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Commentary blog post on Obama: "He's still on fruit juice while the adults are sipping bitter and bracing coffee"

May 02, 2008 6:45 pm ET

Discussing the fact that Sen. Barack Obama reportedly asked for orange juice instead of coffee during an April 10 campaign stop at an Indiana diner, Abe Greenwald wrote in a post on the Commentary blog "contentions": "It's not that Obama seemed to hold himself above the coffee drinkers. It's that he seemed to lag behind them. He's still on the fruit juice while the adults are sipping bitter and bracing coffee."

Discussing the fact that Sen. Barack Obama reportedly asked for orange juice instead of coffee during an April 10 campaign stop at an Indiana diner, Commentary magazine's assistant online editor, Abe Greenwald, wrote in a May 1 post on the website's blog "contentions": "When word got out that Obama declined [the proprietor's offer of coffee] and asked for some orange juice, the media took this as another sign of the candidate's elitism or lack of common touch. But that read doesn't sit quite right." Rather, Greenwald attributed Obama's beverage choice to "childish[ness]" and asserted: "It's not that Obama seemed to hold himself above the coffee drinkers. It's that he seemed to lag behind them. He's still on the fruit juice while the adults are sipping bitter and bracing coffee."

Greenwald also attacked Sen. Hillary Clinton's beverage choice, claiming -- without further elaboration -- that "Hillary looked preposterous when she tried to prove her working class credentials through choice of beverage."

Media Matters for America documented that during the April 10 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, MSNBC correspondent David Shuster stated to host Chris Matthews: "Well, here's the other thing that we saw on the tape, Chris, is that, when Obama went in, he was offered coffee, and he said, 'I'll have orange juice.' " Matthews replied, "No," to which Shuster responded: "He did." Shuster continued: "And it's just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, 'Here, have some coffee,' you say, 'Yes, thank you,' and, 'Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?' You don't just say, 'No, I'll take orange juice,' and then turn away and start shaking hands." Matthews added, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu," and then said: "David, what a regular guy. You could do this. ... I mean, go to the diners."

From Greenwald's post, titled "The Real 'Age Issue' ":

I've finally figured out what's been bothering me about the popular interpretation of one of Barack Obama's recent slips. A few weeks ago, Obama was doing some handshake campaigning in a diner in Indiana when the establishment's proprietor offered him a cup of coffee. When word got out that Obama declined and asked for some orange juice, the media took this as another sign of the candidate's elitism or lack of common touch.

But that read doesn't sit quite right. After all, Hillary looked preposterous when she tried to prove her working class credentials through choice of beverage. Yet there was something off about Obama's response. Watching him sulk around this week, slightly traumatized by the betrayal of a father figure, I realized what the diner incident was: it was childish. The switch from juice to coffee is a rite of adulthood. It's not that Obama seemed to hold himself above the coffee drinkers. It's that he seemed to lag behind them. He's still on fruit juice while the adults are sipping bitter and bracing coffee.

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In policy choices, he's ordering straight off the kid's menu. During the last debate, when Charlie Gibson asked Obama a very adult question about why he planned to raise the capital gains tax (as doing so would almost surely lower revenue), the candidate responded: "Well, Charlie, what I've said is I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness."

Fairness.

Anyone who's ever spent any time around children is all too familiar with the argument from fairness: This isn't fair; that's not fair; nothing is fair. In the adult world, it's not that fairness isn't an admirable goal, but rather that when fairness is imposed by the government you end up with something much nastier than unfairness: a parental state. (Something, incidentally, which a grown child would presumably want.)

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    • Author by tommy (May 02, 2008 6:52 pm ET)
         
      Covering right wing blogs is a little ridiculous, is it not? Aren't there bigger fish to fry?
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      • Author by tman418 (May 02, 2008 10:39 pm ET)
           
        I knew these WITH posts from you wouldn't stop coming. Blogs, everyday, are gaining ground in the MSM.
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      • Author by Eric Jaffa (May 03, 2008 9:22 pm ET)
           

        Abe Greenwald is blogging for a magazine.

        They didn't pick some random blog with few readers.

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    • Author by edenscape246494 (May 02, 2008 6:59 pm ET)
         

      LOL  Never heard of Commentary

      I agree Tommy, with Scarborough et al to go after this week this is peanuts

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (May 02, 2008 7:25 pm ET)
         

      They've been brought up occasionally. Don't think LGF will be covered. Notation of obama is an elitest meme duly noted.

      Odds on the WITH crew being able to produce at least twice the word count of the column?

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    • Author by manndan (May 02, 2008 8:33 pm ET)
         
      If it had been Mitt who had asked for OJ instead of coffee would Greenwald have made a snarky comment?
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      • Author by wzwriter (May 05, 2008 10:05 am ET)
           

        If it had been Mitt who had asked for OJ instead of coffee would Greenwald have made a snarky comment?

        Good question - many people don't know about the no-coffee part of being a Mormon.

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    • Author by juliajayne (May 02, 2008 8:40 pm ET)
         

      So having the caffeine monkey on your back is a sign of adulthood? Never touch the stuff myself. But then I'm an elitist. I eat 90% organic and mostly raw foods. If John McCain ordered OJ I'm sure they would have said he was very adult like in his decision to eschew addictive beverages.

      Then he says fairness is childish. If McCain had said something about fairness they would have said he was very inclusive, not bowing to the elites. Funny how all of this works in the media bizarro world.

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    • Author by steeve (May 02, 2008 9:21 pm ET)
         

      The misinformation well runs dry.

      Back in the good old days, a single evening watching cable could generate the equivalent of 20 MMFA articles.  Now the wash of utterly banal trivia is crowding the misinformation out.

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      • Author by jeremy (May 05, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
           
        it's not so banal if David Shuster and Chris Matthews picked up on the same theme on MSNBC.  This is a perfect example of the media running out of things to say as they realize that no campaign is worth covering relentlessly for 24 hours every day...it's not Media Matter's fault!  I'll have to remember the next time I order OJ...I must be an elitist....
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    • Author by markcyst20051409 (May 02, 2008 10:14 pm ET)
         
      When given lemons make ............
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      • Author by Bill from Palmdale (May 02, 2008 11:20 pm ET)
           
        It goes like this.  When life hands you lemons..................add vodka!
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 03, 2008 1:32 am ET)
             
          There you go, Bill! Vodka is definitely not a childish drink. I take mine with kerosene and some cactus parts with spines.But only after 9am, when I've finished my 2-3 gallons of bracing coffee. I take the coffee just like my women, black & bitter. Right, Pearlene?
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          • Author by juliajayne (May 03, 2008 5:03 am ET)
               
            You need a bitter and bracing slap from Pearlene for that, Col..
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 03, 2008 5:15 pm ET)
                 
              You shouldn't make promises on other peoples behalf, JJ. But I should have it coming just for working in such an old joke. ;0)
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              • Author by juliajayne (May 03, 2008 8:12 pm ET)
                   

                Make promises? You mean you'd like getting a bitter and bracing slap? And I thought J2 was a bit kinky :-0)

                 

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (May 05, 2008 1:12 am ET)
               

            I take the coffee just like my women, black & bitter. Right, Pearlene?

            LOL

            Col, haven't you heard, the darker the berry the sweeter the fruit.

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    • Author by LMB19508436 (May 02, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
         
      for the love of God....can't someone choose orange juice?....even in the movie "The prize Winner from Defiance, Ohio" she  chose orange juice over Dr. Peppper. This is a ridiculous issue. So what have we defined as the appropriate drink for a future president? Should he order scotch or a shot and a beer? His coffee black ...like his women? Can't we be sensitive to individual tastes and what our stomache tolerates? This is so pathetic it makes me want a glass of O.J.
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    • Author by Rybock (May 03, 2008 1:31 am ET)
         

      Missed that chapter in Miss Manners. I guess all those times I was in a restaurant or diner, and the server said "Coffee?", I was being rude in saying no.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 03, 2008 1:33 am ET)
           
        Not necessarily rude, just immature and elitist. Get off your high horse, grow up, and slug down some joe !
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        • Author by juliajayne (May 03, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
             

          Hey, Col., get off the BLERT stallion....bigot, lefitist, elitist, radical, troll. I won't stand for it anymore :-0)

          BTW you are one of the most disgustingly funny posters ever. (I left some adjectives out but really, it's hard to remember them all). 

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 03, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
               
            I'm pretty sure I'm an America-hater, too. But "disgusting", I won't argue that, thanks.
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    • Author by bupkus456 (May 03, 2008 9:36 am ET)
         
      If McCain had ordered orange juice instead of coffee, the right-wing drones would have "analyzed" it as a brilliantly subtle appeal to Florida voters and a stern rebuke of socialist South American coffee growers.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (May 03, 2008 12:07 pm ET)
         
      I'm with Julia and Rybock. I appreciate that getting up and moving in the morning is hard for some and the social aspects of the morning coffee positive. I may be on the outer edge here. I don't take in food or drink for two hours after getting up. Besides, its probably bad for my hullabalutions, make me see things in real black and white.
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    • Author by rojo7449 (May 03, 2008 3:06 pm ET)
         

      Why isn't Media Matters complaining about the uselessness of this report rather than the feigned "attack" on Obama.

      There sure isn't any outrage on the daily false, and childish attacks Keith Olbermann pushes on Senator Clinton. He should be escorted off TV for his distortions of fact, and his "worst person in the world" attitudes.  That kind of ego has no place in MSM.  His arrogant judgments against people destroy any credibility he might otherwise have had.

      Is Media Matters condemning the falsified video clip that circulated MSM and the blogs yesterday doctored to show the "n-word" being used against Indiana whites by the 1992 campaign team for Bill Clinton? Nope, not finding one word about it here.  Must be because it was negative against Hillary.

      Media Matters is showing unbelievable bias of their own. Can we see some outrage on reported stories that are blatently false on Hillary Clinton?

       

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      • Author by juliajayne (May 03, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
           

        That story was covered here yesterday. Look a bit harder. And please note that MMFA has lots of instances of HRC and Obama getting beat up falsely. Don't make stuff up to say MMFA is biased against HRC.

        That being said I quit watching KO because of his piling on HRC in a totally non professional manner. If he was doing the same to Obama, I'd have done the same. As it is, I've pretty much given up all TV because the coverage of real news stories is vacant.

         

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        • Author by mary59 (May 03, 2008 6:24 pm ET)
             
          Ah, Julia, that's because you don't eat steak like a real man. And bracing bitter big bad coffee.
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          • Author by juliajayne (May 03, 2008 8:09 pm ET)
               
            No coffee, but I do eat organic steak like a woman. Does that count? I'm not a vegetarian. Now THAT would make me a super, triple, special elitist. 
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            • Author by mary59 (May 03, 2008 9:05 pm ET)
                 
              I think it does count big time. Your steak eating scores major points. Now if you tore into it raw, without using utensils, you could avoid any appearance of elitism ( unless it was a tartare (with arugula)
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    • Author by heru (May 03, 2008 8:13 pm ET)
         
      Its all part of Obama's plan to take revenge by enslaving the white race. Next thing you know he'll refuse a fat slice of swine like he's better than whites or sumthin'. Who does this uppitty negro think he is anyway? if a white person offers you something, take it or else.
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    • Author by Eric Jaffa (May 03, 2008 9:19 pm ET)
         

      For someone who makes a million dollars in capital gains, and has to pay less taxes percentage-wise than the average person pays on the top of his salary, the current low taxation of capital gains is sweet, not "bitter and bracing."

      It's strange that Abe Greenwald is against the government imposing fair taxation but OK with the government imposing unfair taxation.

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    • Author by pulakimo5441 (May 04, 2008 12:55 pm ET)
         

      I am so glad that the other posts highlight the ludicrous and risible (yes I know, redundancy, but this post merits it) nature of this post.  I kept reading thinking it would amount to something but it didn't happen.  If you have writer's block, silly, go take a nap.

       

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