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Jonah Goldberg on auto bailout: "You can call it corporatism, you can call it socialism, you can call it fascism, what it is not is liberal democratic capitalism"

March 31, 2009 10:32 pm ET

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (March 31, 2009 10:45 pm ET)
         
      Well you can call me RAY; or you can call me JAY; or you can call me AL...but you doesn't hasta call me JOHNSON!"
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    • Author by Dem02020 (April 01, 2009 12:52 am ET)
         

      Nine times out of ten, when you hear someone use a word that has the suffix "-ism" at the end of it (such as "corporatism"), you're listening to someone who is pretending to be knowledgeable, as though they had insights into the Principles of whatever subject matter the "ism" word would come under (in the case of "corporatism", the subject matter is Economics I guess).

      And the pretense is as much worked on the person who uses those words (as they might actually think themselves to be saying something substantial), as on those who simply hear them.

      People who use "ism" words, and especially people who use those words repeatedly, are in truth just describing to you the vague and undefined nonsense that exists inside their head, which they take to be not only be some real and true impression of the world, but (oftentimes) something insightful, as though it were a Principle or fundamental truth.

      There are entire Academic careers built on this fraud, on this pretense, that exhibits itself in speeches cluttered with nonsense words all ending in the suffix "-ism".

      True.

      I'll give you an example, or illustration really, of real world people dealing with real world problems and real world soulutions, and see if you can appreciate what I'm talking about.

      Imagine for a moment you are not only visiting the Police Department, but specifically the Homicide Division or Bank Robbery Division (and of course only big city Police Departments have such special divisions).

      You sit down with the cops there, and you get to talking about the day's and week's and year's events (crimes of murder or bank robbery) and investigations and prosecutions.

      Now, do you think those cops, on the job and getting it done, talk about "murderism" or "robberyism"?

      Do they talk about "crimeism" or "victimism", or even "lawisms" or "copisms"?

      Do they ever say "evidenceism" or "witnesism" or "gunism" or "knifeism", or "Policeism" or "Courtism" or "Guiltyisms" or "Prisonisms"?

      They never talk like that! Ever!

      They cannot afford to waste their own time and the time of others, descending into strange words that describe only the dim and vague impressions of the world, that the intellectual fraud pretends to understand, when they prattle on in words that end in "-ism".

      Again, those words in truth are nothing but the description of the dim and undefined impressions that a person has of the world, when they use those words.

      Otherwise, those words never come up and have no application at all, in addressing the real problems of the world, or in solving them, or in even describing the real world, and anything in it.

       

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      • Author by Übermensch (April 01, 2009 9:51 am ET)
           
        Not that I condone fascism, or any ism for that matter. Isms in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon: "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus, but I'd still have to bum rides off of people.
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    • Author by ex-punk (April 01, 2009 1:39 am ET)
         
      Those beady eyes.   Looks just like Vladimir Ilyich Lenin before his hair fell out and he got his contact lens.   If it isn't liberal democratic capitalism, then it must be conservative compassion.  Give Jonah a butt kicking and send him back to his room. 
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    • Author by fawltylogic (April 01, 2009 2:40 am ET)
         
      Can I call it pragmatism?
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    • Author by wookie (April 01, 2009 6:11 am ET)
         
      It's always amusing to hear Republicans complain about corporations and government being in bed together. I geuss it's just a matter of who pulls the strings.
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    • Author by MissDee (April 01, 2009 7:11 am ET)
         

      Seems to me you people spent 8 years howling about  things like Haliburton and the  government playing hand in hand. Nice to know you've all adapted so well to doing what you used to rail against.

       

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      • Author by magnolialover (April 01, 2009 8:18 am ET)
           
        You don't see the difference here? I'm not surprised really.

        Let's see now. Cheney, sat on the board, and worked for Halliburton before he took the office of VP. And lo and behold, they received billions of tax payer dollars without anyone else getting to bid on what they were working for. Not to mention, Halliburton has really not done well spending our money on their little projects as recent OMB reports have stated, as in, we didn't get what we paid for. The circumstances are far different, and actually, the fact of the matter is also, is that I've heard plenty of democrats/liberals complain about the money being spent on the car companies, on the banks, on the financial institutions. You're just generalizing again for the sake of generalizing, and you don't really have any idea why these situations are NOT the same. Again I'm not surprised really.

        When did Obama or Biden sit on the board of directors of any major car manufacturer in the US? Oh, right, they didn't. They didn't work for them either, in other words, they had no ties to them.

        And why does Goldberg here only bring up the car companies? What about the trillions of dollars that we dumped into the banks, and financial institutions? How come he focuses, very narrowly, on only the car companies, as if they were the downfall of our economic status. Let me let you in on a little secret, they weren't. They've been in trouble for awhile now, and the compounding issues with the economic hard times we're in, made it worse for them.
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      • Author by mk3872 (April 01, 2009 10:11 am ET)
           
        Unfortunately we all knew cleaining up your boy's mess was going to be tough & long
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      • Author by harley (April 01, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
           

        Seems to me you people spent 8 years howling about  things like Haliburton and the  government playing hand in hand. Nice to know you've all adapted so well to doing what you used to rail against.

         

        How come the librul MSM didn't spend every waking moment calling dubyah's administration "fascism"?

         

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    • Author by tman418 (April 01, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
         
      Why are everyone's comments in Italics.
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