Savage: Most "Ph.D. experts on children are either gay or crazy ... if they were married, they either tried to kill their wife or were in rehab"
Discussing "children" on his radio show, Michael Savage stated: "I'm as good an expert as any. I have found in my life that most of the Ph.D. experts on children are either gay or crazy and were never married. Or if they were married, they either tried to kill their wife or were in rehab for a few years, and then came out and went into psychotherapy to find out why they killed, or attempted to kill. And then they washed it all away, and suddenly they're experts on childrearing."
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Discussing "children" on the November 14 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage stated: "I'm as good an expert as any. I have found in my life that most of the Ph.D. experts on children are either gay or crazy and were never married. Or if they were married, they either tried to kill their wife or were in rehab for a few years, and then came out and went into psychotherapy to find out why they killed, or attempted to kill. And then they washed it all away, and suddenly they're experts on childrearing."
As Media Matters for America documented, Savage previously claimed that autism is "[a] fraud, a racket," and went on to say, "I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' " Savage also said: "Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the November 14 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: And I wanna talk about children -- I've got two minutes here, I'm gonna -- cause a young man called earlier, and he asked me to talk abut children. Now, suddenly I'm the resident expert on children. But you know what? I'm as good as any, 'cause I have children who are adults, and they're both wonderful people, and fine people, and the fact of the matter is I'm as good an expert as any. I have found in my life that most of the Ph.D. experts on children are either gay or crazy and were never married. Or if they were married, they either tried to kill their wife or were in rehab for a few years, and then came out and went into psychotherapy to find out why they killed, or attempted to kill. And then they washed it all away, and suddenly they're experts on childrearing.
I mean, I'll tell you, that's what I've found. So, I'm as good a source as any on how to raise a child. You wanna hear the number one rule? It's really simple. I remember when I had my first child. I had been living in the islands at that time. I flew all the way home, 6,000 miles, when my father died, to the funeral. And I had -- I took my little baby with us. I mean, you know, it was like an infant. It was terrible. What a reason to come home to that, but you can't pick things in life. Things happen.
So, after the -- the, the -- whatever -- you know, you go to the house and you, whatever, drink, and we're sitting and talking. I remember asking one of my uncles, who, incidentally, did not have children himself, but he was not a bad guy. Somehow I loved him and thought he knew everything, but he never had kids himself.
So, I said, "Well, really, I don't know the rules. How do you raise a child? What are you supposed to do?" I didn't know how to raise a child. What -- do you think you know? I didn't know. I was -- I was not a baby. I mean, I was like 28 at the time, but I was still, by today's standards, I was like an infant. They don't have children today till they're 60 in Los Angeles. The guy is bald, he's got one foot in the earth, and he marries his masseuse, or his Viagra provider, and then they have a baby, and the baby is 12 when he drops dead. I don't know how these kids are all gonna survive with these fathers -- 60 years. All right, that's a second story.
So, I asked my uncle, "How do you raise a child? I mean, what's the rules here?" My uncle said something to me that I remember to this day. He said, "You know what? There are no rules except one that you have to remember: Love them. If you love them, everything will work out." And you know something? He was right.
Point one from Savage: "most of the Ph.D. experts on children are either gay or crazy and were never married. Or if they were married, they either tried to kill their wife or were in rehab for a few years, and then came out and went into psychotherapy to find out why they killed, or attempted to kill. And then they washed it all away, and suddenly they're experts on childrearing."
Point two from Savage: "I'm as good an expert as any."
Game, set and match.
Now, if he had just gone right to his point, instead of trying to insult everyone who he thinks are his enemies, he would have been good to go on this one. As in, the love bit at the very end of his tirade. If he had just said that, that would be the one thing that Savage has said that I could agree with, but nope, he has to go about it in his ego maniacal way to get to a point that is actually salient. Although, I'm sure if he were talking about 2 gay guys adopting and loving a child, that would be "different" somehow.
Good point. But if had skipped all his inflammatory insults and gone right to his end point, which I agree is a good one, then that would compromise his stellar reputation as a shock-peddling useless talk radio screamer. No way.
That's why Savage will never be noteworthy beyond shock jock. Paul Harvey can do in 5 minutes what takes Savage two hours. Page two...
It's par for the course though with these coservatives - just mock, demean and insult anyone who knows more about something than they do, and that will fool people into thinking that the host and guest are somehow on equal footing on the issue.
You see this with psychology (gay and/or gender issues), the economy (unions, taxing/spending), Science (Global Warming)... demean the expert and the voice of the ignortant will ring clear.
Jeff Christie posed this question once - What makes an expert an expert?
In other words, what makes the opinion of an expert any more valuable than the opinions of you and me? Especially when the experts are making guesses and speculations, something that doesn't separate the experts from everyone else at all.
Something like this can be blatantly obvious in football, where the "you and me" do nothing but criticize the "experts" over their opinions. Don't believe me? Take a look at SportsIllustrated's commentaries and the comments that follow
Experts, mean that they have basis in factual evidence, and or experience, to back up what they're saying. For instance, I work in the automotive business, and have done so for almost 14 years. I would consider myself an expert in the business of automotive quality based on my years of experience, my education, and what's seen and done. You could claim the same, but alas, you'd be wrong. Same as Limbaugh, because "experts" on a particular subject, tend to either have the bona fides to back up what they're saying, or education, experience, or a combination of many of those things.
Someone who has spent years studying a topic IS more knowledgble about it than the likes of thee and me. If they say "up" and we say "down" chances are: it's up. I'm not going to debate a PhD in a given topic unless (1) the PhD itself is highly suspect (University of Phoenix - which I don;t believe offers one) or (2) it is a topic that I myself am HIGHLY KNOWLEGIBLE in, as opposed to just have a strong opinion on.
For example - I know as much about baseball as just about anyone who hasn't been employed by it professionally. I would feel comfortable debating any non-professional, on matters involving strategy, player rankings, statistics and the Hall of Fame. And there are a few professionals that I could hold my own against, although I would keep the discussion/debate fairly narrow. Now FOOTBALL? I can watch a game and offer my opinion, but if you say I'm wrong - I'll probably concede the point.
I also have an MBA - so I'll debate economics and yes, my "A's" in Micro and Macro generally mean that "I'm right" and "You're wrong" if you've never taken a course, and simply get your opinions fro right-wing talk radio. You simply don't know what you're talking about - you're just stating a non-informed or (worse) MIS-informed opinion. You are repeasting talking points that you don't understand as well as you think you do. I'm sharing actual KNOWLEDGE. There's a HUGE difference.
Conversely I've never taken a sigle course, or even attended a seminar on Climatology. So I'll defer the the EXPERTS doing actual RESEARCH in the field. THEY KNOW and I DON'T. So I'll LISTEN to what they have to say. (And to hell with the paid corporate science-whores who publish psuedo-scientific junk in order to confuse everyone who lacks crtical thinking skills. They're even worse: THEY KNOW BETTER and just LIE to you ANYWAY!)
(And when I say "you" I don't necessarily mean you personally. I'm using a more hypothetical "you." I apolgize for any confusion or consternation that causes.)
As for his point (love them, and everything will work out), great, but, is it really such a stretch to consider applying that wisdom to all humans, not just one's immediate offspring?
And on a related note, given Savage's inability to love most of his fellow human beings, are you really buying that he loved his children well and that they turned into fine human beings? Perhaps despite their father's raging hatred, but not becauseof it.
Actually, Snoopy, I think it's even worse for Mr. Weiner. Doesn't he always crow about having earned a Ph.D. -- so much so that his callers adress him as "Doctor Savage"? So if he's as good an expert as any on this subject and he's got a PhD, wouldn't that make him a Ph.D. expert?
Darn, and this is what I miss because of High School Football on Friday nights...
But you know what? I'm as good as any, 'cause I have children
Wouldn't his statement make us all experts on food because we've all eaten food?
So the Savage Weiner is an expert?
When I seek out expertise on something, I look for people who don’t talk like this. I look for the presence of things like knowledge, pertinent experience, complex thought and non-judgmental demeanor. I don’t listen to someone who is paid to speak in vitriolic generalities, unending scorn, and indisposed prejudice.
So then,
^ bad medical advice?
My post was about my personal preference. I was not giving medical advice.
This book was originally written way before he turned bitter and decided his birth name was not macho enough to build a career on. It was later republished under his macho name.
Maybe he could help more people if diseases like Alzheimer's were more important to him than lining his pockets working for hate radio. I'd be interested in his writings if he wasn't a bitter, racist, sexist, ethnocentric, homophobic douche bag.
It was later republished under his macho name.
Correction that was his "comedy name". It was not mean to be macho but was peddled as a faux macho name.
Yes, it is actually, because Savage does not have a PhD in anything to do with, you know, medicine.
You would avoid Alzheimer's by listening to this jackass? You'd have to remember all the crap you heard.
I'll stick to sudoku.
Weiner is an expert on kids like Sarah Palin is an expert in Foreign Policy.
SAVAGE: I took my little baby with us. I mean, you know, it was like an infant.
It...? He calls his infant child "it"? Yea, Savage, you're just brimming over with love... ;>)
My first thought on reading this was revulsion at the idea of what I'll call "Savage's Love." The idea that he is capable of love is impossible to accept. At least a healthy love. I can definately envision him exercising a sick type of love at home - yelling at the top of his lungs at this little children, who cower terrified of their father; criticism of everything they do; being screamed at if they cry; seeing their mother subjected to daily verbal abuse by their father - oh yeah, that's the type of "love" I can see Savage dishing out at home.
Personal inner conflict on the radio. It sells, would you consider it a good job?
Does anyone wonder why MMFA spends so much time and effort reporting what this sick-o says? Savage is such a whack-job it is hard to imagine anyone taking him seriously. Is it because he attracts slime like himself by the millions? Are we giving him more attention than he deserves? Is he so "popular" we can't ignore him? Sad.
Scary as it seems, people DO take him seriously. (How is he really any worse than Rush, Bill-O, Insanity, Coulter or Liddy?) I've had more than one otherwise ostensibly intelligent person send me excerps from his broadcast as if to impart some nugget of wisdom to me. One even confessed to being a fan. I re-educated him a little after this psycho gave his opinion about autism, something that I hold very personal, and know infinitly more about, BTW - www.myspace.com/on_the_spectrum)
But some people, who only hear bits and pieces, or forgive the occasional (daily?) rant, DO take him seriously.
"Is he so 'popular' we can't ignore him?" -- luckily we've already spent at least a dozen years ignoring right-wing psychos, so we know for sure that it doesn't work. Time to try something else.
Savage is a moron. However, I am not sure why MMFA keeps showing his ugly face on their site. In all honesty, I never even heard of Savage until about a year ago when I read about him on this site. I worry that MMFA actually makes him more popular.
It doesn't. If someone unaware of Savage, comes to MMFA, reads his garbage and says "Wow. That guy makes a lot of sense." then that person is already in the Savage demographic. In other words, they have an IQ in the bottom quarter of the population. Those kind of folks don't come to MMFA.
you're so right...only the smart guys like yourself are in here. And again right again that 'everyone' who listens to Savage is a moron. The nation is half full of morons...or at least about 10-12million of them...your nextdoor neighbor...he's probably one of us morons too
If he listens to Savage, yes. You are spot on.
I worry that MMFA actually makes him more popular.
If everyone read about him here first, he would be less popular. I read his rantings here for months before I stumbled upon his show on the car radio while travelling. Even knowing what to expect, I found myself getting angry about everything in general. He sells and feeds on anger and hate.
Your last sentence about anger and hate and he feeds off of it...you obviously never listen and only believe what MMFA wants you to believe about Savage. I listen everyday and he is just the opposite of what you and MMFA describe. Being passionate about your beliefs is fine....I applaud anyone who takes a stance on something and actually lives it...but to say that anyone who doesn't share your same values and beliefs is "Angry" and "Full of Hate" is ridiculous.
Yes...Savage is on the edge....but someone has to stand up for True Conservative Values....and i'm not talking about no lame duck Fox News toeing the corporate line...we need someone out there who isn't politically correct and won't back down from his beliefs in the face of MMFA and others of that ilk
A truer statement has never been put to blog. Let's shout it from the bell towers: "Michael Savage is the embodiment of 'True Conservative Values'"
Amen.
Can I ask why Weiner is going on a tirade against Ph.D. children's experts? Where is he pulling all these attacks from anyway?
He seems to be mad at studies by these people that children raised by gays are no different than those raised by straights.
You must be kidding....yes people who have a mom and dad can be wackos and weird....but explain to me how having two moms or two dads is healthy for a child. Doesn't a man and a woman have different characteristics and virtues and abilities to influence their children in positve ways...a man and woman Create the Children...I think that alone proves why a child NEEDS his father and mother
This is an easy one. If they are loved and well taken care of. This can occur with a mom and a dad, or two moms or two dads, or one mom or one dad. Duh!
'cause I have children who are adults, and they're both wonderful people, and fine people
I think this statement is a seperate case of Conservative Misinformation, apart from his claim that he is an expert on children. Because his son, Russel Weiner, is a legal drug pusher - the founder of Rockstar Energy Drink, which has teens hooked by the tens of thousands. In fact, many doctors are calling for intervention of some kind to protect people from overdosing on these drinks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/health/3070623/Energy-drinks-should-carry-health-warnings.html"Last month, researchers in Australia found that a single can of the drink could raise the risk of a heart attack and stroke."
So yeah, every can of Rockstar sold helps the Savage cause. And if teens end up in the emergency room with an irregular heartbeat, what would the good Doctor Savage say to that? Do you hear him pontificating about kids overdosing on energy drinks? Didn't think so.
Hypocrite.
Does anybody know who the other kid is?
and video game makers should be brought up on charges because of their violent video games that will influence kids to kill...right? The Energy Drink isn't the problem...it is the Child, and Mainly Parents who don't Protect their children.....the energy drink in itself is not bad...it is the ABUSE of it.....but maybe i'm wrong and you are such the enlightened thinker who knows better...I'm open to that thought:)
Savage and his kid are hypocrites.
For the small percentage of people who listen to this clown and think he has anything to say I feel sorry for. I think we give him way to much credit by posting his rants on this site. I have yet to meet anyone who has even heard of this clown, let alone listen to him.
ME...I love Savage the Clown
You definitely are in that lower 25% segment of society when it comes to IQ.
Savage is certainly delusional. I remember about a week before the election he endorsed McCain. One day later, he proclaime that his endorsement was the sole cause of McCain getting a 2 point boost in the Daily Gallup Tracking Poll. This is how this guy thinks. He actually thinks he has all the answers and he matters. It's the same with all these talk radio guys. Their sense of self importance is eclipsed only by their known shortcomings, which in their mind don't exist or if they do exist they are a result of the people who are out to destroy them. Paranoid, delusional, and Narcissistic are three words to describe Savage and his ilk. Here are some more just for fun.......latent homsexual, drug addict, loofah pervert, sexual harraser, draft dodger, coward. Um...um.... anyone got anymore?
I got some more...how about Funny, a great story teller, a great political mind who thinks outside the box, stern, passionate......etc etc.. etc.
...a sociopath narcissist.
How about "idiot"?
I think I agree with you but, as is the case with most right wing radio "personalities," I'm not sure Wiener really believes anything. He says what a delusional audience wants to hear--my father in law would listen to him if he knew the idiot was on--thereby confirming their own delusions.
So, while I sometimes ponder bringing back the "fairness doctrine," something to which the right wing is adamantly opposed, I don't know if it would help. These lunatics are "entertainers." They don't have the credentials, the qualifications, the skill, or the intelligence to be anything else.
I'm not your friend. I have standards for my friends, and you don't meet them. I need my friends to be able to converse intelligently. However, if I do need a drinking buddy I'll give you a call.
First of all, you are exaggerating. There are legitimate lines of debate that reflect the conservative world view and philosophy. We'll still tell you are wrong but you will be assaulted by logic and reason. If you have a nutjobe viewpoint, then it will labelled accordingly. For instance, anyone espousing that Savage is a decent human being deserves to be derided until the cows come home.
If you don't like it, I'd suggest you hang out on hard-right Con sites like freerepublic.com. You'll find plenty of people that will go along with your lunacy there.