RJC,

If I were speaking about a primitive tribe, I think I might indeed refer to them as either Primitives or Savages. That's the word that was used when I was in school [it may have been removed by the PC police by now]

Please note I left info about a book [above post] written about an indigenous Amazon tribe called "Savages". The author did not mean it as an insult.

The word savage can be used in a derogatory way, or as another word to describe a primitive tribe.

I think the fact that Limbaugh used Savage is what's really the problem with everyone more than the actual word.

"Through our own history we have heard people describe the Native Americans, African Americans, and other minority groups as savages." 

 Onionhead, these people were indeed savages. their low standard of living prompted their culture to develop into one that is particularity barbaric. Although their lack of development has stymied their ability to kill efficiently, this does not mean they commit savage acts with any less zeal.

"When, in fact, you read the history books,"

Well, these history books are written by humans who are also capable political sentiment. Americas history books are known to be tempered by a trace of liberal bias (as a student i have seen this). Whether the evil oppressive white man or the poor minority is savage is certainly a question that can easily be decided the writer of history books. 

It is notably ironic that though the  "winner writes the history books," in the case of white Americans the history books are written in favor of the losers. 

"you know the real savages were the ones who used the word "savage" as a justification for slavery and mass murder"

All i have to say is; to the winner go the spoils.

We won. If they had been in the position to win and had indeed one they would have done the same to us. The world is not a place that conforms to your naïve, idealistic fancy.

Savage is still very much a derogatory term

Especially when it is preceded by the word "Michael." 

Let's see, they paint themselves red and shoot arrows up at airplanes.

Sounds like a Brazilian chapter of the Amish to me.

http://goddrinksbeer.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ap_tribe_080530_ssh.jpg 

You are just blubbering out generalizations.  Give an example of me doing what tommy was just caught doing or STFU.  Thanks.

: )

Rush is a classic conservative emotional manipulater.

Not to mention, perhaps, impotent or otherwise afflicted with a Loathsome Social Disease. (And takes great pains to hide the news from his legions of poor, undereducated and easily-influenced listeners.)

Col - you regurgatation of the assertion that every criticism of liberalism or every staple of conservatisim comes through Rush Limbaugh verifys the one dimensional aspect of your cultural education.  As you so often reference what happens on Limaugh's show I suggest you turn off the program every once in awhile and look to other avenues of information.  You'll be surprised to learn how much happens outside of his show.

Maybe you should change yours to I'm a Far Left MoonBat.

After you change yours to I'm a Blithering Idiot.

No, the fact is that an airplane is not in their domain of experience (neither is metal).  And it is possible that their bows and arrows could have brought down a small plane flying low enough (the fact that people in the plane saw them can attest to that). 

If they are ignorant, they are ignorant not stupid.  And having read some of the things you have posted, I could saw the same about you. 

Only if I can tell for sure that it's a liberal Democrat.

True enough even if I don't recall anybody here calling native American tribalism utopic. Those are your words.

So? The impression I have garnered from not only this thread but others is that people are under the false notion that Europeans came oaver here and destroyed a culture of innocent people. The unfortunate reality is that it was survival of the fittest. It doesn't excuse some of the atrocities but the country you enjoy and the land you live on right now was forcibly taken form someone. How does that make you feel?

However, native Americans also developed civilized ways to settle land disputes. For example lacrosse was a game they used to settle disputes. The winner of the game, in essence, won the war.

Also, counting coo was a violent but non-lethal form of combat in which the first contestant to draw blood was the victor.

Thanks for the cultural lesson. As a Native American I can attest that I am farily informed on the historical nature of Native American culture and society. first of all the term is "counting COUP" not COO. This was a practice of mainly plains tribes and was a demonstration of bravery (mostly in a time of combat). One could count coup and kill that person only minutes later during battle. It was basically a practice of using a hand or a coup stick to touch the opposing warrior usually on the shoulder and runnign away unharmed. This was not a practice in which two opposing forces met and counted coup and went home as a way of solving conflict. While you are correct in that some native cultures practices non violent ways of conflict resolution. what you need to understand is that for the most part they were a warrior culture. When they needed someting that another tribe had, they took it if they could. It was progress. The Lakota, came to the Dakotas from uper Minnesota in this manner and essentially took that land through warfare from other tribes dfriving them south.

The point is, native Americans cannot be grouped as entirely warlike or peaceful. Nor can the Europeans, who came over and claimed North America as their destiny, be considered entirely noble or savage.

Unfortunately, the Europeans were more advanced so they won. That's that.

Personally, I take exception to Rush's anti-protection stance. His is the extremist, 'you're on your own,' vision of the world. He's pretty sick regardless of his use of dehumanizing language

Me too. Obviously he wasn't using the term as a literal as defined. We know what he meant. It was derogatory.

I live pretty close to the ocean, Round, and we have heavy concentrations of it. 

C'mon, Roundhouse, you know me ! ;0)

No. All cultures are equally advanced. You may believe your culture superior, but that is a combination of arrogance and ignorance. It is not a fact. Again, you would do well to take an anthropology course.

Notice the almost banal stupidity involved in this claim:

"I'm sorry that the "every culture is equal" is a fallacy but it is.  SOme people are simply living in the past and those people to use the term losely (going with the cultured and advanced part) are savages."

First, you apologize to often. It suggests a degree of dishonesty. Second, I said that every culture is equally advanced. When you lie, as you did, one cannot engage in an honest discussion. Third, the claim that some people are "simply living in the past" is simply ignorant and arrogant. No one literally lives in the past. The people that Limbaugh was discussing do not live in the past, any more than you live in the past. Ignorance of their cultural practices does not make one more "advanced" culturally, it just makes one ignorant.