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MSNBC's Geist: "[S]ome people looked at those clips of Hillary Clinton on Saturday and thought, perhaps, about the b-word"

February 25, 2008 7:15 pm ET

On MSNBC Live, co-host Willie Geist stated that "some people ... thought, perhaps, about the b-word" when viewing "clips" of Sen. Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail on February 23. Geist made the statement while discussing a segment from the February 23 edition of NBC's Saturday Night Live in which comedian Tina Fey said, "[M]aybe what bothers me the most is that people say that Hillary is a bitch. Let me say something about that. Yeah, she is. And so am I."

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During the 9 a.m. ET hour of the February 25 edition of MSNBC Live, co-host Willie Geist stated that "some people ... thought, perhaps, about the b-word" when viewing "clips" of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on the campaign trail on February 23. Geist made the statement while discussing a segment from the February 23 edition of NBC's Saturday Night Live in which comedian Tina Fey said, "[M]aybe what bothers me the most is that people say that Hillary is a bitch. Let me say something about that. Yeah, she is. And so am I."

After the clip aired, Geist asserted, "Like all good comedy, it speaks to some truth. And some people looked at those clips of Hillary Clinton on Saturday and thought, perhaps, about the b-word ... and about her being too aggressive. But she's doing what she has to do." Co-host Mika Brzezinski then said, "[Former Clinton press secretary] Dee Dee Myers brought that up on Morning Joe with us. And she was saying, you know, unfortunately, when she saw Hillary Clinton this weekend saying shame on you, Barack Obama, and making fun of the whole Obama movement, that she came off looking in a way that only a female candidate can look to some people -- that unfortunately, there is still a double standard. And for Dee Dee Myers -- who's written a book, Why Women Should Rule the World -- you would think, you know, she wouldn't want to believe that that is true, but she does." Geist added, "She's honest about it. She said she actually cringed when she saw that -- maybe not for herself, but because she knew how other people would react to it. So Tina Fey makes a joke about it, but there's actually something to it in the end."

Media Matters for America has documented numerous examples of media figures using the word "bitch" in reference to Clinton.

  • On the February 18 edition of Fox Business News' Cavuto, host Neil Cavuto said of Clinton, "[S]he's trying to run away from this tough, kind of bitchy image that her critics claim that she has, wouldn't that reinforce that image and actually help Barack Obama?"
  • On the March 15, 2007, broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Glenn Beck said: "Hillary Clinton cannot be elected president because ... there's something about her vocal range." He went on to say, "There's something about her voice that just drives me -- it's not what she says, it's how she says it," adding, "She is like the stereotypical -- excuse the expression, but this is the way to -- she's the stereotypical bitch, you know what I mean?"
  • Politico chief political columnist Roger Simon began his November 16, 2007, column about Clinton by asserting, "The (rhymes with rich) is back."
  • On the November 14, 2007, edition of CNN's American Morning, during a discussion with co-anchor Kiran Chetry about John McCain's response to a question during a campaign event in Hilton Head, South Carolina, where a questioner asked, "How do we beat the bitch?" -- presumably referring to Clinton -- Politico chief political correspondent Mike Allen said, "[W]hat Republican voter hasn't thought that? What voter in general hasn't thought that?"

From the 9 a.m. ET hour of the February 25 edition of MSNBC Live:

BRZEZINSKI: Oh, my -- I can't stop. Every time I see it I laugh. She's [Tina Fey] amazing.

GEIST: She's good. But you know what? Like all good comedy, it speaks to some truth. And some people looked at those clips of Hillary Clinton on Saturday and thought, perhaps, about the b-word --

BRZEZINSKI: Well --

GEIST: -- and about her being too aggressive. But she's doing what she has to do.

BRZEZINSKI: [Former Clinton press secretary] Dee Dee Myers brought that up on Morning Joe with us. And she was saying, you know, unfortunately, when she saw Hillary Clinton this weekend saying shame on you, Barack Obama, and making fun of the whole Obama movement, that she came off looking in a way that only a female candidate can look to some people -- that unfortunately, there is still a double standard. And for Dee Dee Myers -- who's written a book, Why Women Should Rule the World -- you would think, you know, she wouldn't want to believe that that is true, but she does.

GEIST: She's honest about it. She said she actually cringed when she saw that -- maybe not for herself, but because she knew how other people would react to it. So Tina Fey makes a joke about it, but there's actually something to it in the end.

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    • Author by TomJoad (February 25, 2008 7:24 pm ET)
         
      On the one hand, an opinion that Hillary Clinton is hard and tough seems vaild. On the other much bigger hand, its inherently sexist to judge this characteristic as a negative in her, when it would so evidently be a positive if it was a male candidate. On top of that, b#### is simply not an acceptable term to apply to a woman on a show like this, (if ever) and especially not someone with HC's prestige.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 26, 2008 12:33 am ET)
           

        These guys at MSNBC just don't care, do they?

        I mean, they just don't care. 

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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (February 25, 2008 7:32 pm ET)
         
      I dont know, I think Old GW is a B###, and I dont think that is positive even if you consider him a man.
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    • Author by pete592 (February 25, 2008 7:57 pm ET)
         

      "SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT..."

      Now that's journalism.  That's impeccable sourcing.  I'm geekin' out over how astute this guy is.

      </sarc> 

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    • Author by solon (February 25, 2008 8:21 pm ET)
         
      And maybe some people listened to Willy G and thought about the M word.
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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (February 25, 2008 8:24 pm ET)
         
      M word? mother F'er?
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    • Author by Clevenative (February 25, 2008 9:06 pm ET)
         

      I'm sooo sick of hearing this b-word blah, blah, blah.

       

      Maybe, like the gays’ self-deprecating slogan of the late 70’s and 80’s, “We’re here, we’re queer – get over it”, if Hillary wins the presidency, her first press release should be a simple.. “Found my niche, I’m a bitc# – get over it.

       

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      • Author by atheist (February 26, 2008 3:06 pm ET)
           

        I'd like to see a gay man make a presidential bid.

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        • Author by commonsenseliberal (February 26, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
             
          OK OK, I can take a hint. I'll run after Hillary and Barack have served their terms (16 years total), so in January, 2024, this gay man will announce his candidacy for the presidency. 
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          • Author by atheist (February 27, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
               
            Maybe the vitriol against gays is so played out even the most hard-core haters can't even muster enough energy to spew more.  In which case you just might win !  And it would be FA BU LOUS !!!!!  :-)
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    • Author by fromthesouthland (February 26, 2008 8:56 am ET)
         

      Good for Hillary!  She can't win with the sexists .  She's either too soft or too hard.  What she is showing me is that she has a range of emotions that are appropriate for the occasion.  That's what we need in a President  I didn't even like Hillary to begin with - thought she was too stoic, but  have begun recently to change my mind and look at her more objectively and I'm liking what I see.

      They still consider her a threat or she wouldn't be getting this much press time.

       

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    • Author by (February 26, 2008 12:38 pm ET)
         

      I am truly amazed at the level hate that is in America! I used to be an avid fan of MSNBC but since all this election crap I am so not into the majoarity of the team with the exception of Dan Abrams. He seems to be the one News person who talks like he knows whats going on. He is fair he talks about Hilary and Barak equally. The others from the crew at Morning Joe to Tucker Carlson are just like empty vessels. Keith I had like some what but he too is on this part where he is getting just as bad with his choice of words and jabs to describe Hilary. These guys at MSNBC are allowed to say what ever they want and BRZEZINSKI allows Joe to talk to her in such fashion that sometimes she appears dazed. Chris Mathews is right behind Tucker and I am not sure which is the lesser of the two evils.

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    • Author by atheist (February 26, 2008 3:04 pm ET)
         

      Why doesn't Brzezinski have a spine ????

      I'm sick of these women who put their careers over being a decent human being.  One big reason we still have sexism, the outrageous proliferation of porn (including kiddie porn), glass ceiling, domestic violence, rape, and a whole lot of other wrongs against women in our society is because women don't stand up to this sh*t !  Visible women like Brzezinski and women in power could help correct the wrongs ... but they don't, because they are too worried about their own personal financial well being.  So they sit back and do nothing like lazy stupid dumb f*cks.

      (I'm inna MOOD today !)

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    • Author by edella1793 (February 26, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
         
      Now that's not fair. She might be incredibly energetic and intelligent in her sexual intercourse. Not to mention you're criticizing her for not standing up against this sexism, yet you call her a lazy dumb f*ck.
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    • Author by Isthisagreatcountryorwhat (February 26, 2008 5:32 pm ET)
         

      Let's see-Tina Fey is a brilliant writer, brilliant actress, an improvisational acting goddess, a superstar of SNL, has her own network sitcom, and American Express commercial.....

      And Willie Giest?  Who??? I don't even know if that's the man or the woman in the picture above.  So, Mr. or Ms. Giest, what have you done with your life?  Oh, okay..................

       

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