Hasselbeck on Obama: "[H]e seemed for a while more willing to give the fist bump to Ahmadinejad than our own General Petraeus"
On Hannity & Colmes, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, co-host of ABC's The View, asserted of Sen. Barack Obama: "[I]t bothered me that he seemed for a while more willing to give the fist bump to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad than our own General [David] Petraeus."
On the June 18 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, co-host of ABC's The View, asserted of Sen. Barack Obama: "[I]t bothered me that he seemed for a while more willing to give the fist bump to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad than our own General [David] Petraeus." Hasselbeck continued: "It bothers me. It bothers me as a mom. It bothers me as a working woman. It bothers me as a citizen of this country."
Hasselbeck's reference to Petraeus is not the first time that someone on Fox News has echoed attacks by conservatives for what they suggest falsely is Obama's refusal to discuss the situation in Iraq with Petraeus. Vets For Freedom chairman Pete Hegseth, on the May 29 edition of Fox News' Your World, falsely claimed that Obama has "never met with General Petraeus," which host Neil Cavuto did not challenge. In fact, Obama has, as recently as April 8, questioned Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker at a Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing on Iraq.
Hasselbeck's statement comes nearly two weeks after Fox News host E.D. Hill teased a segment on Obama's fist bump with his wife, saying, "A fist bump? A pound? A terrorist fist jab? The gesture everyone seems to interpret differently." Subsequently, on the June 10 edition of America's Pulse, Hill addressed her June 6 comments, saying: "I mentioned various ways the Obamas' fist pump in St. Paul had been characterized in the media. I apologize because unfortunately, some thought I personally had characterized it inappropriately. I regret that. It was not my intention. And I certainly didn't mean to associate the word 'terrorist' in any way to Senator Obama and his wife."
From the June 18 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HASSELBECK: I think that this is something that -- in terms of lack of judgment, it seems to be that the people that cause controversy like the Reverend Wright, you could take [Antoin] Rezko, aren't the people that Senator Obama thought they were.
That seems odd to me. And we're supposed to place full trust in his judgment. That concerns me. You know, I just -- and it bothered me that he seemed for a while more willing to give the fist bump to Ahmadinejad than our own General Petraeus. It bothers me.
HANNITY: Yeah.
HASSELBECK: It bothers me as a mom. It bothers me as a working woman. It bothers me as a citizen of this country.
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ROTFLOL !!!!!!!!!
That be just about the funniest thing I've seen in years! Really. Thank you.
It bothers me that Hasselbleck seems more willing to give the bedwetter reacharound to Sean Hannity than to Santa Claus. Has she ever "sat down" with Santa? How can she be expected to combat the War on Xmas?
It bothers me as an American.It bothers me as an MMFA tipster.It bothers me as a manly-man. and it bothers me as a vertebrate.
They will learn...
Snoopy,
Are you advocating violence?
because........ ?
(I mean, besides the arbitrary difference you've been instructed to see, what do you think could not be accomplished at the questioning that could be at this "sit down"?)
Dex is right, specifically speaking. One is a duty of his elected office and his committee membership, the other is a meeting between the head of our forces in Iraq and the Democratic nominee for President.
It would be like saying if I went to a town hall meeting attended by my Mayor and voiced my opinion on a local issue, even questioned, and then turn around and I say I had a meeting with the Mayor.
Obama hasn't been the presumptive nominee for all that long. I'm sure that when the two men can arrange a meeting, it will take place.
Now the nonsense about this dimwits assertion that Obama would be more willing to give a fist bump to Ahmadinejad, is less than stupid.
It would be insulting to stupid people everywhere to even call what this woman said stupid.
Damn straight, WK!
Does any one know how many times their own respective senators have met with Petraeus?
These critics can recite noun-and-verse all these talking points about Senator Obama's Iraq visits and meetings with Petraeus or lack thereof, but they probably don't know squat about their own representatives.
And I'm still trying to figure out why it "doesn't count." But no one has a clear reason.
But what counts as a "fist bump"?
Bumping fists.
OK, smarty pants.
What counts as Hasselbeck's metaphorical use of "fist bump?"
Oh, that's right, SHE DOESN'T SAY. She needs the WITH patrol to define it for her.
Do you want me to defend Hasselbeck's analogy? I think my first post indicated what I think of her analysis, so you will have to ask her for more clarification or explanation.
A "fist bump" is what two people do when they are in sync with one another. A sit down meeting is exactly what it says it is, a more formal occasion where ideas are shared and/or acted upon. I hope I answered your question.
But where was "meeting or not a meeting?" first mentioned?
It was first mentioned by Dexter, while MMFA cited "attacks by conservatives for what they suggest falsely is Obama's refusal to discuss the situation in Iraq with Petraeus."
"Do you want me to defend Hasselbeck's analogy? I think my first post indicated what I think of her analysis, so you will have to ask her for more clarification or explanation."
Hate Hag Hasselbeck wouldn't respond to the question, even if I wanted to ask her. Either that, or she'd flat out LIE.
Quoting the words of CNN's and WVON-Am 1690's http://www.wvon.com Roland S. Martin, "Elisabeth Hasselbeck's a little ball of hate!" Or as I call her, a little ball of hate hag.
"I am saying that by insisting Obama has sat down with Petraeus because he questioned him at a Congressional hearing, is not sitting down for a meeting."
I missed the post where Pete insisted that Obama had sat down with Petraeus.
Hasselbeck set the goal posts with "fist bump," NOT "sitting down for a meeting."
You and the other WITH goose steppers are moving the goal posts on her behalf.
Vets For Freedom chairman Pete Hegseth also set the goal posts back on May 29th by saying Obama has "never met with General Petraeus." NO mention of "sitting down for a meeting" whatsoever, and the WITH Patrol moved the goal posts for him as well.
Dex,
You're absolutely correct...and mmfa's position is very weak in claiming a senate hearing is classified as a meeting with the general.
I'm thinking that mmfa published but failed to read the most recent article by Boehlert...which included the following comment from Brokaw:
-- too much time and too little imagination --
How many times have your Senators been defended by MMFA on this website against media misinformation? Do you even know?
Seeing as my Senators (Jon Cornyn and Kay Bailey Huchinson) are SOURCES of misinformation, the answer is zero.
None. My senators don't make national headlines, but they do vote on legislation pertaining to the occupation of Iraq.
Are you saying that it is an appropriate and valuable use of Gen. Petreus's time and energy to have on-on-one meetings with every candidate in the Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, Green, et. al. parties?
I'm not a big fan of the General's, but I would prefer for him not to be wasting his time in tete-a-tetes with Ron Paul.
I think he's saying that it's an appropriate and valuable use of Gen. Petreus's time and energy to have on-on-one meetings with every member of Congress. He can manage the occupation during his "spare time."
Questioning Petraues at a hearing does not count as meeting with him.
It most certainly does. Especially when General Betray-Us's answers are recorded as part of the public record.
It bothers me that Hasselback seems to like farm animals more than her husband. Don't ya just love generalized baseless assertions?
Self-respecting farm animals want nothing to do with Elizabeth Hasselbeck.
Self-respecting farm animals want nothing to do with Elizabeth Hasselbeck.
HASSELBECK: It bothers me as a mom. It bothers me as a working woman. It bothers me as a citizen of this country.
I mised it - sorry I don't have time to watch the video. Does she have her hand on her heart as she says this? Waving a little flag - or is there just one unfurling in the wind behind her?
<wipes the tears from his eyes>
"I believe that ear piercing "let freedom ring" Hannity song started playing in the background."
Maybe Chickenhawk Liar Sean Hannity was playing "Let Freedom Ring" when he was telling other people to fight in Desert Storm instead of him 17 years ago, as other lying right wing chickenhawk Republicans like him were doing.
REPUBLICAN HATE HAG LIAR ELISABETH HASSELBECK: It bothers me as a mom. It bothers me as a working woman. It bothers me as a citizen of this country.
"I missed it - sorry I don't have time to watch the video. Does she have her hand on her heart as she says this? Waving a little flag - or is there just one unfurling in the wind behind her?"
I don't watch the Fox Lies Channel. You have my sympathies.
As Roland Martin said earlier, Hasselbeck's a little ball of hate. I say she's a hate hag. Add them together, Hasselbeck's a little ball of hate hag.
HASSELBECK: It bothers me as a mom. It bothers me as a working woman. It bothers me as a citizen of this country.
And it bothers EM that anyone gives a damn what this worthless twit thinks. About anything. On "Survivor", she was voted off the island. Can we vote her off the planet?
I hear it had something to do with Joy, Whoopi, and farm animals.
The View for Hasselbeck must be pretty murky...
It's dark up there!!
"How the hell did that dimwit land a job on the view anyway?"
Answer #1: GOP-Disney-ABC and their corporatist conservative Republican Party bosses want ABC to be a right wing conservative Republican network, and the stupid, evil, nasty, hateful, fascist, racist, flag-scamming, blonde bimbo lying hate hag Republican Hasselbeck furthers their evil goals.
George W. Bush is a tarnished brand. They had to bring in General Petraeus as the new, untarnished brand. The first thing he did was meet with those retired Pentagon Military anaylists to get the "new Brand" going. This is just a continuation of pitting Obama against "Brand Petraeus".
People who have apparently let too much much hair bleach seep into their skull, of course, eat this propoganda stuff up with a spoon.
Might as well get Brittney & Paris on the H&C show and get their opinions about this too ::eye roll::
"Ann Coulter is getting old so someone has to do the cheesecake conservatism."
So Hate Hag Hasselbeck is sent out by GOP-Disney-ABC? Hasselbeck is 1000 times more worthless than Ol' Liar Ann, and in many ways, a lot more hateful, and an even bigger liar.
Might as well get Brittney & Paris on the H&C show and get their opinions about this too ::eye roll::
I can see it now - "Coming up on "Hannity & Colmes" The Olson Twins talk about their new book, "Liberals are Icky"." :-)
"I can see it now - "Coming up on "Hannity & Colmes" The Olson Twins talk about their new book, "Liberals are Icky"." :-)"
If either one of the Olson twins even showed minimal signs of having any sense of awareness of politics, much less concern, that would be a news story all by itself.
Although BOTH Olson Twins, drunk, sober, or in between, are both more politically astutue, and both have more common sense, than Hate Hag Hasselbeck will ever have in her entire evil, fascist, flag-scamming, racist, nasty, irrelevant life.
"Elisabeth Hasselbeck, co-host of ABC's The View, asserted of Sen. Barack Obama: "[I]t bothered me that he seemed for a while more willing to give the fist bump to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad than our own General [David] Petraeus.""
So Elisabeth is now equating Michele Obama with Ahmadinejad -- as far as I know the only person I have seen Obama fist bump. And continuing the "terrorist fist bump" story line that E.D. Hill started and got canned for. What a scumbag!!! I hate Rosie O'Donnell but she got canned for stupid crap like this and they let this waste of skin rant.
"So Elisabeth is now equating Michele Obama with Ahmadinejad -- as far as I know the only person I have seen Obama fist bump. And continuing the "terrorist fist bump" story line that E.D. Hill started and got canned for. What a scumbag!!! I hate Rosie O'Donnell but she got canned for stupid crap like this and they let this waste of skin rant."
Well, GOP-Disney-ABC is just as right wing Republican as the Fox Lies Channel. GOP-Disney-ABC and their right wing conservative Republican heads are even MORE worthless than hate hag Hasselbeck.
Obama's "meeting" with Gen.Petraeus amounted to this:
-- I want to just start off with a couple of quick questions -- Obama
And that's all there was to it...a couple of questions concerning the ability of al-Qaeda to reconstitute when we pull out...and incorporating the sunni into the Iraqi security forces.
Some meeting...a couple of quick questions.
I didn't belittle the questions posed by Obama...I did belittle the attempt by mmfa to call a senate hearing...in which Obama posed a couple of questions to Gen.Petraeus as a meeting.
I also did not make ANY comment about McCain...so you can take your mind-reading ability to the next Great Carnac convention.
Loonz, of course you're right. Any person with even 1/4 of a brain knows that it was a meeting. Right-wingers think that just because the meeting wasn't a closed-door homosexual relationship with one of the parties having too wide of a stance, it's not a true meeting. Whatever. If 100 (or possibly fewer) Senators in a room with a dozen or so testifying witnesses, along with the media, isn't considered a meeting, I don't know what is.
What difference does it make anyway? The point of this thread is Hasselbeck's nonsensical "fist bump" comment. Then along comes the WITH group of asscracks who derail the thread to some other topic - all because they have nothing to rebut the assertions made in the article.
"What difference does it make anyway? The point of this thread is Hasselbeck's nonsensical "fist bump" comment. Then along comes the WITH group of asscracks who derail the thread to some other topic - all because they have nothing to rebut the assertions made in the article."
Exactly right, Commonsense. Hasselbeck herself is an ignorant evil nasty blonde lying Republican Hate Hag, whose only purposees are lying, spewing hate, and talking lots of nonsense.
You nailed it REAL...
It often happens on the threads here. We could clean up this board if we could made a commitment to not allow the Con posters here to derail the meat of Media Matters' brilliance with inane, diversionary crap.
When Tommy or Jeter2 make a diversionary post, we need a quick slapdown, crush, and continue bashing the Re-Pukes.
As you point out, getting lost in silliness does not move our cause forward.
"You nailed it REAL...
It often happens on the threads here. We could clean up this board if we could made a commitment to not allow the Con posters here to derail the meat of Media Matters' brilliance with inane, diversionary crap. When Tommy or Jeter2 make a diversionary post, we need a quick slapdown, crush, and continue bashing the Re-Pukes.
As you point out, getting lost in silliness does not move our cause forward."
Anytime, 8. I don't even know which one of the true facts of this story is more ridiculous, or more absurd.
1. The absurd idea that a no-talent, nasty, evil, blonde bleached, fascist flag-scamming, racist, foul, lying, two-faced reality right wing Republican hate hag like Elisabeth Hasselbeck should be viewed as a credible source of commentary on the presidential election and/or an authority on major issues like foreign policy, and/or that hate hag Hasselbeck is even a credible U.S. citizen, given the fact that she is totally uninformed, consistently dishonest, is stupid, and is also a liar.
2. That she and the rest of the lying fascist flag-scamming chickenhawk right are trying to put out the ludicrous notion that a fist bump is a terrorist greeting.
Tell me, 8, or anyone else reading this, which of these is more absurd? Or are BOTH of them equally absurd?
Fair enough, Wesley, but what do you make of Hasselbeck's comments about the "fist bump" and giving more time to the dude from Iran (not attempting spelling) than Petreus?
That has to be one of the dumbest comments ever, and that's saying something. Does she really think that if elected Obama would give more time to Iran than our own generals? And as another poster said, the only fist jab Obama has given on camera was to his wife. Is she equating the two?
You may take offense at her use of the fist bump analogy...but the underlying question is still valid. Obama has stated loud and often that he would meet with Ahmadinejad...he has been less clear about his plans to meet with Gen.Petraeus.
Of course, he would meet often with Petraeus if he is elected president. It's also true that he has just recently been crowned the presumptive nominee and maybe it was pre-mature to schedule that sit down with Petraeus.
But in the current situation his inability to find the time or willingness to have a private, face to face meeting with the general could easily prompt the concern expressed by Hasselbeck. He could easily quell this concern by announcing his intentions on meeting with Petraeus.
I think that Obama will have the meeting with Petraeus...and sooner would be better than later.
-- It's difficult to make a direct analogy -- unhipcat
You answered your own question...
The difficulty in making a direct analogy is because we now have a theater commander reporting directly to Congress and bypassing the chain of command. So Petraeus' position is similar to but not the same as Shelton's.
Nice dodge, dumba$$.
The fact of the matter is, Bush refused to review information or meet with anyone prior to 9/11, after he won the presidency, even when the reports were coming out that Al Qaeda was determined to attack America.
Bush wasn't (and still isn't) doing his job - even according to your convoluted logic. Obama just became the presumptive nominee. His meeting with Petraeus, even NOW, would be premature - and incredibly, well, presumptive and egotistical.
Operation Allied Freedom ended on June 10th of 1999.
George W. Bush announced his candidacy two days later.
He narrowly escaped the obligation to meet with General Wesley Clark.
Coincidence???
You may take offense at her use of the fist bump analogy...but the underlying question is still valid. Obama has stated loud and often that he would meet with Ahmadinejad...he has been less clear about his plans to meet with Gen.Petraeus.
Patraeus is giving his assessments and opinions on a mission (whatever that is) defined by Bush. That's nice but the mission will change when Obama is president. I don't think Petraeus is prepared or capable of answering questions regarding a change in mission.
...he has been less clear about his plans to meet with Gen.Petraeus.Of course, he would meet often with Petraeus if he is elected president.
Bingo, Wesley. If Obama is president, of course he will meet with Patraeus, and in a completely different context than he would (possibly) meet with A...jad.
One is our military leader, the other is the leader of a not-so-U.S.- friendly nation. To make any sort of comparison between the two is a ridiculous and feeble smear.
I would say I can't believe that some here didn't quite get it, but I know how much hard work they put into not getting it, and I don't want to insult those hard-working Americans.
It stands to reason that obama would meet with patreaus (or whatever) if obama were president.
"You may take offense at her use of the fist bump analogy...but the underlying question is still valid. Obama has stated loud and often that he would meet with Ahmadinejad...he has been less clear about his plans to meet with Gen.Petraeus."
Seriously, Wesley? How is he going to meet Ahmadinejad if he isn't President? You answered your own question when you said he would meet with Petraeus if elected President, but are you saying he is going to with Ahmadinejad before his election (if it comes to pass)?
I can answer that in one word...ok, make it five words:
Don't be ridiculous or pedantic.
"I did not realize that moron Hasselbeck was even an authority on foreign policy. She is a jerk."
The only thing that Hate Hag Hasselbeck is an authority on is being a nasty loudmouth lying ball of hate, quoting the words of Roland S. Martin http://www.rolandsmartin.com http://www.wvon.com.
'Cuz Whoopi would have wiped the floor with her, after Michelle Obama had her say.
I'll answer them:
concerning the ability of al-Qaeda to reconstitute when we pull out
Al Qaeda has no future in Iraq because the have no natural constituency there. Al Qaeda is tolerated by some Iraqis right now because they want Americans out of their country.
...and incorporating the sunni into the Iraqi security forces.
This is a decision for the Iraqis, not us.
I was going to write a nasty e-mail to Ms. Hasselbeck, but I decided to be nice.
6/19/08
Dear Ms. Hasselbeck,
It's very disappointing to have you appear on Hannity and Colmes and just spread absolute filth. I'm so embarrassed for you.
To say that "Obama was more wlling to give a "fist bump" to Ahmadinejad than our own general Petraeus," is one of the most filthy smears I have heard in quite some time.
You are a disgrace to everything America stands for. People like you have cheapened and spit on America for how long now? I will never watch your show again.
Excellent e-mail, 8 Homes.
The only down side is that hate hag Hasselbeck and/or Hannity and O;Lielly will call Fox Security to come after you for denouncing their favorite hate hag, and hate hag Hasselbeck herself will ask her buddy Liar Bush to have you put under surveillence under the guise of the idea that criticizing unintelligent ditzy stupid evil bigoted lying right wing fascist racist Republican Hate Hags as hating America.
Notice this little tidbit Ailes' sock puppet slipped in :"trust his judgement completely"
That is un American, we never trust one person's judgement completey, that is the form of goverment the revolution was fought against. This a represenative form of goverment, we elect lots of people so that they can enforce checks and balances, in theory anyways.
What would be accomplished by a one-on-one meeting that wasn't accomplished in the Senate hearing? Obama may have only asked a couple of questions but he listened to all of the answers.
What would be accomplished by a one-on-one meeting that wasn't accomplished in the Senate hearing?
Shaggles, I asked this way at the beginning of the thread, and nobody's come up with it. I think it's another one of those situations like Rev. Wright/Rev. Hagee. It's just different. The man on the radio or the TV said it 's different because it's different.So it's different. I think I'll step out of this game of handball-against-the-drapes.
OH BOY I was hoping this bit of maronic crap would show up here after I caught this bit on H&C. What a dolt she is, and Hannity was all over her agreeing shouting praise hasselback... like he was at a bible revival. Lip gloss, a few pounds of makeup and an attitude of a wealthy suburban mom who cops an attitude every time her kid strikes out at a little league game
Call whoopie to come down to give her a whack of the reality stick
ROFL
Hasselbach: "It bothers me as a mom. It bothers me as a working woman. It bothers me as a citizen of this country."
Hmmmm..... so many of us working American moms were similarly bothered during the long Bush years. What was her point? Oh, right....
I dont think there's an American pundit who can get through a segment without using the weasal-worded phrase: "it seems" . Just insert those two words before a sentence and you can make any assertion (i.e. smear) you want.
Watch. "It seems like Hasselbeck drinks babies blood and personally felates Satan." She doesn't really, but as long as I say "it seems" first, I can say it and it's technically not a lie, which means if anyone objects to my saying it, I can use the "I have the right to my opinion" defense.
The steady drip of insidious innuendo continues by the right-wing hate machine. They cant win any other way of course but to slowly poison the mind of the public as they seed conflations with terrorists, communists and dictators in to the national record.
Drip...Obama is a Muslim...drip...Obama is a Marxist...drip...Obama is racist...drip...Obama is a radical...drip...these aren't the droids you're looking for..drip.
It BOTHERS me, Elizabeth....
- that you support the Iraq war, and the troops so passionately, so WHY DOESN'T YOUR HUBBY,TIM HASSELBECK, the football player ENLIST ???
WE could use a young healthy football player to serve over there. Why not ? Where' s your patriotism now ?
Pat Tilman enlisted.
"It BOTHERS me, Elizabeth....
- that you support the Iraq war, and the troops so passionately, so WHY DOESN'T YOUR HUBBY,TIM HASSELBECK, the football player ENLIST ???
WE could use a young healthy football player to serve over there. Why not ? Where' s your patriotism now ?
Pat Tilman enlisted."
Pat Tilman was not a flag-scamming conservative Republican chickenhawk liar. Tim Hasselbeck is more likely than not to be a flag-scamming conservative Republican chickenhawk liar. Much the same as Elisabeth herself is a flag-scamming conservative Republican Hate Hag chickenhawk liar.
1. Why does anyone care what she thinks anyway?
2. Since she's convinced it's a secret terrorist handshake or some such nonsense to begin with, that it would bother her that Obama wouldn't give one Petraeus makes no sense.
Sadly, that's true for the lying right wing fascist racist ignorant flag-scamming Republican fools, all of whom are sorry excuses for both U.S. Citizens and for human beings All of them are just as dumb or DUMBER than Hasselbeck continues to be.
As I said before, and I will continue to say, Elisabeth Hasselbeck is a little ball of Republican Hate Hag.
Pretty outside, evil inside.
That about sums it up, for the Republican party these days. Talking points for the public outside, deals inside.
"It bothers me that Hasselback seems to like farm animals more than her husband. Don't ya just love generalized baseless assertions?"
"Self-respecting farm animals want nothing to do with Elizabeth Hasselbeck."
Hate Hag Hasselbeck is both the IN-human version of the lower end of a horse, and what comes out of the horse after it processes the hay.
I'm constantly amazed that when sitting on any Fox news set, people will spout the most idiotic, inane, nonsense imaginable. Like no one's going to notice.
Then, I'm even more amazed that when dissecting the idiotic quotes reported on MMFA, the crowd starts going after each other for the most idiotic, inane, nonsense imaginable.
The reason someone like Tommy has as much fun as he has on this site is because he baits y'all with a reasonable post, then his inner English teacher takes over and he starts arguing about the meaning of the word "is," ala Bill Clinton. It's a predictable pattern and some of you apparently love arguing with door knobs and tools.