Savage on immigrant students' hunger strike: "[L]et them fast until they starve to death. ... Go make a bomb where you came from"
On the July 5 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show Michael Savage discussed a recent hunger strike organized by five students in the San Francisco area to show their support for The DREAM Act, a provision of the 2007 Comprehensive Immigration bill (S.1639). The DREAM (or Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors) Act would provide a pathway to citizenship and other benefits for certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before the age of 16 if they graduate from high school and enroll in either college or the military. In discussing the students, Savage stated: "I would say, let them fast until they starve to death then that solves the problem. Because then we won't have a problem about giving them green cards because they're illegal aliens, they don't belong here to begin with."
Savage went on to play a news report on the hunger strike, which said that engineering students are waiting for the DREAM Act to be passed so that they can enter the workforce. Following the clip, Savage responded: "We don't need you as engineers, go back to where you came from. ... Go be an engineer there. You stole the education from us; now give it back to your home country. Go make a bomb where you came from."
From the July 5 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Then there's the story of college students who are fasting out here in the Bay Area. They're illegal aliens and they want green cards simply because they're students. I don't understand what -- how this two and two adds up. I would say, let them fast until they starve to death, then that solves the problem. Because then we won't have a problem about giving them green cards because they're illegal aliens; they don't belong here to begin with. They broke into the country; they're criminals. Why do I owe them a green card? Because they're going to my colleges for free? This makes no sense at all. Listen to clip 11:
[begin audio clip]
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Nalleli and four other students want Congress to pass an immigration reform bill that includes the DREAM Act, a clause that would give undocumented college graduates the opportunity to become legal. They are fasting for four days to show solidarity.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: We have engineers who are still waiters. And they are just waiting for the DREAM Act to be enacted so they can become engineers. We have pre-med students who [unintelligible] --
SAVAGE [over clip]: We don't need you as engineers. Go back to where you came from. Go back to where you came from and be an engineer. That's all. Go give your talents to your home country. Go be an engineer there. You stole the education from us; now give it back to your home country. Go make a bomb where you came from. This is unbelievable.
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What a lovely man! We're all... we're all very proud of him.
It sounds to me as if he is calling for a fatwah. Savage calls for Jihad!
Meh, down with Savage and his 'keep the American Dream locked in a box' cohorts on the right and left.
How has US foreign policy placed, or kept, in power oppressive governments which people are forced to flee?'
What role have international trade agreements had in creating or exacerbating people's urge to flee their homelands? If capital is going to freely cross borders, should people and labor be able to do so as well, going where globalization takes the jobs?
That's an interesting point.
Thank you.
I'll be called naive, simple, ignorant etc.. from the left and right for having empathy for fellow humans, but that's OK.
It's how we will tend to think if we can get past the emotional barriers of viewing human beings as illegal.
Yes, we need to have a handle on our borders, but to place sole responsibility on people fleeing oppression and economic tyranny is to oversimplify. To call a person 'criminal' for trying to leave desperation behind them is to ignore our own responsibility for the situation and constrains our ability to find ways to amelliorate the root causes of mass migration.
so since we do need a "handle on our borders", then you are saying we can limit the number of people who want to come here. you just disagree on the number.
There's any number of reasons to have a handle on our borders other than limiting immigration numbers. I think your making a hasty assumption.
he and i have had this discussion before. i am going back to his original post where he was talking about anyone freely crossing borders, following jobs anywhere they are. our present immigration policies are causing our population numbers to soar. last october we passed 300 million, today 302,276,000. we will add over 3 million population this year and we are looking at, conservatively, over 425 million by 2050. if you say anyone can freely cross our borders to obtain work, you are looking at billions of people around the world who would see coming here as a vast improvement in their life. gee, do i live on the streets of calcutta, or do i go to america? and it is hardly our policies that are causing all world wide poverty. india is a democracy we support, but their economy is unable to handle a population of a billion people. it's true that our agricultural policies have affected some, but we have also allowed a large amount of our manufacturing and other jobs to go to other countries.
"it's true that our agricultural policies have affected some, but we have also allowed a large amount of our manufacturing and other jobs to go to other countries."
Respectfully, a 50 cents a day manufacturing job in Mexico is not a livable trade-off for the displaced subsistence farmer.
Our economic policies of subsidized agrigiants and installation of puppet regimes in South America has had a huge impact on emmigration. We need to accept this fundamental responsibility if we are to work effectively to stem the tide of immigration.
first of all, i doubt there are many manufacturing jobs in mexico that pay 50 cents a day. second, i have said before it is up to the people of mexico to change the system if they feel nafta is unfair. any of the three countries can opt out of it. and there are plenty of immigrants from venezuela and brazil. chavez is hardly a puppet of the u.s. government. nor is india as i pointed out. we are not responsible for or the cause of every ill in the world.
Except that is why NAFTA was written as an investors bill of rights instead of an actual program to help workers in each country that way the people who are in a position to change NAFTA and leave it are also the very few that benifit from it. You correctly point out that if Mexico would change its system from the plutocracy that has ruled it for generations good changes could come, Mexico has good natural resources. Of course that could be said about virtually any country
i address that later on in this thread. if the people of mexico are unhappy with nafta, then they can vote to change the government. as we can. i'm really not in favor of any more "free trade" agreements.
I'm not either.. but NAFTA was presented (by the MSM) as 'the best thing since slaver- err.. I mean, sliced bread' and the 'voting' public was just as bamboozeled as the Mexicans may be when they 'try to vote it out'...
then that's their choice.
Capital mobility and people mobility: it's all good. Now, if the people come illegally, catch them, send them back, and tell them to get in line like good, honest, immigrants of the past. Savage has been right about this for years. Then again, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out; but with the current crop of politicians running things in the good old USofA, apparently it does: and his name is S-A-V-A-G-E.
so no limits on anyone who wants to come here?
You are mistaking insanity for genius. The Weinerdog is insane. Thats ok it seems to be a common rightwing misconception.
How did these students *steal* the education...? Did the 2-year old who followed mom and dad into the promised land DECIDE to COVERTLY and IILEGALLY 'steal' engineering education..? Or, did they go to school like everyone else, and study, and get good grades- unlike many naturally born kids in the U.S....? Savage- you are unbelievable- and a shrill, hate-mongering, racist, homophobic, idiot... and definitely NOT a *man*...
They are still illegal aliens and giving them aid over our own citizens is a legitimate issue.
It does seem tacky to be protesting that you aren't getting aid when you aren't even a citizen.
First thing to rid ourselves of these illegals..Let's send a plane or many planes to Iraq and immediately pull all of the illegals wearing American uniforms off the battlefield and fly them back to their country of origin. And then, call-up those true Americans who sit home and bitch but do nothing. They'll be the first to defend our country.
Then, get all of the illegals(non Iraqs) working for Halliburton in Iraq for peanuts and send them b@stards home also. I am sure that our TRUE Americans will go to Iraq to work for Halliburton at low wages because these are jobs REAL Americans want.
What does Iraq have to do with Illegal Immigration?
LeatherHelmet,
If you did not read Mr. L's earlier post, these students probably were following their parents at a young age when they got into this country illegally. They have established lives here, and want to be treated fairly and have equal opportunity.
Hunger strikes are so passé.
What's next? Will they all hold their breath till they turn blue?
IF you are illegal--no matter if you walked in yourself or followed your illegal parents...go home. Get educated there. Then apply for LEGAL citizenship.
Simple.
NO- it's not that 'simple'.... there are so many reasons why people come into America, so let's not write a book here, but, to say, 'just go back "home" (what is your definition of that?) to get an education is, well..., not realistic. If you can get it where you live, do it- if the NATIVE AMERICANS adopted YOUR line of reasoning and callousness, where would you be now? And would you like it? And would it be fair? Or just? And would you deserve it because your parents were not from this land? ETC!!
Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors) Act would provide a pathway to citizenship and other benefits for certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before the age of 16 if they graduate from high school and enroll in either college or the military.
Leather, how are we giving them aid over our "own" people? It says "certain illegal immigrants" and "if they graduate from high school and enroll in either college or military".
That sounds like a win win situation. They will contribute to this country by serving in the military or attending college. We know that a college education usually provides a better income and less need for governmental assistance.
Taxpayers paid for their health care, taxpayers paid for their education...yeah.. you might as well have the taxpayers pay for their college education, too (I wonder if illegal immagrants pay income tax or if just us legals do). After all, when the dem's take control of political power, the taxes will be so high that the taxpayers will be able to afford paying for the education and health care of 20,000,000 illegal immagrants.
Bunk. Reagan was the first Republican to pervert Jefferson's vision of free/affordable education for all by imposing a tuition for students at state Universities in California.
Dead-on, Roundhouse, I graduated from high school in 1980, so I got the first volley of "Morning in America".
Fortunately, I saw the long term plan for the dumbing down of America towards GOP control, and did as much as I could to pursue a DYI education.
If taxes get too high, you can stop paying Income tax. It's already been ruled unconstitutional.
The question becomes how much "free" aid takes away from "free" aid for U.S. citizens from poor families and how much this "free" aid is costing taxpayers. It is not a win/win situation. It takes money from somewhere and takes money from someone else who could use and is already a citizen. I think legislation like the Dream Act is pointless, wasteful and even harmful without a comprehensive strategy to solve the entire problem.
But Leather, we are spending millions and millions of dollars now and get little or nothing in return.
Do you honestly think that Corporate America will allow 12 to 20 million people who provide cheat labor to leave? They are here and screaming will not make them go away. I understand the need to “punish” someone for illegally crossing into this country but we have to remove emotions and look at this problem logically.
1. They are here and not going back.
2. Our military due to Juniors unnecessary war is in need of soldiers.
3. What better way to reduce to drain on government programs than decreasing the need for government assistance through a good education.
Yes we need to secure our borders but we need to not create another group of lower income/cheap labors.
But Leather, we are spending millions and millions of dollars now and get little or nothing in return. I guess you are talking about Iraq? How does that make Illegal Immigration ok?
Do you honestly think that Corporate America will allow 12 to 20 million people who provide cheat labor to leave? They are here and screaming will not make them go away. I understand the need to “punish” someone for illegally crossing into this country but we have to remove emotions and look at this problem logically.Logically meaning what?
1. They are here and not going back. ICE has deported over 200,000 illegals. Many times more then the last few years.
2. Our military due to Juniors unnecessary war is in need of soldiers. I would grant Amnesty for a illegal that joins the Millitary.
3. What better way to reduce to drain on government programs than decreasing the need for government assistance through a good education.How does Illegal Immigration help out Education?
Yes we need to secure our borders but we need to not create another group of lower income/cheap labors. We have 12-20 million lower income peeps here.
No, I was speaking about the cost of health care and other services. Small towns who’s population has increased but the tax income has not. Where you got Iraq from, I don’t know.
Who benefits from cheap labor? Corporate America
Wow, there are an estimated 12 to 20 million and ICE and deported 200,000.
A good education provides a better job which allows your family a better life. If you have a better job you won’t need government services therefore saving your tax dollars.
Logically means leaving the racists and very stupid rants out of the conversation.
Green card equals aid how? Sounds like they want to go to work, you should be good with that.
Be nice if Mikey could go somewhere where they don't have engineers. Maybe thats been his unspoken problem all these years. Fear of engineers. This could be your major chance to make medical history, don't blow it. Think how you could play the pity card with this. Movie rights, the book of course. It could trade those 8 million idiots for 16 million idiots. 16 million of anything visible is big time, no matter how you divide.
Mike is right, and MMFA's headline a joke. ""Savage on ILLEGAL immigrant students' hunger strike:""
^^^^^^ there, that is better. MMFA is stooping to the level of CBS, NBC ect.
The next time the Wienerdog is right will be the first time. He needs to increase his medication
Mike was right about too many things to mention, but here are a few.
<> 1. Harriet Miers unqualified, and the wrong choice
2. Nifong wrongfully charging 3 innocent men
3.Illegal immigration i.e it's illegal
4. he called Bush to beat Kerry 52-48 (pretty close when you factor in the Nader vote)
5.The Kobe Bryant incident (phony rape case brought against him)
6.England is run by sissies
7.Al Gore is a climate change/global warming idiot
8.Hillary Clinton is a communist (look it up)
9.Fred Thompson is a glue horse
10.Bush is the worst president in the history of America ( even worse than Carter if that's possible)
.......
>>"Harriet Miers unqualified"<<
Wow-really took a brave, out-on-a-limb stance there.
OK, I stand corrected while obviously insane, he is sometimes correct on obvious issues. The fact YOU think seven and eight make sense at ALL much less are true makes me wonder if the Weinerdogs insanity is contagious for those who actually take him seriously or if he just appeals to the insane in out midst
I think MMFA would rather be on the levels of CBS and NBC than on the "Fair & Balanced" Fixed News, so, thanks for the compliment!
Pretty sad.
What FOX propaganda network? Yeah I agree they are VERY sad.
Mikies a pretty serious hate monger. If thats how you define right. I'm sure you have other deffinitions that would stun and amaze.
I don't have the little teepees on my keyboard, what do they mean. The site does have a few columnists (3) I don't see them stooping to the level of CBS,NBC (etc right, if not, whats ect?) very thoughtfull folks on the whole. I'd like to see those folks you use as example do a little media oversite, other than Oberman who else in your set of examples does this.
Haven't seen any of Mikies fans for a while. Great things are expected of you. Don't let your side down.
Right Weiner Dog,
Keep out all them dangerous furrenners. That's why Bill Gates just built his latest facility in Vancouver. US refused to issue additional H-1B visas to foreign engineers.
So rather than encourage immigration of more college-educated professionals to come here (and potentially stay), we'll export all the jobs that go with a new facility.
Ye' reap what ye' sow.
Gio make a bomb where you came from...
wow. until now, I never thought that most aliens coming here to get an education just wanted to build bombs! I'm just surprised you had to have a college education to know how to put that white fuse into the long cylinder and light it and throw it. Savage, you are amazing! Thanks for pointing that out!
You people who don't listen to Savage.
Everyday it is the same thing, he talks for 10 min. with substantive arguments and then hits what can almost be described as an "Incendiary Punchline."
Illegal Aliens have no business getting us to do anything for them. If they want to come here, fine, but don't expect anything.
You miss the point of this whole 'illegal' immagration thing... at least DREAM is doing SOMETHING constructive with SMART STUDIUOS people who WANT to work and HELP THEMSELVES and America, while IN America... NO-BO-DY else is doing ANYTHING except for yelling, scaring, pontificating, etc... 'Illegal', or not, these are PEOPLE who are trying to make the BEST out of life, regardless of arbitrary *laws* (that are routinely circumvented, ignored, and BROKEN by American businesses DAILY) put in place... I say keep all those who wish to stay, help them succeed and watch America, as a whole, reap the rewards... Someone above mentioned Gates moving plants to Canada, and the post was correct in that the U.S. limited visas to foreingers (for whatever reasons) and the spots COULDN'T be filled by Americans because they did not have the training and expertise neccassary to do the jobs... Gates squarely placed the blame on the U.S. education system (in terms of technology fields) which he said was 'beyond fixing in this generation- the system needs to be totally revamped from top to bottom (paraphrased)'...
they are not missing the point mrL they are ignoring it because it makes sense
I say keep all those who wish to stay, help them succeed and watch America, as a whole, reap the rewards...
Agreed! Keep all those rapist, child molesters, murderers, polluters, thieves ect. Every single one of them broke a law. Dont tell me, you think they are all, "Special Perople" dont ya?
We keep these people in jail. Are you suggesting we release them?
Do you start to make sense at some point, or ...?
Are you saying that every immigrant who comes here illegally is also guilty of one of these other crimes? Or that we should stop shipping criminals out to other countries (which I wasn't aware we did on any kind of regular or realistic basis)? And what do you mean by "special people?"
>>>"Everyday it is the same thing, [Savage] talks for 10 min. with substantive arguments"<<<
10 whole minutes of substance? That's more than we give him credit for.
But followed by a "punchline".
Gee, what's usually ended with a punchline? Substance? No, a joke.One that Weiner's fans aren't even in on.
I think 10 minutes is being pretty generous. Most of Wiener's rants aren't "substantive" unless you consider ad hominem attacks, name-calling and too many logical fallacies to list as "substantive".
You would have to be a fool to believe nearly anything that comes out of that man's mouth at face value.
The right-wing is full of expert propagandists. The next time you see a right-winger talking about illegal immigrants, they will often refer to them simpy as "illegals". An "illegal" is not "legal"; it is in fact a deviation from what is "right". It is easy to do away with what is "wrong". You are no longer "human", you are an action (i.e., "illegal"). It is easy to do away with what is "wrong". We need to "clean up" America!
Take away the humanity from the issue and you take away humans. And that's their goal. Just don't think that an "illegal" is also a "person", otherwise you ruin the plan.
Personally, as someone that is currently employed in a low-wage field that is mostly manual labor I find the thought of millions of people suddenly vying for that same job to be quite scary. In fact, my employer announced they were supporting the illegal immigrants' in their fight for amnesty. Unsurprisingly, they also recently lowered journeymen wages for new hires.
I'm a little torn on the issue. My own well being is pretty high on my list of things that are important to me.I too work an easily redesignated, low wage job and I share your concerns.
But consider that in the 1950's unionized labor comprised something like 36% of the workforce. Today union membership is down to about 16%. Unions boost wages for all, it's no coincidence that real wages have been stagnating in the absence of a strong labor movement.
Republicans will blame immigrants who are willing to work for less money for the depression of real wages. Republicans will blame the individul for lack of self-discipline if one is not wealthy.
What Republicans wil not question is the right of employers to exploit labor, to treat labor as a resource, not an asset. I agree with John Edwards, we must return to honoring labor in this country, not wealth.
and immigration in the 50s was a fraction of what it was today. hard to raise wages when there is an ever expanding pool of labor. i'm off to work.
And if there were an ever expanding pool of unionized jobs it would be pretty darn hard to depress wages.
again i am talking about the reality. labor can only have a bargaining position if there is not an neverending supply of cheap labor. that's how the meatpackers in the midwest broke the unions, with illegals.
Reality?
Don't blame immigrants for the unethical practices of the ruling elites. And no, the Mexican people cannot just withdraw from NAFTA. Their government can, their big business community can, but the people, without bloody revolution, cannot just nullify NAFTA. That's reality.
[link to www.ratical.org]
Since NAFTA took effect on January 1, 1994, exports to Mexico have grown by 147 percent and exports to Canada have grown by 66 percent. But imports from Mexico have grown much faster, by 248 percent; and imports from Canada have grown by 79 percent.
As a result, the net export deficit between the U.S. and its neighbors has grown from $16.6 billion in 1993 to $62.8 billion in 2000 in real terms.
This growing trade deficit has led to the loss of 766,030 jobs in the United States since NAFTA’s implementation. These job losses are spread across all 50 states and the District of Columbia, with the biggest losses – where more than 20,000 job opportunities were eliminated per state – in California, Michigan, New York, Texas, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia.
By reducing the prices of import-competing products, the growing U.S. trade deficit, and the new rules of the NAFTA agreement, have put downward pressure on the wages of non-college-educated workers in this country, who account for 72.7 percent of the workforce.
This has happened for at least three reasons. First, displaced manufacturing workers have sought jobs in the service sector, where the average wage is 77 percent of the average manufacturing wage. Second, this movement from manufacturing to the service sector has increased the labor supply there, further depressing wages. And finally, employers have used their new freedom to move across borders as a tool in collective bargaining, by threatening to close plants.
Everyone says, dont pick on the little guys. Well, you gotta start somewhere. Yes, I now that the employers are to blame for hirring the illegals. But as well, the illegals crossed our borders. WTF happened to accepting responsability for ones actions?
Do you think illegals would come here if no one hired them?
roundhouse, you insist that only the government of mexico can withdraw from nafta. that's sort of obvious. the people vote for the government they want. and if you're trying to convince me that nafta is not a good deal for the people of the united states, i was not arguing that. in fact i noted that some of our jobs have been shipped out. and mexicans were crossing the border by the millions long before nafta.
I'll concede that Mexicao does have a democratic government, however tenuous it may be, but they do not have a free press and allegations of massive fraud were rampant in the last election. Violence and graft are commonplace. President Fox worked to emprison Obrador before the 06 election, meanwhile Calderon and business interests conspired to defeat the populist Obrador in the 06 election.
The party of NAFTA won, maybe in a fair manner. Maybe not. The point is that, at this moment in hitory in Mexico, the power of the people may not be all that institutional.
As to the information related to NAFTA in the link that was more in response to the assertion that immigrants drive down wages. That idea doesn't add up given the outsourcing threats management leverages in collective bargaining.
Yes, before NAFTA immigration was prominent but has spiked since NAFTA took effect. Blaming people who flee economic hardship and advocating sealed borders are only short term solutions.
[link to www.alternet.org]
"Europeans realized that the flow of migrants increases when the income gap between countries widens. As it moved toward a common market, the European Union invested hundred of billions of dollars in its poorer countries to improve their economies, reduce intra-European tensions between farmers and workers, and decrease internal migration. This massive investment enabled the EU's four poorest members -- Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain -- to boost their per capita GDP from 65 percent of the overall EU average in l986 to 78 percent in l999 and even higher today."
What's wrong with stemming the tide of immigration by taking steps that creates economic justice and equality?
obrador does not even want full withdrawal from nafta. and as for your claiming that immigration doesn't drive down wages, it's right there in the link you gave and typed out. increasing the labor supply drives down wages.
your link at 946 saturday to be clear.
You are absolutly right. In fact progressive political movements in general are hard pressed to make any gains without a strong labor presence which is probably why the US has had by far the most violent labor history of any industrial nation. I am lucky, they cant move those rails to indonesia so I am pretty safe. When there is another progressive swing politically in this country the labor issues must be addressed. This will be a hard sell to politicians that have to whore for their money from corporations. That is why we ought to have publicly financed elections. Make the media that uses OUR resource to make their money give free airtime to qualified candidates in equal measures and give all candidates the same amount of money. When they have to get their money FROM the public they will SERVE the public as long as they have to get the bulk of their money from the wealthy and corporations THAT is who they will serve
Dream Act???Some of us once had dreams of our own. One of mine was to have three children.The Unacknowledged HolocaustBack in the 60’s the Federal Government came into the public schools and brainwashed us as little children with the message that the children we were about to have were unwanted because the population was rising so fast. They launched a program called, “Zero Population Growth”. They pushed Family Planning and birth control pills. I think you and I now both know that you only have to trick people for their few child bearing years and there is no going back.Many of us never had a say in the future of our unborn.I am the result of two living cells. One from each of my parents. They are the result of two living cells, one from each of their parents. I wasn't just born. I am a continuation of life. I am a living thing that reaches back into time perhaps 400 million years and the result of billions of joining of pairs of cells. It is possible that if you were to follow my cells back to my parent’s cells and beyond that my family tree touches every living thing here on earth. That is if we limit ourselves to believing life was created here on earth. If it rained down from the immensity of the universe it could reach back into that immensity of time and space, and who knows what relationships and who knows what species.At least until I came up against the Federal Government and their plan to control the population.I have seen the Federal Government do little else to control the population.The open border, United States laws only apply to some, is a serious slap in the face. No, not a slap in the face, it reaches well beyond that. Maybe back to the beginning of time and stretch to the bounds of the universe.
Way to go Savage! Why should illegal immigrants be granted in-state tuition when legal residents from other states are not? I'd set up a barbecue pit right next to them, then call ICE.
if you want to get to the source and cause of the illegal immigration you must look at the economies and stances of the countries that most illegals come from. the home countries brazenly encourage immigration, quite illogical since they are letting go of SUCH a SKILLED work force (that's sarcasm) as the illegals supposedly are according the very politically correct libs(another discussion altogether). If these illegals are so bloody skilled then let them go to their home countries and improve the economy there with the education they recieved from the US (i speak of the fasting students) i'm sure their architectural skills could get them a degree in their own country. there, i posted an alternate view, i was getting tired of how much dull liberal propaganda is posted on this site. most of the right wing posts, i noticed, are dismissed by the others instead of bieng confronted.
Personally, I just don't see why we owe legal status to people who broke the law to come here simply because they go to one of our schools.
Savage is a crazy man, but on this we are in agreeance. Let them take their degrees back home. I don't owe you citizenship, and neither does my country. Sorry.
I fully agree with Michael Savage. Although his choice of words may seem abrasive to some individuals he is operating well within the bounds of the first amendment as it pertains to free speech. His intended meaning with his unique choice of words is clear and correct. That is, under no circumstances should a person that entered this country ILLEGALLY or over stayed a legal visa, thereby changing their status to ILLEGAL, be allowed a pathway to citizenship. The general populace of this country is fed up with ILLEGAL immigrants. They have ruined the fabric of this country. The only entity that wants them here is big business, which unfortunately includes the printed media in this country. When will the printed media finally realize that we can't be brainwashed into doing what ever they want us to do. Those days are in the past.P.S. Tom Tancredo will be our next President of the United States of America.
I think Savage has a point.It is a very screwed up system where someone can break into our country,get us to pay for their college and demand that we give them greencards.
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"IF you are illegal--no matter if you walked in yourself or followed your illegal parents...go home. Get educated there. Then apply for LEGAL citizenship."
Does this include illegal grandparents and so-on? I am curious because I just trying to figure out where all the illegals, including ourselves -- unless you are Aborignal American, are headed. As if having a life in this country -- albeit illegally -- and not having a rememberd or any connection to your country of orgin should have no bearing on your life or how the law is crafted. This is not a one-size-fits-all issue and to treat it so is folly. And how is that 10 year old suppose to get back to their native land? Report their parents? What a wonderful system of government that would be. Would the children get a green card or citizenship for that?