for not being charged with perjury. By the way, the U.S. Supreme Court later took away Clinton’s privileges as a result of his admission.
THIS is what Boortz said in his 'correction', but this is not correct. Clinton would never have been convicted of perjury, because perjury is lying under oath about a material matter.
Scooter Libby lied under oath about a material matter.
They're not the same, and it really chaps my hide when people try to assert that they are the same.
Wow, someone gets the "worst person award" because they misspoke.
It's hardly just misspeaking - as if he didn't mean what he said - when you're challenged, but deny being wrong.
Boortz did come back and correct what he said.
Yes, he admitted to getting "this one wrong ---- well, sort of..." Nice hedging. Rather funny though that Boortz sets out to correct one error and makes two more.
First, as a matter of law, there was no "plea bargain." The agreement was a civil arrangement, not a criminal one. Of course, I'm not surprised that Boortz doesn't understand the difference; perhaps he just miswrote.
More rediculous though is this statement by Boortz... "It is certainly true that Clinton lied under oath to a grand jury." Clinton never plead guilty to perjury nor ever admitted to lying. He admitted to making false statement, but did not admit to doing so intentionally. You, Boortz and Barney may be of the opinion that Clinton lied (an opinion I won't challenge), but that does not make it a fact.
The bottom line is this, Scooter will serve as much time in prison for lying to a grand jury, as Bill Clinton did!
One more time...Scooter was convicted of perjury, Clinton was not.
And to add further irony to the whole Boortz "misspeaking" issue is the fact that before he was a regressive talk show host on the right-wing noise machine, he was a lawyer. So he certainly knows the difference between being impeached in Congress and being convicted in a criminal court.
Thanks for the info. That makes me reconsider my near pass on his "plea bargain" error.
Boortz "misspoke"
Now thats a load of crock!!!
His boss the Prez assured Americans that anyone convicted of any crimes in his White House would be fully prosecuted. The Prez said anyone who was found to behind the leak would be fired! Karl Rove, that means you, as well as Armitage. So where are they-at work in the WH. Any bets on when Scooter will be back? So much for retoring integerity to the WH.
Geraldine,
A small point. Armitage resigned when Powell resigned. Armitage worked at the State Dept. I do not believe he ever worked at the White House. Please correct me if I am wrong.
AA hi, the state dept is part of the executive branch. Remember Colin Powell and Condeleeza Rice? They are our former and current Secrataries of State. Who appointed them? W It's difficult to take you seriously when you don't even take the time to comprehend our system of government. If you really love this country you should educate yourself. It's important that you do!!! Don't consider me a second class citizen because I chose to obtain a college education! I feel that you are open-minded and would totally enjoy it!
You bring up a good point for budding conspiracy theorists with your literalism. How did Bush know the leaker was probably in the WH?
Secondly, I think most people understood Bush to mean his administration and not the literal confines of the four walls of the Whitehouse itself.
What Jeter doesn't know is that MMFA almost every day posts an article about Olbermann's "worst person" award, and most of the time this award coincides with a MMFA article posted before the award.
Here is an example, and there are many, many more, as you can see in the archives:
So stop saying that today must have been a weak day when it comes to right-wing misinformation, because this is routine.
Truthseeker,
I'm well aware of MMFA's habit of posting Keith's Worst Persons Awards. My post was meant to be taken as sarcasm.
Brock is giving Keith a pat on the head. Why? Not too hard to figure out.
And then the subsequent round of "why is this here?" posted by you, Tommy, Wesley, et. al. is just patting a dead horse on the head.
I'm glad to see you are agreeing that many of these threads are 'dead horses'. ;-)
Hey Deputy Fife, Happy Friday !
I believe the dead horse is the dismissing of the thread, not the thread itself.
And did I miss it, or has this entire thread gone without one zombie chanting "there was no underlying crime!"?
Did that one wear out already?
Gomer,
Are you switching dead horses in the middle of the stream by bringing up no underlying crime yourself?
;-)
Only if you insist on leading your dead horse to water under the bridge in midstream and trying to force him to drink.
And then the subsequent round of "why is this here?" posted by you, Tommy, Wesley, et. al. is just patting a dead horse on the head.
We just like to point out the obvious. Patting a dead horse is one way to do that.
Hey Jeter, as I mentioned to Barney, the dead horse is your own creation.
But I'll be nice to you, as your Pinstriped Pansies are probably at this very minute praying in their dugout in anticipation of the imminent sweep.
Have a nice weekend anyway. ;0)
I disagree Beach.
This topic was covered in a thread yesterday. To revive it because Keithy, MMFA's favorite tool, gives it one of his lame awards is basically beating a dead horse. So we are just patting it with a bit of gentle humor ;-)
Your Yankee envy is once again noted. >:-I
But get your shots in now...
I have a feeling you'll be eating them words ;-)
BTW I'm one of those eternal optimists.
Being an Angels fan, I can usually be optimistic until the September nose-dive.
BTW, Jeter, do you know what the difference is between the hot dogs at Yankee Stadium and the ones at Anaheim Stadium?
The ones at Anahiem dont play positions on the FIELD?
No, Solon, although the Yankees are weiners, and that's a good answer too, the real answer is a jab at my hapless halos;
A. You can usually buy the hot dogs at Yankee Stadium in October.
Works for any teams, keep it handy, Sports fans!
although the Yankees are weiners
Hey watch it! I resemble that remark [a little 3 Stooges humor for the uninformed]
Good joke Beach, and I even liked Solon's punchline ;-)
Well after a glorious Friday night...then came Saturday :-/
We shall not speak of Sunday. :0(
Don't worry Beach my lips are sealed :-x
But my fingers typed 12-0
hehehe ;-)
Another American'
How much is Boortz paying you to cover his backside? That's a pretty heavy load to bear by yourself! Come on you can tell me,just write a number in your next rant, no one will notice it,I'll be able to tell by the size of it ,if he is paying you enough or if he's using you.
AnotherAmerican,
Are you Boortz's designated "Water-Carrier" today. If you are,you're leaking water all over the place,the buckets slap-filled with holes!
Hey Jack and Jill... Not at all. Not at all.
In the original thread I gave kudos to MMFA for nailing Boortz. If you'd follow closely you'd see my comments today were not about Boortz's statment at all.
But that takes a little discernment. You should try it.
AA,
I'd have called them Frick & Frack ;-)
Let them drink cake. Dam the whole stumbling middle class. They don't have have any brains and so I don't have to have any either!
For a change, a quote from Roller Maidens From Outer Space.
AA You are right Artmitage did work at State, not the WH but State is part of the executive branch.
It is interesting that Republicans in general and their right-wing apologists in particular have gotten so far out on their particular limb that it is necessary to spread lies and disinformation to in any way justify their (completely indefensable) positions.
In the 50s and 60s, I disagreed with the conservatives just as vehemently, but (maybe because there was some semblance of balance in the Media) they mostly felt constrained to base their arguments on verifiable fact. These days, they know that the most outrageous of lies will remain largely unchallenged in the MSM and the gloves are off.
is the state dept part of the executive branch? are you kidding me? who appointed Colin Powell and Condi Rice? It's hard to debate when you don't even care enough to comprehend our system of government
Boortz is a pathetic liar.
Listen, read and watch my YouTube videos about his lies regarding the Virginia Tech murders.
http://nukular-waste.tripod.com/Boortz/Boortz.htm
O.L.