Discussing death of Obama's grandmother, Savage continued to promote discredited birth-certificate rumors
While discussing the death of Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother, Michael Savage again revived widely debunked "rumors" about Obama's "birth certificate not being valid."
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During the November 3 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage again revived discredited "rumors" about Sen. Barack Obama's "birth certificate not being valid" -- this time while discussing the recent death of Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham. Savage stated: "And, oh yes, our condolences to his grandmother who raised him, who he so bravely visited last week -- shockingly, out of nowhere, in the, in the last days of a campaign -- while the rumors of his birth certificate not being valid were circulating throughout the Internet. Shockingly, Obama goes to Hawaii, and again, not one of the empty skirts in the media asks him about his birth -- his birth certificate, the Kenyan relatives. Not one of the empty skirts in the media raises the question. And today she dies, poor lady dies, poor lady dies today; the woman who raised him -- the white grandmother who raised him."
As Media Matters for America documented, on October 22, Savage joined other conservative commentators in suggesting that the true purpose of Obama's October 25 trip to Hawaii was not to visit his ailing grandmother, as Obama stated, but rather to address charges -- widely debunked -- that Obama has failed to produce a valid U.S. birth certificate. As Media Matters noted, well before Savage invoked the discredited birth certificate rumors, the Obama campaign posted a copy of Obama's birth certificate on its Fight the Smears website and reportedly provided the original document to FactCheck.org, whose staff concluded in an August 21 post that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." Even the right-wing website WorldNetDaily reported in an August 23 article that a "WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic."
A Hawaii Health Department official also reportedly confirmed to PolitiFact.com in June that Obama's birth certificate is valid. However, following numerous references to the birth certificate rumors by conservative media figures such as Obama Nation author Jerome Corsi -- who said he was traveling to Hawaii to do some "digging" on the issue and requested a copy of Obama's original birth certificate -- the Hawaii Department of Health released the following statement on October 31 by Health Department director Chiyome Fukino:
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the November 3 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: And, oh yes, our condolences to his grandmother who raised him, who he so bravely visited last week -- shockingly, out of nowhere, in the, in the last days of a campaign -- while the rumors of his birth certificate not being valid were circulating throughout the Internet. Shockingly, Obama goes to Hawaii, and again, not one of the empty skirts in the media asks him about his birth -- his birth certificate, the Kenyan relatives. Not one of the empty skirts in the media raises the question. And today she dies, poor lady dies, poor lady dies today; the woman who raised him -- the white grandmother who raised him.
Voted last week in Texas - AGAINST Savage and his ilk!
(And you can cheer up, Kyle. My wife just called me - things look very good for the entire Democratic slate in Colorado. Which is great, since I sufferred through 11 years of living in the Pueblo area (Democratic) while working in Colorado Springs (Ultra-RepubliKKKan).
If Obama wins, this may be the horse the Troglodytes will ride for the next four years. With Clinton, they claimed he wasn't legit because he got less than 50% of the vote. Obama, if the polls are correct, will easily clear 50%, so they'll need something else to whine about.
I predict that the birth certificate "controversy" will be it. These dimwits will be filing endless lawsuits with every court in the country to get the election overturned. They'll write books and articles wailing about the "death of our Constitution" because we've elected a Marxist Terrorist A-rab who isn't even an Amurrican citizen.
Idiots.
These dimwits will be filing endless lawsuits
But don't Republicans HATE trial lawyers?
Only when they represent those lazy disabled people suing large benevolent corporations.
Only when they don't need them for anything.
Despite his rhetoric about being against personal injury lawsuits, Tom DeLay and his family have taken part in their fair share of the very type of lawsuits they declare should be restricted.
The DeLay family lawsuit, brought against the manufacturer and distributor of a mechanical part that the family blamed for the death of Rep. Tom DeLay's father, Charles DeLay, sought at least $15.3 million in actual and punitive damages in a Texas product liability lawsuit filed in 1990. Charles DeLay died after an accident, in which a trolley that he and his brother, Jerry, built, malfunctioned.
The family sued under a theory that a coupler manufactured and distributed by Midcap Bearing Corporation and Lovejoy, Inc. was defective and caused the trolley to lose control. This is exactly the legal theory that DeLay has sought to prohibit communities from using to clean up drinking water contaminated with the gasoline additive MTBE, manufactured by major oil and chemical companies in his district.
The family alleged that the companies were subject to the most stringent of personal injury standards, joint and several strict liability under state product liability law. The family demanded payment for pain and suffering, past and future mental anguish, and grief and sorrow, in the amount of $5.1 million. They requested the highest amount recoverable under Texas consumer protection laws, claiming that they were entitled to three times their actual damages due to the Defendants' breach of implied warranty. [Link to article no longer works]
This will be the horse that they ride to try and discredit an Obama win. They'll file stupid lawsuits, try to get Obama to submit to a deposition, catch him lying about something not even related to whatever it is they're talking about, and BAM! We have another Clinton escapade, and we're off to the races.
I predict though, that Obama, if/when he wins, to silence everyone about this birth certificate BS, will allow someone (don't know who) to see it, verify it (again), and then that, as they say, will be that.
How can people listen to this man without having to bathe?
Hard telling isn't it?
I've always imagined the average Savageweiner listener bathing at least 6 times a day.
And checking the locks 5 or 6 times before leaving the house. Wearing gloves to push shopping carts. Bringing their own silverware to restaurants...
Here we go again. Bring on the trolls.
Why doesn't Obama produce his birth certificate? If he has one, why can't he just show it? What is the upside of not showing it? That's the part I have trouble with. Does anyone know what the upside of not producing the the certificate could be? If he would just produce it, it would shut up the "idiots" who are complaining.
No, the part you have problem with is accepting the fact that he did show his birth certificate. Here are the facts again, troll:
Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu. The certificate provided has a raised seal,
and is certified by the state registrar.
And there's even an announcement in the local paper:
I'd try to formulate a response to that, but since I don't speak moron, I'll just provide this link:
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
If you do more research, you'll find that that is a forgery based on the graphical style of the certificates issued at the time.
The judge in the case could have thrown it out on the basis that the certificate you cite is authentic; he didn't. He threw out the case on the issue of standing. That doesn't support the idea that this certificate is authentic.
If there was another issue at stake besides the place of birth, then the lawsuit wouldn't get thrown out because of the certificate. The issue of standing applies to all aspects of the case.
You are absolutely right. My point is that throwing it out on the issue of standing doesn't put the controversy to rest. I'd like to see the certificate produced and the controversy gone.
And we'd like to see you accept that this phony smear failed miserably, just like all the others. Move on, troll.
He hasn't produced an authentic birth certificate. You should be mad at him, not me.
...and where is McCain's birth certificate? And I don't mean a photocopy or re-print of it. I want to see the actual paper that was handed to John McCain II when his son was born 72 years ago, in 1936.
I hope you have a copy. Otherwise, I have to believe he was born in Panama and was educated by the Junta in a terrorist training camp.
Thank you, Kyle. My exact words. How do we know John Sydney McCain III was actually born on US soil occupied in Panama? He could have been born in Panama, therefore not a US citizen In fact, how do I know YOU are a US citizen? Where is YOUR OFFICIAL birth certificate?
See, you can play this game forever. Most of us don't have an official birth record at our disposal because it's taken for fact that we were born here. But if you're Barack Obama, it's a shadow across your presidency because a hundred people cannot swear under oath that they saw you crawl out of his mother's womb while on Hawaiian soil.
The GOP has been reduced to a sad looking wino who talks to the brick wall and waits for it to answer back.
Randy
Look above. Pictures already posted.
I don't really see how this is a controversy anyway. If there was something to this, Bush doesn't seem like the type of person to let it go. The place is listed on his birth certificate, which is strange if he was born out of the country. These documents are based on something. It's not like the mother says "oh, just fill in Honolulu county" and they do it. The whole thing just doesn't hold water.
Brab, you're right. The republican party and others are sure to have looked into this non-issue. If it had even a miniscule of credibility, bush, the repubs, and even some dems, would've been all over it . ... It's crap . . . like chasing after big foot
If you do more research, you'll find that that is a forgery based on the graphical style of the certificates issued at the time.
The judge in the case could have thrown it out on the basis that the certificate you cite is authentic; he didn't. He threw out the case on the issue of standing. That doesn't support the idea that this certificate is authentic.
And if YOU would remove your head from your a$$, you'll find that you have no idea what you're talking about - you've OD's on right-wing Kool-Aid.
Your childish reply doesn't address my comments. Engaging in ad hominem attacks doesn't get anywhere.
DFens-
Where is McCain's birth certificate? How do we know he wasn't born in France, or China?
If he was born in China, how do we know he's not a Manchurian candidate?
Why can't he just present his actual, original birth certificate showing he was born in Panama, to dispel the rumors?
Ignoring facts doesn't get you anywhere. It's an authentic birth certificate and you're simply ignoring it.
If you do more research, you'll find that that is a forgery based on the graphical style of the certificates issued at the time.
The judge in the case could have thrown it out on the basis that the certificate you cite is authentic; he didn't. He threw out the case on the issue of standing. That doesn't support the idea that this certificate is authentic.
How do you explain the birth announcement in the paper?
I think the judge threw the case out because it was without merit - just like your useless "facts".
You are wrong. The judge through it out based on the plaintiff not having standing to bring the suit. And that's why the issue is still around.
DFens -
Where is McCain's birth certificate? Aren't you outraged he hasn't been able to provide one?
"And that's why the issue is still around."
No, the issue is still around because the usual gang of Troglodytes are determined to fabricate a controversy. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. This is the same pack of jackals who, to this day, insist that Hillary murdered Vince Foster.
You are wrong. The judge through it out based on the plaintiff not having standing to bring the suit. And that's why the issue is still around.
I'm no lawyer, but I believe that if a plaintiff has no standing to bring a suit, all a judge CAN do is throw the case out. And you STILL don't know what the hell you're talking about.
If you would do ANY research then you would know that it is not a forgery.
So, D, will you and your fellow nutbags ever accept anything other than the original, dog-eared birth certificate? Can you produce yours?
Of course, we all know that this has nothing to do with finding the truth, don't we?
I had to produce mine when I joined the Air Force. I still have it. Then I passed a background check for a security clearance.
Obama can't produce a birth certificate to put this story to rest and, if somehow he got in the military, he wouldn't pass a background check to get a security clearance. But he's probably going to be President. I find that ironic and hilarious... only in America.
I don't take this stuff as seriously as others. The results of elections do not determine my happiness. We survived Bush, we'll survive Obama.
Sure you did. I didn't have to produce one when I joined the Marines, and I also had a security clearance when I worked at E-Systems. They didn't requjire one either. I did have to produce my SS card though.
When I got my security clearance, I had to provide a certified copy of my birth certificate. I didn't have one, so I wrote to an office in Trenton (the state where I was born), paid a few bucks, and got one. It's only a COPY of the original, but it doesn't change the fact that i was born in New Jersey.
Quit while you're behind, DFensFoster - you have nothing. To put it in terms you might understand a bit better, we're all at a cock fight and you brought a duck.
Your comments do not change the facts. The certificate Obama relies on has controversy surrounding it. He can easily put this to rest by contacting the Hawaii authorities and showing the real one to the world. Why doesn't he? He hasn't explained it and no one on this blog has. Calling me names doesn't end the controversy. If he doesn't put it to rest, it will haunt him in the future.
If he doesn't put it to rest, it will haunt him in the future.
Somehow I doubt he'll lose sleep over it :)
manufactured controversy. I've posted the pics taken by factcheck.org of the original provided by Obama to them.
But see, they don't really want proof. Their goal is to keep the controversy alive, no matter what. Whatever document Obama provides, they will just dismiss it as a forgery. In my mind, the burden of proof is on them, not Obama.
These are not credible people.
Which is why I turned it around on the DFensTroll and asked for McCain's birth certificate. The troll has been gone for almost an hour...
"The certificate Obama relies on has controversy surrounding it"
Gee, I wonder how that happened?
How many people could produce their ORIGINAL birth certificate? I don't have one. When I lost my SS card, I had to get a Birth Certificate from the State. They printed it out and stamped it while I waited , and the SS office accepted it.
Get over it.
Birth certificate, Security clearance?
The only qualification I needed in 1969 was the ability to inhale and exhale.
This is why Bill Clinton was unable to serve in the military... he never inhaled. :o)
I call for trolls and they come, just like manna from heaven. Thank you.
He offers condolences to the dead grandmother???
Good catch. An indicator of how much sincerity is behind the Savage Weiner's empty condolences. He makes a mockery of what it means to offer them, and doesn't have a clue as to who they are normally offered to.
He offers condolences to the dead "white" grandmother. Very telling, he is way too transparent.
the grandma was white...can't he state facts?
It called race baiting.
He was offering condolences for the dead grandmother
Dead people can't receive condolences.
I found that rather curious too.
How long before the Troglodytes start floating the theory that she's not really dead, or that Obama had her murdered on election eve to cover up his "real" reason for visiting Hawaii or to get the sympathy vote? The theory will go that he paid William Ayers to carry out the hit.
Nothing would surprise me from these morons.
I'm more of the mindset that these trolls will claim Obama went to Hawaii to kill her to prevent her from revealing the "truth". It will probably be along the lines of he put a pillow over her head and smothered her to death.
I'm more of the mindset that these trolls will claim Obama went to Hawaii to kill her to prevent her from revealing the "truth". It will probably be along the lines of he put a pillow over her head and smothered her to death.
And under her pillow, they found billing records from the Rose Law Firm, and an autographed picture of Vincent Foster.....
Well, sure. I mean, she probably helped Sen. Clinton kill Vince Foster AND helped Sen. Obama forge his birth certificate (presumably before young Barack helped Bill Ayres bomb the Pentagon at age 8), so the poor woman HAD to be silenced.
Jesus save us.
Read it and weep, reichpublikkkans...
Paul Krugman: G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.
By John Amato Tuesday Nov 04, 2008 11:00amPaul Krugman gets it right.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
And here's a few scumbag Obama supporters.
And here's so many links to racist reichpublikkkans that it will take you all day to watch...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=racist+republicans&search_type=&aq=0&oq=racist+repu
I don't really care whether the folks I posted are racist or not. What bothers me is voter intimidation, particularly the fact that the one scrawny piece of trash is standing around with a club. . .. WTF are those guys doin there if not to intimidate voters . .. Apparently they're democrats, and they're thugs. It happens
That little clip failed to show an example of voter intimidation. I didn't see a single voter get turned away. I saw a weenie republican operative try to make a mountain out of a molehill and failed miserably in the process.
You gotta be freakin kiddin me? WTF do you think they're standing outside the front door for, the one with the club, and the other like some douchebag militant? That kind of sh!t is not uncommon here. I've been involved in local philly politics all my adult life, and bullsh!t, not so subtle attempts at driving voters away is not uncommon at all. You talk tough on the internet, but I wonder how comfortable you'd be if you were a mccain supporter walking by that a$$hole with the club. If they want to vocalize they're support, why not just stand by with Obama pins on and signs, and whatnot, like everyone else does
I agree this one incident is not a big deal in the long run, but it bothers me in that it's not too far from me . ..
It's understandable to be concerned about dirty tactics, especially when they're close to home.
For example, I live in Colorado. In my state, the Secretary of State illegally purged as many as 20,000 voters from the rolls within 90 days of the election.
Just for clarification, this is a Republican official acting illegally to disenfranchise voters, not some citizen who is taking matters into his own hands.
I think they're standing outside to ensure a bunch of racist rightwingers don't try to deter legal voters from voting, that's what. But that's just another opinion, kinda like yours is too. And in case you weren't paying attention, I had an experience last week in texas where a bunch of @sshat mccain supporters actually stopped me and demanded to see my voter registration card. So don't give me that voter supression BS, I've lived it.
Number one, you're a fool if you think a bunch of racist rightwingers will show up in that neighborhood. They'd last two seconds, and it would be good riddance to them. And if last week you bemoaned your experience in texas where a "bunch of @sshat mccain supporters" stopped you and demanded your voter registration card, then you're a hypocrite for now denying that what those two @sshat Obama supporters are doing in the video
I meant you're now a hypocrite for now denying that what those two @sshats are doing in the video is wrong . ..
When you can actually provide a video showing those two turning people away from their legal right to vote you'll have a point. Until then you're just assuming their intentions. And in your post you just implied that neighborhood is a predominantly minority neighborhood. How many white McCain supporters live there, let alone will actually turn around and get back in their car and drive off? Pure BS.
Again, the only guy bothering me is the one with the club. About the other fella, in his halloween costume, I could care less. Now why would someone stand outside the entrance to a voting place, on election day, with a club? He's not there to play baseball. I don't know whether or how many people were intimidated by this prick, but even one would be too many. the point is, it's not just hill-billy republicans who pull this crap
I read more on the story at Maulkin's site. The police did remove the guy with the club, so I'd say it's a done deal. And yes, I will agree that we will likey see a few shenanigans from the left. I'm just pointing out the video did not show these guys aggressively taking action against voters unlike the group I encountered down here in Pflugerville, TX. Their leader is quoted on Maulkin's site as saying he intended to ensure black voters would not be supressed or intimidated.
And when you can provide a video of you being accosted by rabid McCain supporrters then you'll have a point...
You've lived it huh? Did you report this to the local elections board? I doubt it. I can reasonably assume it didn't even happen. What a tool.
What a troll.
Assume away, it was reported. Police were dispatched to the scene. But if it makes you feel good, you can surely deny it ever happened. Republicans seem to be quite good at denial...
"Philly politics"...as in Frank "VOTE WHITE!" Rizzo?
As you know, Rizzo was a democrat as well, and I personally know a number of blacks in philly who look back on Rizzo with admirable views, particularly in regards to keeping the streets safe . ..
Fox News' Rick Leventhal reported live from the polling place where Black Panthers were allegedly intimidating voters Tuesday afternoon.
A University of Pennsylvania student reported that a Black Panther wielding a "night stick" intimidated voters at a polling place in Philadelphia (video below). The Black Panther allegedly claimed he was "tired of white supremacy." An Obama volunteer on the scene disputed this account, saying there was no intimidation of voters occurring at the polling place.
When Leventhal went to investigate, he got into a confrontation with a Black Panther — a certified poll watcher — who denied the story and told Leventhal in no uncertain terms that he was not welcome at the polling place. Leventhal disputed his claims, citing election law which allows him to be within 10 feet of the entrance.
Leventhal could not confirm that the Black Panthers were on the scene intimidating voters, saying, "There's been no disturbances that I'm aware of, except what we've encountered here. But again, I want to make very clear, we don't know that any voters were denied entrance to this polling facility. We don't know that anyone was intimidated to the point that they decided not to vote here, but that was what some people were concerned might be happening with two Black Panthers, one of them holding a nightstick, out front."
Not that it matters now, but the scumbag was standing in front of the door with a freakin club. Why? It's not hard to figure out. This city is entirely dominated by the democratic party machine. The guy's full of crap if he claims to have been there to stop voter suppression by white republicans . . . I'm glad the cops removed him, as he had no business standing there like a thug
Snoops---a true republican isn't a racist....a racist is a person full of hate...whether black or white...a racist who you might categorize a Democrat...i would say is not a Democrat...but a person full of hate.....now some of these people vote along certain party lines...but to me that doesn't matter so much as the fact that their hate blinds them from all truth...whether you or think who holds it
I agree with you there. I'm only saying republican because the right wing has clearly taken control of the party. Real conservatives wouldn't act like that.
"Snoops---a true republican isn't a racist"
But they sure love to accept their votes.
Become? BECOME? They've been intolerant for years now.
"Well, let me put it this way... When people slip in what dogs have left in the street, they do tend to say 'Whoops, I've trod on a Savage.'" (Baldrick, from Blackadder II, Ep - 'Money')
('Edmund' was replaced with 'Savage' in the original quote, of course, but I think it works, no?)
"Well, let me put it this way... When people slip in what dogs have left in the street, they do tend to say 'Whoops, I've trod on a Savage.'"
A few years ago, someone was selling little yellow flags with Dubya's picture on them for marking poop piles on the sidewalk. Maybe we could do the same thing with Savage's ugly puss....
Apparently you don't take stock in facts. I've posted all the evidence above. Facts seem to escape you like a fart in the wind.
what facts snoopy?....your digitized files that your bud B.O. posted...the "look - raised letters" fact......did you ever see a report where B.O. presented his Actual paperwork and people in media (not K.Olberman) actually went on air and told the American people they saw it...."look here it is"....okay if that happen I'd believe it....I'm not saying he's not a citizen...but where is the proof....all he has to do is hold a press conference or meet with CNN and have them all show us the legitimate paper on air
Again, he did, clippings above show it, and those clippings came from factcheck.org who got the document and reviewed it for authenticity, not from B.O.
Really, seriously, give it a rest. The man (Obama) is a natural born American citizen, eligible to run for President. This has been proven, time and again, by the campaign, by factcheck.org, and by other people. So STFU, seriously.
No, actually, he doesn't have to show proof. If he were to hold a press conference or meet with CNN or in any way answer to these scurrilous charges, he would be (1) giving in to those who would like to see him fail; (2) waste precious time; and (3) seemingly validate the smears.
It's the same reason why GWB wouldn't meet with Cindy Sheehan. If Sheehan got an audience with GWB, why couldn't any other mother who lost a son/daughter in Iraq get an audience? (Not saying it's right, but it's the same damned thing).
And come on, do you honestly think that Obama hasn't been through more background checks than anyone could imagine? Let's begin with his adult life: Harvard (yes, I'm quite sure they did some checking on him there). Sidley Austin (yes, as an employee of a law firm, I can attest that severe background checks are done, along with conflicts checks). I'm sure any number of right-wing buttwipes have tried to dig as deep as they could into his past - and they came up with NOTHING. Obama was a legislator in Illinois. I'm sure someone did some digging there and again, came up with NOTHING. Obama became U.S. Senator of Illinois. No background check? Maybe not, but again, I'm sure his opponent, or any number of right-wing nutjobs did some digging. And now, he's about to become the first African-American president, a widely beloved gentleman, and the best you right wing trolls can come up with is some allegation that his birth certificate isn't valid? And you want HIM to prove the charges wrong?
Sorry dude, but as the charging party, YOU have the responsibility to prove that Obama is guilty of which you accuse.
Not even a nice try. Obama handled it the correct way.
You are the first person to answer why he won't deal with this. It actually makes sense, but he could have some surrogate put this to rest and make the people carping about it look like fools. But he doesn't.
And he's done this, time and again. And yet, people like yourself refuse to accept the facts of the situation.
I notice you conveniently forgot to respond to the other points of my post.
If there were a problem with Obama's birth certificate or place of birth, it would have been brought to light long ago.
Keep reaching cons...you're just making yourselves look even more stupid. Lick your wounds and regroup. Your party will need a fresh start.
He did have a surrogate put it to rest. It's called factcheck.org, and I've posted all the photo's they took verifying the birth certificate as authentic. You're refusal to acknowledge that little bit of information gives me the impression you're one of those fools carping about this.
DFens reminds me of the typical Creationist arguing that the world is only 5000 years old. They aren't interested in facts or evidence.... only in promoting their dogma. DFens has a mission; to promote the idea that Obama is a Marxist Muslim A-rab Terrorist who isn't even an American Citizen.
If you show him Obama's original Birth Certificate, he'll just say that it's a forgery. It's like arguing with a crazy person.... somewhat futile.
Some people still believe Obama is a Muslim! Teach the controversy, and let people decide the truth for themselves! (despite all evidence to the contrary)
:)
God, so true. And you can't really prove anything to the creationists either. They claim God purposely planted false evidence. One has to wonder why would God do something like that? To get his jollies off?
Its LIKE arguing with a crazy person?
The world is FLAT! It's easy to see--the sun rises on one side and sets on the other!
DFens is sure to agree.
Can you quantify "the people carping about it look like fools" ? Exactly how many people question Senator Obama's citizenship? Dozens, Hundreds? What is the number?
Three.
DFensFoster:
1) Obama already provided a certificate of live birth. That's a birth certificate. There are pictures all over the web and Factcheck.org already examined the document for authenticity.
2) A Honolulu newspaper reported the birth of Obama in Hawaii.
3) Hawaii's state registrar already verified Obama was born in the states.
4) The case against Obama was thrown out of court because there was no standing at all meaning that the lawyer who filed suit had no single shred of evidence with which he could accuse Obama.
Now, having said all that, the burden of proof lies on the Neo-Conservative talk show hosts (and lawyers) and I'm not gonna whine about McCain's birth certificate. I don't care if he was born in Panama or not. Doesn't matter to me.
No...
What I WANT is for the people who say that Obama is NOT an American citizen to come forward with EVIDENCE that he was born in Kenya or anywhere else in the world besides the United States of America.
This isn't our fight, it's YOURS.
The burden of proof is on YOU, not us. We've already provided evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii that has been certified by Factcheck, the state registar, AND the local paper in Hawaii who reported the birth.
You'll either do one of two things:
1) You'll finally shut the hell up.
or
2) You'll just put your fingers in your ears and shout "la-la-la, not listening" like the child you've been acting like for the last day or so.
But keep tryin'. This is exactly why you guys lost this time: all BS and no plan.
Actually, a case being thrown out because of standing has nothing to do with evidence. It's about his right to file in the first place. He could have an airtight case and still be dismissed on those grounds, not that I think that's the case.
Outside of that, you're absolutely right. These people need to shut the hell up, especially since there's no indication that anyone's going to pursue it, even people who have a tremendous motive to do so.
Hear, hear. I find it hilarious to hear conservatives talking about the sanctity of democracy over highly dubious concerns, while we were told to "get over it" when their fraud couldn't be more obvious.
Snoopy..you have to remember what their idol Reagan once said: "Facts are stupid things."
A civilian national security force, you mean something like the FBI, ATF, or DEA? But hey don't let reality or facts get in the way of your fears and prejudices.
"If he has nothing to hide then why not PRovide the PAPER?"
If you have an allegation you can prove, prove it.
They can't, that's the point.
.....I take stock only in Facts...
Really?
Do you honestly believe that if there was ANYTHING, I mean ANYTHING about Obama's birth certificate, the Republican party wouldn't have jumped all over it? Do you think they'd use the tired old Rev. Wright wedge issue, when they could use Obama's birth certificate?
YOU obviously don't think the Republican party is competent, otherwise you would have told them about this "birth certificate" issue. But then again, you probably told them and they told you, you're nuts!
Michael "Wiener" Savage is just acting like all the rest of the Reich wing Talking Heads! It's actually fun to watch these Idiots going ballistic as they realize that it's over for them and they're going to become even more irrelevant!
Obama is going to bury McShitstain under the most lopsided election in history. Just suck it up and get over it already.
BTW some of the Posters/Troll whining about Obama and his birth certificate really need to get a life. You are starting to sound like the idiot pundits you have been indoctrinated by. Please Grow a brain and start thinking for yourselves!
Please refrain from capitalizing 'talking heads' when not referring to the great post-punk band from the late 70's and 80's. It saves any confusion.
Thanks.
Same as it ever was...
How about Making Flippy Floppy:
I can't believe it
And people are strange
Our president's crazy
Did you hear what he said
Business and pleasure
Lie right to your face
Divide it in sections
And then give it away
50 States to 0??????
68% to 38%??????
Should be 62% to 38%. There are only a few places in the country where the total vote can exceed the number of registered voters.
Savage, limbaugh and others are pulling the hell out of thier listeners balls', they know exactly what they are doing.....and that is find a harmless issue and create a dark aura around the candidate you oppose, and divert attention from the real issues, and pray that your candidate gets elected. Really, they have got to have the most uniformed, unintelligent, and blindly stupid listeners to keep parading this birth certificate nonsense around. DFENSFOSTER is a perfect example of the type of people that Savage, Limbaugh, and Hannity cater to.... ...inspite of Snoopy posted irrefutable evidence provided by factcheck.org admitting and showing that Obama's birth certificate was legit, DFENSFOSTER doesnt even acknowledge or even have the backbone to respond, but continues to respond to every posts thereafter Dude....the game is over......the trick has been played on you.....get a freakin' life, no one is sliding down that slippery slope.......grow up, quit acting like a kid, and get your head out of your ass!!!!!!!! THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUE IS NOT TRUE....THERE IS NOTHING LEGITIMATE ABOUT IT......ITS OVER!!!!!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Somehow I think the success of Rove's evil genius is over. His tactics depend on a largely apathetic public - something that no longer exists. People are out and substantial numbers and have actually been paying attention. So I don't think the same tactics that worked against Clinton are going to be successful against Obama.
But what new tactics will they try?
As I listen to the conservative liars, oops, I mean radio hosts - I see they are focusing their sights on two ideas:
1. It is the begining of the end of democracy in the USA (they cite the National Police Force proposed by Obama as the begining of a Nazi-like SS and the fairness doctrine as an attack on free speech). And
2. He will redistribute wealth and usher in socialism/communism.
These are the two topics they are hammering away at and I think this is how they will try to produce drag on Obama's administration. They will probably try to use the courts as a weapon against him but ultimately, their greatest weapon is Big Business, who may take their wealth out of the country to punish Obama.
That's how I see it coming down. But time will tell.
You can have your president, congrats, you won. I'm not going to sit here and screech about how terrible he is and how he should be impeached like all of you did over bush. We will look at the approval ratings in 3-4 years, and assess how he is doing. I'm sure none of you libs care, but just after obama was elected, 35 rockets were fired into Israel, and Iran declared how happy it is that barack is president...Interesting. I feel so sorry for Israel.
At least your gay "marriage" racket went down in flames. People might be ready for change, but obviously they are not ready for a radical agenda.
You're not going to sit here right now and screech about how he should be impeached? That's some impressive restraint, considering he won't even be sworn in for two and a half months. You are almost Ghandi-esque in your patience.
The Bush impeachment reference is funny, considering it was your guys that impeached Clinton for no valid reason. Bush actually committed impeachable offenses. If Obama does the same, then you can feel free to screech all you want about it.
Did you notice that most countries seemed pretty happy that Obama won? It's not just Iran. I don't think Israel is in any danger of being wiped off the map or anything.
You can have your president, congrats, you won.
Thanks! How generous of you! For a second there, I didn't think you were going to give us permission to actually have Obama as President.
I'm not going to sit here and screech about how terrible he is and how he should be impeached like all of you did over bush.
Wow. Bitter much? Oh, and I would like to remind you that Obama hasn't done anything to be impeached. Hell, he's not even the President yet, so you couldn't whine about that anyhow.
I'm sure none of you libs care, but just after obama was elected, 35 rockets were fired into Israel, and Iran declared how happy it is that barack is president...Interesting. I feel so sorry for Israel.
How is Hamas firing rockets into Israel for the zillionth time "interesting"? That's terrible. Especially since that fight's been going on for years before both Bush's, Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama...
"Libs don't care"? Oh, you're backwards. The thing is, we DO care about the deaths of thousands. Conservatives (or your ultra-right brand of them) use their deaths as a prop...just like you just did. Obama's president and now people are dying and that's Obama's fault? Wow...
And, oh boy, Iran approves of Obama as President. Meaning what? What are you implying?
I mean, I know it's not as exciting as Osama bin Laden endorsing Bush in 2004. I mean, at least you have a guy that masterminded an attack that killed hundreds of people laughing in your face saying that Americans should remember the fear they felt on 9/11 and scaring millions into voting for Bush. Wonder if Bush called OBL to thank him for getting him re-elected.
Oh, that's right. Bush doesn't care about getting OBL, does he?
At least your gay "marriage" racket went down in flames. People might be ready for change, but obviously they are not ready for a radical agenda.
That fight is hardly over...and I find it sad that you gloat about the civil rights of others being revoked.
That's why you lost the election. All the neo-con crap you wrote above.
Here's a suggestion: go do some soul-searching and try to win in 2012.
Tabs great post...these neo-cons don't know which way to go. I heard Laura Ingrahm say that Obama's victory was a confirmation of conservatism?????? HAHAHA, oh foolish me I thought he was some radical Arab socialist...these guys really tickle the s#!t of me...!
Couldn't agree with you more, Conger.
I am continuously impressed with the titles they keep trying to tack onto Obama's name. First, he's a Muslim, then he's a radical racist Muslim Black Guy, then he's Radcial Racist Muslim Black Guy Socialist. Then he's a Radical Racist Muslim Black Guy Socialist Terrorist...
I mean c'mon...according to all these Neo-Con radio hosts and Sarah Palin, Obama's the iPod Touch of the political world. He makes calls, shows you movies, plays your music, maps you to the correct address, sorts out your business lunches, lets you surf the Net...
And you would think that one of those labels conflicts with the other. To be a radical Muslim Racist Black Guy Socialist Terrorist with Extra Crunch Berries and a side of Fries, you would pretty much be a friend to...oh, um...nobody.
They can call him whatever they want. That's why they lost the election. Poor, poor neo-cons.
Ironic that they were taken down by their own vitrol and hate.
Randy
So tel me, why in the world should anyone care about what ever this goof says. He is a mean, hateful person and facts are not at all important to him. #1, I know the nurse who was in the delivery room in Hawaii when Obama was born. Also, when I lived in Hawaii, she told me about this Black baby who was born there - his father from Africa and his mom's family living in Hawaii. While I trust this lady implicitly to tell the total truth, I was reinforced with those facts by the Hawaiian Government authenticating the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. Let this guy prattle on. His side has been delt a big blow and they are not used to folks finally thinking for themselves instead of listening to the "vast right wing conspiracy" crowd.