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Responding to Media Matters item, Quinn defended comparison of welfare recipients to slaves

November 10, 2008 11:00 am ET

On The War Room, Jim Quinn addressed his prior comments comparing "slave[s] in the old South" to welfare recipients today. Quinn said: "Now, naturally, the point that I was making was that there are two forms of servitude: There's the servitude that you can be forced into, and there's the servitude you can be coerced into, I mean, the horrors of slavery notwithstanding -- naturally, that was my point." He later added: "[W]hen you think about it, the slave had more personal nobility than the welfare recipient, because he or she had no say in their station in life. The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation."

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On the November 7 broadcast of The War Room, co-host Jim Quinn addressed comments he made on the previous day's broadcast -- documented by Media Matters for America -- comparing "slave[s] in the old South" to welfare recipients today, the "difference" being that "[t]he slave had to work for" the benefits Quinn said they received.

Quinn said of his November 6 comments, "Now, naturally, the point that I was making was that there are two forms of servitude: There's the servitude that you can be forced into, and there's the servitude you can be coerced into, I mean, the horrors of slavery notwithstanding -- naturally, that was my point." He later added:

QUINN: [W]hen you think about it, the slave had more personal nobility than the welfare recipient, because he or she had no say in their station in life. The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation.

Folks, you can get people to behave the way you want them to behave, but -- two ways: one is by oppression and the other is by pandering to them. And Democrats in the South, and throughout history, learned eventually that oppression didn't work, so pandering seems to be working quite well right now, and it will probably continue to work well into the future under this administration.

Quinn also stated in reference to his November 6 remarks: "But, you know, look, I would like to apologize for one thing. If I made you little babies think, then I apologize. If I woke you up from your little slumber there -- shhh, back to sleep. We'll rock you to sleep, and the dear leader will make everything OK for you, OK?"

Talkers Magazine lists Quinn & Rose on its "Heavy Hundred" list, which it describes as a list of the "100 most important radio talk show hosts in America." According to the show's website, it airs on 18 radio stations and XM Satellite Radio.

From the November 7 broadcast of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose:

QUINN: Well, apparently, the folks at Media Matters are once again in high dudgeon. I knew that this morning when three emails poured in. At least they were succinct anyway: "You're an A-hole." "You're an idiot." And I forget what the other one said, although none of them could tell me why I was wrong. Apparently, they -- yesterday when I did the Frances Rice piece on why Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican, I made an observation that rubbed some folks the wrong way.

QUINN [audio clip]: This is by Frances Rice. You can Google this in HumanEvents.com. Just Google "Frances Rice," a black historian. Frances Rice says, "It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? Well, from its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks." Gee, you'd never know that walking through the hallways of a school today or listening to the media. "And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democratic Party is, as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation, and now, socialism."

You know, I was thinking about this. You know, if you were a slave in the old South, what did you get as a slave? You got free room and board, you got free money, and you got rewarded for having children because that was just, you know, tomorrow's slave. So, you got a free house, you got free money, and you got rewarded for having children. Can I ask a question? How's that different from welfare? You get a free house, you get free food, and you get rewarded for having children. Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second. There is a difference: The slave had to work for it.

AUDIO CLIP: Insensitivity. Insensitivity.

QUINN: Now, naturally, the point that I was making was that there are two forms of servitude: There's the servitude that you can be forced into, and there's the servitude you can be coerced into, I mean, the horrors of slavery notwithstanding -- naturally, that was my point, and I think you know that. But, you know, look, I would like to apologize for one thing. If I made you little babies think, then I apologize. If I woke you up from your little slumber there -- shhh, back to sleep. We'll rock you to sleep, and the dear leader will make everything OK for you, OK?

You know -- but when you think about it -- when you think about it, the slave had more personal nobility than the welfare recipient, because he or she had no say in their station in life. The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation.

Folks, you can get people to behave the way you want them to behave, but -- two ways: one is by oppression and the other is by pandering to them. And Democrats in the South, and throughout history, learned eventually that oppression didn't work, so pandering seems to be working quite well right now, and it will probably continue to work well into the future under this administration.

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    • Author by mary59 (November 10, 2008 11:03 am ET)
         

      This disgusting pair seem to assume something about welfare recipients.  That they're mostly descendants of slaves.  What racists garbage.

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      • Author by mary59 (November 10, 2008 2:42 pm ET)
           

        Here's the major welfare recipients:

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        • Author by philib (November 11, 2008 9:34 am ET)
             

             Except 'Uncle Sam' doesn't look like Obama. That IS Obama's plan, right? To tax small business's and give to corporate giants, like GM, Ford and all the financial institutions. Well, that's what he promised to do.

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          • Author by eweston8542983 (November 11, 2008 10:36 am ET)
               

            When did he do that?

            More bearing false wittness? Some rightwing source gave it to you so it must be true? Perhaps some part of it might have some connection to reality. Just like the item that he'll create a new Storm Trooper army to force gay marrige upon everyone?

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            • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 9:45 am ET)
                 

                 When he promised to tax small business's to pay for his plans. You know...during the election process. Did you pay attention at all? No, probably not. You just vote according to how you're told to vote. No independant thought process. Wanna cracker?

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (November 11, 2008 1:27 pm ET)
               

            I agree with Philib.  Why hasn't Obama fixed the economy yet?  He is a terrible President.  Bring back Bush, please, things were so great under him!

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          • Author by snoopy (November 11, 2008 5:49 pm ET)
               

            Uncle Sam doesn't look like Obama? What's that supposed to imply?

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          • Author by nativeofsf (November 11, 2008 10:02 pm ET)
               

            Your continual spewing of viral neocon lies & deceptions is not conducive to the healing of America. Rather you, philib, are merely a second-rate anarchist using thinly disguised invective...you are transparent

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    • Author by worrierking (November 10, 2008 11:07 am ET)
         

      I'd bet the mortgage that these two sleazeballs were only refering to some welfare recipients.

      Not those "Great Americans®" like Sam (Joe) the Laborer (Plumber) who paid into the welfare system, so damn it, he's entitled to suck from the government teat whenever he deems it necessary.

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (November 10, 2008 11:29 am ET)
           

        Yes, but there's a difference.

        Black people and Mexican immigrants are on welfare because they're lazy and don't want to work.

        Joe the Plumber is on welfare because he's a victim of the liberal elite media.

        Don't you see the difference?

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 10, 2008 11:21 am ET)
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      The vast majority of welfare recipients are white.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 10, 2008 11:26 am ET)
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        If I made you little babies think, then I apologize.

        I always love this stuff, the confused wingnut who thinks he's offered some "food for thought" with his scrambled logic.

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        • Author by neon desert (November 10, 2008 11:40 am ET)
             

          I have to admit it.  They make me think.

          They make me think "How could anyone be so devoid of introspection that they aren't embarrassed when they spout this nonsense?".

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        • Author by worrierking (November 10, 2008 11:43 am ET)
             

          Only some one who has an audience best described as a sea of ignorance starts a sentence by saying "Now, naturally, the point that I was making..." 

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      • Author by philib (November 11, 2008 9:40 am ET)
           

           Duhhh...that would be because the "vast majority" of Americans are white.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 10, 2008 11:50 am ET)
         
      " Naturally that was my point " if you have to explain your point days after Media Matters called you on it is a little suspicious. And he doesn't even realise by bringing up the subject actually polarises the nation into perpetuating the divide. These two are the problem.
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    • Author by tippy (November 10, 2008 12:05 pm ET)
         

      Thanks to MMFA for calling out this racist moron -again.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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      • Author by philib (November 11, 2008 9:41 am ET)
           

           Sunlight also causes cancer. Perhaps mmfa is getting too much sunlight.

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        • Author by eweston8542983 (November 11, 2008 10:54 am ET)
             

          \//     Rush says I'm holding up four fingers. How many fingers am I holding up?

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          • Author by snoopy (November 11, 2008 5:49 pm ET)
               

            One.

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            • Author by eweston8542983 (November 11, 2008 8:59 pm ET)
                 

              Yah got me! Something like nlnn, but taller.

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              • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 9:35 am ET)
                   

                  You can always tell when my opinion is correct, you liberals do nothing but whine and call names. I've noticed that no one actually argues any points, you just call names. No wonder being called a liberal is a dirty word.

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    • Author by jmjonemoore2011 (November 10, 2008 12:45 pm ET)
         
      MLK, a self-described Democratic Socialist, would vote Republican. The idea is laughable on its face.
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      • Author by wookie (November 10, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
           

        My favorite was when they said that MLK would oppose the Brady Bill because he said "a right delayed is a right denied."

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      • Author by philib (November 11, 2008 9:46 am ET)
           

           I think he was more of a devout Christian. Which, today, would upset most (if not all) liberals.

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        • Author by Brabantio (November 11, 2008 10:22 am ET)
             

          It says a lot that you believe it's even possible that no liberals are devout Christians, and that other people's personal religious beliefs are somehow offensive to us even if that was the case.  You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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          • Author by magnolialover (November 11, 2008 12:34 pm ET)
               

            Exactly. I know a lot of seriously hardcore devout Christians, who are also hard core left wing liberals. Thing is, they don't let their own personal faith interceded on their political opinions, because they believe, just like the US Constitution, that the 2 things, religion and politics, need to have a wall of separation between the 2 of them.

            Phil, you're a loon if you think that there are no liberals who are devout Christians, that, or you're just ignorant. I'm betting the latter.

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            • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 8:50 am ET)
                 

                 Show me a hard core left wing liberal Christian who believes killing innocent babies is OK and I'll show you hard core left wing liberal who isn't born again. You do know Christ says you must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, right? Do you know what it means to be born again?

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              • Author by Brabantio (November 13, 2008 11:02 am ET)
                   

                That's going to be a difficult argument for you.  For one thing, different denominations define that differently.  It could be baptism, it could be the act of adopting Christ as your personal savior.  Neither of those things have anything to do with abortion.

                Also, "born again" doesn't mean accepting that abortion is murder.  That is not expressed in the Bible, and much of that argument depends on the definition of when life begins.  I'm not sure the Bible helps you there, either, but maybe you can quote some passages to help your case.  In any event, you would seem to be discriminating against people who don't comply with your personal definitions.

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 11, 2008 10:25 pm ET)
             

          I think he was more of a devout Christian. Which, today, would upset most (if not all) liberals.

          Do yourself a favor and look up "Liberation Theology."

          Then STFU with your ignorance.

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          • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 8:53 am ET)
               

               Perhaps "liberation theology" no longer means what you think it means.

            "STFU"???  Am I no longer allowed to post my opinion? Is that how you liberation theology works? Those with a less popular opinion are told to STFU? That must be why I don't suscribe to that theology, I believe in freedoms not oppression, like YOU DO.

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            • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 9:31 am ET)
                 

                 Yes, It means what I thought it means. You certainly haven't looked it up. Because if you had, you would know there is NOTHING in it that says killing innocent babies is OK. The only reason you like the phrase is because it's closely spelled like 'liberal'. Where does liberation theology say being homosexual is not a sin?

                 When you can bring a logical arguement, do so. If you're just going to whine that I voice my opinion then that would be very 'liberal' of you.

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    • Author by shaggles (November 10, 2008 12:53 pm ET)
         

      Wow.  You get a free house if you're on welfare?  Sign me up.

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    • Author by captfoster2 (November 10, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
         
      So basically, what this bastard is saying is that people go willingly on welfare...? I see... and this coming from a jerk that (my guess is) never had to deal ever with the decision of having to go on or stay on welfare for any period of time... While I would add that there are a few people, here and there that will do all they can to stay on welfare, they are far and few between! No rational person wants to be on welfare any longer than necessary... I would be willing to bet that even those that go out of their way to be on welfare, would give it up in a heartbeat if a job existed that they would not mind doing. Hey Quinn... if you really are so damn upset over welfare... why not show a little anger toward all that corporate welfare that your side loves to give to those millionaires and billionaires that supposedly need to be saved so that our economy does not tank?? Damned hypocrite!!
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      • Author by snoopy (November 10, 2008 5:25 pm ET)
           

        Well, he's right! I'm about to go willingly on welfare in December! Of course, my factory closing because they are outsourcing and 7 months of job searching for anything at 75% to 100% of my current salary providing a whopping total of zero hits in the interview department did sway my choice, but darn skippy I'm going willingly! ;)

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        • Author by mary59 (November 10, 2008 7:26 pm ET)
             

          All those CEOs that shipped the jobs overseas should be paying the welfare checks, and then opening up new job opportunities for the displaced workers.  This is beyond crazy.

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          • Author by snoopy (November 10, 2008 8:20 pm ET)
               

            Ooh! Philib should be part of this discussion. I'd be curious if he'd agree with the same ferver he used to claim gay and lesbian couples should pay more for insurance because of aids!

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            • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 9:17 am ET)
                 

                 I agree with mary. Only they should be paying more than just welfare.

               However, I don't know why you would think smokers should pay more for insurance but gays shouldn't? Don't both lifestyles cause major financial hardships on everyone involved? Or is your hypocrisy still alive and kicking?

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    • Author by Brabantio (November 10, 2008 1:02 pm ET)
         

      As I've said before, if everyone in the country had the same intelligence, talent and work ethic, we'd still have poor people.  That's the price of Capitalism, that some people will be more successful than others, no matter what.  It's not as simple as a choice between welfare and financial comfort, because the system dictates that some people will not have that choice even in the best of scenarios.

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      • Author by nerzog (November 10, 2008 1:07 pm ET)
           

        I remember, several years ago, Rush Limbaugh was bloviating about the massive loss of manufacturing jobs in the Rustbelt.   His solution?  They should all just start their own business!

        This is another Republican fantasy.... that anyone can start and successfully run a business.  

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        • Author by worrierking (November 10, 2008 2:02 pm ET)
             

          Start their own businesses?

          That's like McCain saying during his campaign that millions of Americans have started their own businesses on eBay.

          Who the hell believes these guys?

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        • Author by wzwriter (November 10, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
             

          I remember, several years ago, Rush Limbaugh was bloviating about the massive loss of manufacturing jobs in the Rustbelt.   His solution?  They should all just start their own business!

          This is another Republican fantasy.... that anyone can start and successfully run a business.  

          Remember Newt Gingrich's bright idea about giving every ppoor person a laptop?  He though they would use them to start small businesses, but you just know that missions of them would have wound up in pawn shops with the proceeds used to buy food, clothing, pay utility bills, etc.

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      • Author by shaggles (November 10, 2008 5:06 pm ET)
           

        I couldn't agree more.  America is not a meritocracy.

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    • Author by snoopy (November 10, 2008 1:06 pm ET)
         

      Ol' Ebenezer would be more accurate if he compared welfare to indentured servitude. Nothing like contracting labor and then paying them just barely enough so they can never pay back their debt and then WHAM! Stick it to them and make them permanent slaves courtesy of the legal process. A republican's wet dream...

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      • Author by Conchobhar (November 10, 2008 2:10 pm ET)
           

        Not just a "wet dream," Snoops.  It's alive and well in Saipan, Tom DeLay's "petri dish of liberty."  Check out Thomas Frank's  THE WRECKING CREW, How Conservatives Rule, if your stomach is strong enough. 

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    • Author by robotchubby (November 10, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
         
      "Well, apparently, the folks at Media Matters are once again in high dudgeon. I knew that this morning when three emails poured in." If he thinks three emails are a deluge "pouring in," his show is in a lot of trouble.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 10, 2008 1:25 pm ET)
           

        Robochub, I think it may have been an attempt at snarky humor, meaning MM doesn't reach a large number of people.

        I know, it doesn't work--He's simultaneously trying to invent some sort of hysteria at this site (the moderators or the posters, I'm not sure) ,and mock the lackluster reaction.This is why right wing humor is so difficult, trying to get to some truth with all of those conflicting ideas.

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      • Author by albertsenj (November 12, 2008 3:33 am ET)
           

        Three emails probably IS a deluge to these folks. Think about what kind of a mind it takes to listen to their dreck. Now, how many of those folks do you think can operate a computer well enough to compose and send an email?

        The folks on MM are probably the only ones who ever write to poor quinn.

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    • Author by pbg (November 10, 2008 1:25 pm ET)
         

      There are relly only two kinds of people who get welfare: 1)children and 2) disabled folks. If you're just a plain poor person, do you get welfare? You do nlot.

      All these folks' high dudgeon and 'earning' chants don't really work well against children. Yeah, you worked hard and the recipient didn't--but the recipient has the excuse that she is a baby. Suddenly all that righteous indignation looks a little more like Dickensian cruelty.

      So they reformulate it that folks get welfare for having kids. Much easier to go after those lazt parents than those lazy babies. You reduce children to something like financial instruments in order to be able to rant about how hard you worked.

      THere are onlytwo types of people who are fooled by this: 1)folks with absolutely no social sense (cf. College Republicans) and folks for whom 'welfare is a dog whistle for 'blacks'.

      Go ahead: talk a little more about those lazy good for nothing toddlers you feel no obligation to support.

      Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? Aren't there textile machines for them to tent, or chimneys to crawl through?

      You'll wear the chains you forged in life, Mr. Quinn.

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      • Author by nerzog (November 10, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
           

        Well, Simple Sarah demonstrated that they have no problem using babies as political props.  I've seen several clips of her lugging that poor child around like a sack of groceries, facing away from her.  Did she carry him that way so that we would be ever reminded of his "specialness?"  Maybe that's just the way you do it after five kids, but when my daughter was that age, I never carried her like that.

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      • Author by mary59 (November 10, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
           

        Great post, pbg.  Thanks

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        • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 9:07 am ET)
             

             mary, do you think telling lies is being a "Great post"?  Besides his terrible spelling, he is wrong on who is eligible for welfare.

          "Welfare is government aid intended to help those with little to no income, including the working poor. Aimed primarily at families with children, older individuals, and those who are disabled, welfare can include cash assistance, food stamps, and Medicaid."  http://www.wisegeek.com/who-is-eligible-for-welfare-in-the-united-states.htm

            But, I guess if it's "great" to be like Quinn, then his post is great.

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      • Author by shaggles (November 10, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
           

        HA!  Very true.

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    • Author by wookie (November 10, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
         
      So unpaid labor is the same thing as government checks? And since when is the South full of bleeding hearts handing out the cash? Government aid doesn't actually prevent you from doing anything.
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    • Author by nerzog (November 10, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
         

      Tinfoil hat time.  Maybe the Talk Radio Troglodytes are saying all these outrageous things to distract us from the inevitable sh*tstorm of revelations about the Criminal activity in the Bush Administration, as all the rats scramble to save themselves from prosecution?

      http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/11/obama_wiretap

      I can't wait to see President Numbnuts list of pardons.

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    • Author by magnolialover (November 10, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
         
      I've said it before, and I'll say it again. These 2 are on a ROLL! They're so on a roll, that they must be butter. Equating poor people to slaves and all. Next thing you know, they'll be equating gay people to pedophiles, and fans of beastiality (I'm sure that this topic is coming soon, due to the media attention Prop 8 in CA is gathering).
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    • Author by Sagra (November 10, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
         
      At least they were succinct anyway: "You're an A-hole." "You're an idiot." And I forget what the other one said, although none of them could tell me why I was wrong.
      Quinn would get much the same response if he said that babies make delicious barbeque. And would we be able to tell him why his statement was wrong? No, because none of us know whether babies make delicious barbeque or not.
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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (November 10, 2008 5:20 pm ET)
           

        Maybe he thinks BLACK babies make delicious BBQ.  Would that elicit a more passionate response?

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    • Author by kilgore.trout4511165 (November 10, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
         

      I think the point is being missed.  This is an old conservative canard that welfare is a secret liberal plan to subjugate the poor and exploit them for political gain rather than an altruistic attempt to provide for those in need.  The logic goes like this: if people are better off on welfare than working for a living, then they have no incentive to seek employment.  This leads to a perpetual state of welfare that is a form of indentured servitude that the recipient will seek to continue by voting for liberal candidates.  Michael Savage's illogical argument that welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote is a variation on this theme.  The real goal is to scapegoat welfare recipients and make "liberals" appear oppressive with implied racist overtones. 

      The problem with the argument is that Bill Clinton signed a sweeping welfare reform bill in 1996 aimed at encouraging welfare recipients to seek employment by limiting the duration of their support, legislation that was heavily supported by Republicans.  In his comments that day Clinton said, "The two parties cannot attack each other over it. Politicians cannot attack poor people over it. There are no encrusted habits, systems and failures that can be laid at the foot of someone else." 

      Maybe so, but that hasn't stopped them from trying.

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      • Author by nerzog (November 10, 2008 4:41 pm ET)
           

        Glenn Beck spouts that stuff every day.  It's pretty clever, really.  They can pretend that they oppose welfare because they care so much.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (November 10, 2008 5:42 pm ET)
         
      Living here in Pittsburgh, I assure everyone that this clown is thought of as a jerk. People just don't listen any longer because or the hatred and nonsense that these two spew on a daily basis. Someone mentioned his target audience--let me assure you that most of his listeners would feel at home in the Deep South. Now for those that understand the insanity of his so called commentary, his show is actually funny..in a sad sort of way. Mr. Quinn and the phony Christian are hanging on dearly to thier employment vehicle. If this farcical show would disappear, it would not be missed. And Mr. Quinn, why don't you suggest that everyone be taken off welfare. Then, you can hire them to help on your show because without any means of income, they will be looking to feed thier families. And guess who has the money to get food, YOU. You can talk all you want about your bravado and your guns but remember, you won't have enough. P.S. Forwarded this to the local NAACP branch here in Pgh. Not that Quinnie is talking about black people but we'll let him school any dissenters from the Black Community
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    • Author by philib (November 11, 2008 9:32 am ET)
         
      "The welfare recipient actually volunteers for it. It is the liberal plantation." That is funny.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 11, 2008 10:40 am ET)
           

        You'd prefer forcing them of course. A large helpless underclass is a wingnut wet dream. 

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        • Author by philib (November 13, 2008 9:49 am ET)
             

              That would be YOUR wet dream then. You're the one who believes in socialism and marxism and communism. Those ideals need your wet dream to come true.

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