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Olbermann named Fox's Gibson "Worst Person" for claiming Clinton "makes a deal with Al Qaeda"

August 29, 2007 1:43 pm ET

MSNBC's Keith Olbermann named Fox News host John Gibson the "winner" of his "Worst Person in the World" segment for claiming that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton made "a deal with Al Qaeda" to "go easier" on terrorists if elected president.

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During the August 28 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named Fox News' John Gibson the "winner" of his nightly "Worst Person in the World" segment for, as Media Matters for America documented, purporting to do "a little interpretation" of a comment Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) made at an August 23 campaign event about the potential consequences of another terrorist attack and claiming that Clinton made "a deal with Al Qaeda" to "go easier" on terrorists if elected president. Olbermann commented that Gibson "used his superior mind to conclude that she was speaking in code." He continued, quoting from Gibson's remarks: "[S]he was 'sending this signal,' as they say, to Al Qaeda, that it would not be smart to attack the United States of America before the election. Otherwise you're going to get another Bush militarist in there, and he's gonna bomb your cities, and kill your kids and your women. So lay off 'til I'm president, and I'll go easier. Hillary makes a deal with Al Qaeda. Did she go too far this time? I know it's a deniable quote, 'Well that isn't what I meant,' but we all get her drift."

As noted by Media Matters for America, Gibson claimed that Clinton said "that it would be a terrible thing if Al Qaeda were to attack again now, because that would benefit the Republicans." According to the Associated Press, Clinton actually said:

"It's a horrible prospect to ask yourself 'What if? What if?' But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world. ... So I think I'm the best of the Democrats to deal with that as well."

From the August 28 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

OLBERMANN: And your winner, from the same corner of the right-wing fringe, John Gibson, divining that when Hillary Clinton acknowledged that Republicans would probably try to exploit any possible terror act, or threat, or even rumor, and she'd be the best Democrat at both handling the threat and handling the Republican boasting.

Gibby has used his superior mind to conclude that she was speaking in code. Quoting him: "[S]he was 'sending this signal,' as they say, to Al Qaeda, that it would not be smart to attack the United States of America before the election. Otherwise you're going to get another Bush militarist in there, and he's gonna bomb your cities, and kill your kids and your women. So lay off 'til I'm president, and I'll go easier. Hillary makes a deal with Al Qaeda. Did she go too far this time? I know it's a deniable quote, 'Well that isn't what I meant,' but we all get her drift."

A deal. With Al Qaeda, John. Her drift, John. The only drift, John, is your continuing drift away from sanity. John Gibson of Fox Noise, today's Worst Person in the World.

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    • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 1:47 pm ET)
         

      Another day another plug for Olbermann. Yippe.

      We did discuss this Monday, no?

       

      http://mediamatters.org/items/200708270007?f=h_latest

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (August 29, 2007 3:41 pm ET)
           

        JLyons, if repeating the Olberman topic from Monday is redundant, is your linking to it threedundant?

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        • Author by jeter2 (August 29, 2007 3:52 pm ET)
             

          Paw, I don't think threedundant is a word. Maybe we should ask Miss Crump?

          Paw can I have a puppy? I wanna name him Olbermann.

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          • Author by therick (August 29, 2007 8:59 pm ET)
               

            For a while about 6 or 7 years ago, I noticed an over usage of the word: REDUNDANT.  People sometimes used the word twice in the same breath.  I thought this overusage should be know as: re-redundant.

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          • Author by wzwriter (August 30, 2007 4:14 pm ET)
               

            Pa, can I have a mentally-deficient slug? I wanna name him "Jeter"....

             :-)

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        • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
             

          If MMFA can do it , why am I not able to do it?

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (August 29, 2007 4:54 pm ET)
               

            Birds do it

            Bees do it 

            MMFA can do it

            JLyons can do it

            Let's do it

            Let's be redundant

            But let's not complain about others redundancy while being even more redundant, and then act persecuted and ask why you can't do it.

            And Opie, you can have a puppy if you promise not to hang yer walkie-talkie on his collar to trick Goober into thinking he has a talking dog.

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            • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 4:57 pm ET)
                 

              I am not sure what your point is, you are saying to be redundant is fine? 

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              • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (August 29, 2007 5:25 pm ET)
                   

                I think every American has the right to be redundant. I'm just curious why those who complain the most about redundancy insist on being redundant, and when it's pointed out, pretend that somebody is prohibiting them from being redundant.

                But I'm repeating myself.

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                • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 6:22 pm ET)
                     

                  If someone is complaining that would merit what you are saying, since I was not complaining but asking a question and starting a discussion I am not sure what your point is other than to start trouble?

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                  • Author by clams casino (August 29, 2007 9:03 pm ET)
                       

                    So you want to complain about redundancy and then start a conversation about your own redundancy? Both hypocritcal and narcissistic.

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                  • Author by therick (August 29, 2007 9:03 pm ET)
                       

                    Yeah.  I think HBL is trying to start trouble.  Knock it off HBL.  )

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 29, 2007 4:40 pm ET)
           

        J

        If you don't like discussing Olbermann, just go to another website.

        I hear there's a lot of them out there.  We're not all that interested in you whining.

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        • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
             

          Debunked, who is whining? The thread is about Olbermann and I love discussing him and his show. You need a drink to calm down.

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      • Author by Readeverything (August 30, 2007 1:39 am ET)
           

        I see that damn comment everyday.  (Another plug for KO)  Don't you understand that MM is a left leaning site.  Of course they are going to plug KO.  You might as well say 2+2=4 every damn day.  I just don't understand why you and your other righty-tighty buddies spend so much time on a web site you disagree with so much.  And by the way maybe you should change your name to Mr. Obvious.

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        • Author by oneleft (August 30, 2007 9:29 am ET)
             

          Good point. What are these people doing here? Go over to Accuracy in Media or any of hundreds of other sites.

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        • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 9:37 am ET)
             

          I just don't understand why you and your other righty-tighty buddies spend so much time on a web site you disagree with so much.

          Well I do agree with the site most of the time and im not a right-tighty, im a lefty -tighty. Geez, stop labeling people becuase I have a different view on one subject than you do.

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    • Author by Sueelldd (August 29, 2007 1:51 pm ET)
         

      I will tell you what I have done, I have contacted MSNBC below and have asked them to start reporting the news and not what another network does. This has nothing really to do with Olbermann show as much as Dan Abrams at 9pm. The constant FOX this FOX that , blah, blah, blah. I want the news , not what FOX is doing, and frankly anyone watching MSNBC most likely hates FOX and will not watch them. I wish these networks would grow up.

      viewerservices@msnbc.com

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      • Author by Preston (August 29, 2007 2:23 pm ET)
           

        In a sense, I can understand why they do attack Fox, because for the past say, I dunno, year or so, O'Reilly has been painting the network out to be a far-left outfit. From NBC Nightly News, Brain Williams, Today Show, David Gregory, to the entire lineup of the MSNBC staff, O'Reilly has made it his mission to make NBC/MSNBC out to be a network with a far-left agenda, due in part to his rivalry with Olbermann. So I can understand Abrams and co. not sitting back and allowing O'Reilly and others to just attack them without doing nothing in return to fire back. No matter what anyone says, O'Reilly has a lot of influence in the world of cable news, whether we like that cold, hard fact or not.

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        • Author by Sueelldd (August 29, 2007 3:22 pm ET)
             

          Who cares what OReilly thinks and says, he is a liar and a proven liar. Al Frankens book made that quite clear.  If he does have that much influence and power we are doomed very soon.

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      • Author by pete592 (August 29, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
           

        While you're at it, e-mail Fox News and give them a piece of your mind for constantly and falsely marketing themselves as "Fair And Balanced" and "Real Journalism".

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        • Author by DorisRussell (August 29, 2007 3:11 pm ET)
             

          I do not think FOX news cares what its viewers think, and I think MSNBC is falling into that category as well.  I gave up on FOX so long ago even before this horrible war when they were leading the charge and lying to the American people.

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        • Author by Sueelldd (August 29, 2007 3:22 pm ET)
             

          While you're at it, e-mail Fox News and give them a piece of your mind for constantly and falsely marketing themselves as "Fair And Balanced" and "Real Journalism".

          Oh Pete I have, I have so many times and the fact that FOX keeps lying makes it even more tougher.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 29, 2007 4:44 pm ET)
           

        Good job Sue...

        Now, what are you doing on this website?  This website is also not providing the "News" as you seem to define it.

        Then just go to another website.  I hear there's a lot of them out there.

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        • Author by Sueelldd (August 29, 2007 4:52 pm ET)
             

          Debunked

          Good job Sue... Thank you

          Now, what are you doing on this website?  I am not allowed to participate? Are you in charge? Sounds Bush Administration like where you are attempting to silence me?

           This website is also not providing the "News" as you seem to define it. Who said it was, the viewerservices email was provided by MMFA.

          Then just go to another website.  I hear there's a lot of them out there . Nah I like it hear and see no need to go to another site, but thank you very much. 

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      • Author by Readeverything (August 30, 2007 1:41 am ET)
           

        turn the channel. 

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    • Author by anyfreedomleft (August 29, 2007 1:59 pm ET)
         

      Well, the FCC did give Faux the nod for airing made-up news stories ... they won a court case ... the FCC said that their falsifications really didn't "break the rules" ...

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    • Author by hubble (August 29, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
         

      Here's an idea for those who seem to have a problem with MMFA posting KO related worst person in the world segments.Each and every one of these post has in the title Olberman names (insert right wing idiot here) Worst person in the world, so instead of reading it and getting all bent out of shape about what the owners of this website choose to put on it, just skip that post and move on to one that doesn't upset your delicate disposition.

      No one requires anyone to read or comment on any content on this or any other website, but it does tend to get a bit monotonous that it's the same whine, whine, whine every time KO gets mentioned.

      Would you like some cheese with that whine, might I suggest a nice Fribourgeois?

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      • Author by pete592 (August 29, 2007 2:50 pm ET)
           

        It's almost like a WITH Patrol Speak & Spell toy...

        Zzzzt!  "Why is this here?"

        Zzzzt!  "Redundancy altert!"

        Zzzzt!  "More publicity for Olbermann"

        Zzzzt!  "MMFA has its nose up MSNBC's backside"

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        • Author by pete592 (August 29, 2007 2:55 pm ET)
             

          DOH!  I meant See N' Say toy.

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        • Author by Readeverything (August 30, 2007 1:49 am ET)
             

          I wonder why a left leaning site would high light KO.....hmmmmm

          Um maybe because KO's views lean to the left.  IS this so hard to understand.  Are all of you that bitch non stop about KO that dumb. 

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      • Author by Chromium (August 29, 2007 3:00 pm ET)
           

        So, Hubble, follow through!

        Take Action!

        Contact information:

        MSNBC viewerservices@msnbc.com MSNBC TV One MSNBC Plaza Secaucus, N.J. 07094 MSNBC">[link to www.msnbc.msn.com] contacts

        When contacting the media, please be polite and professional. Express your specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary, and be sure to indicate exactly what you would like the media outlet to do differently in the future.

        Hubble:

        Tell MSNBC what they should do differently in the future! 

         

         

         

         

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        • Author by pete592 (August 29, 2007 3:28 pm ET)
             

          OK, you're obviously being facetious, but contacting MSNBC addresses Hubble's point how?

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          • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 29, 2007 4:55 pm ET)
               

            Good point Pete...

            Hubble made an excellent point.  I'm tired of all the whining about Olbermann.

            Media Matters likes Olbermann.  I love Olbermann.  If you're tired of Olbermann and can't figure out "why this is here," just shut your mouth, pack up your keyboard and go to another website.

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            • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 4:58 pm ET)
                 

              Media Matters likes Olbermann.  I love Olbermann.  If you're tired of Olbermann and can't figure out "why this is here," just shut your mouth, pack up your keyboard and go to another website

              So no one is allowed to question when Media Matters chooses a story? Nice I get it .

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              • Author by bkboase3653 (August 29, 2007 5:04 pm ET)
                   

                You do it ad nauseum in relation to KO...so, where do you get that you "aren't allowed"? You just like to see yourself whine.

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                • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 5:05 pm ET)
                     

                  I do? Can you provide proof that I do? 

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                • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 5:07 pm ET)
                     

                  And by the way, who is whining? Whining is when you cry and complain, I am far from doing that.  If you guys do not want to have a serious discussion fine, just do not respond. Your silly statements that other opinions , views and questions are not wanted is not what a Democratic society is about.

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                  • Author by clams casino (August 29, 2007 9:08 pm ET)
                       

                    What do want to have a "serious discussion" about exactly? This was your first post in this thread: "Another day another plug for Olbermann. Yippe."

                    Is that your idea of serious discussion? Or do you want to have a serious discussion about how your "not allowed" to redundantly complain about MMFA's redundancy?

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                    • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 9:43 pm ET)
                         

                      Clams

                      We have gone over this allready, you are a little too late to the forum. My advice to you is get a life and stop looking for trouble, your not going to get it from me.

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                    • Author by MsOtter (August 30, 2007 8:52 am ET)
                         

                      Clams, I fear the cause is a lost one.  But obviously, to claim that "yippee" was supposed to engender a thoughtful debate is disingenuous (sp?) at best - unless there's some obscure latin meaning of yippee of which I'm unaware :)

                       

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              • Author by Blue Dog (August 29, 2007 5:07 pm ET)
                   

                No. It's ok to question media matters. But it would be less of an irritation if you questioned THEM instead of us.

                WE don't know why or how MMFA makes its decisions. If you want to know, ask them.

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                • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 5:08 pm ET)
                     

                  But we as posters can debate and answer, again if you do not want to discuss in a respecful civil tone do not respond or participate in the discussion. No disrespect is ever intended, I am simply trying to understand and I wish someone would enlighten me. Instead I get sarcastic statements such as "go to another web site".

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                  • Author by Blue Dog (August 29, 2007 5:17 pm ET)
                       

                    Well, for my part, I think that the olberman articles on MMFA are sort of a replacement for second and third stories that a paper or magazine might run. For instance, instead of running "Gonzales resigns" one week, and then the next week running "Atty general gonzales' term rocky," like a newspaper might do, MMFA runs "SomebodyX did something," and to get followup attention to the same basic story, might run "Carlson denies somebodyX did something" and "Olberman attacks carlson for sombodyX denial"

                    At least that's the way I see it. It's just a way to reiterate the original news item with some additional insight into what others think about the original item.

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                  • Author by Blue Dog (August 29, 2007 5:25 pm ET)
                       

                    Also, I understand how irritating it must be to ask what you think is a reasonable question and get told "if you don't like it, change the channel."

                    First, we libs have been told that by the right for thirty years, so we might jump the gun a bit if we see an opportunity to let the cons know what that feels like.

                    Second, so many people open their part of the discussion with the "why is this here" mantra that some might not have any patience for it. I've felt that way myself. Sometimes when someone asks that question, all I hear is some kid asking me why the grass is green.

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                    • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 6:20 pm ET)
                         

                      Thanks

                      "We libs"?I consider myself a liberal also , just because I question the site does not make me a conservative or Bush lover.

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                      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 29, 2007 6:47 pm ET)
                           

                        JLyons...

                        Please accept my apology for my comment above.  It was too harsh.

                        But, I want to add this:  It does get quite irritating that a number of posters (trolls?) seem to be constantly using this "why is this here" rhetoric.

                         

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                  • Author by Jurgan (August 29, 2007 5:44 pm ET)
                       

                    Of course you have the right to post your comments.  I think the reason people get annoyed is because it's the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT every time.  An Olbermann piece gets posted, someone asks why it's here, others try to explain, someone complains that that's not the point of the site, and so on ad nauseum.  We get it- some people think Olbermann pieces are redundant, but we've heard it already.  We know how you feel.  No new information is added by these comments, so why do people keep making them?

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                    • Author by therick (August 29, 2007 9:15 pm ET)
                         

                      I live in Michigan.  I love it when any of my beloved Detroit Tigers hits a home run.  I never get tired of it.

                      I'm also a Liberal.  I love it when someone on my team hits a home run.  I never get tired of it.

                      Go Tigers!  Go Olberman!

                       

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          • Author by Chromium (August 29, 2007 7:57 pm ET)
               

            MMFA's goal, as listed on both their website and in the documents submitted to the IRS to qualify as tax-exempt, is all about what they term "conservative misinformation".   MMFA claims that they document conservative misinformation and give their readers various contact information so they can contact the offending organizations and tell them what they should do differently.

            As has been discussed at length, besides this "conservative misinformation" thing, MMFA also has this thing about highlighting Olbermann.  There has been much discussion about this on previous days.

            Now my point:  MMFA continues this charade that the Olbermann stories are about "conservative misinformation" by listing MSNBC contact info on the sidebar!  Logically, it is Fox News and John Gibson who should be contacted and told to change their ways, not MSNBC, if you agree with what the MMFA authors wrote.

            I am amused that MMFA asks its fans to complain to MSNBC about what Keith Olbermann says.  In the past, others have responded to me that it also is possible to use the contact info to praise MSNBC, but that is not mentioned by MMFA.  They just post this contact thing to go along with the charade and stay out of trouble with the IRS, I guess.  It makes no sense to me otherwise. 

             

             

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            • Author by therick (August 29, 2007 9:21 pm ET)
                 

              Maybe MMFA is just pointing out that there's someone on TV pulling for our cause.  It is starting to catch on.  Remember last November?

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              • Author by Chromium (August 29, 2007 11:05 pm ET)
                   

                "someone"?

                MRC.org just came out with a report today about how all 3 of the big network morning shows have been pulling for your side.

                 

                With them on your side, Olbermann is barely worth mentioning. 

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                • Author by Readeverything (August 30, 2007 1:56 am ET)
                     

                  The big three networks are generally conservative.  Just because eveyone tends to agree that the bush administration has mismanaged the war effort hardly makes them liberal networks.  In every other way they are conservative.  The liberal media is a myth.  And it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.  Hell just look at who owns them.

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                • Author by solon (August 30, 2007 12:55 pm ET)
                     

                  Yeah, its BS and MRC is a joke. NEXT

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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 30, 2007 12:28 am ET)
                 

              Very good Missouri...

              You've made a point.  (Here's a cupcake.  Go over to Little Green Nerfballs.)  Please don't ever make it again.

              Keith is the man! 

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    • Author by michael.franco3237 (August 29, 2007 4:25 pm ET)
         

      KO goes after all of them yet they all go mummed.  Why is that?

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    • Author by scooter (August 29, 2007 6:07 pm ET)
         

      Thanks you MMFA, for some great reporting and summaries. Also, I like that it drives a few SUEELDs and TOMMYs wild.

      Too bad some of us have to look past the drivel that they begin when they start their whining. What is with these people tat they have so much time to harp on the fact that MMFA is doing their job? Doesn't leave much time for them to look rationally over the important stories, does it? I would bet that the cranky writers are writing when their teacher isn't looking.

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      • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 6:21 pm ET)
           

        Scooter

        I can not speak for Sueeld or Tommy, but please tell me who is whining? How is asking a question "whining"?

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        • Author by scooter (August 29, 2007 8:10 pm ET)
             

          Q.E.D.

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          • Author by JLyons (August 29, 2007 9:44 pm ET)
               

            What is Q.E.D?

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            • Author by Chromium (August 29, 2007 11:12 pm ET)
                 

              Q.E.D. is a Latin abbreviation:  Quod Erat Demonstratum, "which was to be demonstrated"

              When at the end of a mathematical proof, it means "I proved it"

              When used in place of an answer, it means, "I am an arrogant snob who does not know how to answer the question."

              Thanks for asking? 

               

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              • Author by scooter (August 30, 2007 7:30 am ET)
                   

                You arrogant snob.

                Wow, feels sooo good to act like a childish Conservative moron once in a while. Rarely can a Con make a point without name-calling.

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                • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 8:52 am ET)
                     

                  I did not understand what QED was, i was never good at math.  I do not think you are arrogant. 

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                  • Author by mary59 (August 30, 2007 10:23 am ET)
                       

                    I first learned about Latin phrases from Mad Magazine.  (50s & 60s editions)

                    They used Q.E.D. a number of times but I didn't figure it out.  Thanks for the education.

                    They also introduced me to Shakespeare.

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                    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2007 2:18 pm ET)
                         

                      A college student goes into the library and tells the librarian, "I have to read a play by Shakespeare."

                      The librarian asks, "Which one?"

                      The student replies, "William."

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              • Author by Timmee (August 30, 2007 10:17 pm ET)
                   

                grats you have google...you're a genius

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        • Author by Timmee (August 30, 2007 10:14 pm ET)
             

          You know exactly what he's talking about.

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    • Author by jeter2 (August 29, 2007 6:55 pm ET)
         

      Olbermann named Fox's Gibson "Worst Person" for claiming Clinton "makes a deal with Al Qaeda"

      Well as of 39 posts [mine being #40] I have yet to see Gibson or Clinton even mentioned.

      Perhaps that's because we already discussed this on another thread. Just sayin...

      But what the hell? Keith rocks! Well not really ;-)

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 30, 2007 12:32 am ET)
           

        Jeter2 sucks...

        Not really.  He's a good poster! 

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        • Author by Readeverything (August 30, 2007 2:03 am ET)
             

          I beg to differ. Jeter is a moron.  He never ever discusses the content of stories.  His job is to attack the messenger and not the message. 

           Its to bad we spend all this time discussing KO's worthyness of MM's website instead of the actual topics he brings up.

          If you can't comprehend why MM often post KO's content then I'm sorry, you are a moron in my book.   

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          • Author by MsOtter (August 30, 2007 8:48 am ET)
               

            That's totally not true - Jeter is a very thoughtful poster.  And it was not Jeter who hijacked this thread, but Jlyons with her usual complaining (or "questioning" as she would say).

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            • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 8:51 am ET)
                 

              How is discussing a thread, "Hijacking" a thread? You really need to lighten up. Tell me exactly where any of my questions were off topic and "hijacking".  Why so defensive?

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              • Author by MsOtter (August 30, 2007 9:00 am ET)
                   

                "You really need to lighten up."

                Is this what you call "respectful" discussion?    As for something on topic - how about we discuss how happy we are that someone is reporting on this incredible slur of Hillary Clinton.  Suggesting that she is making deals with terrorists is pretty beyond the pale, don't you think?

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                • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 9:05 am ET)
                     

                  And saying I "hijacked" the thread is respectful? or even correct? it is an attempted smear.

                    As for something on topic - how about we discuss how happy we are that someone is reporting on this incredible slur of Hillary Clinton.  Suggesting that she is making deals with terrorists is pretty beyond the pale, don't you think? I am very happy, but not wanting to sound redundant you may have missed that thread Monday? 

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                  • Author by MsOtter (August 30, 2007 9:16 am ET)
                       

                    I don't think I have ever claimed to be respectful!  I'd much rather be able to write cool limericks, like some.  Nonetheless, you are right that it is a laudable goal.

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                    • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 9:20 am ET)
                         

                      I am not really sure what your point was in any of these threads other than to cause trouble.  Hopefully I am wrong. 

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                      • Author by MHK (August 30, 2007 2:19 pm ET)
                           

                        I was wondering the very same thing about you.  What is your point other then to drive items off topic and annoy?

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                        • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 2:37 pm ET)
                             

                          Can you provide evidence that I took this topic "off topic"? If you can I would love to address it. Or is this an attempt to smear me?

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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2007 2:21 pm ET)
                           

                        Hopefully I am wrong. 

                        Quite frequently, yes. And don't start whining, "please show me where I am wrong," as you do with almost every other post about you. It is whining, and trollish behavior to do so constantly.

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                  • Author by Timmee (August 30, 2007 10:31 pm ET)
                       

                    No, I didn't see the thread Monday. Maybe I was busy living. Besides, who can compete with the constant barrage of posts that some of you are able to get out day after day.

                    Do you wait for new articles to come up so you can be the first one posting and start it like this...

                    "Another day another plug for Olbermann. Yippe."

                    Way to comment on the substance of the article. This is why people are using words like hijack. You know what they mean too.

                    Who knows why forums have certain people that cling to them like ticks...but they do. I just wish people would stop replying..by now they should know what you're going to say.

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              • Author by halfaworldaway (August 30, 2007 12:07 pm ET)
                   

                im sorry j but the another plug for olbermann yippee did sound s#kind of obtuse and whiny

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                • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 12:20 pm ET)
                     

                  If that is your definition of obtuse and whiny, wow you are hard to please.

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          • Author by solon (August 30, 2007 12:59 pm ET)
               

            I utterly disagree. Jeter is a good poster. He is thoughtful never a knee jerk take on the issue and he brings something different to the discussion. A somewhat conservative view without the parroting of propaganda. I dont think he deserves your attack on him.

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          • Author by MHK (August 30, 2007 2:20 pm ET)
               

            You are just plan wrong about Jeter2 and I think you owe him an apology.  

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        • Author by Chromium (August 30, 2007 7:10 am ET)
             

          IMHO, Jeter is one of the better posters around here.

          I also noted the lack of any apt commentary on the actual MMFA article, or any comments from a staffer at MMFA.

          I do not come close to reading every posting here, so I might have missed it:  If anyone knows of a time when MMFA answered why they continue to post these WPITW things and the even more ridiculous instruction to contact MSNBC to tell them what you want to do differently in the future, please provide the link. 

          Regarding this lack of response from MMFA to posts, I a reminded of Clara Peller and the old Wendy's commercial:  Besides the famous line "Where's the beef?", she also said in the same commercial: "I don't think there's anybody back there."  It does seem as if MMFA operates in drive-by mode:  Shoot the stuff, and then leave. 

           

           

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          • Author by scooter (August 30, 2007 7:36 am ET)
               

            It is not MMFA's job to answer such questions. Why do you come here asking such questions, especially since it has been answered ad nauseam. Sorry to add more latin... go ahead and call me a snob after you look it up.

            MMFA is doing their job by informing the pubic about media misinformation. If they add to the commentary and show other commentary, then they are doing exactly what they set out to do.

            Thank you MMFA. Discussion detractors, please find something else to do.

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            • Author by JLyons (August 30, 2007 8:53 am ET)
                 

              Scooter, it that was your answer to the question I have posed, thank you it was very well thought and answered.

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            • Author by Chromium (August 30, 2007 1:41 pm ET)
                 

              While I never studied Latin as such, I did acquire knowledge of the commonly used terms, roots, ET CETERA.  So use Latin if it makes you happy, but I think it makes you appear snobbish.  And, besides, you never answered the question about how asking a question is whining.

              I also regularly read another blog called the Radio Equalizer.  Its blogger admitted that he rarely reads the responses to his blog also. I would think that in this era of "continuous improvement" used throughout manufacturing, that the principles would be maintained in the blogoshere also.  Maybe someday.

              Until then, MMFA will continue to post the ridiculous sidebars telling its fans to complain to MSNBC about Olbermann.  And it took Brian Maloney of Radio Equalizer quite some time to correct his complete misread of a Minnesota campaign story.  Oh well:  What is "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink" in Latin? 

               

               

                

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    • Author by hubble (August 29, 2007 8:49 pm ET)
         

      Just a quick search of KO threads and just a few of the commentsAnother day another plug for Olbermann. Yippe.Another Plug for Keith Olbermann. Nothing new here other than MMFA giving their errand boy a shout out for awarding Limbaugh.If you don't have the full 60 minutes to devote to Countdown, you can skip the Worst Person segment, about 45 minutes into the show.....it will be here the next day.Why is this here? This isn't misinformation, but just Olberman expressing his opinion, and MMFA acting like an echo chamber to their favorite poster boy.

      These Olbermann awards are worthless. So are these Olbermann threads.

      Sounds like whining to me, but perhaps I’m wrong.

      I'm not saying don't post. I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid. I'm not saying go somewhere else, I'm saying if these threads are so useless why even bother to waste your valuable time to read them. Those who have expressed the above opinions obviously find them tedious. Why waste time and energy reading and repeatedly commenting on something that has been expressed ad nausea. We get it, you don't like KO and you don't like the KO threads.

      I personally enjoy the KO worst person segments and don't always have a chance to see Countdown, so I enjoy MMFA posting the link so I can see it.Again, if you don't like the KO threads don't read them, but from the responses I have seen it looks as if the majority of the posters here enjoy the post and the only thing this constant "Whining" about "Why is this here" accomplishes is distracting from the subject of the post and talking about KO and his relationship with MMFA. Of course that is probably the point entirely, to direct the conversation away from the "Worst Person" and redirect it toward KO.  Because it's much better to discuss silly topics like why MMFA chooses to post this article or that article than it is to actually discuss what total lying sacks of manure the people receiving the award really are. I could be mistaken as to the true intent of the whine, but I don't think so. Now, if you don’t enjoy Fribourgeois, I can suggest a nice smokey Gouda.

       

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      • Author by Chromium (August 30, 2007 1:43 pm ET)
           

        Free transcripts of MSNBC shows are on their website.

        Enjoy Olbermann's product to your heart's content! 

         

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
             

          Enjoy Olbermann's product to your heart's content! 

          MMfA clearly does just that, and it's their site. Why don't you start your own site that does things just the way you want, and when you're done, and you're the only one reading it, you can congratulate youraelf on a job well done?

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    • Author by BlueBayou (August 30, 2007 1:04 am ET)
         

      I think that Faux news people and commentators aren't allowed to say anything but lies.  They are all as sickening as Bush and his phony cronies.  And good riddance to the Quaint Torturous Gonzalez.  Just another right-wing coward exiting the kitchen 'cause he can't stand the heat.

       

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    • Author by tweakthetroll (August 30, 2007 12:56 pm ET)
         

      Yeah...OK....Oralmann must have a bunch of these in the can...Gibson has been on vacation all week....but then again how would the "man of tan" know he has never listened to Gibson in  his life ...well maybe when "bathtub boy" would not come to work during the Lewinsky scandal and Gibson has to do his show for him he may have tuned into his own show to see what was going on.... the clairvoyance of those here who never watch Fox news but know all about it is amazing..... Hint: to a regular Fox news watcher an Olbyloon can be spotted a mile away......

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      • Author by solon (August 30, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
           

        So tell me tweakermoron. Do you EVER make a post worth reading? Something other than inane, moronic and frankly incoherent blabbering? See I dont EVER remember reading anything CLOSE to worthwhile from you.

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        • Author by tweakthetroll (August 30, 2007 1:18 pm ET)
             

          So you don't like my "troll" accent? I can see by your post your out of "the loop" on this Olbermann thing.....just as well sometimes the burden of knowledge is.... well....burdensome.

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          • Author by therick (August 30, 2007 6:46 pm ET)
               

            "...to a regular Fox news watcher an Olbyloon can be spotted a mile away"--Tweekthetroll

            How true.  Olberman watchers are the one who are kind, polite, intelligent, and sometimes lean a bit to the left when they walk.

            Fox "News" viewers are those who still believe that Sadam had WMD, don't want to hear about bad news in Iraq, and carry a radio in their left hand.  The radio is keeps them from falling over to the right, and is tuned to Rush Limbaugh.

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            • Author by tweakthetroll (August 30, 2007 7:03 pm ET)
                 

              Nice try rick.....have you visited Olbermann's "news hole" blog? I know some of those posters are not normal but there still is a ton of hatred spewed by his fanatical viewers.

              The "listing right" part was pretty good though.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2007 2:27 pm ET)
               

            just as well sometimes the burden of knowledge is.... well....burdensome.

            I notice that your back is straight and without burden. Good thing there's no knowledge slowing you down.

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    • Author by RoberttheP (August 30, 2007 1:21 pm ET)
         

      Does anyone have anything better to say than Olbermann this and troll that? what about the actual subject of the story?

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    • Author by tweakthetroll (August 30, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
         

      Sol... I would be remiss if I did not take this opportunity to inform the uninformed........click on the link and scroll down to AUGUST 8TH...CLICK ON JOHN GIBSON'S YOUTUBE LINK AND INFORM THYSELF.....

      http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/08/

      When John Gibson worked at MSNBC Olbermann refused to do negitive storys on his hero Bill Clinton...during the Lewinsky scandle...since Olbermann does not drive because of his head injury a few years ago MSNBC would send a limmo to pick him up. On certian days he would refuse to go to work, hide in the bathroom in the tub and not answer the door. Gibson would have to stay over and do his show for him..... as crazy as this sounds it is true....do the research!

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      • Author by therick (August 30, 2007 6:53 pm ET)
           

        OH MY!  WHAT A RELIABLE SOURCE!

        An intelligent person would question thid question:  If this is true, why does KO still have a job with MSNBC?

        I assume that meanwhile, you follow (and defend) the vile John Gibson.  Do you also cheerlead for more death to our troops the way Fox "News" and Limbaugh do?

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        • Author by tweakthetroll (August 30, 2007 7:13 pm ET)
             

          Settle down rick....it a nice sunny day....no where have I carried water for anyone on the right of left. I amuse myself by pointing out human weakness and quirks in public figures....both right and left. You will all so notice I never disparage anyone here who posts OR their opinion...no calling of names, no questions about their mental status. Mostly just observations of their actions. But thats just me.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2007 2:30 pm ET)
               

            You will all so notice I never disparage anyone here who posts OR their opinion

            You're right, telling them to "settle down" is condescending, not disparaging.

            You keep trying to talk down to those above you, and you'll keep wondering why no one pays any attention to a thing you say.

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    • Author by hubble (August 30, 2007 3:34 pm ET)
         

      The Tweaker Writes

      When John Gibson worked at MSNBC Olbermann refused to do negitive storys on his hero Bill Clinton...during the Lewinsky scandle...since Olbermann does not drive because of his head injury a few years ago MSNBC would send a limmo to pick him up. On certian days he would refuse to go to work, hide in the bathroom in the tub and not answer the door. Gibson would have to stay over and do his show for him..... as crazy as this sounds it is true....do the research!

      And the point of this tidbit of information is? Shall we start a list of unusual or immoral behavior concerning people in the media?It would just be tacky of me to mention Billo likes to talk dirty on the phone to his subordinates and has a thing for falafels.It would just be unseemly to mention that Rush likes to take a bottle of illegally prescribed Viagra along with his bottles of  oxicotin to feed his drug addiction, to the Dominican Republic which just happens to be the most popular sex tourism destination specializing in child prostitution in the Western Hemisphere.Once again you manage to attack the messenger and not the message, why not discuss the fact that Gabby Gibby twisted, distorted, and in the best imitation of the Great Oz, pulled crap out of thin air to accuse Hillary of cutting a deal with the terrorist.It always amazes me just how well oiled the Right Wing Noise machine is when it comes to distracting the focus of the discussion away from the issue to attack the messenger.WOW! KO missed some work and Gabby had to fill in for him, great bit of investigative journalism there Sport, and it would really be shocking if this wasn’t the 100th time I’ve seen this particular piece of smear campaigning posted. Really can we come up with a new hate story for KO?

      Love the link, a Right Wing Hate site dedicated to discrediting KO, golly jeepers Mr. Green Jeans you’ve convinced me now. 

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    • Author by tweakthetroll (August 30, 2007 4:59 pm ET)
         

      Shall we start a list of unusual or immoral behavior concerning people in the media?It would just be tacky of me to mention Billo likes to talk dirty on the phone to his subordinates and has a thing for falafels.It would just be unseemly to mention that Rush likes to take a bottle of illegally prescribed Viagra along with his bottles of  oxicotin to feed his drug addiction, to the Dominican Republic which just happens to be the most popular sex tourism destination specializing in child prostitution in the Western Hemisphere.

      hubble / Thursday August 30, 2007 03:34:17 PM EST

      That would be fair.....sure, go ahead........this story was about Olbermann and Gibson though. Doesn't it seem a little odd/tacky that the so-called cable news media are going at each other this way?  

      Love the link, a Right Wing Hate site dedicated to discrediting KO, golly jeepers Mr. Green Jeans you’ve convinced me now. 

       hubble / Thursday August 30, 2007 03:34:17 PM EST

       

      Have you visited MSNBC's blog under "Countdown" called the  "News Hole"?

      Cheer up Hub.....its a beautiful day in the neighborhood, if you cant laugh at all this useless crap from all sides then your missing out on free entertainment.

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    • Author by unitarianpatriot (August 30, 2007 6:46 pm ET)
         

      Actually, that was Reagan who made a deal with Iran to keep the hostages to help him beat Carter.

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