Savage on Powell endorsement: "The only people who don't seem to vote based on race are whites of European origin"
On his radio show, Michael Savage said, "Do you think Colin Powell came out for BO [Sen. Barack Obama] because of his race? Duh." He later added: "[F]orgive me for being so blunt -- but it seems to Michael Savage that the only people who don't seem to vote based on race are white people of European origin."
During the October 20 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said, "Do you think Colin Powell came out for BO [Sen. Barack Obama] because of his race? Duh." He later added: "[F]orgive me for being so blunt -- but it seems to Michael Savage that the only people who don't seem to vote based on race are white people of European origin."
Savage later said: "Why are white people of European origin the only people who don't seem to vote based on race? Is it because they're more tolerant? Is it because whites of European origin are more accepting and more tolerant of other races? I wonder if they're gonna be that way once they find out that not all -- let's say, not all people love them as much as they may think."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation , behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the October 20 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: What do you think of Colin Powell coming out, like shock of all shocks, for -- what's his name? -- for BO. Do you think Colin Powell came out for BO because of his race? Duh. You know, I thought about this. It was embarrassing for me to watch Colin Powell lie about Obama, and I thought this -- and forgive me for being so blunt -- but it seems to Michael Savage that the only people who don't seem to vote based on race are white people of European origin. That's an interesting observation.
The only people who don't seem to vote based on race are whites of European origin. Well, why is that? If everyone else votes along racial lines, as they obviously do -- and proudly by the way.
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SAVAGE: So my biggest statement is about Powell, which is that the only people who don't seem to vote based on race are white people of European origin. And, you know, that becomes a philosophical question worth talking about. Why are white people of European origin the only people who don't seem to vote based on race? Is it because they're more tolerant? Is it because whites of European origin are more accepting and more tolerant of other races? I wonder if they're gonna be that way once they find out that not all -- let's say, not all people love them as much as they may think.
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uncle mike, he's so smart! how did he get to be so smart?
Using Michael Weiner's "logic", he must only vote for paranoid, racist morons of Jewish descent. That really narrows down HIS choices.......
"he's a lumberjack and he's ok..."
Does his website take comments? That is where this belongs. Here you're just preaching to the choir.
I'm not sure. I'm a little afraid to find out. You're totally right, though. I just needed to vent and I KNOW there are Savage Nation listeners monitoring this site. This guy's more and more nhinged every day. Sad thing is, it sounds more like mental illness unhinged, than old man unhinged.
No, the Whiny Hiney Weiner has built an impenetrable wall around himself. He cannot be contacted directly through his site and he only takes calls from his "regulars". Anyone who does get by the gatekeeper, Beowulf, and offers Weiner a challenge is quickly blasted out of the air lock and sent back to Planet Earth once Weiner sniffs them out. He is lying whenever he offhandedly mentions, “some of my listeners have emailed me to ask…” Nobody asks him anything. Your only chance to pose a question would be to bump into him as he leaves one of his greasy-spoon joints, usually Chinese or Indian. Oh, I’ve tried to communicate with Weiner but, alas, to no avail. I’ve NEVER called his spew-fest, The Michael Sewage “Show”, and I don’t understand those who do call. By now, wouldn’t they know once they introduce their topic Weiner will only use it as a springboard to launch into some other crazed rant. One night, just as his intro music was fading out I heard him say to his engineer: “Are we ready? Have you got all the yokels lined up?” He was referring to his callers. Nice.
His description of people who don't vote based on race is in itself racist. What a slimeball.
I want to give a big shout out to Talk Radio Network for biggie sizing my scope and intelligence about how good all the white folk are! I used to be down on them, but after listening to Dr. Weiner for a while, I have come to realize that all minorities are tearing at the very tenuous fabric that holds this nation together! God, where would we be without Talk Radio and their brilliant hosts?!
The right-wing professional liars simply cannot give their ginned-up masses a reasoned opinion on the Powell endorsement. They are intellectually incapable. Appealing the ugliest of human emotions, in this case prejudice, is all they know how to do.
Powell could have come out months ago when the race narrowed to two people, but he sat and watched this campaign and has now rendered a very well deliberated and reasonable judgement based on what he has seen, and that drives the liars crazy.
'Support the troops' my @$$. The right-wing professional liars will throw them overboard the moment they start to think critically about anything the right wing has sown.
Well said, except for the "intellectually incapable" part. They may have smarts, but it's their reckless allegiances as to how they perceive their core listeners who keep their ratings intact and their paychecks coming. It's intentional, and it's not about reasoned opinions or rational discourse, but rather dishonest fear mongering, smearing, sliming, lying, and the inflammatory drawing of battle lines.
Of course Powell's endorsement is not racially motivated, anymore than any prominent white public figures is for McCain. And Powell's very eloquent reasoning behind his support for Obama is way to hard for thugs like Savage, or Limbaugh, to get their arms around. So they seek out a non-existant reason to discredit, or minimize it. It's hardly unexpected, it just ain't working.
Good point, let's call it "occupationally incapable."
Perfect
That's mighty white of you to say that Dr. Weiner.
You should have gone all the way and said that white European's have never brought anything but good into this world.
Wow he's really losin it. They're all imploding. Thank God.
He's wrong. Every race consists of a subgroup that will vote based on race. With that said I have heard the similar argument that caucasians who don't vote for Barack Obama are not doing so because they are racist. I'm sure this is true in some cases but it's not true of all caucasians. I won't be voting for Obama but it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with his political positions.
Oh, you mean, 'cause he advocates for "socialism" like this:
You're right. Certain services can not be trusted to the private sector. That's different than taking away people's freedoms as always happens in socialist/communist countries.
You shouldn't conflate communism with socialism. Many European countries consider themselves socialistic democracies, quite a different thing than a dictatorship. As countries become larger and more complex, what services should be socialized changes.
Always? Maybe you should talk to people in England, or France, or Scandanavia. They all have some degree of what Troglodytes refer to as "socialism". Ask an Englishman if he considers himself free, and I think he would say yes, even though they have a considerable amount of that evil "socialism".... and they have a QUEEN!
On the other hand, you could argue that the mere act of organizing a society "takes away people's freedoms", could you not? I am not free to drive without a license... if I shoot my neighbor's dog and eat it I might get in trouble... I can't build a bonfire on the Capitol Steps.....
Let's be honest.... any form of government "takes away freedoms". Pretending that Socialism is somehow less free than whatever you perceive our society to be is just a Republican rhetorical bromide.
On the other hand, you could argue that the mere act of organizing a society "takes away people's freedoms", could you not? I am not free to drive without a license... if I shoot my neighbor's dog and eat it I might get in trouble... I can't build a bonfire on the Capitol Steps... Let's be honest, any form of government "takes away freedoms". ---Nerzog
You've gone to the root of some of the boilerplate GOP sophistry. "Freedom is good therefore anything which restricts freedom is bad."
He's wrong. Every race consists of a subgroup that will vote based on race.
Dear MMfA,
I'm not sure what your photo of Saddam Hussein has to do with the Savage Weiner item, but could you at least use a more flattering one if you really must smear him that way?
This one at least makes him look a little more sane. I think the one you used is going just a bit too far.
Disgusted,
NeonDesert
Dear Disgusted,
Your attempt to smear Savage by claiming the Media Matters pic of him is really Sadam Hussein is an outrage. i'll admit the MM pic isn't all that flattering, so I'll post a more recent pic of Weiner at work:
As a white male of European descent, I am insulted.
As a white male of European descent, I want to find another continent that we can calim Savage's ancestors came from. He's an insult to humanity.
"...the only people who don't seem to vote based on race are white people of European origin."
Uhhhh...you mean like all those white people who refuse to vote for Barack Obama because he's black? Those white people don't vote based on race?
Message to Savage: Fair-minded, sane people, black or white, do not select whom to vote for simply on the basis of race. They pick who is the best candidate in their minds. Barack Obama is considered the best candidate by many people, Democrats, Republicans and Independents...black and white.
Exactly, the explanation of people like Savage and Limbaugh doesn't match up with the reality of other conservative voices supporting Obama. Why is Ken Adelman endorsing Obama? Why are the Chicago Tribune and the Denver Post endorsing him? Obama's the better candidate, in their opinion, for whatever reason. There's no justification to essentially call Powell a liar who is incapable of making an objective decision.
So, the KKK and the neo nazi's only vote their values? Here's a clue Mikey, these following examples are all white european descent "christians":
Now on PBS: Religious Voter: I can't imagine a President being named Obama
And here's another one:
More Hate Voicemails directed at ACORN.
By John Amato Sunday Oct 19, 2008 7:01pm
And then we have this one:
Speaking of hateful idiots, do you have a link to the Palin quote about eskimos you referenced on the NYT/AP thread?
It's hilarious that someone has a problem with Obama's mother being an atheist. As if that means he couldn't be an actual Christian or something. That's right up there at the top of the stupidity chart with the idea that someone's name dictates their religion. You don't choose your name or your parents, you choose your own faith or lack thereof.
Let me hunt around for it, but in the meantime here's another version from her own mouth.
http://www.nativeamericannetroots.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=152
Hmmm, and another fine example of white european descent "christians" who are completely colorblind:
Snoop, I think that's gang colors.
No racism here boys. Move along now...
The racism comes bubbling up from McCain's dogwhistle campaign
By David Neiwert Tuesday Oct 21, 2008 4:00pm
The video from that Sarah Palin rally in Ohio last week probably said it all -- that not only are racists herding in John McCain's direction, but that previously obscured racism among mainstream conservatives is now bubbling up at an increasing rate.
A New York Observer report from Florida tells a similar kind of story:
I half-expected to hear the same thing from "Joe the Plumber" last week when it was pointed out to him that he would actually get a tax cut under Obama's plan.
It's clear that the campaign to defeat Barack Obama -- which is what the McCain campaign has rapidly devolved into, ever since it became self-evident that McCain himself couldn't give us a single good reason to vote for him, beyond his moose-in-the-headlights running mate -- is in fact creating an environment in which these kinds of sentiments not only are encouraged, but are now considered normal.
Sure enough, the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are reporting that they're making big inroads these days:
This reminds me of Richard Clarke when he came out with revelations critical of the Bush Administration. And now it's worse.
Also, did we not forget that one lady at the McCain rally?
Wanna bet these culprits are white european descent "christians" too?
Bear found dumped at WCU with Obama signs
Dale Neal • DNeal@CITIZEN-TIMES.com • published October 20, 2008 4:46 pm
CULLOWHEE – A dead bear was found dumped this morning on the Western Carolina University campus, draped with a pair of Obama campaign signs, university police said.
Do we know where Palintwit was last night.....?
Assuming "Obama" was spelled correctly, I think we can rule her out as a suspect.
Should have read the post more carefully, they weren't handmade signs.
I would be enjoying the racist freak-out a little more if it wasn't so dangerous. I wonder what Colbert will say about it.
Right near me is where this happened. Good times, very good times...
This Powell endorsement has to be chapping the Troglodytes' butts. Here's a guy who fell on his sword and damaged his own reputation to sell Dick Cheney's phony intelligence to the U.N., and to this day he will not condemn the NeoClowns who put him in that position. On Meet the Press, he still refused to admit that the Iraq War was a huge mistake, or that the intelligence was cooked. This Republican, former military man, loyal to a fault.... still endorsed the Democratic candidate, and gave a list of good reasons why.
It's eating them alive, and they will send their Flying Monkeys out to tear him down.
Speaking of wars, glad to see right wing republicans were successful in bringing right wing democracy to Afghanistan. Can you imagine how it would be if they got their way here?
October 21, 2008Afghan Journalism Student Sentenced to 20 Years
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSFiled at 12:23 p.m. ET
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- An Afghan appeals court overturned a death sentence Tuesday for a journalism student accused of blasphemy for asking questions in class about women's rights under Islam. But the judges still sentenced him to 20 years in prison.
The case against 24-year-old Parwez Kambakhsh, whose brother has angered Afghan warlords with his own writings, has come to symbolize Afghanistan's slide toward an ultraconservative view on religious and individual freedoms.
This is quite interesting, an interactive "hate" map showing all the active hate groups in the US.
Active U.S. Hate Groups
Strange how, in looking at the map for california, they dont' mention a single Aztlan group, even though they are extremely prevelent in state and a product of the extremist cultures that have been around from UCLA since the 60's.
Nice to see you, m'am. I'm sure that you know all the extremist "cultures" and could whip up a better map quicker'n foaming a latte. We'll look forward to it, and y'all come back, hear?
Huh, that is strange, especially since they actually did. Did you actually read the list, or are you just making partisan quips?
For reference, Voz de Aztlan is an Aztlan group.
Think your wrong there. The difference is the size of of the voting block of white poeple of european origin. They put people in office. Given a numbers dominance, any so called race can be convinced to vote against their own self interest, and put a liar into office.
I may be overstating it but I don't think I'm wrong. Blacks vote Dem 80-90% of the time. With Whites it's close to 50/50. Actually if you take White women out it it's probably about 80% Republican. Since Republican policies tend to benefit only the richest 5% or so of the people it's pretty clear that it's the White men who are voting against their own interests. I know that's another pretty big generalization and overstatement but I think it's not far off the mark. Republicans have tried over the years to woo the Black vote but it's never worked because they haven't backed it up with policies that benefited low to middle income people which most African Americans are. Which most Americans, regardless of color, are. Why so many White men who aren't CEOs vote Republican is beyond me.
Point to you.
Still given a chance I think nonwhite voters can be fooled as easily as us bohunks.
Oh I completely agree about that.
If there was ever a reason to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine", this is IT! The Mike Savages, Sean Hannitys, and Rush Limbaughs can make any statement that want without any repercussions! You cannot just say something because you feel it is true! A radio show is pumped out to the public and there should be equal blow back when people like this say such far out things. General Powell is only supporting Barack because of "Race"...Simply because they are both black! (Wow)
How can he just say this when General Powell said that he would not vote for Barack because he is black or support McCain because of friendship..yet, Savage and Rush Limbaugh say he does....How do they know? Are the readers of minds or what?
Well, why are African Americans not supporting Alan Keyes or Cynthia McKinney???
Savage, GET A CLUE!
maybe because allen keyes won't give the poor people on welfare more money for just sitting around and abusing the system...note I mention no race...so that isn't a direct link...but close enough...and don't hammer me for this statement because I'll qualify right here right now...not all people on welfare are abusing the system.....but hundreds of thousands are....and to allow these people who can't support themselves...I feel they should lose the right to vote in this country until they can legitimately support themselves and pay taxes....and why do I say that? because a person on welfare will go vote for whoever will allow him/her to stay in that condition by giving them "unconditional" dollars....Kind of like you're guys' best friend B.O.
Now I'm sure there are tons of reasons why the African American won't vote for Allen Keyes....above all it is probably because of his politics or the fact that he is a Staunch Conservative...maybe
"[F]orgive me for being so blunt -- but it seems to Michael Savage that the only people who don't seem to vote based on race are white people of European origin."
He's framing the election improperly. First, Obama is a representative of a White dominated party.
Secondly, there is a different dynamic when a minority is running whose group has a relatively small percentage of the population versus one which has a relatively high percentage, but is still in the minority. Blacks have around 12% countrywide but if they had say 25 or 33 percent, Whites as a whole might very well be much more racially conscious, everything else being the same. As it is, Blacks are not viewed as potentially threatening to many Whites due to their relatively small presence relative to Whites.
I'm suspicious.
I am a regular Savage Nation listener-monitor and he has been unusually well behaved lately. Come on, for those of you who know him, this comment is mild by Michael Wiener standards. Obnoxious yes, but he is routinely much worse. And despite making MMFA headlines regularly in recent weeks, he has been unusually mild mannered.
Why is he not being his usual self (worse)??
BTW, I saw Savage made the list of "dirty dozen" at FAIR.org for is constant dehumanization of muslims. http://www.smearcasting.com/
I'm sure he is a proud daddy of the hate he has helped to birth in this country. The authors say that Savage is one of the "gutter" level smearcasters, while people like Hannity and O'Reilly are "more sophisticated." That has to drive him crazy. He is so jealous of Hannity (and Rush) - that he is perceived beneath Hannity, lol.
Always glad to see a report from the front. Cause that's what I think hate radio is. It DWARFS the newer propaganda outlets in it's effect on on the electorate and it gets short shrift here at MMFA relative to it's importance.
Savage has a problem I presume most of the right wing pundits don't share to the same degree. As a former academic, in a relatively hard science dicipline, he must have ingrained in him a tendency to look for the verifiable truth. In addition he used to be a liberal, as I understand it. Where other propagandists either ignore or can't comprehend anything outside of their ideology, I imagine Savage probably knows better. In the face of the looming GOP fostered economic disaster, perhaps he has some guilt over the damage he has helped enable the GOP to inflict on us all. Perhaps he's shrewd enough to fear that his children and grandchildren will suffer socially for their relation to him if a great depression occurs.
I think MMFA took some of the juice out of him. He seems to have been successfully chastened. I think they all have been to one degree or another, but with Savage it's obvious as he flamboyantly tried to take them on but has now stopped his attacks as far as I've heard.
I'm sure you've heard his renewed pledge to start a third party after the election. I have my doubts as to his sincerity, but he has spotted a need. Perhaps it would only be a prophylactic against a real third party whose effect he might like to dilute. If he doesn't follow through, he marks himself as only a pretender and will dilute the goodwill he with his audience.
I agree with your assessment of Troglodyte Talk Radio. I have often argued with conservatives about its relative importance. Many of them still cling to that old myth of "Liberal Media Bias" that the Republicans invented to discredit the News Media. If you pin them down, the only real examples they can give are the three Networks, MSNBC, and some Newspapers.
Even if we concede this, talk radio has a huge advantage over these mediums. Unlike newspapers or television, talk radio can be consumed while driving and working. Essentially, Bubba can listen to Hate Radio on his way to work, while he's at work, and on his drive home. Compare this to the few minutes Bubba would spend watching Network news or reading a newspaper (assuming Bubba reads). This is why Conservatives invested so much money into cornering the Talk Radio market.
I'm convinced that Troglodyte Radio cost Al Gore his home state of Tennessee, and therefore the Presidency in 2000. Talk Radio in Tennessee was, and is, 99% conservative. They hammered Al Gore unmercifully in the months leading up to the election, repeating every GOP lie and inventing some of their own. It was a virtual Hate Fest then, and it hasn't gotten any better.
...or reading a newspaper (assuming Bubba reads). This is why Conservatives invested so much money into cornering the Talk Radio market. ---Nerzog
Yes, more likely can read but doesn't. I wish I could remember who, but somebody here said Fox should be a great place to advertise as they would be easy to persuade as evidenced by their viewership of Fox.
I GET SO SICK AND TIRED OF SOME WHITES WHO LIKE TO SAY BLACKS ONLY VOTE FOR BLACKS. IF THAT IS THE CASE HOW DO MOSTLY WHITE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WITHOUT THE BLACK VOTE ON A DEMOCRATE SIDE GET ELECTED . I DON'T BELIEVE THESE POLLS THAT SHOW OBAMA UP BY 6 OR 9, THIS IS GOING TO BE A CLOSE RACE BECAUSE OF RACE AND I STILL THANK MCCAIN WILL WIN BECAUSE OF SOME RACIST INDEPENDENT AND DEMOCRATES. SO ALL YOU REPORTERS WHO LOOK LIKE YOU JUST LOST A LOVE ONE YOUR BOY MCCAIN WILL PULL IT OUT AND THE REPUBLICANS WON'T HAVE TOO STEAL IT AGAIN LIKE IN 2000.
Eddy and Nerzog-
As far as the third party goes, Savage has found a way he thinks he can save face after his distasterous lawsuit against CAIR and the fact that he has a lot of contributers' money left over in his coffers. He vowed he would take the fight against CAIR to the Supreme Court, and of course, he isn't. BUT - he's got this pile of money that all the Bubba's out there gave him for the court case. So he has said, more or less in passing (no fanfare) that he is going to use the money to start a third political party.
I agree, he is thinking about how to end his career so that his descendents aren't saddled with the legacy of being related to a man who is considered "gutter level" by media analysts. (He has even mentioned that he is concerned about the effect on his descendents of the San Francisco's resolution condeming him and threatened to sue them about that too.) And I also agree with you that he is going to have to make it turn out well, or he will go down in history as the gutter level hate mongerer who, in the end, flopped on all of his attempts to get his agenda launched. ie - in the dustbin of history, where he belongs.
Finally - that donor money is a weak spot where someone with legal talent can go after him for fraud or some such charge. He said, time and again, he was going to use the money in a lawsuit against CAIR, and he has dropped his lawsuit. So where's the money Bubba Chief??
He has even mentioned that he is concerned about the effect on his descendents of the San Francisco's resolution condeming him and threatened to sue them about that too.--- MB
I missed that. Well give the devil his due. He's at least smart enough to be aware of the downsides inherent in job and has at least enough class to be concerned about his descendants' reputations.
After he dropped the lawsuit he said he would use those funds for two things: 1. to help US Military men who are being railroading(according to him) in court cases across this country..to help in their defense funds...which he has stated he has already given money to a couple different individuals. 2. To continue the fight for free speech as those cases come up or directy against him.
..........he also gave money to the Widow of Husband and two boys murdered on the streets of San Fran-psycho in her lawsuit against the City.....you asked where the money was...these are just a few expamples
Right. That must explain why black politicians have been such a mainstay in the founding of our nation. You know, because white voters routinely elect black politicians, especially in the South. Why half of Congress is black, haven't you seen a recent photo?