Responding to Media Matters item, Quinn defended comparison of welfare recipients to slaves
On The War Room, Jim Quinn addressed his prior comments comparing "slave[s] in the old South" to welfare recipients today. Quinn said: "Now, naturally, the point that I was making was that there are two forms of servitude: There's the servitude that you can be forced into, and there's the servitude you can be coerced into, I mean, the horrors of slavery notwithstanding -- naturally, that was my point." He later added: "[W]hen you think about it, the slave had more personal nobility than the welfare recipient, because he or she had no say in their station in life. The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation."
On the November 7 broadcast of The War Room, co-host Jim Quinn addressed comments he made on the previous day's broadcast -- documented by Media Matters for America -- comparing "slave[s] in the old South" to welfare recipients today, the "difference" being that "[t]he slave had to work for" the benefits Quinn said they received.
Quinn said of his November 6 comments, "Now, naturally, the point that I was making was that there are two forms of servitude: There's the servitude that you can be forced into, and there's the servitude you can be coerced into, I mean, the horrors of slavery notwithstanding -- naturally, that was my point." He later added:
QUINN: [W]hen you think about it, the slave had more personal nobility than the welfare recipient, because he or she had no say in their station in life. The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation.
Folks, you can get people to behave the way you want them to behave, but -- two ways: one is by oppression and the other is by pandering to them. And Democrats in the South, and throughout history, learned eventually that oppression didn't work, so pandering seems to be working quite well right now, and it will probably continue to work well into the future under this administration.
Quinn also stated in reference to his November 6 remarks: "But, you know, look, I would like to apologize for one thing. If I made you little babies think, then I apologize. If I woke you up from your little slumber there -- shhh, back to sleep. We'll rock you to sleep, and the dear leader will make everything OK for you, OK?"
Talkers Magazine lists Quinn & Rose on its "Heavy Hundred" list, which it describes as a list of the "100 most important radio talk show hosts in America." According to the show's website, it airs on 18 radio stations and XM Satellite Radio.
From the November 7 broadcast of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose:
QUINN: Well, apparently, the folks at Media Matters are once again in high dudgeon. I knew that this morning when three emails poured in. At least they were succinct anyway: "You're an A-hole." "You're an idiot." And I forget what the other one said, although none of them could tell me why I was wrong. Apparently, they -- yesterday when I did the Frances Rice piece on why Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican, I made an observation that rubbed some folks the wrong way.
QUINN [audio clip]: This is by Frances Rice. You can Google this in HumanEvents.com. Just Google "Frances Rice," a black historian. Frances Rice says, "It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? Well, from its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks." Gee, you'd never know that walking through the hallways of a school today or listening to the media. "And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democratic Party is, as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation, and now, socialism."
You know, I was thinking about this. You know, if you were a slave in the old South, what did you get as a slave? You got free room and board, you got free money, and you got rewarded for having children because that was just, you know, tomorrow's slave. So, you got a free house, you got free money, and you got rewarded for having children. Can I ask a question? How's that different from welfare? You get a free house, you get free food, and you get rewarded for having children. Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second. There is a difference: The slave had to work for it.
AUDIO CLIP: Insensitivity. Insensitivity.
QUINN: Now, naturally, the point that I was making was that there are two forms of servitude: There's the servitude that you can be forced into, and there's the servitude you can be coerced into, I mean, the horrors of slavery notwithstanding -- naturally, that was my point, and I think you know that. But, you know, look, I would like to apologize for one thing. If I made you little babies think, then I apologize. If I woke you up from your little slumber there -- shhh, back to sleep. We'll rock you to sleep, and the dear leader will make everything OK for you, OK?
You know -- but when you think about it -- when you think about it, the slave had more personal nobility than the welfare recipient, because he or she had no say in their station in life. The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation.
Folks, you can get people to behave the way you want them to behave, but -- two ways: one is by oppression and the other is by pandering to them. And Democrats in the South, and throughout history, learned eventually that oppression didn't work, so pandering seems to be working quite well right now, and it will probably continue to work well into the future under this administration.











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This disgusting pair seem to assume something about welfare recipients. That they're mostly descendants of slaves. What racists garbage.
Here's the major welfare recipients:
Except 'Uncle Sam' doesn't look like Obama. That IS Obama's plan, right? To tax small business's and give to corporate giants, like GM, Ford and all the financial institutions. Well, that's what he promised to do.
When did he do that?
More bearing false wittness? Some rightwing source gave it to you so it must be true? Perhaps some part of it might have some connection to reality. Just like the item that he'll create a new Storm Trooper army to force gay marrige upon everyone?
When he promised to tax small business's to pay for his plans. You know...during the election process. Did you pay attention at all? No, probably not. You just vote according to how you're told to vote. No independant thought process. Wanna cracker?
I agree with Philib. Why hasn't Obama fixed the economy yet? He is a terrible President. Bring back Bush, please, things were so great under him!
Uncle Sam doesn't look like Obama? What's that supposed to imply?
Your continual spewing of viral neocon lies & deceptions is not conducive to the healing of America. Rather you, philib, are merely a second-rate anarchist using thinly disguised invective...you are transparent
I'd bet the mortgage that these two sleazeballs were only refering to some welfare recipients.
Not those "Great Americans®" like Sam (Joe) the Laborer (Plumber) who paid into the welfare system, so damn it, he's entitled to suck from the government teat whenever he deems it necessary.
Yes, but there's a difference.
Black people and Mexican immigrants are on welfare because they're lazy and don't want to work.
Joe the Plumber is on welfare because he's a victim of the liberal elite media.
Don't you see the difference?
The vast majority of welfare recipients are white.
If I made you little babies think, then I apologize.
I always love this stuff, the confused wingnut who thinks he's offered some "food for thought" with his scrambled logic.
I have to admit it. They make me think.
They make me think "How could anyone be so devoid of introspection that they aren't embarrassed when they spout this nonsense?".
Only some one who has an audience best described as a sea of ignorance starts a sentence by saying "Now, naturally, the point that I was making..."
Duhhh...that would be because the "vast majority" of Americans are white.
Point missed, good show.
I can't believe he actually types "Duhhhh..." as he's saying it.
Now if only we could see the drool visual we'd be set...
I figure its his unconscious trying desperately to send his conscious(?) mind an important message.
Thanks to MMFA for calling out this racist moron -again. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Sunlight also causes cancer. Perhaps mmfa is getting too much sunlight.
\// Rush says I'm holding up four fingers. How many fingers am I holding up?
One.
Yah got me! Something like nlnn, but taller.
You can always tell when my opinion is correct, you liberals do nothing but whine and call names. I've noticed that no one actually argues any points, you just call names. No wonder being called a liberal is a dirty word.
My favorite was when they said that MLK would oppose the Brady Bill because he said "a right delayed is a right denied."
While you're at it, tell us what MLK's opinion on gay marraige and abortion would be.
The opposite of yours.
I think he was more of a devout Christian. Which, today, would upset most (if not all) liberals.
It says a lot that you believe it's even possible that no liberals are devout Christians, and that other people's personal religious beliefs are somehow offensive to us even if that was the case. You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Exactly. I know a lot of seriously hardcore devout Christians, who are also hard core left wing liberals. Thing is, they don't let their own personal faith interceded on their political opinions, because they believe, just like the US Constitution, that the 2 things, religion and politics, need to have a wall of separation between the 2 of them.
Phil, you're a loon if you think that there are no liberals who are devout Christians, that, or you're just ignorant. I'm betting the latter.
Show me a hard core left wing liberal Christian who believes killing innocent babies is OK and I'll show you hard core left wing liberal who isn't born again. You do know Christ says you must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, right? Do you know what it means to be born again?
That's going to be a difficult argument for you. For one thing, different denominations define that differently. It could be baptism, it could be the act of adopting Christ as your personal savior. Neither of those things have anything to do with abortion.
Also, "born again" doesn't mean accepting that abortion is murder. That is not expressed in the Bible, and much of that argument depends on the definition of when life begins. I'm not sure the Bible helps you there, either, but maybe you can quote some passages to help your case. In any event, you would seem to be discriminating against people who don't comply with your personal definitions.
I think he was more of a devout Christian. Which, today, would upset most (if not all) liberals.
Do yourself a favor and look up "Liberation Theology."
Then STFU with your ignorance.
Perhaps "liberation theology" no longer means what you think it means.
"STFU"??? Am I no longer allowed to post my opinion? Is that how you liberation theology works? Those with a less popular opinion are told to STFU? That must be why I don't suscribe to that theology, I believe in freedoms not oppression, like YOU DO.
Yes, It means what I thought it means. You certainly haven't looked it up. Because if you had, you would know there is NOTHING in it that says killing innocent babies is OK. The only reason you like the phrase is because it's closely spelled like 'liberal'. Where does liberation theology say being homosexual is not a sin?
When you can bring a logical arguement, do so. If you're just going to whine that I voice my opinion then that would be very 'liberal' of you.
Wow. You get a free house if you're on welfare? Sign me up.
Well, he's right! I'm about to go willingly on welfare in December! Of course, my factory closing because they are outsourcing and 7 months of job searching for anything at 75% to 100% of my current salary providing a whopping total of zero hits in the interview department did sway my choice, but darn skippy I'm going willingly! ;)
All those CEOs that shipped the jobs overseas should be paying the welfare checks, and then opening up new job opportunities for the displaced workers. This is beyond crazy.
Ooh! Philib should be part of this discussion. I'd be curious if he'd agree with the same ferver he used to claim gay and lesbian couples should pay more for insurance because of aids!
I agree with mary. Only they should be paying more than just welfare.
However, I don't know why you would think smokers should pay more for insurance but gays shouldn't? Don't both lifestyles cause major financial hardships on everyone involved? Or is your hypocrisy still alive and kicking?
As I've said before, if everyone in the country had the same intelligence, talent and work ethic, we'd still have poor people. That's the price of Capitalism, that some people will be more successful than others, no matter what. It's not as simple as a choice between welfare and financial comfort, because the system dictates that some people will not have that choice even in the best of scenarios.
I remember, several years ago, Rush Limbaugh was bloviating about the massive loss of manufacturing jobs in the Rustbelt. His solution? They should all just start their own business!
This is another Republican fantasy.... that anyone can start and successfully run a business.
Start their own businesses?
That's like McCain saying during his campaign that millions of Americans have started their own businesses on eBay.
Who the hell believes these guys?
I remember, several years ago, Rush Limbaugh was bloviating about the massive loss of manufacturing jobs in the Rustbelt. His solution? They should all just start their own business!
This is another Republican fantasy.... that anyone can start and successfully run a business.
Remember Newt Gingrich's bright idea about giving every ppoor person a laptop? He though they would use them to start small businesses, but you just know that missions of them would have wound up in pawn shops with the proceeds used to buy food, clothing, pay utility bills, etc.
I couldn't agree more. America is not a meritocracy.
Ol' Ebenezer would be more accurate if he compared welfare to indentured servitude. Nothing like contracting labor and then paying them just barely enough so they can never pay back their debt and then WHAM! Stick it to them and make them permanent slaves courtesy of the legal process. A republican's wet dream...
Not just a "wet dream," Snoops. It's alive and well in Saipan, Tom DeLay's "petri dish of liberty." Check out Thomas Frank's THE WRECKING CREW, How Conservatives Rule, if your stomach is strong enough.
Robochub, I think it may have been an attempt at snarky humor, meaning MM doesn't reach a large number of people.
I know, it doesn't work--He's simultaneously trying to invent some sort of hysteria at this site (the moderators or the posters, I'm not sure) ,and mock the lackluster reaction.This is why right wing humor is so difficult, trying to get to some truth with all of those conflicting ideas.
Three emails probably IS a deluge to these folks. Think about what kind of a mind it takes to listen to their dreck. Now, how many of those folks do you think can operate a computer well enough to compose and send an email?
The folks on MM are probably the only ones who ever write to poor quinn.
There are relly only two kinds of people who get welfare: 1)children and 2) disabled folks. If you're just a plain poor person, do you get welfare? You do nlot.
All these folks' high dudgeon and 'earning' chants don't really work well against children. Yeah, you worked hard and the recipient didn't--but the recipient has the excuse that she is a baby. Suddenly all that righteous indignation looks a little more like Dickensian cruelty.
So they reformulate it that folks get welfare for having kids. Much easier to go after those lazt parents than those lazy babies. You reduce children to something like financial instruments in order to be able to rant about how hard you worked.
THere are onlytwo types of people who are fooled by this: 1)folks with absolutely no social sense (cf. College Republicans) and folks for whom 'welfare is a dog whistle for 'blacks'.
Go ahead: talk a little more about those lazy good for nothing toddlers you feel no obligation to support.
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? Aren't there textile machines for them to tent, or chimneys to crawl through?
You'll wear the chains you forged in life, Mr. Quinn.
Well, Simple Sarah demonstrated that they have no problem using babies as political props. I've seen several clips of her lugging that poor child around like a sack of groceries, facing away from her. Did she carry him that way so that we would be ever reminded of his "specialness?" Maybe that's just the way you do it after five kids, but when my daughter was that age, I never carried her like that.
Great post, pbg. Thanks
mary, do you think telling lies is being a "Great post"? Besides his terrible spelling, he is wrong on who is eligible for welfare.
"Welfare is government aid intended to help those with little to no income, including the working poor. Aimed primarily at families with children, older individuals, and those who are disabled, welfare can include cash assistance, food stamps, and Medicaid." http://www.wisegeek.com/who-is-eligible-for-welfare-in-the-united-states.htm
But, I guess if it's "great" to be like Quinn, then his post is great.
HA! Very true.
Tinfoil hat time. Maybe the Talk Radio Troglodytes are saying all these outrageous things to distract us from the inevitable sh*tstorm of revelations about the Criminal activity in the Bush Administration, as all the rats scramble to save themselves from prosecution?
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/11/obama_wiretap
I can't wait to see President Numbnuts list of pardons.
Maybe he thinks BLACK babies make delicious BBQ. Would that elicit a more passionate response?
I think the point is being missed. This is an old conservative canard that welfare is a secret liberal plan to subjugate the poor and exploit them for political gain rather than an altruistic attempt to provide for those in need. The logic goes like this: if people are better off on welfare than working for a living, then they have no incentive to seek employment. This leads to a perpetual state of welfare that is a form of indentured servitude that the recipient will seek to continue by voting for liberal candidates. Michael Savage's illogical argument that welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote is a variation on this theme. The real goal is to scapegoat welfare recipients and make "liberals" appear oppressive with implied racist overtones.
The problem with the argument is that Bill Clinton signed a sweeping welfare reform bill in 1996 aimed at encouraging welfare recipients to seek employment by limiting the duration of their support, legislation that was heavily supported by Republicans. In his comments that day Clinton said, "The two parties cannot attack each other over it. Politicians cannot attack poor people over it. There are no encrusted habits, systems and failures that can be laid at the foot of someone else."
Maybe so, but that hasn't stopped them from trying.
Glenn Beck spouts that stuff every day. It's pretty clever, really. They can pretend that they oppose welfare because they care so much.
You'd prefer forcing them of course. A large helpless underclass is a wingnut wet dream.
That would be YOUR wet dream then. You're the one who believes in socialism and marxism and communism. Those ideals need your wet dream to come true.