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Quinn and Tennent repeated discredited claims that Obama has not released valid birth certificate

October 07, 2008 10:31 am ET

On The War Room, Jim Quinn and Rose Tennent hosted Philip J. Berg to discuss Berg's lawsuit, which baselessly alleges that Sen. Barack Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen; during the interview, Quinn, Tennent, and Berg each repeated the discredited charge that Obama has not produced an authentic U.S. birth certificate. However, in addition to posting a copy of Obama's birth certificate on the campaign website, the Obama campaign reportedly provided the original document to FactCheck.org, whose staff reported that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship."

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On the October 3 broadcast of The War Room, Jim Quinn and Rose Tennent hosted Philip J. Berg to discuss his lawsuit, which baselessly alleges that Sen. Barack Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. During the interview, Quinn, Tennent, and Berg each repeated the discredited charge that Obama has not released an authentic birth certificate establishing that he was born in the United States, and therefore could be ineligible to run for president.

Quinn introduced the segment by asserting that Berg "wants a copy of Obama's citizenship papers and also his birth certificate -- which is a question that's been floating out there." Later, after Berg claimed that Obama has "not produced that birth certificate," Tennent asked Berg: "[C]an't we, as citizens of this country -- people who are voting for the next president of the United States of America -- can we not expect to have an original or a copy of the original birth certificate of someone who is running for that position?" After the interview ended, Quinn stated, "It looks like [Obama] may not be an American citizen, and it looks like nobody cares."

In fact, in addition to posting a copy of Obama's birth certificate on the campaign website, the Obama campaign reportedly provided the original document to FactCheck.org, whose staff reported in an August 21 article that they "have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate" and wrote that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." Even the right-wing website WorldNetDaily reported in an August 23 article that a "WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic," as Media Matters for America has documented.

During the interview, Berg also asserted that "evidence" indicates that "Barack Obama, even though he states he was born in Hawaii ... was born in Kenya," and added: "It appears right now he might be an illegal alien, not only not be qualified to be president, but not even qualified to be a United States senator from Illinois." Tennent responded: "Now you said there was also -- I think once you had talked about inconsistencies in terms of the accounts of his birth. There were reports that he was born at two separate hospitals -- one in Honolulu, one in Kenya. I actually did not know that this was a serious accusation, quite frankly. Not on your behalf -- but when I heard this, I would read something on the Internet, or on blogs, and I wasn't really sure that this was serious. So, seriously, you have concerns about there being inconsistent reports of where he was born."

Talkers Magazine lists Quinn & Rose on its "Heavy Hundred" list, which it describes as a list of the "100 most important radio talk show hosts in America." According to the show's website, it airs on 18 radio stations and XM Satellite Radio. Sen. John McCain was a guest on the August 28 edition of the program.

From the October 3 edition of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose:

QUINN: All right, yesterday, with no lack of enthusiasm, I managed to present to you what appeared to be, for all intents and purposes, a judgment from the court of the Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on a lawsuit that we told you about a long time ago. Haven't really -- and I said yesterday, I don't put a lot of confidence in this stuff, because this is the kind stuff that we hope would turn out but generally doesn't. But any -- it would appear from this judgment by the -- from this court that the DNC and Barack Hussein Obama had lost -- not an appeal but a motion -- to dismiss the complaint from a Philip J. Berg, Esq., who wants a copy of Obama's citizenship papers and also his birth certificate -- which is a question that's been floating out there. And this was posted along with the actual lawsuit, all 34 pages of it, on a Web page -- I believe it was Juris.org or something. Anyway, it turns out now that this may not, as a matter of fact, I don't think it is true. Phillip Berg is on the phone with us this morning, and let's go to the phone and welcome him to the show. Phillip, good morning.

BERG: Good morning.

QUINN: Welcome to the show.

BERG: Thank you very much. The lawsuit is pending. The order that was circulating yesterday was wrong. We have not received an order yet. We're waiting patiently. There's presently an order to a motion to dismiss, which was followed by a joint motion -- which is interesting -- by Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee, to dismiss the case. You normally get 14 days to respond. We were advised by the judge's chambers that they wanted a response in five days. We complied and filed this past Monday, so we're waiting for a response on the motion.

To back up for your listeners, I sued Barack Obama because he does not meet the qualifications to be president under our U.S. Constitution, and there's nothing more important than enforcing our Constitution, and the people watching the debate last night, they were talking all the time about the Constitution. Well, the Constitution says you must be a natural-born citizen. And it's our evidence that Barack Obama, even though he states he was born in Hawaii, is that he was born in Kenya. But even if he was born in Hawaii, he lost his citizenship thereafter when his mother divorced then remarried a Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia. Indonesia at that time was at war. In his book, Barack Obama says, "My stepfather went back to Indonesia before I did, and when I went there, I immediately went to school."

To be in school in Indonesia, you had to have been either adopted by his stepfather, or he had to be acknowledged by his stepfather. And if he was, he became a citizen of Indonesia, and then after that he would have had to go through immigration to come back into our country, which it appears he did not. It appears right now he might be an illegal alien, not only not be qualified to be president, but not even qualified to be a United States senator from Illinois.

TENNENT: Now you said there was also -- I think once you had talked about inconsistencies in terms of the accounts of his birth. There were reports that he was born at two separate hospitals -- one in Honolulu, one in Kenya. I actually did not know that this was a serious accusation, quite frankly. Not on your behalf -- but when I heard this, I would read something on the Internet, or on blogs, and I wasn't really sure that this was serious. So, seriously, you have concerns about there being inconsistent reports of where he was born.

BERG: Absolutely. Actually, there's three different hospitals. His paternal grandmother -- his father's mother -- who's still living in Kenya, is going around telling everyone, "I can't wait to have my son -- I mean my grandson -- who I witnessed being born here in a hospital in Kenya, become president of the United States." In an interview two years ago, Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya, M-A-Y-A, stated he was born at one hospital in Honolulu, and at the same time Barack Obama said, "No, I was born at another hospital in Honolulu." The problem is, when you lie, you have stories all over the place. When you tell the truth, you're very consistent. And this has been on the Internet for a good year.

And what's very important to know is June of 2008 -- several months ago - the Barack Obama campaign put up on their campaign website a certification of live birth -- not a birth certificate - a certification of live birth indicating that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Our experts have determined that that document has been altered -- it's a forgery. And recently, I think, they even took it off of their website, since my lawsuit's pending. The thing is, if I was Barack Obama, and this was false, about five weeks ago, when I filed the suit on August 21, Barack Obama or a spokesperson should of came out and said -- they didn't have to acknowledge me -- should have said, "Some lawyer filed a lawsuit -- he's got 24 hours to take down this lawsuit, or we're gonna sue him for millions of dollars for defamation. And, by the way, here's our birth - here's Barack Obama's birth certificate. They have not produced that birth certificate, and I believe they cannot produce it. So, we're waiting patiently now --

ROSE: And they haven't sued you, either.

[...]

QUINN: Now, you're a Hillary supporter, and you're a Democrat. So that just so everybody knows, this is not some right-wing wacko like me.

BERG: Yeah, just for everyone, I was a committee person 31 years, chairman of the Democratic Party of Montgomery County, member Democratic state committee for eight years, and I ran on the Democratic ticket for governor and U.S. Senate. And, you know, I just - and also, some people come back and say I'm a racist. I happen to be Jewish, but I happen to also be a paid-up life member of the NAACP.

TENNENT: Well, they always do that.

QUINN: Yeah, well, don't even listen to that stuff.

TENNENT: Mr. Berg, though, can you really expect - I mean, can't we, as citizens of this country -- people who are voting for the next president of the United States of America -- can we not expect to have an original or a copy of the original birth certificate of someone who is running for that position?

BERG: Absolutely. And I think that should be -- the law should be amended to make sure. Well, first off, the candidate says he duly qualified. Therefore, you know, I think Barack Obama is in danger here of -- on many, many criminal charges. But I think it's mandatory that we find this out before the election on all candidates in the future. But, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to run for president but he says --

TENNENT: He can't.

BERG: -- but he says, "Amend the Constitution." Barack Obama says, "Well, I'm running anyhow, I don't care about the law." Well if you don't care about our Constitution, I'm concerned what you would be cared about. Our website, if I can mention it, is Obamacrimes.com. And believe it or not, now, in five -- less than, well, today would be five weeks -- we have 19 -- over 19 million hits on our website.

[...]

TENNENT: But what can we expect? What do you expect from the courts right now? What are you - what, realistically, are you expecting?

BERG: Well, realistically, I'm hoping that the court says, "Phil Berg has standing, and therefore Barack Obama must produce these documents." Because, if not, we're heading towards a constitutional crisis. Let's say he gets elected, then we find out - the case moves along - then we find out, and he takes office, and he'll say, "Too bad, I'm not getting out." You'd have to impeach him. Well, you'd never impeach him with a Democratic Congress, and this country would be in turmoil. I mean, I think it's incumbent upon the national media - any of your callers who knows anyone; the national media's probably listening to your show right now -- to ask him the question, "Produce your birth certificate."

TENNENT: They won't do it. It's not gonna happen

QUINN: Phillip, hold on. I've got more questions about this. We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back, OK?

BERG: Sure.

QUINN: All right, Phillip Berg. We'll be right back. Quinn and Rose - America's morning show.

[...]

QUINN: I know I sound like one of these people that call the Bush presidency the "Bush regime," but I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, "This is the Students for a Democratic Society, this is the Weathermen. They've been here all along. And they finally found their conveyor belt, and they brought him to the fore." And it looks like he may not be an American citizen, and it looks like nobody cares -- which is even more exciting.

TENNENT: More amazing. You know -- and that really just goes to the mainstream media. I mean, talking to Phillip Berg even off the air, he is just so furious with media right now - completely furious -- and he has every right to be, and so do we as citizens.

QUINN: They've done nothing.

TENNENT: They have done nothing. And even if Sarah Palin were suspect -- if this was a possibility in her background, they would have been all over it.

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    • Author by JLyons (October 07, 2008 10:46 am ET)
         
      I am so glad I do not listen to some of these hatemongers.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 07, 2008 10:55 am ET)
           
        I'm glad I do listen to some of them. I enjoy hearing the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped. Driving into work this am, I heard Mike Gallagher (recently plugged into Laura Ingraham's old spot) commenting on that Florida sheriff who introduced Mrs. Loopner with a mention of Barack Hussein Obama.Gallagher hasn't come up with anything better than the "waaah!we're not allowed to say Hussein!" His food for thought on the matter; If a candidate has to run away from his name, why didn't he have it legally changed? Are the GOP mouthpieces all playing dumb, or is there really that much dumbness floating around?
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        • Author by neon desert (October 07, 2008 11:27 am ET)
             

          You can continue to deny all you want, but until I see a valid birth certificate, I refuse to acknowledge that Obama was born.

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        • Author by sambo (October 07, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
             

          I'm afraid there is that much dumbness floating around Col. but they are going down true to their past, LIE TIL THE PEOPLE BELIEVE IT

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    • Author by wzwriter (October 07, 2008 10:53 am ET)
         
      Maybe we should demand to see the birth certificates for Jim Quinn and Rose Tennent. They seem to be shining examples of what happens when cousins marry.......
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    • Author by pete592 (October 07, 2008 11:22 am ET)
         

      In the aftermath of an ugly primary race, Obama's really starting to have the last laugh.  I thought that if Barack Obama had made it this far, they would have come up with something new, but the right-wing professional liars have obviously blown their wad prematurely.   They've got nothing left in the tank for the home stretch.  Karl Rove is going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat and soon. 

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      • Author by sambo (October 07, 2008 1:14 pm ET)
           

        KARL ROVE is going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat'and soo

        Do you mean like a major securiy catastrophy?

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        • Author by pete592 (October 07, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
             

          I wouldn't rule out a major security breakthrough, like the killing or capture of Osama Bin Laden.

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    • Author by mdoweb3341 (October 07, 2008 11:26 am ET)
         

      I find the comments to this post so far interesting: one calls people like Berg hatemongers, another calls them dumb, another laments cousins marrying and the fourth calls them liars.  No addressing the substance of the accusations, wondering if it might be true, wondering why Obama just doesn't produce the documents requested instead of fighting this in court, etc.  I wouldn't normally give credence to these kinds of rumors, but why the namecalling instead of addressing the issue?  Or maybe they can't address the issue?

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 07, 2008 3:48 pm ET)
           

        No addressing the substance of the accusations, wondering if it might be true, wondering why Obama just doesn't produce the documents requested instead of fighting this in court, etc.  I wouldn't normally give credence to these kinds of rumors, but why the namecalling instead of addressing the issue?  Or maybe they can't address the issue?

        The real issue? WHAT real issue?

        If you honestly think that the Republican party would allow Obama to get this far if there were ANY chance of him not being a US citizen, you're smoking crack. Since Republicans preferred Hillary as an opponent, they would have used the so called "citizen issue" to get Obama knocked out of the primary and Hillary nominated.

        The REAL issue is how pathetic and assinine the Republican party and their supporters are to think their standard dirty tricks will work while people lose their homes, jobs and retirement saving.  THAT is the REAL issue.

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (October 07, 2008 5:06 pm ET)
           

        This smear has been up maybe less than a dozen times. The birth certificate itself has appeared here. So pardon us if we don't take the 'Is Barrack Obama really an American", meme too seriously.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 07, 2008 11:44 am ET)
         

      Hatred...that's all it is. If some nut ever took a pot shot at Barack Obama it is the hate mongers that litter our airwaves that can take credit for it. Sometimes I'm ashamed of Americans...

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/obama-hatred-on-display-a_n_132572.html

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      • Author by MickD (October 07, 2008 11:56 am ET)
           

        And the Repubs and their mouthpieces are propagating this behavior in people. There are many layers of perception in this country, so if the Repubs plant enough seeds, these are the weeds that will grow. It's frightening, because desperate people get more desperate once they feel outnumbered (see abortion clinic bombers).

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    • Author by shaggles (October 07, 2008 11:48 am ET)
         

      What a bunch of idiots.  A Certification of Live Birth isn't a birth certificate?  I couldn't be bothered reading through all this blather but I do remember a couple of months back these geniuses claiming that the birth certificate wasn't real because it looked like a form that someone just filled in.  HA!  If that's the case I guess no one in the entire country has a valid birth certificate.  Idiots.

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    • Author by unclereggie998257 (October 07, 2008 12:05 pm ET)
         

      So let me get this straight, the way to prove that you meet the constitutional requirements to be president is to post a document on the web and provide it to a website.  Is that right? 

      But when a lawsuit is filed questioning the validity of those facsimiles, instead of producing the documents to the court Obama and the DNC hire lawyers to file a motion to dismiss claiming lack of standing to sue.  Why expend money and time to fight the suit to an uncertain outcome when producing the proof accomplishes the same thing immediately?

      Someone appears to have something to hide.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (October 08, 2008 8:43 am ET)
           

        Berg's lawsuit isn't simply challenging the authenticity of Obama's birth records.  It challenges his eligibility on several other bogus and contrived bases.  Further displays of his proof of birth wouldn't affect those.  Demonstrating that Berg lacks standing to sue is a faster and easier way of making a sideshow nuisance go away.

        All documentation to date supports Obama's eligibility for the Presidency.  There is no evidence that contradicts that evidence.  Obama's not hiding anything because there is nothing to hide.

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    • Author by gadawg_bigdawg4467 (October 07, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
         
      For all to those who seem to not care and boast about being of such great and outstanding knowledge..... The U.S Constitution is however what our forefathers fought and died for. And that all - with candidates running for the highest seat of this country as of this era - should protect and abide by also. My comments on either one of those who are candidates for the up coming election is that neither one is worth giving my vote for. But - I will look as to which I think will be the lesser of the two evils. In ending... Obama should release the necessary documents on his true birth or be denied candidacy to run for the Presidency.
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      • Author by doggone-ga (October 07, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
           

        "Obama should release the necessary documents on his true birth or be denied candidacy to run for the Presidency"

        You can rest easy...he already has.

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (October 07, 2008 1:47 pm ET)
         

      Ya-da-da, ya-da-da, ya-da-da.  Let's keep throwing it to see if it sticks.  I didn't find out until a few years ago that I was born in Zwolle, Louisiana.  To this day I have NO idea why my mother was in Zwolle, Louisiana.  We never talked about it and I never really looked at my birth certificate closely until I had to get a replacement copy.  The form even says "father unknown"! I guess if I were running for public office my opponent could say I was a bastard.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (October 07, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
           

        I guess if I were running for public office my opponent could say I was a bastard. -  donaldmaddog5642

        You don't have to wait until then, we'll be happy to say it about you.

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    • Author by SFnomad (October 07, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
         
      If you repeat a lie often enough, you're a Republican.
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    • Author by YMMOT (October 07, 2008 2:40 pm ET)
         

      Oh well, at least by recycling older smears  the Republicans can lay claim to the fact that they are 'green'.

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    • Author by BillJ-MN (October 07, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
         
      Gallup Daily Tracking poll now has Obama's lead at 9%, tied for his highest of the campaign. Prepare for the nastiness to be turned up another notch. It can't get much higher without crossing over into blatant violence.
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    • Author by princeofwheels (October 07, 2008 5:13 pm ET)
         
      These two knuckleheads are sooo stupid that they really believe their BS. How sad is that that there is a lower life form that believes them. And Radio Rose puts herself out as a loving Christian...but if things aren't going her way, she becomes a simple everyday hate monger to appease her trailer-back listeners. If she is so against Obama and his morals, why is she with Bozo Quinn, the Sexual Harrasser? Answer that one Holy Roser.
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    • Author by Lorelei (October 08, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
         

      You should read some of the christian websites....they all believe that he does not have a valid certificate....check our www.rr-bb.com ----a large one.   See what they are saying.  Its funny most of it, if it wasn't so scary.

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