Fox News on-screen graphic: "RUDY GIULIANI + 9/11 = THE WHITE HOUSE??"
On the October 17 edition of Fox News' Studio B with Shepard Smith, during a segment on Fox News host Sean Hannity's interview with Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani and his wife, Judith, an on-screen graphic read: "RUDY GIULIANI + 9/11 = THE WHITE HOUSE??" Smith prefaced his discussion with Republican strategist Margaret Hoover and Democratic strategist Malia Lazu by asserting, "Judy Giuliani has been very quiet for the past few months, maybe by campaign design, but last night she and her husband sat down with Sean Hannity -- in obviously very friendly territory -- and one of the first topics: 9-11, the day Rudy Giuliani became a worldwide, household name." After airing a video clip of the interview, Smith said: "Judy Giuliani, speaking out, and on the record with her husband, a place we've not seen her for a long time -- in the public eye. Why now? Why that venue? And why this topic?"
While the segment did not include any additional discussion of Giuliani's response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the same on-screen graphic was shown repeatedly throughout the rest of the segment:
As
Media Matters for America has
repeatedly documented (here, here, here, here, and here), the media have frequently lauded
Giuliani as a 9-11 hero while omitting criticisms of his performance as mayor
before,
during, and after September 11.
Further, at no point during the segment did Smith mention Hoover's reported ties to Giuliani's campaign. According to an April 9 New York magazine article, Hoover joined Giuliani's campaign in September 2006 "to help direct fund-raising operations." The article went on to report: "Hoover, 29, says she's departing to pursue the ever-popular 'other opportunities,' adding that she's 'still supporting Rudy for president.' "
From the October 17 edition of Fox News' Studio B with Shepard Smith:
SMITH: Presidential candidates drag their husbands and wives out on the campaign trail all the time. I don't know about "drag" -- a lot of spouses really like to do it and some spouses are more vocal than others. Judy Giuliani has been very quiet for the past few months, maybe by campaign design, but last night she and her husband sat down with Sean Hannity -- in obviously very friendly territory -- and one of the first topics: 9-11, the day Rudy Giuliani became a worldwide, household name.
[begin video clip]
JUDITH GIULIANI: Well, September 11th was the most horrific day of my entire life. One of the things that many people don't realize, Sean, is that Rudy was trapped in the basement of 75 Barclay Street for some time that morning. So I could have lost Rudy on that day.
[...]
JUDITH GIULIANI: We lost loved ones, we lost friends, and Rudy, of course, being Rudy, put me to work, and I was able --
[end video clip]
SMITH: Judy Giuliani, speaking out, and on the record, and with her husband, a place we've not seen her for a long time -- in the public eye. Why now? Why that venue? And why this topic? Margaret Hoover is with us, she's a Republican strategist. Malia Lazu is a Democratic strategist and joins us live now from California. I guess let's start with Republicans. And, Margaret, why now? Why not before? And why Sean Hannity?
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Well I think it is now clear. FOX is endorsing Rudy Giuliani for President. I think we will begin to see the propaganda machine in full force now.
I predict that it will be extremely ugly this time around. Assuming that it's Giuliani vs. Clinton, we'll get to relive the 90s all over again, plus endless references to Giuliani's "heroism" on 9/11. By the time their professional liars are done, they'll dig up eye witnesses who saw Rudy catching babies falling out of the World Trade Center. You think they've puffed up Reagan? Wait til you see what they do with SuperRudy!
Of course. Because any time a question is simply asked that means that a candidate is being endorsed. Nice one.
RINO HUNTER: UNABLE TO RECOGNIZE POLITICAL PROPAGANDA WHEN HE SEES IT??
What? What's the big deal? I'm not asserting that! I'm just asking! It's a legitimate question!
NO. The point here is that banner poses the question and presents the connection without any actual content about it in the programming. It runs continuously while they banter off that particular topic. I wonder do these talking heads sometime just ad lib it? Are theses shows taped and the chryon added later, or did the bobbleheads wander?
Rudy is a sideshow. He is not getting that nomination. For those Dune fans out there, He is the hand that hides the knife. They don't want to show what they're going to beat Hillary with so they dance around with this loud clown.
But they know they can't keep their coalition of the weird together for the general election with cross-dressing Rudy as the nominee. He's just got too much...personality. Too messy. What he will provide is the backdrop for the emergence of their new star empty suit. They need a haircut to recite the dangers we face and pretend to be Ronald Reagan. Someone the religious folks could get behind. Count on it being Romney. They'll get over the mormon thing better than the cross-dressing videos and affairs and divorces.
I don't think it is an endorsement. The two question marks, to me, symbolize the complete absurdity in the equation.
Maybe the press finally understands that occupying a mayoral position during a pivotal time in our nation's history does not a president make.
Crap... this is fox... who am I kidding.
I suppose the accuracy of that equation correlates to the relative stupidity of the American electorate. The jury is still out on that one.
I take offense to your calling American voters stupid. That equation is stupid. Having an inevitably pathetic "choice" to make in voting for the next President does not make the American electorate stupid. That's Murdoch's job.
RUPERT MURDOCH USING HIS MEDIA EMPIRE TO MAKE VOTERS STUPID??
What? What's the big deal? I'm not asserting that! I'm just asking!
IDIOTS + FOX NEWS = REPUBLICANS?
Just asking.
Anybody who votes for Giuliani because (A) He was a "hero" on 9/11, or (B) He promises to keep us "safe" from terrorists....is STUPID.
Sorry, I can't think of a kinder way to say it.
Giuliani, Clinton and Obama will all promise to keep us "safe" from terrorists. That does not make voters stupid.
If they believe that any President can make us "safe" from terrorists...they're stupid. Furthermore, anyone who truly believes the GOP rhetoric about the war in Iraq making us safe from terrorism...is stupid. Anyone who believes the crap about the terrorists "following us home" if we leave Iraq...is stupid.
I think the point is if that is the only reason someone votes for him...
That's a lot of "if"s, but if that's what it takes for you to insult the American electorate, knock your pale blue socks off.
my reply was to nerzog.
I'm sorry in advance.
Bush getting elected the second time DOES mean that voters are stupid.
most americans can name all kinds of inconsequential entertainment nonsense, but ask them to name a supreme court justice and many can't name one, let alone nine.
If they keep voting for the same mass-murdering right-wing parties that are destroying this nation, then yes, they ARE stupid. They vote for the killing, thieving bastards over and over again, why should they get any respect?
The Daily Show the other day showed clip with Rudy saying something like "I have a dream..." and then they showed a little clip with the number 9 on a bed having sex with the number 11 (IIRC it was supposed to be in the White House, but I'm not sure). :D
I think that's pretty close to the truth. Whatever it means. :D
It's a winning formula, eh Fox? If even more people had died and more buildings hit, it would be a Rudy landslide!!
Sick. Really sick.
Actually, I applied a little elementary algebra, and discovered something startling:
9/11 = White House - Rudy Giuliani
Indicating that had Rudy been president, 9/11 would not have happened!
Even as startling as THAT is, after further evaluation of the original equation, I made an even more astonishing discovery:
Rudy Giuliani = White House - 9/11
indicating that without 9/11, Rudy would have had his whole house painted. Unfortunately, he was interrupted by the events that day, and didn't finish his painting, leading us to the equation:
9/11 = (White + Brown) House + Rudy Giuliani
Yes. Rudy lives in a partially white and partially brown house. And his HOA is having a fit.
Neon, we need you badly...to explain to ACHRISPAGE the meaning of satire.
I love the way you have connected the dots here.
Without paint the house will rot. The number between 9/11 is ten. Thus:
rot + ten + Rudy = rotten Rudy
FOX NEWS + REPUBLICANS = RIGHT WING BULL**** PROPOGANDA??
What? What's the big deal? I'm not asserting that! I'm just asking!
I wonder, if Rotten Rudy wins (God help us all) ...... what would happen to Condi?
Would she stay with Bush? Or leave him for...... I'm just saying... I'm not presumming anything.... As Stephanie Miller might imply
:)~
Hey folks, whats the difference between this: 2+2 = 4 and this; 2+2 = 4?? (Spoiler - it's the question marks)
The way I read this head line is "Is 9/11 enough to get Giuliani in the White House"? It is a legimate question.
That's right! The first rule of Murdoch journalism:
When you use a question mark, and you can say and propagate JUST ABOUT ANYTHING!
For instance:
WC4ME: FOOLISH ENOUGH NOT TO RECOGNIZE FOX NEWS' PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUES?
What? What's the big deal? I'm not asserting that! I'm just asking! It's a legitimate question!
OR
WC4ME: NOT BLINDED BY IDEAOLOGY TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS A MEDIA CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS. - CLEVER ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE A LEGITIMATE QUESTION WHEN ASKED!
That's not a question.
It's a fact! :->
See the video in my link above.
Fox has a long history of using question marks to push political talking points. If you think this instance is any different, you are neither clever nor nonpartisan.
They don't call it a "Cavuto mark" for nothing!
Its wishful thinking
"It is a legimate question."
So's this:
Giuliani + 4,000 Dead on his watch = Doomed Presidential Bid??
But we didn't (and won't) see that question on Fox.
And this:
"RUDY GIULIANI: DICK CHENEY'S NEW SOCK PUPPET?"
Dave - if you can somehow link how he was responsible for 4000 deaths you may have a stroy there. I'm sure CNN, The NY Times and Newsweek will run it.
"Dave - if you can somehow link how he was responsible for 4000 deaths you may have a stroy there. I'm sure CNN, The NY Times and Newsweek will run it."
By that same token, if you can somehow link how a horrendous catastrophe -during the time the safety of his city was his responsibility- translates in Fox' addled and gov't propagandist minds to -literally- a "+" -a positive plus- you'll have a story that will surely run on Fox News and WorldNetDaily.
(Check that: stories like that already have run on those two outlets.)
Your "legitimate question" is particularly interesting in light of the mixed reaction, controversy and anger over Giuliani's response or lack thereof to that tragedy.
And-particularly in light of how the only thing mentioned about 9/11 during this Smith segment was that "Rudy was trapped in the basement."
Sorry, but Rudy + stuck in the basement does not = Presidential Timber.
By that same token, if you can somehow link...
I'm not the one writing the story Dave - I'll listen to their presentation and determine if they have made a case one way or the other.
You presented an alternate story line - run with it!
Hi WC, Just checking, but you know that "Roger Eugene Ailes (born May 15, 1940) is the president of Fox News Channel and chairman of the Fox Television Stations Group. He was a media consultant for Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush, as well as for presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign in 1989.[2]"
Right? You knew that already?
Check out "The Selling of the President 1968" if you want to know about Ailes's background and read about him in action. He's been in active in Republican politics for 40 years and for the past 10 he's had a cable channel at his disposal to spread Republican propaganda 24/7.
[link to www.amazon.com]
Yep- I also know that not enough people watch that crap to make a difference!
But wait...aren't they always bragging about their high ratings?
Compared to what - Sponge Bob??
WC4ME,
A lot of snarky comebacks by the usual suspects only prove your excellent point.
Actually, WC4ME's post is snarky. He knows full well what FOX's game is with their question mark graphics, as do you.
N
Yes I do know them - and am clever enough to know when to ignore them and determine on my own if there is a real story there. MMFA getting worked up over this demonstrates their pre determined bias when determining what to post. I see it as a major credibility problem.
I am also quite amazed at the amount of contempt the people here have for the intelligence of the electorate. I think they are a lot smarter than you give them credit for.
Not all the electorate...just the 24% that still supports President Numbnuts.
If they're so smart, why are Democrats and Republicans still in power and killing people and destroying our economy?
AA,
You attack liberal logic on the Colmes post and logically conclude here that snarky responses mean that WC has a point? Is that "typical conservative logic?"
Do you always ask rhetorical questions?
So, smartass comments by liberals=good point by conservatives? Did you check my response to you on the Imus thread? I would be curious to hear your response.
"snarky comebacks"
So if one can't even take a tiny bit of snark -well earned snark, I would add- how is one going to Stand Up to the Terrorists?
Dave,
I'm not sure to whom you are referring, but I appreciate the effort trying to be snarky about being snarky! :-) You get bonus points for that!
And if that is true then Nerzog's assertion would be correct.
re: "Is 9/11 enough to get Giuliani in the White House"? It is a legimate question.
It's as legitimate as a TV commercial that asks "Are you feeling like ARBY'S?" It's a suggestion, not a question.
It looks like 9/11 Tourette's Syndrome is much more contagious than was originally thought.
[link to www.comedycentral.com]
" Rudy Giuliani + 9/11 + Bernie Kerik = Prison?? "
Rudy Giuliani + 9/11 = 11,000 P***ed Off Firefighters??
I suppose an on screen graphic that read:
Hillary Clinton + Popular ex-Prez/Hubby Bill = The White House?? would evoke similar outrage here?
No? Yeah I didn't think so ;-)
Ah the things that get you guys in a tizzy ::eye roll::
You can speculate all you want but the fact is you won't see a graphic like that.
You can speculate all you want but the fact is you won't see a graphic like that and that's the point.
I agree.. Way too long
Hill + Bill = Doing it again??A tizzy? Tell that to the people who lost loved ones on that day. The way Fox and Giulianni use 9/11 for their political is disgusting. One again, hand in hand those two show they're like school on Saturday.
Why "Heavens to Betsy" and "For the love of Mike", why are you all up in here gettin' into a "tizzy"?
SMITH: .... Judy Giuliani has been very quiet for the past few months, maybe by campaign design, but last night she and her husband sat down with Sean Hannity...
Can Smith really be this stupid?
If it's not an appearance approved by Giuliani's handlers and just another way to conflate Giuliani with 9/11 much in the same way Saddam was tied to 9/11 I'd like to know what he thinks it is.
Fox News doesn't even feel the need to be subtle about sellling the idea to the American public.
Based on the minimal discussion of Giuliani's response on 9/11 in Smith's story, I have this Legitimate Question:
Rudy + "Trapped in the basement on 9/11" = Rudy trapped in the presidential candidate cellar??
Memories of Gen. Patton?
I'm waiting for FOX to create graphics of Giuliani on 9/11 firing ivory-gripped pistols at the hijacked airplanes before they crashed into the Twin Towers. And didn't Giuliani rush into the rubble to finish off Mohamed Atta with a bullet to the head? ;>)
I heard that Rudy cut his throat with a Swiss Army knife, and made a necklace out of his teeth. Maybe it's just a rumor...
No, Giuliani stood in front of the rubble scratching his head wondering, "Dude, where'd my Crisis Command Center go?"
I heard he peed on Atta while Lee Greenwood sang in the background.
In fact, it was Satam Al Suqami.....that explains how they found his passport.
Come on people, it's not like the Reichies get all fired up about a question mark, right?
Oh, wait ... Moveon.org ...
One question mark is "I'm just sayin'", but two show complete incredulity.
The graphic is declaring its disgust for Giuliani's one-note candidacy, and its dismay that voters might be dumb enough to buy it.
It translates roughly: "What the hell? You really think you can be president by just saying 9/11 over and over?"
Giuliani needs to call Fox News at once and complain about its liberal bias.
Wow! Here, I thought Irony 101 to be the master of . . . irony!
If you want to read what Fox News executive Roger Ailes thinks of the American public all you have to do is read the Selling of the President
[link to www.amazon.com]
This is Ailes at his best and in the intervening 40 years he's made an art form out of what he was doing back then.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/14/jon-stewarts-hilarious-look-at-the-use-of-the-question-mark/
The Daily Show did a great take on the question mark about a year ago. It pretty much explains everything.
There was a 'Rudy" on the scene on 9/11 but his last name wasn't Giuliani it was Washington.
Rudy Washington. [Source: Congress of Racial Equality]After being caught in the dust plume when the WTC’s South Tower collapses at 9:59, Rudy Washington, who is one of Rudy Giuliani’s deputy mayors, heads to City Hall, where he coordinates the city’s emergency response to the attacks. He is in contact with New York Governor George Pataki, high-ranking New York Police Department officers, and Navy Admiral Robert Natter, the commander of the US Atlantic Fleet (see (Shortly After 9:59 a.m.) September 11, 2001). He orders the closing of bridges. (Though, according to some accounts, the New York Port Authority ordered all bridges to be closed earlier on, at 9:21 (see 9:21 a.m. September 11, 2001).) As New York Daily News columnist Stanley Crouch later describes, Washington also finds “heavy machinery to get downtown for the cleanup and got the Navy to guard against a seaborne attack. He evacuated City Hall, which shook like crazy when the second tower fell. He gathered people who could give medical help, gave the order to find lights that could be used at Ground Zero and worked out new phone communications, since power was being lost. Accompanied by city engineers, he went into the streets around the fallen towers, testing the ground to make sure it would hold when the heavy equipment came in.” Washington’s efforts at developing an emergency strategy are reportedly aided by what he learned at an anti-terrorist training session chaired by counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke and held at the WTC, in preparation for the millennium celebration (see (Late 1999)). Stanley Crouch later credits Rudy Washington with having “ran New York for the first few hours after the attack during a period when Giuliani was thought to have been killed inside the first building that went down.” [[link to www.nydailynews.com] color="#0000ff">New York Daily News, 5/20/2004] During the initial hours following the attacks, between around 9:50 a.m. and midday, Mayor Giuliani is moving around between a series of temporary command posts.
Thank you Pearl...I appreciate the education about this person. So Mr. 9/ll was roaming while this guy was directing, eh?
I do give Guilliani credit for having a calming "face" in front of the cameras that day. But the back story is really even more important.
Mary when you look at all the things this guy did and yet I've never heard Rudy mention his name one time. He acts like he did everything when actually he did nothing in the first few hours. Is this what we can expect if another 9/11 happens? Will we have a repeat of 'My Pet Goat?'
Pearl, I'm looking at the photo of Rudy & Judy (1st pic in this article) & wondering
which one is the pet goat?
"Judy Giuliani has been very quiet for the past few months, maybe by campaign design, but last night she and her husband sat down with Sean Hannity -- in obviously very friendly territory -- "
Obviously. No embarassing questions about how they met or if she knew he was still married to his second wife at the time. Sean is much too high class to ask such personal questions...of a Republican.
RUDY + Ex-wives + Abortion +Gays=== A Third Party + Another Candidate ( not to be confused with AnotherAmerican)
10Q NYT 2!