O'Reilly on teenagers' topless photo scandal: "[T]his isn't ... the inner city; you would think that these kids would have some kind of a values system"
While discussing ninth-grade students at a school in New Jersey who were suspended for distributing topless photographs of their classmates, Bill O'Reilly stated, "But it's an amazing amount of kids involved with this -- 20 -- in an affluent school district. This isn't, you know, the inner city; you would think that these kids would have some kind of a values system."
During the June 10 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, purporting to document "more evidence of values problem among American young people," host Bill O'Reilly reported that seven ninth-graders at Pascack Valley High School in New Jersey have been suspended for distributing topless photographs of their classmates. O'Reilly asked Bergen Record reporter Leslie Brody, "Do you think 13- and 14-year-olds or 15-year-olds are smart enough to understand they put themselves at risk when they do this kind of behavior? The girls that you talked to, do they have any idea or are they just stone cold dumb?" Brody told O'Reilly that "some of these girls were 11, so they could be, perhaps, understood as being a little more innocent or thoughtless." She added: "Some kids, perhaps, are looking for attention. Some see Lindsay Lohan doing this kind of thing and want to do it themselves. Some are impulsive." O'Reilly then stated: "But it's an amazing amount of kids involved with this -- 20 -- in an affluent school district. This isn't, you know, the inner city; you would think that these kids would have some kind of a values system." O'Reilly continued: "It's not that it's so horrendous. You know, it's not murder or rape. But it's so stupid."
O'Reilly later stated, "[W]hat I think this is is lack of a values education. In public school they don't have -- teach values anymore, civics or any of that. You can't tell the kids what's right and wrong. You get in trouble. And if kids at home don't have parents who set boundaries, and many of them don't, then it's inevitable that some of them will do this. I still think that they're incredibly dumb."
From the June 10 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight, more evidence of values problem among American young people. At the Pascack Valley High School in northern New Jersey, seven ninth-graders, 14- and 15-year-olds, have been suspended for distributing topless photos of their classmates. As many as 20 young girls appeared that way. No charges have been filed, but the community is shocked.
And with us now is Inger Kruegle, the mother of two girls attending the school -- they were not involved -- and Leslie Brody, a reporter for the Bergen Record who broke the story yesterday. Leslie, we'll begin with you.
See, what I don't understand is how girls this young could be persuaded to put themselves at risk by posing in this way for a cell phone camera. What was the persuadability factor there?
BRODY: Well, there are different ways that children got onto these photos. In one case, a boy asked several girls to be part of his photo gallery, kind of a collage he was putting together. Another instance a girl sent it to her boyfriend thinking it was just for him, perhaps, and then they broke up and then he sent it around to his friends.
But this is a common occurrence these days. Boys send photos of themselves to girls as well. Sometimes the photos are meant to stop at the recipient. Sometimes they are intended for distribution.
O'REILLY: Do you think 13- and 14-year-olds or 15-year-olds are smart enough to understand they put themselves at risk when they do this kind of behavior? The girls that you talked to, do they have any idea or are they just stone cold dumb?
BRODY: Well, bear in mind some of these pictures were taken two or three years ago and they surfaced now. But some of these girls were 11, so they could be, perhaps, understood as being a little more innocent or thoughtless. Some kids, perhaps, are looking for attention. Some see Lindsay Lohan doing this kind of thing and want to do it themselves. Some are impulsive.
O'REILLY: But it's an amazing amount of kids involved with this -- 20 -- in an affluent school district. This isn't, you know, the inner city; you would think that these kids would have some kind of a values system. It's not that it's so horrendous. You know, it's not murder or rape. But it's so stupid.
BRODY: True. But it's very common as well and the adults --
O'REILLY: Do you think it's very common across the country?
BRODY: I talked to police today who say it's quite common. It's been a big issue at their juvenile officer conferences. It's been reported in Utah, Connecticut, Texas, New York, previously in New Jersey. I believe --
O'REILLY: So it's all -- and kids as young as 11 are doing it?
BRODY: Yeah, because cell phones are so everywhere --
O'REILLY: Oh, I know that. The technology makes it very easy to do it. Now Inga, what I think this is is lack of a values education. In public school they don't have -- teach values anymore, civics or any of that. You can't tell the kids what's right and wrong. You get in trouble. And if kids at home don't have parents who set boundaries, and many of them don't, then it's inevitable that some of them will do this. I still think that they're incredibly dumb.
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O'Reilly is pretty out of touch with everything. Did you catch the Bill Moyers kerfluffle? The whole thing, not just the brief snippet and subsequent body language analysis that O'Reilly actually showed? Just another example of how unjournalistic all of Fox News really is.
Oh, and for those of you who didn't see the O'Reilly segment on it, he played about 10 seconds of the "ambush interview" and then went off on how Moyers and Rather are "Far left loons, way far left. They're crazy!"
hilarious. ;)
OMG. I wasn't the least bit surprised at how low he had to go to salvage the clobbering that Barry got at the hands of Bill Moyers and the guys who chased him out of the building.
Bill's got the body lingo expert encased backstage with a sign that reads, "in case of unusable material, break glass".
"O'Reilly is pretty out of touch with everything. Did you catch the Bill Moyers kerfluffle? The whole thing, not just the brief snippet and subsequent body language analysis that O'Reilly actually showed? Just another example of how unjournalistic all of Fox News really is.
Oh, and for those of you who didn't see the O'Reilly segment on it, he played about 10 seconds of the "ambush interview" and then went off on how Moyers and Rather are "Far left loons, way far left. They're crazy!"
hilarious. ;)"
I did see that, and I saw the counter-follow-up to Bill Moyers' smackdown of Bill-O's right wing punk henchpeople on Keith Olbermann. They filmed a progressive media journalist giving O'Lielly's henchpeople a dose of their own ambush medicine as they were leaving, asking them why they didn't answer Moyers' questions about why O'Lielly refuses to appear on Bill Moyers show.
Not only do O'Lielly and his henchpeople hate losing ambush interviews, they also hate being on the receiving end of them.
Yes, O'Reilly is so out of touch it's ridiculous. He acts likes he's just one of the folks but, in reality, he doesn't have a clue.
O'Reilly: "This isn't, you know, the inner city; you would think that these kids would have some kind of a values system."
That's right, O'Reilly, those inner city people just have no decent values at all while wealthy suburb kids are usually the standard bearers for decency and proper behavior. ~snark~
His above comment reminds me of his trip to Sylvia's when he exclaimed how he couldn't get over the fact that the customers there (largely black) didn't act all crazy; that they weren't any different than the patrons at an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb.
Time and time again, O'Reilly shows that he has an undercurrent of negative bias against inner city people and black people while having a positive bias towards wealthy, suburban whites like him. He keeps outing his bias over and over again despite his protestations that's he harbors no such bias.
"Time and time again, O'Reilly shows that he has an undercurrent of negative bias against inner city people and black people while having a positive bias towards wealthy, suburban whites like him. He keeps outing his bias over and over again despite his protestations that's he harbors no such bias."
Largely true, with one sub-point. The only black people that Bill "likes" and "respects" are the self-hating anti-black Negro conservatives who bash their own race and/or excuse and/or defend and/or act as apologists for his and other racist white conservatives' racism and/or also hate and detest black people more than he and his racist white supremacist conservatives do (Juan Williams, Rashonda Barber. Larry Elder, Armshill Bagman Williams, Jesse Lee Peterson, Ward "Con Man" Connerly, etc.). Bill O'Lielly's so-called "respect" for these alleged black people is actually RACIST, since Bill and other white conservatives only have a racist white supremacist "respect" and "liking" for black people who are subordinate to them and other racist whites.
Black talk radio, such as "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison http://www.joemadison.com on Radio One's black talk radio network on XM Radio XM 169/THE POWER (Bill attacked Joe on his show once) along with THE POWER's other black talk radio host Warren Ballantine http://www.thetruthfighters.com, and WVON-AM 1690's Roland S. Martin http://www.rolandsmartin.com http://www.wvon.com, along with Clifford Kelley and Perri Small and Matt McGill, and their respective black talk radio audiences, will all be barbecuing Bill-O and his racist white supremacist audience and the self-hating anti-black Negro conservatives on the O'Lielly plantation for the next week or so.
"The only black people that Bill "likes" and "respects" are the self-hating anti-black Negro conservatives who bash their own race and/or excuse and/or defend and/or act as apologists for his and other racist white conservatives' racism and/or also hate and detest black people..."
Glad to see you put "likes" and "respects" in quotes because I think the only reason O'Reilly has them on is that he is using them to make his point...and the fact that they are African-Americans lends some sort of credibility to his arguments.
"The only black people that Bill "likes" and "respects" are the self-hating anti-black Negro conservatives who bash their own race and/or excuse and/or defend and/or act as apologists for his and other racist white conservatives' racism and/or also hate and detest black people..."
"Glad to see you put "likes" and "respects" in quotes because I think the only reason O'Reilly has them on is that he is using them to make his point...and the fact that they are African-Americans lends some sort of credibility to his arguments."
You mean O'Reilly THINKS they lend credibility to his argument.
If you listen to any black talk radio station, whether it's Radio One's THE POWER on XM 169 or Chicago's Black Talk Radio Station WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com or the American Urban Radio Network, you then see that the dis-likes of Juan "I Hate Black People" Williams and Rashonda "I Hate Black People" Barber and Larry "I Hate Black People" Elder are even MORE hated on black talk radio than O'Reilly continues to be, and that's BEFORE these and/or other self-hating anti-black Yes' Massa buck-dancing Negro conservatives (paraphrasing the words of WVON's black talk radio host Matt McGill) act as his apologists.
Perhaps Bill can find out by making a phone sex call to her.
She'd be the first female to actually WANT a phone sex call from Bill O'Lielly. Paris has no sense nor taste, but that's a whole other story.
O'Reilly talking about 'values'? Oh sure...
Then again... figures Billy would go after this story.
--Bill O'Reilly at the work
(good thing he's not a school teacher)
What's really disgusting is that he probably would want to play that sick 'game' with those ninth graders.
Yeah, that's right, Billo! Go ahead and sick your 'Fox Security' thugs on me! I know you read this site so bring it on.
"Yeah, that's right, Billo! Go ahead and sick your 'Fox Security' thugs on me! I know you read this site so bring it on." - Rabbitluvr
Be careful what you ask for. Billo just might turn the big guns on you and send out Porter Barry!
O'Reilly's values include sexual harassment of colleagues, so it sounds like this school's 'values' are right in line with his own!
Inner city kids don't have a value system.
There's a good chance that inner city kids don't have the high-tech equipment to take and share these photos, and PCs in their bedrooms away from where their parents can see what they're doing. I think it's EASIER for kids from an affluent school to do this.
Ha values...Here last fall an affluent suburban girl--now 18 and thus an adult--stole money from a young Girl Scout selling cookies. This happened very close to where I teach achool. A few days later media was there and so was the theif, who was boasting to the reporters what she did. The media called the police. In an interview she said that she was not sorry for what she did to the child because she had to give the money back and she still had charges.
Affluence and values are not compatible.
Affluence and values are not compatible.
Agreed.
EXHIBIT A - Paris Hilton.
EXHIBIT B - Nicole Richie.
EXHIBIT C - The Hernandez Brothers.
Affluence and values are not compatible. Agreed.
EXHIBIT A - Paris Hilton.
EXHIBIT B - Nicole Richie.
EXHIBIT C - The Menendez Brothers.
EXHIBIT D - Nick Bollea/Nick Hogan, son of Hulk Hogan.
Updated list:
EXHIBIT A - Paris Hilton.
EXHIBIT B - Nicole Richie.
EXHIBIT C - The Menendez Brothers.
EXHIBIT D - Nick Bollea/Nick Hogan, son of Hulk Hogan.
EXHIBIT E - The Kardashians.
EXHIBIT F - Donald Trump (serial marriages)
EXHIBIT G - Lou Perlman (boy band empresaro, swindler)
EXHIBIT H - The high school football players in Glen Ridge NJ who sexually violateda mentally challenged classmate with a miniature baseball bat and a broom handle. I believe a TV movie was done a few years back based on this case.(http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/08/03/reviews/glenridge-verdict.html)
Further updated list:
John McCain. (Read on his first wife. It's not so pretty, let alone "heroic.")
"There's a good chance that inner city kids don't have the high-tech equipment to take and share these photos, and PCs in their bedrooms away from where their parents can see what they're doing. I think it's EASIER for kids from an affluent school to do this."
Also, just recently, 2 affluent white subruban teenagers just recently had to issue a You Tube apology for their vicious and stupid "Fire In The Hole" pranks throigh their local drive-thru's.
Next, there's Nick Bollea, the 17 year old rich white punk son of Terry Bollea, better known as Hulk Hogan, who's currently serving an 8 month sentence for causing an accident while he was driving in an illegal street race that put his best "friend", an Iraq war veteran, into a coma that he will likely be in the rest of his life.
Guess the racist white supremacist Bill-O doesn't want to talk about THOSE white kids, right?
"Inner city kids don't have a value system.
There's a good chance that inner city kids don't have the high-tech equipment to take and share these photos, and PCs in their bedrooms away from where their parents can see what they're doing. I think it's EASIER for kids from an affluent school to do this."
Also, the inner city kids likely don't have the availability to the women that Bill knows, and the inner city kids can't make unwanted phone sex calls to these women, like Bill-O does, and/or most of the affluent suburban white kids do, all the time.
Also, the inner city kids likely don't have the availability to the women that Bill knows, and the inner city kids can't make unwanted phone sex calls to these women, like Bill-O does, and/or most of the affluent suburban white kids do, all the time.
According to BO, all those inner city kids can do is get after-school jobs in black-run restaurants, bringing the patrons their mo-fo iced tea..... :-)
Inner city=working class+minority=valueless?
"Inner city=working class+minority=valueless?"
According to right wing racist white supremacist conservatives like Bill-O and Drugbaugh and Hannity and Ingraham and Levin and right wing racist white supremacist conservative and the anti-black self-hating black conservatives like Juan "I Hate Black People" Williams and Larry "I Hate Black People" Elder and John Mc"I Bash My Own race So White Conservative Elites Pay Me Big Money"Whorter, the answer is yes.
Next week on the O'lielly factor: "how naked trout are writhing in the streams of America, and what we can do about it."
Next week on the O'lielly factor: "how naked trout are writhing in the streams of America, and what we can do about it."
That's funny.
Next week on the O'lielly factor: "how naked trout are writhing in the streams of America, and what we can do about it."
That's funny.
Watch for O'Reilly to ask John Ashcroft to head up a campaign to get curtains installed to cover the streams, like he did with those semi-nude statues at the Justice Department.....
"The O'Reilly Factor for Kids: A Survival Guide for America's Families"
There is a used copy available at Amazon.com for $.01.
It's a bit overpriced as far as I'm concerned.
Sorry ... I just don't have the yen to pay for ANYTHING written by Billo....
Real subtle, Worrierking. Hinting at Father's Day gift ideas, eh?
All you other hint-dropping dads, I heard another recommendation on the radio yesterday; The roast of Dennis Prager on DVD. Yes, you can hear Prager roasted by Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt and others, probably involving a lot of Hillary Clinton and Obama jokes.
BTW, this was recommended by Prager. Imagine the look on dad's face when he unwraps that!
I was just at the Dennis Prager Store and only saw DVD copies.
It says his friends roasted him slowly.
Is this some kind of snuff film?
I hope not.
In public school they don't have -- teach values anymore, civics or any of that.
I am a teacher in Florida. The 7th grade Social Studies curriculum is civics. Not to mention that as early as 2nd grade we teach in social studies what civic responsibility is--our rights as citizens--and responsibilities. I am sure most states have a similar curriculum model. Where does BO get his information from? Does he even do research at all before he goes on with something?
Yeah, but you don't cram Bill O'Rielly's 'values' down their throats, so that means you're not teaching them anything.
His values include the proper use of a loofa/falafel, right?
"Yeah, but you don't cram Bill O'Rielly's 'values' down their throats, so that means you're not teaching them anything.
His values include the proper use of a loofa/falafel, right?"
That, and Bill-O's "values" also include the "proper" way to solicit unwanted phone sex from women.
PL,
The point is that o'leilly researches nothing. He says what his ignorant audience wants to hear. The "right" has mastered that: providing gurus with their plaitudes and moralisms with no substance whatsoever.
Either this is a different poster pretending to be Tommy, or this is something even Tommy can't be an apologist for.
Does this 18th century blowhard really think that rich, white boys like seeing girls topless any less than poor black or latino boys? Regardless of how you feel about the behavior, and as bad as it is, he's overreacting, why the hell would he think it would be more prevalent in the inner city? (Or with non-whites?) Does this guy EVER go on the internet? (Or that white girls are less likely to take their tops off than black girls? Apparently he's never been to a concert either.) Puttig aside the behavior in question (which is inappropriate, no matter how amusing I find it personally) it always amazes me when these guys are "shocked" to discover that (their) rich, white kids are every bit as fallible (as human, really) as everybody else.
(Of course anything that involves exposed flesh pretty much ties this guy up in knots. Explains why he had to sexually harrass his producer over the phone.)
(This guy sure must have been a fun date in HS, huh?)
Our eldest son taught for three years in one of the most affluent towns in northeast Massachusetts [he's since married & gone to teach in central Ma.] and he found many of these "rich" kids to be sorely lacking when it came to accepting discipline nor were they a particularly virtuous group of youngsters. Another words Billy-Boy, affluence does not equal morals or values.
Sometimes it's just the opposite...
Hear, hear!!!
Jeter,
I professionally deal with middle schoolers most of the year. What you say is true: I find the most valueless individuals--and the least disciplined--to be the wealthiest. I admire teachers to try to instill some values, beyond blind consumption, to them. But it must not be easy. There's the beauty queens who care about nothing, but can't wait for someone to take their photos--and their 13 or 14!--and the jocks... Well, so much for the stereoptypes. But those stereotypes didn't come from nowhere!
I'm telling you, Fox Comedy Channel is getting funnier and funnier.
Too bad Fox doesn't specialize in comedy. What is wrong with those folks over there? They're really started to lose their grip on where America is socially. That was a seriously insensitive comment. Especially since many of the parents who watch O'Reilly live in a metropolis. Why would you even go there?
O'REILLY: See, what I don't understand is how girls this young could be persuaded to put themselves at risk by posing in this way for a cell phone camera. What was the persuadability factor there?
Come on, Bill, if you're looking for tips on how to get young girls topless, you should be more subtle than to just come out and ask!
"I wonder if O'Reilly has ever seen a Girls Gone Wild Video or even a ad for one."
Knowing Bill-O, he likely has a huge Girls Gone Wild Video secret collection.
Tonight on The O'Reilly Factor. Watch Bill's head explode while preveiwing The Media Matters Posters Gone Wild video.
"Remarkable!", says Bill Kristol."All thats left is the top of the spinal cord",He gushed!
Fox News statement, When brains explode, They explode on Fox News!
"Tonight on The O'Reilly Factor. Watch Bill's head explode while preveiwing The Media Matters Posters Gone Wild video. "
Remarkable!", says Bill Kristol."All thats left is the top of the spinal cord",He gushed!
Fox News statement, When brains explode, They explode on Fox News!"
Biggest surprise in this segment: That people working on Fox News actually had brains to begin with.
It's only natural that a Nineteenth Century throwback like O'Reilly would assume that wealthy kids must be morally superior.
Wealthy teenagers are just as "naughty" as poor teenagers.... the difference is that their parents can afford lawyers and therapists.
Wealthy teenagers are just as "naughty" as poor teenagers.... the difference is that their parents can afford lawyers and therapists.
Who enable their aberrant behavior.
"Wealthy teenagers are just as "naughty" as poor teenagers.... the difference is that their parents can afford lawyers and therapists.
Who enable their aberrant behavior."
Not only do they enable it, in some cases, some of the white suburban teenagers' wealthy kids are also engaging in it and/or participating in the naughty behavior with their spoiled maladjusted wealthy brat kids.
Once again Bill O'Lielly reveals his racist, white supremacist side. Betcha the right wing conservative anti-black Negro conservatives like Juan "I Am Bill's Happy Negro That Hates Black People" Williams will be defending Bill, and/or acting as Bill's #1 self-hating Negro conservative apologust.
Papraphrasing the words of WVON-AM 1690's http://www.wvon.com black talk radio host Matt McGill when McGill justifiably barbecued Williams as, in McGill's words, not mine, "...a buck dancing, Yes Massa, self-hating, Negro conservative sellout."
Quoth Mr. "No-Spin Zone:"
And you'll never guess what the Fox Prolefeed crowd really has in mind for their ideal of "values education"--which, simply put, is nothing short of xenophobic jingoism, racism and bigotry @ the expense of core skills, reinforced by enforced social isolation which could too easily be a pretext for incestuous LeTourneauism.
I challenge Bill-O to appear on "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison's show on XM 169/THE POWER http://www.joemadison.com or appear on Roland S. Martin's show on black talk radio station WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com and repeat his latest racist white supremacist comments to a BLACK TALK RADIO audience.
Let's see and hear what kind of reception he gets then.
I mean you would expect this talk out of racists but not Bill O'reilly. He's white and rich.
Of course O'Reilly thinks young people have a values problem. They're breaking overwhelmingly for Obama! The only explanation is that today's kids are utterly depraved!
Haven't all of O'Reilly's viewers died of old age yet?
The bias and ignorance portrayed in O'Reilly's statement that "this isn't, you know, the inner city", ... is so typical of his and the thousands of other racists that watch his show. He knows exactly what he is conveying and to whom. What did you really expect from someone who makes the kind of a comment that he did about the patrons' behavior in an African-American owned restaurant. O'Reilly dined with Reverend Al Sharpton at Sylvia's, I believe it was last year, and couldn't believe that the patrons were like patrons in any other restaurant. Why, they were sitting down and not even asking for their mother------- iced tea. What a cretin this guy is, but, unfortunately, there are many just like him, and, they want to rule the world. O'Reilly is one of the most perfect examples of why we need Barack Obama to win the election in November, 2008!
That's an enduring Right Wing myth, a residual from their decades-long war on public education. It's code-speak for "The bastards won't let us teach about Jesus in Public School!"
My daughter has attended Public Schools for ten years, and she's been told many times by many teachers what is right and wrong, and she's gotten in trouble a few times, as well. The problem is that Theofascists like Bildo can't imagine teaching morality without wrapping it in supernatural fantasies.
No comment. O'Reilley is right on mark. Values are not taught in schools. It might offend someone.
Gerry
is it just me, or does he look like he's aged a lot recently?
of course inner city kids have no values, bill o'reilly says so.
and this is what passes for insightful commentary on fox?
Once again nedia-don't-matter and its sycophants prove that your'e more far more interested in attacking O'Reilly and anything conservative over word twisting than actually recognizing that 14 year old girls displaying themselves topless on the internet is a very wrong thing. Or perhaps it's a case that family values and parental control over young teens is something the ulra-libs can't stand as a concept?
Once again nedia-don't-matter and its sycophants prove that your'e more far more interested in attacking O'Reilly and anything conservative over word twisting than actually recognizing that 14 year old girls displaying themselves topless on the internet is a very wrong thing. -Whoever
Secondly, put a coherent sentence together if you're gonna come here calling people sycophants. Stop regurgitating O'Reilly's talking points. Next thing you'll be telling us how piffy his show really is and how posters at Mediamatters tend to bloviate.
Lots of great comments here.
The frightening thing, though, about o'lielly is that, because he's a "media personality," people take "him" seriously. I was talking with an NBC exec years ago in Washington and he said that, AFTER o'lielly's phone sex settlement, the other networks couldn't keep up with Faux! So, despite his behavior, DESPITE WHAT HE'S KNOWN TO DO, people like my father in law still "respect" him.
In that sense, o'leilly's not unlike, say Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham. None of them believe a smidgen of what they say. They don't believe in anything in particular. They spout off to an audience who "respects" them because of their media positions, and they know what that audience wants to hear. And THAT'S what's frightening.