Olbermann named Kondracke "Worst Person" "winner" for waterboarding comments; Gibson "runner-up"
MSNBC's Keith Olbermann named Roll Call's Mort Kondracke the "winner" of his nightly "Worst Person in the World" segment for asserting on Fox News' Special Report: "I'm sure [waterboarding] feels like torture, you know, it doesn't result in any lasting damage, but it feels like torture." Olbermann also named Fox News' John Gibson the "runner-up" for criticizing an "NBC news anchor" for offering Sen. Barack Obama advice on what he "needs to say" about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- one day after Gibson himself had offered Obama advice.
On the October 31 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named Roll Call executive editor Morton M. Kondracke the "winner" of his nightly "Worst Person in the World" segment for asserting on the October 29 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, in reference to the interrogation technique known as waterboarding: "I'm sure it feels like torture, you know, it doesn't result in any lasting damage, but it feels like torture," as Media Matters for America documented.
During the show, Olbermann stated that a "top" physician "at the famous Bellevue Hospital testified to the Senate that when it's done right, waterboarding can produce panic attacks, post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, and other kinds of lasting damage." As Media Matters noted, Dr. Allen S. Keller, director of the Bellevue Hospital Center/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture, wrote in Senate testimony about the "long-term health consequences" of waterboarding. In written testimony dated September 25 to a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing on interrogation techniques, Keller stated, "To think that abusive methods, including the enhanced interrogation techniques [in which Keller included waterboarding], are harmless psychological ploys is contradictory to well established medical knowledge and clinical experience. These methods are intended to break the prisoners down, to terrify them and cause harm to their psyche, and in so doing result in lasting harmful health consequences." He said of waterboarding specifically, "Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD [post traumatic stress disorder]," and noted that it poses a "real risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack or damage to the lungs from inhalation of water."
Responding to Kondracke's comments, Olbermann stated: "But here's the thing, Mort -- here's the thing you need to be thinking about late at night when it's real quiet: What happens if one of our guys doing the waterboarding does it wrong? What if he produces not a panic attack but a heart attack? What if he pours too much water over the detainee and actually suffocates him? This is what you nitwits keep thinking about torture, and forgetting about enhanced interrogation or I-can't-believe-it's-not-torture or whatever phrase you're using to fool yourselves this week: What if we kill a guy? Would you view that as lasting damage?"
Also on the October 31 Countdown, Olbermann named Fox News host John Gibson the "runner-up" in his "Worst Person" segment for criticizing an "NBC news anchor" on the October 30 edition of Fox News' The Big Story for offering Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) advice on what he "needs to say" about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) -- one day after Gibson himself had offered Obama advice, telling him that he needed "a new attack" if he was going to "close the gap with Hillary," as Media Matters also documented.
From the October 31 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:
OLBERMANN: First, time for Countdown's Worst Persons in the World.
The bronze to Major League Baseball, which, as The New York Times and Mike Schmidt revealed today, is probably tipping off its players about supposedly surprise testing for steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs. The drug testing units are told to contact the home team a day or more before going to the ballpark to get passes to park at and enter the stadium. This would tend to eliminate the surprise part of the surprise tests. And, yes, there are drugs that can mask the presence of steroids, and they can be effective in 24 hours or less.
The runner-up, John Gibson of Fox Noise. Honestly, is anybody down the block here paying attention? Yesterday on his show he hosts - I'm sorry, show he now co-hosts, he rips Chris Matthews for saying on Hardball what he would tell Senator Obama to say at the debate to try to overtake Senator Clinton. Gibbie says, "Is it legitimate for one news anchor to publicly advise one candidate on how to defeat another and still try to pretend he's objective and neutral in his news presentations. My friends, fair and balanced that is not."
That was yesterday. On Monday, Gibson publicly advised one candidate on how to defeat another. "You'd think Obama could be tougher than that," he advised. "That's attacking Hillary? Obama better wake up. That isn't even throwing an elbow." Monday he does it. Tuesday he criticizes somebody else for doing it. Somebody better inform [inaudible].
But our winner: Morton Kondracke, also, of course, of "Fixed News," explaining that waterboarding not only isn't illegal, it doesn't even really affect the waterboardee: "I'm sure it feels like torture, you know. It doesn't result in any lasting damage, but it feels like torture." OK, two things, Dr. Kondracke: A month ago, one of the top shrinks at the famous Bellevue Hospital testified to the Senate that when it's done right, waterboarding can produce panic attacks, post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, and other kinds of lasting damage.
But here's the thing, Mort -- here's the thing you need to be thinking about late at night when it's real quiet: What happens if one of our guys doing the waterboarding does it wrong? What if he produces not a panic attack but a heart attack? What if he pours too much water over the detainee and actually suffocates him? This is what you nitwits keep thinking about torture, and forgetting about enhanced interrogation or I-can't-believe-it's-not-torture or whatever phrase you're using to fool yourselves this week: What if we kill a guy? Would you view that as lasting damage? Plus, you don't even get the secrets he's making up to get you to stop making him feel just like he is being tortured because he's dead. Morton Kondracke of "Fox Noise," today's Worst Person in the World.











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Could not agree with Olbermann any more that I do on this one. Anyone who supports Waterboarding is a disgusting person in my mind.
J as you know we have had some debates and discussions on the WPITW, but I agree with you . Mort really reached a new low with that statement.
Anybody who places the "rights" of terrorists above the safety of the American people is a disgusting person in my mind.
I think we can all agree on that, rino. Are you arguing with anybody in particular,or just supporting your local straw farmer?
Again you pretend that only terrorists would be tortured. You are LYING. When did you claim that only those convicted of terrorism should be tortured? It is a stupid tactic of demonizing a victim and pretending they deserve whatever happens to them. Its like saying why should we give murderers trails we ought to just hang them. YOU are sick, depraved and have no decency.
When did you claim that only those convicted of terrorism should be tortured?
You, Solon, are an absolute idiot. A terrorist isn't put on trial (which would take years) and then water boarded to extract information. What good would that do? The water boarding is done first, before the ACLU and IRC come to their rescue and prevent the interrogators from saving American lives.
Also, the trial is held before the hanging.
Leave it to BrutusMoronicus to show us just how ignorant a wingnut can get. Either he is a master of satire leftwinger doing a masterful job of exposing the abject stupidity of rightwing bedwetters or a moron of astonishing dimensions. His post was SO stupid I will just let it sit there like the performance art it is. Hanging in the air like a fetid odor. Call it study in stupidity in black and white.
blah blah ignorant a wingnut blah blah leftwinger blah blah abject stupidity blah blah rightwing bedwetters blah blah moron blah blah SO stupid blah blah fetid odor...
As usual Solon demonstrates his inability to make a point or coherent argument.
blah blah ignorant a wingnut blah blah leftwinger blah blah abject stupidity blah blah rightwing bedwetters blah blah moron blah blah SO stupid blah blah fetid odor...
As usual Solon demonstrates his inability to make a point or coherent argument.
You might want to double check that.
So BrutallyMoronic, you come in and call me an idiot, Show my point, then say something monumentally stupid as is your MO. So what is the evidence someone being tortured is a TERRORIST? Are you claiming they are because that would be PROVEN wrong. We renditioned Mahar Arar, he was sent to Syria for ten months of torture, let out over Bush administration objections and no one even CLAIMS he was a terrorists no one EVER claimed he was a terrorist. We just thought he MIGHT have some information about people who MIGHT be terrorists. So of course this tactic of demonizing the victims in MASS in order to justify doing the unjustifyable is stupid, which makes it right up your ally. I continued to make that point by the comment that its like saying why do we give murderers trials we should just hang them. You cleverly say we give murderers trial before we hang them. DUH that is the point it isnt established they ARE murderers until the trial MORON. Are you claiming it is established these people being tortured are terrorists because someone in the Bush administration SAYS they are? That isnt how it works for THAT reason saying we are torturing terrorists is a red herring it is a disengenuous framing, and YOU are a moron.
The most successful interrogator of WWII, "broke" his subjects by playing chess with them.
Building relationships and displaying to your captive that you're not that bad, that maybe he should help you, is simply a more effective and reliable method of information extraction.
But go ahead argue for torture, dehumanize your enemy. I'm sure you'll get special exemptions come judgment day.
Rino, where in my statement did I say I supported terrorists? Waterboarding is torture. The United States has no right and should never torture anyone, we will lose our standing in the world ( we all ready have ) . How dare you even suggest that I am supporting terrorists?
Just for the record , we all did comment on this yesterday
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710310004?f=h_latest
But, Sue...yesterday seems so long ago.
So what do we comment on today? the story or Olbermann, I was always attacked when I would comment on Olbermann on these types of threads. Just trying to see what we all think is topic or off topic and why the need for 2 stories on the same topic?
Let's just not lose sight of what's important, Sue. You got your wish again, another Olbermann thread. It's like Christmas everyday for you at MMFA.
Merry Christmas Pete
What do you have against free speech?
You know, the freedom to comment on something as many times as you'd like.
If this doesn't put the rumors to rest that Olbermann gets his material directly from this website, putting John Gibson up here for this is ridiculous......by anyone's standards. Time to retire this schtick Keith.......
Well Tommy as long as the viewers who watch him like it , it will stay on. But you are 100% correct, Olby does get all of his material from this site . It is ridiculous but so is all of MSNBC.
why is it ridiculous? rushbo advertises drudge on his cam and both he, hannity, and hume all check the website for their latest marching orders on what to talk about. if drudge sets their daily agenda why cant keith use mmfa for 1/16 of his daily program?
well if Keith wants to be like Rush the Druggie and Drudge more power to him, just because one person does a ridiculous thing does not mean others should. Should Keith start taking Oxy Cotin?
Sueeld, that statement is why i love you. You are a unique poster. Bless you!!
pretty lame analogy, i think mine was better. keith is a dem analyst just like they are repub analysts. i wish he was more neutral but if being dem-sided gets the ratings and counters billo then im fine with it. at least what he takes from this site only covers a fraction of his show and has actual truth to it, unlike neocon propaganda spewed to the masses of morons by rushbo
Gen, I do not want to speak for Sue, but I do not consider Keith Olbermann a "Dem" analyst. he does cover major news events for MSNBC, Rush Limbaugh does not anchor any news events for anyone but himself. MSNBC is non partisan.
General can you say anything more intelligent than Billo and Rusho?
you still having explained why exposing the outrageous things that other people say and that the main stream media chooses to ignore in a 2minute segment at the end of your show is ridiculous. would you rather have him do body language, pop culture quiz, tv icon of the week, call out a democrat(sic) pinhead, promote some neocon poll showing rudy winning the election, on and on. please tell us what keith can do to make a better segment that also exposes neocon lies. please tell us why it is ridiculous to use 3rd party research when all the facts line up? isnt that part of journalism?
Olbermann has never been at a Dem fund raiser the way Hannity was caught at a Giuliani affair.
He's often been critical of congressional Dems too.
...also Olbermann wasn't invited to address Congress this year the way Limbaugh was when the Repubs regained control in 1994.
Johnny you're the greatest
I think I've missed something... How is Olbermann getting material from this website a ridiculous thing?
because there are other sources besides MMFA.
Are you claiming that Olbermann uses no other sources?
Are you positive he isn't getting his material from them?
By the way: Congrats RJC! Your "I-can't-believe-it's-not-torture" from yesterday's Kondrake story made the national news!
I noticed that too.
It seems that the Tommy/Sueeld thinktank has concluded that KO, without a doubt, gets his material exclusively from MMFA.
Unless (and this is far-fetched) it's possible that there is some overlap in what two sources consider the stoopidest things done by politicians and media people in a given day.
The comparisons to Rush/Drudge etc. are a little off, as what they echo off of each other are, for the most part, crap.
That is, two liberal outlets noticing the same ridiculous thing about conservatives on the same day;probable
Two conservative outlets making the same "mistake" , or misrepresenting something in exactly the same way on the same day;more than coincidence.
Worst Person in the World Oct. 31: Morton Kondracke Oct. 30: Bill O'Reilly Oct. 29: Department of Homeland Security Dana Perino Oct. 24: Michelle Malkin Oct. 23: CIA Oct. 22: Tom Gross
Hey Guv, where do you think MMfH gets their information from? Even with Soros money, I doubt they have a staff of 50 crack reporters in spread across the country digging up original stories for Keith to plagiarize.
And face it, Lefty's right: When something is REALLY stoopid, it doesn't take Einstein to recognize it.
Thanks, neondesert, I understand tommy and sueeld's conspiracy theory even less now.
Muddying up the waters, Governor. It's what I do best.
I beg the difference. Do you actually get out and talk to people? I do and they do believe those things that are so obviously ridiculous to you to be the truth. For example I heard on CNN that if you are convicted of crack cocaine you receive a prison sentence. But if it is powdered cocaine you receive probation. It is obvious this law is racially bias. I had a guy argue with me this morning.
"Tommy/Sueeld thinktank"
Almost spit out my coffee laughing.
Governor,
I have no problem with Keith cherry picking this site.
I just find it funny that MMFA uses Olbermann's Worst Person to recycle their previous threads.
Oh well... everybody does re-runs, why not MMFA. :-)
This is "Kondrake Redux: The Theatrical Release", Barn. Hardly a rerun. I suggest going back and checking out the director's cut version to experience the true ambience of the piece.
So some days are slower news days. I often think this site strains at nats but there is space to fill. I have less problem recycling Olbermann because I often missed it first time around. I have more trouble with --the interviewer didnt confront on each point-- sort of story. Sometimes its just slow new days and you get the stuff that is hardly of any import.
I think Media Matters should have its own radio and TV program. Short of that, if Keith Olbermann has to be its talking head, I'm all for it.
"Olby does get all of his material from this site."
ALL OF IT??
Does he get his interview questions from MMFA?
Does MMFA write the first half hour of his show?
Does MMFA write his Special Comments?
Does Keith tap MMFA for the Oddball clips?
Here I thought it he used MMFA just for Worst Person, tapping someone else's research for this throwaway filler segment.
I've been duped!
What is so funny is if O'Reilly or Hannity had a segment on their show where they blasted the left by parroting some rightwing website every day, it would be open hunting season on Bill and Sean constantly, decrying it for bias and the rightwing noise machine slanted media.
But since it's the other way around, it's all just really cool...........
That is the more interesting point with all of this.
What do you mean, "if"?
"if" it was just a segment, and not the entire show. Although with Fox, the websites and am radio, it's sort of a chicken/egg riddle after the info leaves the White House. ;0)
If Bill-O and Vannity have the ability to quote people accurately and refute it with facts, figures or findings from people more knowledgeable than the media head in question (just like Keith did with Kondracke), I guess the question then becomes, why don't they??
Are they too preoccupied with lapel pins, haircuts and "Happy Holidays" banners to stop and see what's going on in the wild world of for-profit media?
Or maybe the lies of the left just aren't plentiful enough to justify a daily 3-minute segment of airtime.
why? its good material and most of it deserves to make the airwaves. not like he spends more than a minute on each piece anyway
yesterday Gibson had that dufus Monica Crowley on. Why I call her " dufus " ? She actually said Chris Mathews is a democrat, trying to tie in that his paycheck comes from NBC.
Alot in the MSM feel this way because he worked for Tip O'Neill.
maybe someone should play hardball in reverse and ask him how he votes ?
Wolf, maybe Monica's mad at being fired from MSNBC. Remember she had a short lived show on MSNBC with Ron Regan so following Fox's orders to criticize NBC would be right up her alley.
I believe monica crowley was ticked off being paired with the real Ronnie reagan's son. I had the impression she was very unconfortable with Ron 's quick wit and challenges to her remarks.
"I can't believe it's not torture."
Great line.
Kondracke and Hume's show is such a joke..I watched it last night for the first time and I can't believe anyone watching it could believe it's anything but conservative spin on all issues...they were defending Blackwater last night.
I'm no nut...I think it's worth debate on whether things like isolation, sleep disturbance, drugging, etc are "torture" in all circumstances. But waterboarding? Pleeeeaaaaasse. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
Curious if this continuing Olberman hype constitutes conservative misinformation or advancement of an agenda.
From the pages of Media Matters straight to Keith Olbermann's teleprompter. They might as well change the name of his show to "Media Matters with Keith Olbermann".
Hmm, yeah. Could be.
Then again, it could be from the mouth of a partisan moron straight to those who recognize it as bovine leakage, and ridiculed en masse.
Out of curiosity, does that seem familiar?
We's quietly pround.
Why not two separate shows. There's certainly enough material.
Spread the wealth y'know.
Hotwings, nah it would have to compete with: RushLimboBillOreillyWeLoveSexAsLongWeAreTheOnlyOnesHavingIt otherwise known as HYPOCRITES ARE US.
Morton Kondracke of "Fox Noise," today's Worst Person in the World.
Amen! I was dumbfounded; I honestly can't imagine what he was thinking, saying that.
As everyone well knows, someone I consider an expert in the horror use of waterboarding, you know, someone who was waterboarded himself clearly has defined waterboarding as torture. You see, these far right nuts do not even listen to their own experts. Amazing after all that McCain went through and after his very direct statement about the illegality of waterboarding that anyone even thinks it is the thing to do. As to the earlier statment that criticized those of us who oppose this illegality, let me suggest you get out our treaty agreements and then tell me you think it is ok to waterboard anyone. Or perhaps you think treaty's are made to be broken. If you think it is so simple of a treatment, sign up to be waterboarded and then tell us if you think it is torture or not. As a nurse I worked in a hospital that treated patients with lung disorders. I saw the horrible Xray of someone who had been waterboardeed in WW2. Not only is it torture at the time of the happening, it is torturous for years both psychologically and physically. One wonders what this administration has done to push this ungodly type of treatment authorized by our own government. They may have succeeded in making our country the pariah of the world all the while spouting religiosity.
the more i think about, the more i realize that mr. olberman is actually being kind to these people. instead of "the worst person in the world" award, it should really be called "the biggest dumbass in the world" award, because that's what these people truly are.
however, that probably wouldn't pass the network censors. the good thing is, most of his targets self-inflict their wounds, for everyone to see, so he doesn't have to actually call it what it is. fortunately, they have such small audiences, that even if it were to follow the recent voting %, it would have no discernible impact on any race, anywhere in the country.
Olbermann is teh MAN! Olbermann for president!!!
Between Keith Olbermann, Media Matters and Snopes.com, George W. Bush's classic quote have never been more true:
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, can't get fooled again!"