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On Hardball, Matthews and Shuster critiqued Obama's "weird" beverage selection at Indiana diner

April 11, 2008 2:52 pm ET

On Hardball, while remarking on Sen. Barack Obama's reported request for orange juice after being offered coffee at an Indiana diner, David Shuster asserted: "[I]t's just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, 'Here, have some coffee,' you say, 'Yes, thank you,' and, 'Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?' You don't just say, 'No, I'll take orange juice,' and then turn away and start shaking hands." Host Chris Matthews agreed, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu."

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On the April 10 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, after reporting that Sen. Barack Obama "campaigned today in northern Indiana, shaking hands and chatting with people at a diner near South Bend," MSNBC correspondent David Shuster stated to host Chris Matthews: "Well, here's the other thing that we saw on the tape, Chris, is that, when Obama went in, he was offered coffee, and he said, 'I'll have orange juice.' " Matthews replied, "No," to which Shuster responded: "He did." Shuster continued: "And it's just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, 'Here, have some coffee,' you say, 'Yes, thank you,' and, 'Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?' You don't just say, 'No, I'll take orange juice,' and then turn away and start shaking hands." Matthews added, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu," and then said: "David, what a regular guy. You could do this. ... I mean, go to the diners." Matthews then began an interview with Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), an Obama supporter, by asking Casey: "Isn't that interesting, Senator Casey, that Barack Obama, your candidate, can walk before 15,000 people with complete calm and assurance, but he seems a little out of place in A) a bowling alley and B) a diner? What is the problem with your guy?"

Earlier in his discussion with Shuster, Matthews asserted that Obama is "not that good at that -- handshaking in a diner," adding: "Barack doesn't seem to know how to do that right." Shuster agreed, stating: "He doesn't do that well." Matthews then asserted: "What's so hard about doing a diner? I don't get it. Why doesn't he go in there and say, 'Did you see the papers today? What do you think about that team? How did we do last night?' Just some regular connection?" Matthews also asked Shuster, referring to Obama's support among college students versus support for Sen. Hillary Clinton: "So you think the college crowd can beat the regular people there, if it comes down to that, in terms of Hillary's support?"

As Media Matters for America noted, Matthews has previously suggested that the Democratic Party does not consist of "regular people," and that African-Americans and college graduates are not "regular people." During the April 8 edition of Hardball, after playing a clip of Clinton bowling on the April 7 edition of the syndicated The Ellen DeGeneres Show, Matthews asserted, "Well, it looks like bowlers won't have a champion in the race at all. I'm actually surprised by the fact that neither Barack or Hillary have bowled much in their lives. Maybe that tells you something about the Democratic Party." During the April 1 edition of Hardball, Matthews referred to Obama's bowling performance at a March 29 campaign stop at Pleasant Valley Lanes in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and asked, "[C]an Obama woo more regular voters -- you know, the ones who actually do know how to bowl?" During a segment on that same program, Matthews asked Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), "Let me ask you about how he -- how's he connect with regular people? Does he? Or does he only appeal to people who come from the African-American community and from the people who have college or advanced degrees?" In addition, during MSNBC's February 5 coverage of that day's primary contests, Matthews suggested to Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean that he should be concerned about the party's lack of broad appeal, noting polls showing a large number of "college graduates" and voters of a "high economic and social echelon" voting in the Democratic primaries. Matthews added, "I just wonder where regular people are in this."

From the April 10 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

SHUSTER: As for Barack Obama, he campaigned today in northern Indiana, shaking hands and chatting with people at a diner near South Bend. Then Obama headed to Gary, Indiana, where he spoke in front of a raucous crowd at Roosevelt High School. Obama's theme was the economy. He sharply criticized John McCain's support for extending the Bush tax cuts. And Obama said, McCain's housing plan, announced today, does not go far enough.

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SHUSTER: Well, look, Chris, seriously, though, keep an eye on these college towns in Indiana, because I was just talking a few minutes ago, there are -- in a close primary, especially in a conservative state --

MATTHEWS: Right.

SHUSTER: -- you have a lot of people in -- who may be Democrats in a place like Indiana. Watch turnout in places like Bloomington, Terre Haute --

MATTHEWS: So you think the college crowd can beat the regular people there, if it comes down to that, in terms of Hillary's support?

SHUSTER: In a state like Indiana, if Obama can turn out the large crowds in the college towns --

MATTHEWS: Did you see him there?

SHUSTER: -- but that's --

MATTHEWS: He's not that good at that -- handshaking in a diner.

SHUSTER: No --

MATTHEWS: Barack doesn't seem to know how to do that right.

SHUSTER: -- he doesn't do that well. But then you see him in front of 15,000 people in some of these college towns, and that's why, Chris, we've seen Chelsea Clinton and Bill Clinton in Bloomington and South Bend and Terre Haute. I mean --

MATTHEWS: What's so hard about doing a diner? I don't get it. Why doesn't he go in there and say, "Did you see the papers today? What do you think about that team? How did we do last night?" Just some regular connection?

SHUSTER: Well, here's the other thing that we saw on the tape, Chris, is that, when Obama went in, he was offered coffee, and he said, "I'll have orange juice."

MATTHEWS: No.

SHUSTER: He did.

And it's just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, "Here, have some coffee," you say, "Yes, thank you," and, "Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?" You don't just say, "No, I'll take orange juice," and then turn away and start shaking hands. That's what happens [unintelligible] --

MATTHEWS: You don't ask for a substitute on the menu.

SHUSTER: Exactly.

MATTHEWS: David, what a regular guy. You could do this. Anyway, thank you, David Shuster. I mean, go to the diners.

Here you have a guy that can do it. Senator Bob Casey of Pennsylvania is out on campaign. He campaigned all throughout the state lately for Barack Obama.

Isn't that interesting, Senator Casey, that Barack Obama, your candidate, can walk before 15,000 people with complete calm and assurance, but he seems a little out of place in A) a bowling alley and B) a diner? What is the problem with your guy?

CASEY: Chris, he was fine in the bowling alley. His score was a little low. But I was able -- it was the only thing I was able to beat him at during our bus tour. But he had a great response.

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    • Author by wzwriter (April 11, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
         

      Host Chris Matthews agreed, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu."

      Is Tweety THIS desperate for "news"????

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      • Author by SFnomad (April 11, 2008 3:52 pm ET)
           

        At least he didn't ask for a mother f'n orange juice  Oh wait, that's a different idiotic talking head.

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      • Author by socal7425 (April 11, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
           
        Does anyone see anything just a bit kinky in this Chris Matthews bowling fetish?  And if someone asks you if you'd like a cup of coffee and you say you'd like orange juice instead..just what is it again that's "weird" about that?  Could it be that these gasbags are trying to prove they are somehow NOT in the tank for Obama?
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (April 11, 2008 11:08 pm ET)
             

          I can't believe that a diner would have orange juice! I mean, what was Obama thinking?

          What's next, some kind of wierd cheese on his Philly steak sand? Boy these Dems!

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      • Author by tangaroa (April 12, 2008 9:56 pm ET)
           

        Host Chris Matthews agreed, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu."

         

        Uh, Chris, isn't that the whole point of a menu? It gives you a choice of things to order. 

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    • Author by wzwriter (April 11, 2008 3:01 pm ET)
         

      Here's another thought.  Some people cannot drink coffee, because of the caffein.  For example, I know that if my wife has even one cup of regular coffee in teh morning, she has trouble sleeping that night.

      Perhaps Barack Obama is one of theose people who either cannot drink coffee, or  - heven forbid - doesn't LIKE coffee.  Did Tweety think of THAT?????

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      • Author by therick (April 11, 2008 3:16 pm ET)
           
        AHA ! ! !  It's a well known fact that Mozlems hate coffee !  It was a bunch of patriots that dumped tea in the Boston Harbor, and then began drinking coffee.  We finally have difinitive proof about this wretched, Anti-American, Anti-Christian.   :-)
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    • Author by worrierking (April 11, 2008 3:02 pm ET)
         
      Enough with the bowling alley!

      Maybe the guy doesn't like coffee. Maybe since he's trying to be an ex-smoker he associates coffee with a cigarette and would rather avoid them both until he's got the habit kicked.

      And why wasn't this idiot putting his journalistic foot into GW's ass in 2004 instead of admiring his package?
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (April 11, 2008 11:16 pm ET)
           

        Who the hell bowls these days, anyway? What is this, Ralph Kramden time or something?

        If you took the top off of Matthews head, worms would crawl out. In actuality, this wierd, hackneyed imagery of his is just bigotry, plain and simple.

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    • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (April 11, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
         

      How is this "news?"  It doesn't inform anyone about anything.

      In addition to that, there's precious little of an actual event for Matthews and company to "report" on or analyze.  Since there's no "there there," the entire discussion revolves around suppositions and inferences.  In short, there's no substance.

      Those of us who recall the "news" analysis about John Kerry ordering cheesesteak in 2004 will easily recognize what's going on here -- the marginalizing of Obama by a media determined to sabotage all Democratic candidates. 

      What a colossal waste of time, money, effort and broadcast time.

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      • Author by mary59 (April 11, 2008 3:06 pm ET)
           
        All of the above. (as posted before my posting time...no accounting for argumentative folk who post after...)
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (April 11, 2008 11:09 pm ET)
           

        "Those of us who recall the "news" analysis about John Kerry ordering cheesesteak in 2004 will easily recognize what's going on here -- the marginalizing of Obama by a media determined to sabotage all Democratic candidates. "

        That's exactly it.  

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    • Author by Sueelldd (April 11, 2008 3:10 pm ET)
         
      Matthews is such a fool. I can not drink coffee my heart races. Plus OJ is better for you. Hey Matthews and the rest of your MSNBC hating crew, go to hell!!!
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      • Author by therick (April 11, 2008 3:20 pm ET)
           

        "Hey Matthews and the rest of your MSNBC hating crew, go to hell!!!"--Sueeld  [Bold-mine]

        Some might interpret that as a "Pot/Kettle" type of statement.  :-)

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      • Author by JLyons (April 11, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
           

        MSNBC is by far the worst network on cable news.


        Why did the network of Imus not replace him with a African American?  Even Imus now has 2 African Americans on his radio program, Instead we get smart a** remarks from Scarborugh, matthews, Olberhater and Abrams. Disgusting network.

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        • Author by dbeden4153 (April 12, 2008 9:34 am ET)
             
          Really?  Maybe a bit of hyperbole on your part?  I mean, have you forgotten Fox News and the 300 flags in every shot?
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      • Author by rojo7449 (April 12, 2008 2:54 am ET)
           
        No it isn't.  Obama could have been more gracious about it. "Thank you, I don't drink coffee, but I'd be grateful for orange juice, or water."
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        • Author by mary59 (April 12, 2008 10:15 am ET)
             
          This is really reaching for something, anything to be critical of. I wonder if YOU would come out well if you were followed around everywhere with a camera?
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    • Author by jeter2 (April 11, 2008 3:10 pm ET)
         

      Wow the things one learns about campaigning from Chrissie. Who knew you couldn't ask for an O.J instead of coffee?

      What other important diner rules can Matthews clear up for us? How about when to ask for margerine or butter? Jelly or jam? Toast or bagels? Eggs, scrambled or over easy?

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      • Author by thomp.steve9098 (April 11, 2008 3:17 pm ET)
           
        I agree Jeters. I mean, who would have thunk it. Before CM came along I rudely thought that I should drink what I want, totally oblivious that that was poor manners
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        • Author by worrierking (April 11, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
             
          I'd be willing to bet that Tweety is now too classy to eat scrapple at the diner.
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          • Author by mary59 (April 12, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
               
            Tweety is offered coffee at a diner. He bats it away accidentally while he engages the waitress:

            "What's so great about me is that I get ordinary waitresses like you... Did you see the papers today? What do you think about that team, you know, the one you like? How did we do last night?"
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      • Author by therick (April 11, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
           

        I wonder if he prefers white, whole wheat, or rye toast ?  I'm certain Tweety could spin that into a negative regardless of which he prefers.

         

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        • Author by shaggles (April 11, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
             
          OMG!  I can almost hear it now.  "And he asked for whole wheat toast.  Whole wheat.  Not just wheat.  I'm mean that's kind of...Isn't that kind of health-nut elitist?  WHOLE wheat.  Not just wheat?  Or what's the matter with white?  Is he trying say something...send a message to the African American community?"
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          • Author by juliajayne (April 11, 2008 4:40 pm ET)
               
            I can't eat wheat gluten and would have refused toast of any kind. Does that make me elitist?
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 11, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
                 
              More of your intolerance on display, Julia.
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              • Author by juliajayne (April 11, 2008 10:02 pm ET)
                   
                Hush up you radical leftist. I won't tolerate back talk from the likes of you! :-0)
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 12, 2008 4:04 am ET)
                     

                  Your vitriol against wheat gluten is obvious. I don't think you realize how partisan you are.You make my point by resorting to your hatred-filled rants. Why don't we discuss the issues?

                  (Are my impressions getting better? Guess who that was.)

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                  • Author by juliajayne (April 12, 2008 10:02 am ET)
                       

                    My contempt for wheat gluten aside, it's either one of two posters. Or maybe a composite of the two. I will give you artistic license O' Clever One.

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                  • Author by eweston8542983 (April 12, 2008 12:59 pm ET)
                       
                    Guy Lobardo?
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                  • Author by worrierking (April 12, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
                       

                    It can't be me since I entered Hateful Ageists Anonymous.

                    I'm on the step where I have to make amends. I have to apologize to that rancid, old...

                    I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time. I might have to go back to step one. 

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    • Author by Eric Jaffa (April 11, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
         

      Chris Matthews also asks in the video, "you think the college crowd can beat the regular people there?"

       If you're in college, you're not a "regular" person, to Chris Matthews.

       

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 11, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
           
        Orange juice? what the hell is that, some sort of Islamofascist delicacy?Weird. No thanks, I'll stick with my giant porcelain clam shell, filled with flaming squid ink and vodka.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (April 11, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
             

          Oh your pore liver.

          I usually get up, get trapped in the clamshell, then someone pours flaming squid ink on my head, while an elephant in my pajamas on the tv drinks vodka.

          He frowns real good.

          But not as good as Ming!!

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 11, 2008 4:22 pm ET)
               
            The elephant is on your TV? that's just weird, and a shock hazard.
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (April 11, 2008 4:38 pm ET)
                 
              I usually remember to warn people. The insurance company found my claim quite humorus, cause of damage: surprise.
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            • Author by tangaroa (April 12, 2008 9:34 pm ET)
                 
              and now, it's 9:00, and time for the penguin (or elephant?) on your TV to explode...
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      • Author by therick (April 11, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
           
        Must be he changed his tune ever so slightly.  His other statement was Minorities and College educated were outside the norm.
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      • Author by pete592 (April 11, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
           
        "Regular folks" sure gets used a lot in the political vernacular.  By now it has so many different definitions that it's got me thinking we just might be living in a country made up of numerous different races, nationalities, religions, occupations, and income levels.
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    • Author by pete592 (April 11, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
         

      Note to campaigning Dems...

      Since there is no correct way to tip or order a beverage at diners, they should be avoided altogether.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (April 11, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
         

      Hell, now I must return to every diner I've been to and apologize for not accepting coffee. Adios, see you in about a year.

      I wonder how Tweety got through life just doing what was acceptable to everyone. Diabolical, that man.

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    • Author by shaggles (April 11, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
         
      The Goring of Obama has begun.
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    • Author by Old_Benjamin (April 11, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
         
      It's not in the transcript but I think the senator in fact requested M F'n OJ!
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      • Author by snoopy (April 11, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
           
        and he actually used silverware, too!
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        • Author by worrierking (April 11, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
             
          Did they search his pockets for the silver as he left?
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          • Author by princeofwheels (April 11, 2008 7:25 pm ET)
               
            Come on, he was using his white-half today. Isn't that what the Cons think when he says something they agree with?
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    • Author by robrob (April 11, 2008 4:05 pm ET)
         

       "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu."

      Good grief!

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    • Author by the crapture (April 11, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
         

      oh noes! a candidate asked for juice instead of coffee...the apocalypse must be upon us.

       

      Dear god, except for those all-too rare and all-too-brief episodes wherein he is not fluffing republican daddy figures, Tweety Matthews is beyond useless 

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    • Author by judyinnm (April 11, 2008 4:44 pm ET)
         
      Chris Matthews thinks "regular folks" are as stupid and obsessed with meaningless BS as he is.  Regular folks are all right wing WHITE Republicans who didn't graduate high school, work menial jobs (digging ditches or greeting customers at Walmart), and (as Dylan said) "don't want to come up any higher, but rather get you down in the hole that he's in".
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    • Author by ruthacole8770 (April 11, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
         
      I agree with Matthews-and that doesn't happen too often-because Obama does these things with a sense of entitlement that makes me cringe. He did a similar thing with a deli when he asked for some VERY expensive ham; the owner pointed out how costly the meat is and Obama took it anyway, popped it in his mouth and told the owner that he would be paid for it. Also in a candy store in Lititz, PA where they are very proud of their candy the ladies happily offered Obama a taste. They kept offering and he kept refusing! How rude! He seems to make it clear wherever he goes that his taste in food is expensive, that he just cannot politely take the offered sample and say thank you. What a snot!
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    • Author by mefirst (April 11, 2008 5:49 pm ET)
         
      can't he just ask for what he frigging wants?  orange juice in a diner, who would make such an unusual request?   did they have to take a trip to the store for o j?
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    • Author by noconspiracy (April 11, 2008 6:02 pm ET)
         
      What I want to know is, does he use floss or Dento-Tape, 'cause only idiots use Dento-Tape.
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    • Author by maksutov66 (April 11, 2008 7:33 pm ET)
         
      MSNBC sucks, but Obama needs to get with the program. In 2000 Rick Lazio turned down a sausage sandwich at the New York State Fair.  That killed him upstate against Hillary. I'm serious. It sounds stupid, but candidates have to pay attention to this stuff.
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    • Author by yooper (April 11, 2008 7:35 pm ET)
         
      Chris Matthews is a very poor example of anything approaching a unbiased Tv commentator. He seems to have problems with race and gender issues. He really should be taken off MSNBC. He  should apply for work with FOX NEWS where his type of reporting in the accepted norm, that of a hypocritical bigot.
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    • Author by David Badash (April 11, 2008 8:01 pm ET)
         
      For what it's worth, orange juice, well, oranges, are grown in America. Coffee, not so much. Maybe Obama was showing his national pride by wanting to consume a product made in this country. What, with the Columbian trade agreement going nowhere, perhaps he didn't want to be accused of drinking Columbian coffee instead of American OJ. I'm just saying.
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    • Author by john.cheney883801 (April 12, 2008 4:43 am ET)
         

      What IS the problem with you. I saw the edition of Hardball, and watched the clip here. Matthews is practically in LOVE with Obama. That was his take, and I can see where he's coming from. But it wasn't meant as a putdown. Obama is better with a crowd, or one on one, than with a smaller group.

      So WHAT!?!? He's going to make the best President any of us have ever SEEN!!!!

      John Cheney 88

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    • Author by nabalzbbfr3693 (April 12, 2008 10:19 am ET)
         
      Chris Matthews is entirely correct.  It was extremely boorish of Obama to tell someone offering him a free coffee that he insists on a free orange juice instead.  Shows the man is an out of touch elitist megalomaniac.
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    • Author by spadeholder (April 12, 2008 1:18 pm ET)
         

      jeez I believe a person still has the right to decline a coffee.  I don't drink coffee myself,  someday maybe I'll get fined or have to spend jail time for saying no thank to a coffee offer. I hope  a certain political party doesn't, expend  too much effort trying to limit a persons rights, like the right to say no, even to coffee. One of the republican platform: lazzi faire. Just imagine if we spent this time and energy, studying important matters like if those aluminum tube could really work in a centrefuge.  I must be dreaming, maybe I need to start drinking coffee, STRONG

       

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    • Author by loislap (April 13, 2008 12:34 pm ET)
         
      These two come off like a couple of teen age girls."No" "he didn't" the palpable delight in gossip is very odd.The McCain camp will counter this Obama incident now by having him go out and shoot a deer and clean it himself.Maybe not even shoot it.Sneak up on it and break its neck with his bare hands...
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    • Author by loislap (April 13, 2008 12:38 pm ET)
         
      Oh,and as for ordering orange juice--the horror--its a damn good thing he didn't order "mineral water".Matthews would have fainted.
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    • Author by sluggo (April 13, 2008 7:32 pm ET)
         

      This is truly unbelievable.

      The President of the United States admits in public that he actively supported and endorsed actions that rise to the level of International War crimes

      (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/11/bush-approved-of-top-advisers-talks-on-interrogation/

       and the Media (specifically Matthews) focus on something like this.

      I can think of nothing that more clearly symbolizes the professional and moral bankruptcy of our News Media than this.

      How do these people manage to sleep at night???

      Are they so completely lacking in any piece of moral sensibility?

       

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