Savage to Media Matters: "I stand by my words"
On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said of the organization he called "the homosexual mafia group Media Matters": "They're a fascist, homo-- goes out of their way to misquote me, take me out of context, and try to get me in trouble with people who love me. I stand by my words. Media Mat-- and that's it. And that's where I'm going to leave it."
After Media Matters for America documented comments made by Michael Savage on his July 16 radio show, on which Savage described autism as "[a] fraud, a racket," Savage said on July 18 of the organization he called "the homosexual mafia group Media Matters": "They're a fascist, homo-- goes out of their way to misquote me, take me out of context, and try to get me in trouble with people who love me. I stand by my words. Media Mat-- and that's it. And that's where I'm going to leave it."
As Media Matters noted, Savage said on July 16: "I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "
On July 21, The New York Times reported in a story posted on its website that "in a telephone interview Monday morning," Savage "stood by his remarks and had no intention of apologizing to those advocates and parents who have called for his firing over the matter." From the Times:
"My main point remains true," Mr. Savage, whose radio audience ranks in size behind only those of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, said in an interview on Monday. "It is an overdiagnosed medical condition. In my readings, there is no definitive medical diagnosis for autism."
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Asked Monday if he actually believed that 99 out every 100 cases of autism were misdiagnosed, Mr. Savage conceded that figure was "a little high." He added, "It was hyperbole."
In addition, Savage posted the following statement on his website:
My comments about autism were meant to boldly awaken parents and children to the medical community's attempt to label too many children or adults as "autistic."
Just as some drug companies have overdiagnosed "ADD" and "ADHD" to peddle dangerous speed-like drugs to children as young as 4 years of age, this cartel of doctors and drug companies is now creating a national panic by overdiagnosing "autism, for which there is no definitive medical diagnosis!
Many children are being victimized by being diagnosed with an "illness" which may not exist, in all cases. Just a few weeks ago doctors recommended dangerous anti-cholesterol drugs for children as young as 2 years of age! Without any scientific studies on the possible dangers of such drugs on children, corrupt doctors made this controversial, unscientific recommendation.
Increasingly, our children are being used as profit centers by a greedy, corrupt medical/pharmaceutical establishment. As the brother of a severely disabled person who suffered and died in a New York "snake-pit" of a "mental hospital," I know first-hand what true disability is.
To permit greedy doctors to include children in medical categories which may not be appropriate is a crime against that child and their family. Let the truly autistic be treated. Let the falsely diagnosed be free.
From the July 18 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: All right. We'll go to the callers now on The Savage Nation. You know where I am, philosophically and politically, and you certainly don't agree with everything I say, and I understand that. Certain things I say offend people, for obvious reasons. You know, it depends upon whose ox is being gored and why and what they have at stake and what's personally involved. And there are so many issues, you can't please all the people all the time, but you can try to please yourself all of the time. Because I believe in the adage "To thine ownself be true."
Now, I don't know when it became illegal to be a skeptic, but apparently, it's illegal to be a skeptic in America today. For example, anyone who's skeptical of Al Gore's con with global warming -- when I started being skeptical of him two years ago because I'm actually trained in science -- I was called every name under the sun. And the big guns in global warming business started to attack anyone who dared attack their theory that all of global warming was induced by man and that we'd all die if we didn't stop it by giving up our life to Al Gore and his carbon machine.
But as time went on, more and more scientists came forward and said, "Wait a minute, now. A, the threat is not that great, and B, we're not causing it." In fact, the founder of The Weather Channel has challenged Al Gore to a debate. He won't debate him. In fact, thousands of reputable scientists have now stood up to Al Gore and his machine. And you see a certain movement, a little bit teenier away from that global warming hysteria of even a year ago.
There are other areas, and I don't want to go into them now, but when you gore someone's ox and you're the first one to do so, you're called every name under the sun. But I was trained in science. I'm skeptical of many claims, including claims about diseases that are tied into drug companies and tied into federal programs, and I think the overdiagnosis of certain diseases is an epidemic unto itself in this country. And it's all tied into treating children, in some cases, for illnesses that don't exist.
For example, how many years have I told you -- for how many years have I told you that ADD is a faulty diagnosis in a large percent of cases? How many years have I told you that, in England, for example, the medical establishment rarely accepts ADD as a diagnostic criteria -- in other words, it doesn't exist. It was invented primarily by the drug companies who wanted to sell the dangerous drug called Ritalin to control children.
Now, when I said these things, I was called every name under the sun. And of course, I wrote the book Healing Children Naturally to try to show you alternatives for -- to using drugs. Then I wake up two weeks ago and find out that the criminal pediatricians -- they're not all like this, but unfortunately, their guild, the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is a guild, is now pushing cholesterol-lowering drugs for children as young as 8. There's no science to show that lowering cholesterol, to begin with, reduces the actual number of heart attacks, let alone death. It lowers cholest-- they lower cholesterol for sure, but of course, there's some liver damage in adults, there's muscular damage in adults. What effect will lowering cholesterol -- using anti-cholesterol drugs in children have? Well, they don't know. All that matters is that the American Academy of Pediatrics, so-called, is now pushing more drugs for children. So now when I attack that, I'm called every name under the sun, primarily by the guilds involved in pushing the drugs by increasing people's fears. But I was raised to be a skeptical scientist.
In 1982, I wrote a book called The Skeptical Nutritionist, where, even though I was trained in the field and have a first-rate degree in the field, I myself wrote a book called The Skeptical Nutritionist, published by Macmillan. It's actually still an excellent book. It's not available, nor am I trying to sell it to you. What I'm saying is, be careful before you let people diagnose your child with an illness. It may not be an illness, it may be a faulty diagnosis. And it may be guilds or doctors or pharmaceutical companies trying to push treatments upon you for your child.
And nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling, in my case, my brother, who was born brain-damaged. So please, I don't want to hear that I'm insensitive from people who are making these false accusations, because many of them have no children of their own and they're connected with the homosexual mafia group Media Matters, none of whom have children of their own. They're a fascist, homo-- goes out of their way to misquote me, take me out of context, and try to get me in trouble with people who love me. I stand by my words. Media Mat-- and that's it. And that's where I'm going to leave it.
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Congratulations Media Matters! You are now on the list of homosexual mafia groups, and oh, you're fascist as well for printing Michael's own words, in context I might add. How dare you try to hold Savage accountable for something he said on the radio airwaves.
I am also thinking that Mr. Savage does not really know the meaning of "fascist" as most don't seem to know it, and throw it around like they do.
They're a fascist, homo--
Super...! Girls, let's all dress up in tall leather boots and take over the world. ;>)
"and try to get me in trouble with people who love me."
Ain't love grand?
Sometimes its hard for Savage Nation
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And I'll have good times
Doing things that you don't understand
But if you love me you'll forgive me
Even though I'm hard to understand
And if you love me
Oh be proud of me
And defend me as if I were your man
Stand by my words
Spew my BS that you cling to
And something that's made up too
When my lies are heard verbatum
Stand by your man
And tell the world you love me
And keep sticking up for me
Stand by your man
Now it's time to piss off Phil and Ozone boy by doing just what they expect.
Everyone, here is a petition to get savage removed from the air. Please do your part to help by signing. Pass it on too!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/486739008?z00m=15830668&s_kwcid=michael%20savage|1477600410
Memo to Mr. Savage (after Hank Greenspun):
"Show us your facts, please!"
Ooh! Ooh! Mr. Kotter!
The savage one on Beck last night: "<sob!> Those meanies at MMFA keep taking me out of context! <sob!> You have to listen to me for the full show to know I would eventually pull something outta my keester to cover my tracks! <sob!>"
I sincerely doubt anyone hates you, POV/S. It is your unbending adherance to ignorant ideas and ignorant language that garners you ire and mistrust. But this isn't about you.
It is too bad that Michael Savage has to say the things he does, and say them in the way that he does. He actually has some valid concerns about overmedicating children and using more natural techniques to get better and safer results. I myself use allopathic medicine where indicated. But I use naturopathic medicine for most everything else. And the drug companies do want to push dangerous drugs. There are many more deaths each year due to legal drugs than illegal drugs. So he has a point.
However, his words about autism are stupid, inflammatory and absolutely not helpful. If he was truly concerned about the plight of people with autism, he would not take this approach. And he should take his own advice:
'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.'
I say, scientist man, heal thyself. Heal your rancid soul, rancid heart and bitter tongue.
Whatever sense this guy makes is so overshadowed by his idiotic hyperbole and hatefulness.
Right on: Stupid, inflammatory and not helpful. Extra emphasis on the stupid part.
My child has been diagnosed on the autism spectrum. I have run into more teachers than I care to think about who share some degree of Mr. Savage's ignorance. The tears that they have made my child cry burn me like acid.
It's a free country. But someone with a national audience should be held accountable when they spew outright BS, in a way that makes things worse for people already a rung down on the ladder.
Please call your local Savage outlet and let them know his advertisers have seen your last dollar. That's the only message this moron will ever understand.
Better watch yourself BigBoy..you may get caught in this "homosexual fascist nest" and never be the same again. We even love dogs here.
How can anyone take Mikey seriously when he calls people names like that..remember, he has a microphone and a national radio audience. He should and must be held responsible for his terrible statement.
I have sent his tirade, ALLOF IT, to many associates and everyone has responded that someone must do something about nonsense like this. I just ask them to sent it to people they know. Mikey wants NATIONAL OUTRAGE...he'll get it...
And to quote a tune from BARNUM, no wise cracks please..
ONE BRICK AT A TIME....
POV,
I don't think anyone here hates you (I can only speak for myself), but we disagree with you, at times vehemently. I would say that some days we hate your opinions, but not you personally. If anything I have said comes across as more than disagreement with your opinions, I would hope you would call me on it.
As for Savage, well, he is what he is. If he stands by his words, that is the only thing I have seen in him that I can admire. I am glad to know where he stands even if its in a dark, dark place.
Fried
Hey Fried, dont worry. I am just having a little fun. I was just reading back on some of the comments that have been made to me recently and then came across the Savage thread. It just made me laugh, and then made me wonder what a "homosexual mafia" would look like. I just dont understand Savage. I do not listen to him often at all, but he can really be good at times when he wants to be. Then he has things like this. I just dont know what his point is anymore, or what he is trying to prove.
made me wonder what a "homosexual mafia" would look like.
Kind of gives a whole new meaning to "whacking" someone.
It just made me laugh, and then made me wonder what a "homosexual mafia" would look like.
I'm sure they'd be very well-dressed......
:-)
If he stood by his words, he wouldn't pretend to be misquoted.
This is a request, with a please, even. Do you really want to make it about you? Is your opinion so fragile that someone stating a different one makes you think yours will somehow be shut down?
It's very hard for many people to understand why you like Weiner when so much of what he says is hateful and disturbing.
It's very hard for many people to understand why you like Weiner when so much of what he says is hateful and disturbing.
Perhaps the people who like Weiner are equally hateful and disturbing....
"It's very hard for many people to understand why you like Weiner when so much of what he says is hateful and disturbing."
I often wonder the same thing about those who love and respect all the different posters at mmfa. With all the hatefullness that comes out of the keyboards by these very same people you are joining with by saying someone is evil, how does that fit within your Christian faith that you claim evil from hatefullness by one man but ignore it from others?
"If he stood by his words, he wouldn't pretend to be misquoted."
He was misquoted. that title of the original thread was misleading.
Jesus loves you, POV... I can't speak for everybody else... ;>)
Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw once:
JESUS LOVES YOU -
EVERYONE ELSE THINKS
YOU'RE AN A$$HOLE
:-)
I don't hate ya, POV. Besides, my knickers are no longer in a wad, so we're good. ;)
POV, I actually believe that you are the second best poster here. By the way, everyone else is tied for first. YUK YUK.
Such a love fest, Savage may be right.
Nobody "hates" you, POV.
Hating you would give you a level of importance you're just never going to reach... :)
You are overlooking the reason Michael Savage referred to you as the homosexual mafia. It is a result of his experience with Media Matters bloggers who once broke into his apartment and redecorated it. In puce and mauve, I think.
My personal opinion is that MM is one of the best news sites in the country and I use it as my homepage so that I can read it every day.
Keep up the good work, you fascist, homosexual mafia dons. Har! Har!
"Wah wah wah... just cram it"
And, we see that hatefullness isn't limited to just Savage. Glad to see solon is back in town. Mary? are you catching any of this hatefullness? You know, from the people you admire.
A good superhero villain only requires that you suspend disbelief, not reality.
Savage would not be a very good villain.
"when you gore someone's ox and you're the first one to do so, you're called every name under the sun."
All you people can do is pick at him! He is right.
All you people can do is pick at him!
And all he can do is whine piteously that people are picking at him.
He is right.
Yes, far right.
- SAVAGE IS SMARTER THAN YOU
How clever of you to choose an imbecilic name like that and spew useless venom here at MMFA. I know there are piles of dog poop in my back your that are far smarter than you are.
And I don't have kids, yet somehow I know that autistic people aren't faking it. How is that possible?
Savage said pretty much exactly what I predicted. Thing is he isn't a doctor or a psychologist and he's had no personal interaction with any of the people he claims were misdiagnosed. So HTF would he know?
Actually, he IS a doctor. He got his doctorate in Bezerkeley.
Did you read the mmfa article? Mainly this part--- "Asked Monday if he actually believed that 99 out every 100 cases of autism were misdiagnosed, Mr. Savage conceded that figure was "a little high." He added, "It was hyperbole.". So he says that his number is just for shock value. The autism expert on Monday said realistically around 50-60% would be more like it. The expert also said that thanks to the government forcing it's people to take poison the valid cases are rising.
Imagine that! Pharmacuetical companies are providing poison, in vaccines, that cause autism and none of you show any displeasure with them, but when Savage states that many autism cases are frauds you go bonkers.
So, I take it that liberals are OK with the government causing more autism cases than usual, as long as nobody points out that false diagnosis's are being made?
Phil,
He provided exactly no evidence except for a crude theory on autism. Do you believe that people were faking asthma too?
"Do you believe that people were faking asthma too?"
Yes, some people do fake asthma. Do you believe every doctor is correct with their diagnosis?
Yes. My sister-in-law and her 4 year old daughter.
I answered your question, now answer mine. Please.
I do not know every single doc in existence so I cannot answer your question, sorry.
So why do those two you know 'fake' asthma? Assuming that you're being honest, of course...
What a sorry ass answer. It takes no more then a little common scense to KNOW, there are doctors out there that miss-diagnose patients.
It is sounds statisticly that 1 out of every 160 kids has autism. What a joke. Hell, I had several ticks growing up. These days they would have put me on medication. Thanks, but no thanks.
What I also find intersting, is the double standards here. I have read so many times on here how there is a dislike for drug corporations and the big money. Many on here, including me, would like to squash these big corporations. How do you expect to bring public awarness toi such a issue? Savage just did and all you can do is this about the humanitarian side of things. Which is what these drug companies LOVE! Keep up the good work people. You can not have your cake and eat it to.
Scam? Ahahahaha! Listen, do us a favor - don't quit your day job cuz your 'comedy skills' aren't up to scratch. Not even close.
The only one being 'scammed' is YOU... listening and buying into that Thing's trash. Perhaps YOU could use some meds...
I would second that...
I'm really not sure what he/she was trying to post. Frantic keystrokes and foaming at the mouth tend to have that effect.
"I cannot answer your question, sorry."
Don't worry. I expected as much. You are a liberal, after all. Everyone knows liberals are afraid to answer questions that they don't understand. Maybe you can get help from one of your many liberal freinds who are so intelligent.
Yawn...
Philib with his usual 'librul this and librul that' rubbish... yawn again.
Harsh. But why bring your background family issues to MMfA (without a sound clip).
Do you believe every doctor is wrong with every diagnosis?
Faking asthma? Now that's just ignorant. However, his statement about autism has validity but not his original on air rant, which was ridiculous. I am also one who thinks that there is a link between autism and vaccines. There is a lot of documentation on this, despite the CDC's denials.
As Julia said earlier, Weiner's very stupid on air comments did nothing to further an understanding of autism, and it is hateful and hurtful to parents who are struggling to help an autistic child.
" Weiner's very stupid on air comments did nothing to further an understanding of autism, and it is hateful and hurtful to parents who are struggling to help an autistic child."
While very stupid, his statement DID cause a furthering of understanding on the disease of autism. Parents should be proud of Savage for this. HE is the one who instigated this entire conversation. And, if mmfa has it's way, this will be a nationwide campaign against Savage. With AUTISM being at the forefront of the campaign.
How many people knew about the connection of vaccines and autism before this topic made the news? I'll bet you and I were the only ones. Now, there may be millions who will avoid the autism causing shots.
How many people will now 'give' to the local 'support autism chapter' because of this controversy? I think Savage and mmfa did autism a big favor, and to hate Savage because he denounced autism while failing to love him for putting causes of autism in the news is just wrong. He singlehandedly brought instant popularity to the causes and concerns brought on by autism. I would be totally surprised if this year isn't the highest donation year for autistic programs. All thanks to Michael Savage.
I guess the optimist in me goes out of control sometimes. I'm sure one of you liberal posters will dutifily put me back in my place by telling me I'm an ***** (you fill in the blank) for supporting what Savage said.
How many people knew about the connection of vaccines and autism before this topic made the news? I'll bet you and I were the only ones. Now, there may be millions who will avoid the autism causing shots.
RFK Jr. has been talking about this for YEARS! You're head must have been in the sand all that time.
"RFK Jr. has been talking about this for YEARS!"
I can't believe you would use someone as an argueing point who goes against liberal beliefs in the 'mainstream' medical society. I thought you people reject everything that isn't supported by 'mainstream' scientists/medical personal. Are you saying that the mainstream medical community doesn't know what their talking about? How 'bout scientists? Are they all quacks too? Does that change everything you've been taught about medicine or even creationism? Or, do you just believe whoever best suits your cause then dismiss the rest as nutcases?
Kennedy authored a June 2005 article in Rolling Stone alleging connections between the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal in inoculations and childhood autism. Mainstream medical opinion is that there is no convincing scientific evidence to support this allegation. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr. )
"You're head must have been in the sand all that time."
I don't think I've ever taken a flu shot since the army made me....30 years ago. I believe I'm ahead of the curve with no sand in my ears.
And what class he brings to the table. Hey, I've got an idea. Let's try to instigate a national conversation on autism by telling everyone that most people out there fake it, and they don't have a dad with the balls to smack him upside the head and say stop faking it!
And while we're at it, let's start a conversation about asthma by telling everyone that poor minorities fake it so they can illegally siphon money from the government through all those liberal handouts!
If that's how right wingers "start conversations" then it's no wonder you're despised world wide. If you said that to my face you'd be eating concrete by now.
Wow ... Did I just have a flash back to grade school?
Damn, Dublin....
"but I believe that the vast majority, not just 1% of them, are."
Are you going to be vague? Put a number on it. How many? What percentage... in your opinion. Don't worry, nobody will hold you accountable for stating your opinion on how many doctors misdiagnose their patients. It's not like there's a company out there that searches and searches for opinions to rail against when they seem 'tweeked'.
And when you put a number on that, remember that anyone who thinks there are less than that will call you a hater for pronouncing that a higher number of quacks exsist than they think. So, when you guess...guess low or you'll be hated and hounded like Savage is. After all, so many posters are more than willing to share that 'opinions are always welcome' ....just before they slam the latest opinion that differs from theirs.
Yes, he is as much a doctor as is Dr. Laura -- and she's not a medical doctor either. He does have a doctorate from Berkeley for writing a thesis in "Nutritional Ethnomedicine"... but what exactly does that mean? What department gave that degree? Was it a disbanded interdisciplinary committee? Who else has ever received a PhD in "Nutritional Ethnomedicine"?
Uh, it's jealous and, no, nothing to be jealous over. A bitter old geezer whose works are marginal and that's being very generous? A washed-up idiot who, instead of being world-renowned for conducting scientific research that has TRUE benefits and advances the medical field, sits lonely and brooding in a radio studio spewing hate?
Jealous? Not even close...
Actually, he IS a doctor. He got his doctorate in Bezerkeley.
From Wikipedia:
He (Michael Savage) holds master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_%28commentator%29
Following the link to find out what ethnomedicine is:
Ethnomedicine is a sub-field of ethnobotany or medical anthropology that deals with the study of traditional medicines: not only those that have relevant written sources (e.g. Traditional Chinese Medicine, Ayurveda), but especially those, whose knowledge and practices have been orally transmitted over the centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnomedicine
So while Michael Weiner does have a Ph. D, he is NOT a medical doctor, and should not be diagnosing ailments over the radio. He should leave that to Dr. Dean Edell......
Actually, he IS a doctor.
So is Henry Kissinger. Why don't people go to him for cancer treatments? For the same reason they don't go to Weiner. He isn't a medical doctor. Not even close.
For being such a "scientist" - why does Mr Weiner have to stoop to lazy name calling to defend himself? Cuz that is what he does - that is ALL he does.
Savage: "They're a fascist, homo-- goes out of their way to misquote me, take me out of context, and try to get me in trouble with people who love me. I stand by my words. Media Mat-- and that's it. And that's where I'm going to leave it."
Am I alone in thinking that it sounds as though Savage's producer cut into the broadcast's digital delay to keep what Savage said after "homo--" and "Media Mat--" from going to air? How I would LOVE to hear the station's full recording of what he actually said.
At least he didn't use the term "Media Myrmidons for Morons", unlike some other people.
BTW, am I allowed to have disagreements and criticisms with MMFA?
I think that by putting the audio clips of his broadcasts up you are probably turning people on to Savage instead of hurting him. Some people will always hate him no matter what, but there are some that will realize that what he professes is based on logic and not blind emotion. Also, what would you have done with Mr. Savage? Would you really propose that a man with tens of millions of listeners and supporters is kicked off the air because a few thousand people disagree with his OPINION? By the way, nothing will happen to him in the long run. He will go on having millions of listeners and the left will go on attempting guerrilla strikes on his personality and beliefs. The mob led witch trials may work against the likes of small-time personalities like Imus and that Seinfeld actor but it won't make a dent in someone that is involved in an industry that generates more money than all of us combined. Keep up the good fight though, it makes the news interesting for junkies like me.
P.S. To save you all the effort, I am an ignorant, homophobic, backwards, fundamentalist hick. Glad I got that out of the way :)
Here, let me help you with your post...
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"I think that by putting the audio clips of his broadcasts up you are probably turning people on to the reality of Savage instead of allowing them to continue to be ignorant of him. Some people will always hate him no matter what, but there are some that will realize that what he professes is based on utter stupidity, ignorance, and prejudice and not genuine intelligence. Also, what would you have done with Mr. Savage? Would you really propose that a man with tens of millions of listeners and supporters should lose his advertisers and their customers because millions of intelligent and educated people think he's an absolute idiot with no positive redeeming values whatsoever and disagree with his OPINIONS because they are based on utter stupidity, ignorance, and prejudice? By the way, sad to say, nothing will happen to him in the long run... unless he gives himself a coronary or a stroke on the air. He will go on having a few thousand hardcore dummy listeners and the intelligent among us will go on pointing out when he is factually incorrect and disgustingly offensive. The masses led witch trials which did work against the likes of small-minded and small 'you-know-whatted' personalities like Imus and that Seinfeld actor and it will make a dent in someone that is involved in a scam industry that generates more money than all of us combined. Keep up the good fight though, it makes the news intellectually challenging for losers who need a life like me."
P.S. To save you all the effort, I am an ignorant, homophobic, backwards, fundamentalist hick. Glad I got that out of the way :) Not gonna argue with you on that one!
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There. That's better.
Can't BREATH, laughing too hard...
I hope Savage reads it. I know he comes here... he yacks about it almost every night... he can't get enough of this place.
Here, Mikey. HEEERE. Come and get it, you miserable scumbag. Go ahead and put it on the air!
So Bunny from your post it appears that you listen to the Savage Weiner from time to time.
How do you detox after a session? Fog horn to the ear or at home lobotomy with a wire hook? I cannot handle more then a few min myself without feeling the need to smash something.
Once in a while when I am stuck in traffic. The local station that carries him doesn't have much of a reach... maybe a 10-mile radiius at best, lol, so I catch him for a few minutes when possible. Sick, isn't it? Just like looking at a horrible wreck, you don't want to, but...
Detox? PBS, and lots of it. Bill Moyers is good as he brings me back to reality with the constant Bush-exposing. Just not during the pledge drives. No MSM. My CD/DVD collection does wonders as well. Books... Stephen King works well. :)
question; "So Bunny from your post it appears that you listen to the Savage Weiner from time to time. How do you detox after a session?"
answer; "Once in a while when I am stuck in traffic. The local station that carries him doesn't have much of a reach... maybe a 10-mile radiius at best, lol, so I catch him for a few minutes when possible. Sick, isn't it?"
Yes, very sick. What a liar! You search for the Savage show and are happy when it comes in on a weak station for a "few minutes" every chance you get. Tell the truth, you listen to him daily. You don't even detox, because you know he's right many times. It would just be embarrassing for your liberal friends to find out that you listen to Savage every day. The only variable is whether it's for 1 hour, 2 hours or the full 3 hours. But, you search for his show daily.
You're a real piece of work, man. I actually pity you.
Seek help soon, you need it desperately.
Hey jackass! Are you aware that there actually ARE people... even, my god, LIBERALS... who listen to these morons so that they can come here and post about them?
Obviously, MM listens to them too and guess what, bright boy? They do it for the same reasons. :O
Now take your sorry ass back to your rock, crawl under it, and stay there until you decide to wise up and gain intelligence. Not to worry, though, I won't be holding my breath.
Just making sure :)
Back to the OT, has anyone read Dr. Savage's medical books, like Healing Children Naturally? How, according to him, does one treat the genuinely autistic and the genuinely hyperactive (and not the "fakers" that need a "PAY ATTENTION, PLEASE!")
I will agree with some of Savage's criticisms about the medical-pharmaceutical industry (I've been into alternative medicine for... wow 10 years now), as I do think the main objective for them is to make money, like any other business, and the only time they do is when you get sick and buy their products. And I do think some of that bleeds into the insurance field as well (IMO the best health insurance plan is to never get sick).
Now, I heard the leading comments that started this whole debacle (on his radio show), and TBH, I started to think that autism was in fact an invented disease (and I'll admit, I don't know much about autism), and I'll have to give props to MMFA in helping clarify the legitimacy of autism (and if it wasn't for MMFA, Savage would have never had to give his clarifying comments).
BTW, is Liberalism really a mental disorder? ;)
Only when diagnosed by a lunatic.
Pay heed to your understanding of pharmaceutical companies and their primary goal of profit, and take note that some "doctors" with loud voices who defer to the same goal fit that business model.
How can anybody be so stupid as to think that pharmaceutical companies are somehow making money off this?! THERE IS NO PILL FOR AUTISM!!!!
And as for those morons in the last thread who talked about DIAGNOPSIS SHOPPING - I have news for you: In most states the therapy for autism isn't covered for 1 cent by insurance! So please explain what the $ motive is for (1) parents to shop around for a diagnosis that has no available medicine and who's therapy is not coverer by insurance (2) doctors to diagnose something they can't do anything about (thus no $$$ to be made by DOCTORS) and (3) HOW THE HELL would Big Pharma even comes into it?! THERE IS NO PILL FOR AUTISM! THERE IS NO PILL FOR AUTISM! THERE IS NO PILL FOR AUTISM!
If he had any point at all, it was a minisucle one. More like 99% of cases are legit and 1% are overdiagnosed. That may minimize the problem, but only slightly, and its far closer to the reality that I've observed in my sons' schools and my sons speech therapy clinics. In fact, I've met dozens of childeren, at all levels of developmental functionality, and I have yet to meet A SINGLE ONE that I didn't think was legitimatly autistic. SO WHERE ARE ALL THE FAKERS? HUH? I'VE MEANT DOZENS OF AUTISTICS, BUT NO FAKERS SO FAR!!!! If you're hyperactive your better off with an ADHD diagnosis anyway: THEY HAVE A PILL FOR THAT!!!
And as for Savage's Books? He advocates BS homeopathic crap that has no place in legitimate medicine. All his nutritional stuff is nonsense that has been all but abandoned by mainstream medicine. THAT'S why he's bitter. That's why he's railing against doctors who are busy doing REAL research while he sits on his @$$ in a radio booth.
And there ARE cleary defined criterion for diagnosing autism. Just beacue it's not a simple as a blood test doesn't mean there's no objective criteria. AND IT'S NOT DIAGNOSED BY DOCTORS! IT IS DIAGNOSED BY SPECIALISTS IN THE FIELD. IF YOUR PEDI or PCP says "AUTISM" HE IS A QUACK! If you want to be sure, and get a PROPER diagnosis, get refered to a SPECIALIST in the field!!!
His whole rant STILL drips of abject IGNORANCE!!!!
Eddie,
I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. I wasn't implying that big pharma was making money off drugs for autism, merely pointing out the "profit-as-priority" attitude apparently shared by them and doctor savage-weiner.
It just seemed to me that if you're going to expect one institution to act that way, it would be hard to ignore the more blatant example of it by another.
Obviously this is an issue that I take very seriouly and at times personally. (Ya think?) And I don't want any ONE person to think that my overall level of frustration is aimed solely at them. It's just that in an effort to tease out the legitimate points in this rant (and although they are covered in s#!t, Savage did have one or two) a lot of the same misconceptions have been raised.
You make a legimate point, but it's a bit of a false comaparison. The diagnosis of ADHD is more subjective than with Autism, and the treatment of ADHD is clear and covered by insurance, which not the case with autism.
Bottom line: No parent is rushing to label their kid autistic. Many will reist the diagnosis even after they've gotten it. For example: There's a girl down the street from me, who's in grade school. I, her teacher and a therapist who used to live next door to us were ALL convinced she had a moderate case of Aspberger's Syndrome (on the Autistic Spectrum) and let me tell you - she has been medicated for everything ELSE under the sun, but her parents remain in denial about something that is obvious to anyone who kows the signs and spends any amount of time with her. And guess what? None of the medication has helped. (Imagine that!)
When a parent hears ADHD, they are likely to think: GOOD NEWS! (1) I know why s/he's doing poorly in school (2) There a pill for it, so it can be managed or cured and (3) it's covered by insurance. With the Autim diagonsis, esp Kanner's Syndrome / Classic Autism, there's nothing but BAD NEWS: (1) You know why, but (2) there's no cure, not even medication, and therapy is only sometimes effective, to varying degrees and (3) is NOT covered by most insurance plans, in most states. So the two are just not a fair comparison.
Plus, there is something that irks me about conservative philosphy in general, and that is the tendency to dismiss very new discovery by the scientific community if it doesn't fit their preconciveed notions about the world, or challenges their idea of "right" and "wrong." You see it with Global Warming, Evolution, Stem Cell research, and now with the rise in Autism. Rather than admit that there just might be SOMETHING going on that NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED FURTHER and possibly needs to be DEALT WITH, they are more likely to attack the scientific community, dissmiss theoir results (with a lot of bogus, nonsense arguments that the unwashed masses still lap up) and demean those who's new research support the growing consensus. From my onw POV: If the researchers say it's on the rise, then as far as I'm concerned IT'S ON THE RISE, at least until we have a better understanding of what it is we're really seeing. If the data says otherwise in 5 or 0 years, then GREAT! But is that becasue the scientists got it wrong? (Which is the typical conservative answer) or because treatment and special eductaion is in fact WORKING. (That's the liberal answer that the con's will be dismissive of.) The truth is often in between, but the conversation is never well served by false comparisons, debunked mis-information, outdated data and to overall clinging to the idea that nothing in the world, or our evironement, or our overall KNOWLDGE BASE ever changes.
I will agree with some of Savage's criticisms about the medical-pharmaceutical industry (I've been into alternative medicine for... wow 10 years now), as I do think the main objective for them is to make money.
Thank goodness the all-natural non-evidence based herbal products are being produced and sold only for high moral purposes. (snark) Get your magnetic bracelet here.
I may be a conservative, but I applaud what is done on this website, holding people accountable for their own words. I am the father of an autistic son. I sleep comfortably at night, knowing that my son's illness does not come from my failure to call him a putz, fool, idiot, moron or girl.
I love how Weiner is taking a page straight out of his archrival Bill O'Reilly's playbook. (1) Ignore what he actually said (autism is a fraud caused by wimpy fathers striving for a government payout) (2) Pretend he said something completely different (the greedy medical establishment is misdiagnosing autism, thereby victimizing the very families he attacked on July 16) (3) defend the new statement as what he said all along and refuse to disown the statement that he never, in fact, made; and (4) engage in some shameless demagoguery about the medical establishment to placate his listeners and (5) attack people who point out what he actually said for taking him out-of-context.
Please don't let him get away with this crap. I for one am going to stay after him until he is fired.
Every statement Michael Savage makes about any subject clearly reveals a vicious mind-set with not a shred of intelligence or insight.
Just as clearly, he glories in this vileness for a like-minded poisoner-of-life audience that wallows in the moronic delusion of battling on the front lines against the liberal-commie hordes.
So why dignify his brain-dead rants with detailed, rational, humane, but futile responses? All this does, unfortunately, is stoke his and his fanboys’ childish bigotry.
What I'm saying is, be careful before you let people diagnose your child with an illness. It may not be an illness, it may be a faulty diagnosis. And it may be guilds or doctors or pharmaceutical companies trying to push treatments upon you for your child.
IF Savage had originally made that statement there wouldn't be a problem however he CHOOSE to act like an a** and make disgusting statements about families with children afflicted with autism. And instead of simply saying he was wrong and his comments inappropriate, he whines like a wimp and AGAIN makes nasty comments about MMFA.
I don't wish Savage ill will however I do wish he was the cockroach that I step on and smashed.
That wouldn't be ill, that would be humanitarian, Pearlene.
Frankly, I don't think he should get off so easy...
And nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling, in my case, my brother, who was born brain-damaged.
There's just too much material to work with there for someone who's meaner than I am.
No, I think he's relating his bitterness because his brain-damaged brother caused him more suffering than anyone else.
He has a point. Why would his brother do that to him?
"And nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling, in my case, my brother, who was born brain-damaged.
There's just too much material to work with there for someone who's meaner than I am."
Does that ring a bell?
SAVAGE IS GOING AGAINST A TIDE WITH SUCH POWER SO MUCH MONEY AND LOBBYIST THAT HE IS WAY OUT THERE ON A LIMB. HE HASENT AFFECTED THERE BOTTOM LINE BUT IF HE DOES RUTHLESS COMPANYS ARE NOT ABOVE ANYTHING TO PROTECT THERE PROPHETS. I ADMIRE HIS COURAGE. JOSEPH CAPRIO
Get a grip. He verbally assaulted children with disabilities on national radio. Say goodbye to your hero.
Clattering and callous cacophony of caplocks.
Well, this thread has certainly become an aloof allotment of alliterate alluvium.
You left out "Agnewistic"
M/17/NYC?
FAIL!!
Did I say it was taken out of context? I was pointing out the fact that the above-poster exhibited FAULTY logic by claiming a contradiction where one does not exist. I happen to think that Savage was NOT taken out of context but that is unrelated to the point I was making in the above post. Nice try.
Trying to follow some of Mikey's logic and some of the other daily subjects arround here is sometimes like hitting your head with a hammer.
It feels so good when you stop.
Savage blew mmfa away today. He had a spokesperson from an autism society on his show today and she agreed with his statement that many autism diag's are not actual cases. She also said the main cause of autism is the contanimants (mercury, aluminum) in vaccine. Are you aware that all the scientist that you all trust say "take the vaccine"? Apparantly not. Otherwise you would have a voice in preventing the medical people pushing proven dangerous chemicals being forced into our bodies. So, while Savage's belief that 99% are fake may not be true, (his belief may be), the actual number is caused by scientist that you fully trust. Good job liberals.
But, I would expect nothing less from a liberal.
Let me get this straight. The fact that there are misdiagnoses for autism justifies the commentary that children are "faking" it, and that the disease is a "fraud" in general? That bit of minuscule support is what constitutes some grand victory for this jackass in your mind?
And who figured out that vaccines were the problem? Scientists, maybe?
"And who figured out that vaccines were the problem? Scientists, maybe?"
Brilliant comeback! Just brilliant! Did the scientists know they were making poisonous vaccines, or made poisonous vaccines then discovered they put poison in the vaccine and claimed to discover the cure for the poison?
So, they made drugs that maim you, then they make drugs that heal (but not really heal, since there is no cure) the disease their original drug gave you. Plus you still have to take the original drug (the government forces you). Now there's a good money making venture. Almost as good as the evil oil companies. And you liberals are whining that someone says there are fakers of that illness? You must be so proud of yourselves.
No one hear has made any remarks denying an autism/vaccine link. In fact, a lot of us think that there is. The National Vaccine Information Center has posted many research articles supporting such a link.
This is not what the article in Media Matters is objecting to and you have to be really thick not to understand that.
Thanks for the spanking is more like it.
Mary
Props on all of the great posts from you in this particular thread. You seem to have the knack for putting a stake in the heart of idiotic postings.
(Bonus points for not losing your cool)
The point is that you're mocking liberals for "trusting" scientists, when you're citing a finding surely made by scientists. Therefore you're trusting them as well.
" Therefore you're trusting them as well. "
:o That means I'm mocking myself!?!
Gee, I wonder how much of that tainted vaccine was the result of relaxed approval requirements during the Bush administration?
But glad you're here to tell us what he really meant when he said "faking it".
I guess that all of those advertisers who have bolted will now join the rank of Homos...Fasci...Verm who populate the world just to take Savage down.
Look, all of you people who work for this radio chain can just readjust your salaries so the Mike can still make the big bucks. If not, you will also become Homfasverista.
Mike, you can now have all the free speech you desire. Do it for FREE. May I suggest the Philib Signboard Company. It is erasable so you change your "free speech" at will. Fits over all shoulders. Come oe Mike, it is the FREE Market at work. Nobody pays you, so what. Straigthen up, act like a man..walk away with your head still up your arse.
I was listening, and the expert stated that the mercury in vaccines were removed 8 years ago, and so the mercury, at a minimum, has been ruled out as a cause of autism, since the rate of new diagnoses continues to increase. Can we take Weiner's expert panel at face value? ... except for the example above, all seemed over-eager to agree with the doctor on every point.
Dr. Weiner explained that he had never considered homeopathic/natural cures for autism. He stumbled about a bit, got the impression he didn't consider autism to be a significant problem during the era he was writing his books.
BTW what did you think of how, at the end of the show, Dr. Weiner prayed to his brother, who might be in heaven, to intercede with God to curse MMFA stalinist-homoxxxuals forever with very grave and painful curses?
I thought it was not one of his better shows, he was just in CYA (not Yours, His) mode. The cursing part was pretty lively and vivid, maybe MMFA will post a clip...
"BTW what did you think of how, at the end of the show, Dr. Weiner prayed to his brother, who might be in heaven, to intercede with God to curse MMFA stalinist-homoxxxuals forever with very grave and painful curses?"
I caught that bit. I was distracted and was wondering did I hear what I thought I did. Glad you mentioned it.
"I was listening, and the expert stated that the mercury in vaccines were removed 8 years ago"
Snoopy will hate to hear that. He/she hates Bush with a passion and looks for anything (even makes stuff up) to provide more anti-Bush blather.
"BTW what did you think of how, at the end of the show, Dr. Weiner prayed to his brother, who might be in heaven, to intercede with God to curse MMFA stalinist-homoxxxuals forever with very grave and painful curses?"
I'm afraid I missed that part. It would have been funny to hear, though. He must be catholic. They're always praying to 'others' to get God to do something.
"I thought it was not one of his better shows, he was just in CYA (not Yours, His) mode. The cursing part was pretty lively and vivid, maybe MMFA will post a clip..."
I hope they can avoid taking his comments out of context (again). I actually liked this show more than others, because he seemed to talk more from the heart than his act. I liked when he talked about the interviews he did during the weekend. How all the interviewers had 'misinformation' about the event they were asking about. I wonder where the misinformation came from?? And to think this is a site to stop/prevent misinformation from being spread, yet is a key source of it.
Snoopy will hate to hear that. He/she hates Bush with a passion and looks for anything (even makes stuff up) to provide more anti-Bush blather.
I'd like to see you back that up, Phil. In fact, I dare you to find me making something up and presenting it as a serious presentation of Bush's failings.
Do you claim Bush "lied" to get us into the Iraq war?
YES: There's your proof
NO: I'll keep searching for the proof
Annes, it's my understanding that thimerosol is still in flu vaccine, which children are urged to get. Vaccines contain other toxic substances, including aluminum, as well as weakened live viruses in some cases, which circulate in the blood stream without the body's immune system able to get rid of them.
None of this discussion excuses Savage/weiner for his original stupid rant. His shtick backfired big time.
"Annes, it's my understanding that thimerosol is still in flu vaccine, which children are urged to get."
Mary? Aren't children 'required' to get it in order to attend public schools? Which, if true, is a little different than 'urged'.
I found this article which supports the 'required' part of vaccinations: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5632a3.htm
So, our government is requiring that kids receive vaccines (that can and does cause autism), leading to what some call an 'epidemic' of autism cases. But the complaint at mmfa is that someone thinks a lot of the marginal cases are fraudulent. I'm glad everyone, here, is worried and even taking an active role concerning the government's position in giving your kids autism. I'm glad you're not only worried about the fraudulent ones being found out. Good for you! You all are doing a wonderful job keeping the real cause of autism in check! Everyone get their kids immunized this year? Don't forget your flu shot.
I hope the same scientists that found a way to cause autism aren't the same ones who search for a cure! But, being 'mainstream' scientists, I'm sure everyone here will trust each and every one of them to protect your children.
Savage blew mmfa
No wonder you think it's a gay mafia...
IT'S NOT THE VACCINES. That's been failry reliably debunked in several studies. At best, vaccines my be be one of many possible triggers (or a scondary trigger) in a small amount of cases, but it is a grossexageration to say VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM. That's not supported by a shred of scientific evidence. I have mat several non-vaccinated autistics.
At best, too many vaccines are administered at once (blame the insurance comapnies for limiting the number of doctor visits they'll cover for that!) which in some people casae a fever, which in some cases causes siezures or other secondary effects, which in some people may cause autism. (That's a lot of "in some people's" to conclude a direct causal relationship. At best it's a minute part of the puzzle.
Vaccines are the greatest medical discovery in the history of mankind. They have saved more lived that any other discovery. Small Pox, Polio, Measles, etc... have been eradicted IN OUR LIFETIMES because of vaccines. The have been broadly administered for over half a century. The rise in autism has ostly happened int he last decade. The anti-vaccine people basicly have it wrong.
Researchers have moved on. It's time others did as well.
Savage blew mmfa away today. He had a spokesperson from an autism society on his show today and she agreed with his statement that many autism diag's are not actual cases.
Philb, STOP being an a**. What Savage said was :
On the July 16 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is "[a] fraud, a racket." Savage went on to say, "I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' " Savage concluded, "[I]f I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, 'Don't behave like a fool.' The worst thing he said -- 'Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry.' That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have."
I seriously, seriously doubt that ANYONE would agree with this statement!
Only caught bits of this evenings' show but he was hammering MMFA hard.
Aflac and Home Depot out as sponsers?
"Representatives from Autism United said they expected between 800 and 2,000 people to rally in front of Savage's San Francisco studio on Wednesday to demand an apology and his termination. They said major advertisers Home Depot and Aflac have pulled support and that several stations across the United States have agreed to stop broadcasting Savage's show (Why in the hell were Home Depot and Aflac sponsoring his shows to begin with and why are stations across America helping to spread his hate)."
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20080721180545661I hate to say this. His last sentence was almost dead on. MMFA does not care about America. They are here to prop up their Democrat Idealogy and to put a stop to free speaking radio and TV hosts.
Wait till November.
I hate to say this.
No you don't.
So, if the first sentence a commenter writes is a lie, when should one start believing said commenter?
I'm just not sure it's worth the trouble to distinguish, and I think I'll be ignoring this person from now on.
Too bad. A perfectly good keyboard and internet connection gone to waste, when there's poor kids in Indonesia who could actually be contributing to the conversation.
The right, not just the far right, is selfish.
The left, especially the far left, is anything but selfish.
They are here to prop up their Democrat Idealogy
I'm guessing you're a hit and run troll, but I would like to know what you think the "Democrat(is) Idealogy" is?
hadn’t been following it so was surprised to see he's seemingly lost 18 advertisers before the autism remarks.
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“Advertisers that have already stopped airing or refuse to air commercials on “Savage Nation” include Choice Hotels International, Sam’s Club, ITT Technical Institute, Chattem, Inc. (owners of Gold Bond, Icy Hot, and Selsun Blue), Union Bank of California, Intuit (parent company of TurboTax and QuickBooks), and GEICO Insurance, US Cellular, Sprint Nextel, Sears, Universal Orlando Resorts, AutoZone, Citrix, TrustedID, JCPenney, OfficeMax, Wal-Mart, and AT&T.”
(And Motel 6)
http://www.hatehurtsamerica.org/
Good research, Eddie!
I was listening yesterday as Savage furiously backpeddled, trying to say he didn't say what he said - as he usually does when he is held accountable.
His guests, the spokeswoman for the autism group and the physician did not exactly back him up on much. When the spokeswoman suggested that he may want to apologize to the families who were wounded by his insensitive comments he responded with a tirade that the wounded families needed to apologize to him first for misrepresenting him. Typical.
After almost every break he brought up the First Amendment, saying that it exists to protect controversial speech. Yet, he sues others who exercise their free speech when voicing opinions about him. The guy is a web of lies, misrepresentation, and twisted facts.
My prediction - after this firestom he got himself into, he will quickly turn to attacking a group that no one will defend - say a moslem group. He will wrap himself in the flag and rail against "islamofascists" b/c patriotism is in and the best way to display patriotism according to right wingers is to attack anything middle eastern or islamic.
Michael Savage is generalizing in my opinion that children with disruptive classroom behavior are now being labeled autistic (while referring to Kramer’s Asperger’s Syndrome maybe) so money can be dispersed for special needs revolving around discipline. Mr. Savage has made such a typical Asperger Syndrome comment by including all spectrums of Autism in the new wave of diagnosis. but the focus bears consideration even if put forth inappropriately.
Inability to learn Discipline is not a social dysfunction. It is an ability dysfunction, which only the mentally unreachable suffer from. Surely Mr.Savage did not mean to include these Autistic individuals in his diatribe. I believe he was referring to the seemingly normal children who appear to have no disability other than their parents..
The internet lists social dysfunction as the primary symptom of Asperger ‘s. Too many teachers and parents may believe “social dysfunction” is synonymous with discipline problems such as aggressive, lazy, careless, angry, sad, selfish, pouting, fighting, so on and disavow any relationship to spoiled or undisciplined as a cause. I believe a person with Asperger’s can be spoiled and undisciplined, angry, sad, selfish, pouting, aggressive, lazy, and careless. So can normal children. If Asperger’s is diagnosed it should not be used as an excuse for bad parenting skills. Discipline by any other name is still consequences for bad behavior regardless of the cause. Social dysfunction in the guise of Aspergers could be extreme shyness, speechless, TMI(too much info), inappropriate response in the sense that it was unrelated in any way to what was sought, misconstruing assignment instructions, inappropriate personal hygiene in class, eccentric, odd, and unable to interact age appropriate socially, sensitivity to loud sounds or flashing lights, or bright colors, selective food choices. These kinds of social oddities are primarily found in the very low IQ and in the very gifted or genius IQ whom Hans Asperger recognized. However, Kramer believes it is more prevalent in the normal IQ range than has previously been recognized. I think without the academic skills of a very high IQ, these students would somehow build a support base of other social outcasts who maintain normal intelligence, excellent vocabulary and reading skills but not enough gifted skills to self diagnose problems and fix them socially, and instead flock together for survival against social arrogance of the common average intelligence or those who play social games by learning the skill in public arena‘s such as schools ……and then become politicians(joke for Mr. Savage‘s comment).
Discipline has had infinite success through the decades of controlling behavior and so has military schools. Discipline makes communication clear. So once you get the discipline straight, do the other problems self correct? If they do Asperger’s was never the cause. What if there is no parent around up to the challenge and responsibility to instill self discipline? Then the true cause may never be diagnosed or corrected unless the school system steps in, and weeds the garden, by teaching discipline then diagnosing disorders.
Asperger’s is a misunderstanding in common communication channels or misreading subtle communication. Consequences are generally warped interpretations, sometimes misconstrued values due to misinterpretation. Everyone does this occasionally. With Asperger’s it is more common rather than the exception. However, depending on IQ, experience will expect same results on repeated performances. So with Hans Asperger Syndrome this saying holds true. “Fool me once shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me, because I would be a fool to play with you again.” However, I have noticed in my 60 years that a lot of people are not that smart and seem to lack good sense sometimes.. These people deserve a chance to learn about themselves and better their lives and the lives of those they are inflicted upon until death, divorce, etc.
So why not give the schools the money to teach discipline just like the military does, then diagnose those who have true mental disabilities instead of dismissing them from service.. It appears Mr. Savage Senior used a successful format with his son. Too bad everyone doesn’t have a father with good parenting skills. And shame on the truant parents who make the schools raise their children properly, if lack of parenting is the true disability. Maybe they should post a bumper sticker saying “I was diagnose a bad parent”. Mary Asperger
Of course he stands by his words, because MediaMatters took his words out of context to attack him for being a conservative. It's a disgusting low blow, but then again what can you expect from a fascist far-left group like MediaMatters. It's funny to see all these liberal saps swallow up every word from this fascist far-left website. Most liberals are liberal because they're ignorant, immature, and just dumb. "Liberalism" is just a nice word for it, meant to make all the ignorant masses feel that their ignorance is actually a political ideology. It's funny to see groups like MediaMatters exploit this fact to manipulate all the ignorant masses. It's very similar to the tactics used in the communist revolution in russia, but of course most people who come on this website don't even know what that was all about because they never picked up a history book in their life. Of course this isn't surprising considering how twisted and far-left media matters really is... It's sad to see how easy it really is for far left radicals like MediaMatters to influence so many people. It's a testiment to ignorance and naiveté.
I see people on here coming up with comments like *I don't understand Michael Savage, if he's for liberty and justice, why is he against the ACLU?*... Of course it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the ACLU has become a corrupt and twisted organization, bailing out criminals and murdurers under the guise of "civil liberties"... but this goes over the heads of most people on here, who are so naive they still believe otherwise. And these are the same people who think the UN is this great organization standing up for human rights, and maintains the peace around the world, even though it's one of the most corrupt organizations on earth. But again, most people on here don't even know such basic things, and the far left radicals running MediaMatters exploit this fact and shove their propaganda down people's throats to further their own fascist communist agenda. It's really amazing how many people are fooled so easily.
MediaMatters, I hope you burn in hell for your divisive influence and your twisted ideologies.
"Of course it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the ACLU has become a corrupt and twisted organization, bailing out criminals and murdurers under the guise of "civil liberties"... "
Did you think that when they stood up for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity in the past?
This should help you smile....
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080722/NEWS/807220363/1001/news
BOY4000( Very appropriate for this website),
Thank You for your inspirational story. I have now sworn off MMFA and will ask all who have ever visited here, voluntarily I may add, to stop reading/listening to any Conservative misinformation. It must be a terrible lot in life for you to have someone who disagrees with your DEFINITVE view of the world. Once again, thank you for showing us the light. Now, may I ask, where do I get information as to where I may purcahse my brown shirts and little insignias to wear. Also, please inform me when the orders come through as to which group we will persecute first.
Looking forward to goose-stepping with you.
A Reformed Homofascvermista
So by out of context, you mean, his exact words and the audio from his show? Wow, talk about ignorant. How is it an "attack" when they post his own words against him? Is Savage attacking himself?
Just for the record, the ACLU protects the Constitution. Not a particular group, or ideaology. What have they done that you think is so anti-American? I ask because you can't come up with an example. I guarantee it. I'm sure you'll say something about courts and 10 commandments, or something tying religion to government, which folks like you apparently forget, it against our laws set forth in, the Constitution.
Please cite specific examples of when MMFA took Savage out of context. Please cite examples of the ACLU being un-American. You can't do it. And that's the truth.
MediaMatters, I hope you burn in hell for your divisive influence and your twisted ideologies.
So you think that a website can burn in Hell? My goodness, your theology is as messed up as the rest of your thinking. And frankly, anyone who desires such a thing has no right to call anyone else "twisted."
Just for fun, people should check out The Blog Readability Test site (http://www.criticsrant.com/bb/reading_level.aspx), and punch in some URL's. Note that MediaMatters scores at the undergraduate college level. Newsbusters and michaelsavage.com score at the elementary school level. I think that explains quite a lot.
It's funny to see all these liberal saps swallow up every word from this fascist far-left website.
Fascism is a right-wing ideology, when business is in bed with government.
Other than that, everything else you posted was a crock of sh|t, also.
This incident has drawn out alot of lurkers and new posters.
Quanza Boy should get some kind of gold star for "marathon rant of the day", and there is some competition for this.
Dr. Weiner, is that you? Whoo-whoo -- radical-right-wing celebrity on board!!!
I started to get the picture when you slyly injected your anti-ACLU view: "I see people on here coming up with comments like *I don't understand Michael Savage, if he's for liberty and justice, why is he against the ACLU?*..."
No one posted anything like that here until you did! It's too far over the top! (Remember the winged esophagus!). But you totally outed yourself with that curse about hoping we "burn in hell".
Welcome!
It's really amazing how many people are fooled so easily.
You're a case study of someone being fooled by talking points. That's one of the all-time greatest loony rants of all time on this site.
But I was raised to be a skeptical scientist.
And today, Michael Weiner is just a hate-filled jerk.
Michael,
You are behaving like a fool. You are a fool. Don't behave like a fool. Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl.
Signed
Dad
To Me,
"Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot."
Signed,
Me, Mike Savage
P.S. Mike, as an aside, you reap what you sow. Don't know who said that.
"P.S. Mike, as an aside, you reap what you sow. Don't know who said that."
Must have been a farmer.
But, if your little statements work, then you prove Savage correct (that 99% of the time all a child needs is a forceful father-figure). If they don't work, then you prove Savage correct again (that misdiagnosis's are prevalant). I don't think that was your intention, was it? Liberals must hate when they prove Savage right, by trying to cut him down.
"Apparently, he hasn't heeded his own father's advice."
Maybe he hasn't grown up yet? He admitted on monday's show that he exhibited autistic traits while growing up. Then went on to remind his listeners that he is a "genious". I believe I am correct in stating that many "genious's" would be classified as autistic. Which means Savage is autistic. Now, does he get your sympathy or callousness?
"I am correct..." that is where your arguement loses stream. I feel nothing for Savage. Only know him as a radio persona therefore I can only say that he is wrong about his comments. This is about what he said about the kids, not about him. And where does being a genius make one smarter than anyone else??? We're playing numbers games. Mikey wasn't a genius when he made these sleazy comments.
P.S. Mikey did not heed his fathers' advice just the other day. I believe he can no longer be considered a child.
Wow, if we're going to play the 'out-of-context' game (formerly known as the mmfa game) let me play with this statement of yours: "I feel nothing". Which should really be checked out. Make sure you find a qualified doctor. You would hate to be mis-diagnosed. Have you had this years vaccine, yet? You might be autistic, too. Better have your family Dr. check for that one too. I'm sure he has all the qualifications needed to diag a simple thing like autism.
Then went on to remind his listeners that he is a "genious". I believe I am correct in stating that many "genious's" would be classified as autistic.
Since there is no such thing as a "genious," I will fully agree with you that Weiner is one.
There is such a thing as an illiterate half-wit, however, and I posit that you are one.
Maybe he hasn't grown up yet?
Autism isn't something that people outgrow. Please educate yourself on the topic.
He admitted on monday's [sic] show that he exhibited autistic traits while growing up. Then went on to remind his listeners that he is a "genious". [sic]
And so modest, as well.
I believe I am correct in stating that many "genious's" [sic] would be classified as autistic. Which means Savage is autistic.
Wrong, on two counts. First, Savage being a genius is just a claim (and a self-claim at that), not an established fact. Second, "many" doesn't mean "all." Not all geniuses (is it really that hard for you to spell?) show autistic tendencies.
Now, does he get your sympathy or callousness?
Even if he is autistic himself (not established), and has outgrown it (not possible), and is a genius (self-claimed), this still doesn't give him the expertise to comment on these matters, and make sweeping claims about how the symptoms are fake and that the parents are at fault. And when he is correctly taken to task for it, he doesn't have the right to shift the goalposts and claim to be really attacking the pharmaceutical industry.
Is there a psychologist in the house--for Savage and his apologists? They need help, big time.
Wrong, on two counts. First, Savage being a genius is just a claim...., not an established fact. Second, "many" doesn't mean "all." Not all geniuses... show autistic tendencies."
Which is why I didn't say ALL. But, being the brilliant scholar that you are, you were well aware of that, huh?
Did I spell everything ok? Mmfa realy needs a spell checker. It would eliminate a lot of useless banter when you've got no other complaint.
Which is why I didn't say ALL. But, being the brilliant scholar that you are, you were well aware of that, huh?
What I'm well aware of is that you used a logical fallacy (many = all) to conclude that Savage is/was autistic. I'd thank you for the compliment, but considering its source, I don't think it has any value.
Did I spell everything ok? Mmfa realy [sic] needs a spell checker. It would eliminate a lot of useless banter when you've got no other complaint.
Hey, if you're not literate, or terribly bright, you just have to expose yourself that way. And if there was "no other complaint," then what was the rest of your message about? We all just felt the breeze from your swing-and-miss on that issue.
"(many = all)"
Many does NOT equal all; "there are many smart people in politics", "there are many terrorists in Iraq", "many liberals are whiners".
Tell me, in which statement does many equal all? Ok, you got me.
and he should stand by his words!!!
I feel Michael savage was "dead on" with his comments! The Doctors/Government are controlling our children. I 100% agree with the fact that some parents should be able to control there own children. I also feel the Doctors and some parents are "watering down" real autism.I love how some people claim the right to say whatever they want and defend their stupidity by saying they themselves are personally affected by what they're critiquing. "... nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling, in my case, my brother, who was born brain-damaged." Is that a defense, or just more narcissism? Nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling? Savage makes it sound as if he's a bigger victim than his brother for having to live with him!
Hey, I grew up with a mentally handicapped sister, but I don't believe that's somehow imbued me with special powers to understand her condition as a professional would, or act like that's given me free reign to say whatever I want regardless of how offensive my ill-informed comments might be.
nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling
Abel disagrees with you.
Everytime the Thing opens his yap about MM and how it is a 'homo' and 'fascist' group, I smile. It makes me feel good that the Thing is ruffled by this site and its lib posters. BTW, what is it with the 'homo' label for MM anyway? From where is THAT coming?
Keep up the good work, MM. :)
The main benefit of being a member of the homo mafia is that you will suddenly gain the ability to dress yourself without assistance from your wife/girlfriend.
(Long term exposure may cause you to stop wearing black dress socks with shorts or brown belts with black pants)
what is it with the 'homo' label for MM anyway? From where is THAT coming?
David Brock is gay. Michael Weiner is closeted. Therefore Weiner's obsession with all things homosexual.
Especially, since they're his own words. He might as well, sue himself.
And he lost the CAIR lawsuit, it got tossed. Something about being frivilous and a waste of the court's time and all.
"Especially, since they're his own words. He might as well, sue himself."
If they were taken out of context to smear him, he may have a defamation case, as was his premise with Savage v. CAIR.
"And he lost the CAIR lawsuit, it got tossed. Something about being frivilous and a waste of the court's time and all."
Never heard about that. But then why does he still have the "donate" buttons and links peppered all over his site if the case is dismissed and no longer an active lawsuit? It mentions nothing about paying off legal debt - it still blares "PROTECT FREE SPEECH"
He would have to show how the context changes his meaning in some significant way. It would be especially difficult since MMfA posted another article listing Savage's response, because that undercuts any "smear" argument.
Wasn't that his entire premise after MMFA called him out for his attack on parents of autistic children, where he claims to be taken out of context because what he meant was that the pharm-med industry was trying to push drugs into people for profit? (BTW, whatever happened to "meaning what you say and saying what you mean"?) IIRC he started to give this impression that MMFA is doing to him the same thing CAIR is doing (and as we know, there was a lawsuit between Savage and CAIR) and as such, I started to wonder if Michael Savage was going to take legal action against MMFA as well.
Now, I will say that his original statement was 75% different than his clarifying one, as -as I stated earlier- I thought autism was in fact a phony illness fixed with a "pay attention" and some willpower, and his Ph.D in a biological science related field gave him some credibility when talking about medical issues (along with his medical books "Healing Children Naturally" and "Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer's").
What gets me is that he still hasn't gotten into how one treats autism (If he wrote a book on treating such cases, how come he hasn't provided an excerpt for all of us to see? [If he has, I apologize and will stand corrected])
Liberalism is such a mental disorder that we can use entire whole words with abbreviating them. Such as you, instead of "u" as you used in your post. I don't like to attack someone's spelling and or use of words, but when you come on here trying to act all smart and smarmy, and you use text messaging lingo, it doesn't really add much to your credibility factor now does it?
How is liberalism a mental disorder again? Please cite specific scientific evidence that states it as such. Savage is about 5011 times crazier than any liberal I've ever known.
Oh, brilliant. He came back a day later to cover his @ss and prop up phony proof of what he was trying to say the day before and that's being taken out of context? It's as bad as O'Reilly coming back two weeks later with an excuse of why Fox distorted those pictures of Journalists. Sorry charlie, but 24 hours later is too late. He should have planned his show a little better if he "meant" to say something else. He's just gotten intellectually lazy living off the fat of the land and figures he can come in and say whatever he wants with no preperation.
Hope he stocks up on preperation H though, he's gonna need it...
Savage WON'T actually replay his comments on air because they are vile and offensive. He will just blowviate about how he was "taken out of context"
I listened to Savage on Monday July 21. I would like to know if he has yet to actually replay his comments that were "taken out of context". I did n't hear it.
If any of you call the radio show and manage to actually talk to Savage, ask him to just replay his comments to clear up this misunderstanding.
"misquote me, take me out of context"
Full verbatim quote = "out of context"?
What a liar. He can't even defend his own position.
Weiner must continue with his theory of yelling to correct any flaw. Doctors need voice training to learn how to shout more effectively at their patients. Nurses could use megaphones to get the message across to all those slackers laying in hospital beds.
Why should adults be exempted from this wonderful training? I see a new book on Weiner's horizon: "Bully therapy: Breakthrough treatment to Shout down Every Ailment."
It is just unreal he would call autism a fraud and a racket...i wish he would have spent a day in my classroom...then he'd have some insight as to how these children act, react...what a nasty, nasty commentary. Michael please read all about Autism at TRCB.com so you know what are the main causes for autism.
What is Autism
And nobody has personally suffered more from a sibling, in my case, my brother, who was born brain-damaged.
I feel sorry for anyone who's related to the world-class loser, Michael Weiner. I believe that it is HIS brain that is the most damaged - by hate.
Savage must know that his words will get him in trouble. The following can be found on the left-hand side of his web site.
PROTECT FREEDOM OF SPEECH!SUPPORT THE MICHAEL SAVAGE LEGAL DEFENSE FUNDMake Checks Payable to:
Four Embarcadero Ctr, 39th floor
San Francisco, CA 94111
Tax Deductible Eith that, or he's got a little scam working here........
From the feedback from the emails I've sent/received and the press coverage Mikey is getting this may spell doom for him. I hope that he continues to fight for his beliefs. And somewhere down the line, the national shows pickup his EXACT text for all to hear. These dunderheads that support him are just plain lost. They just cannot believe in themselves. So what, Mikey was evil..why do you apologists think you must defend him. WHY???
Seannie and Rush are salivating to get rid of Mikey even though the listeners are probably cross-overs. (as opposed to cross-dressers here a MMFA). On that subject, I am would respect the staff and posters at MMFA only because they bring something original and different to the discussion. The Con sites are all BLAH BLAH BLAH, we are right, BLAH BLAH BLAH, dirty liberals,BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Here's something I found on Google about the Michael Weiner Autisn Controversy on a site called "The Conservative Voice". Notice they're not coming to Weiner's defense here - they're simply stating the facts:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/33377.html
What a jerk.....amazing how many of them still walk around and are in our school systems.