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Caller criticizes Limbaugh, Hannity, etal, on torture: "It's like you're all brainwashed"

April 07, 2009 4:24 pm ET

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LIMBAUGH: We're going to go to Chicago. This is Charles. Charles, thank you for waiting and for calling. Great to have you here. Hello.

CALLER: Thanks, Rush. Rush, listen, I voted Republican, and I didn't -- really didn't want to see Obama get in office. But, you know, Rush, you're one reason to blame for this election, for the Republicans losing.

First of all, you kept harping about voting for Hillary. The second big issue is the -- was the torture issue. I'm a veteran. We're not supposed to be torturing these people. This is not Nazi Germany, Red China, or North Korea. There's other ways of interrogating people, and you kept harping about it -- "It's OK," or "It's not really torture." And it was just more than waterboarding. Some of these prisoners were killed under torture.

And it just -- it was crazy for you to keep going on and on like Levin and Hannity and Hewitt. It's like you're all brainwashed.

And my last comment is, no matter what Obama does, you will still criticize him because I believe you're brainwashed. You're just -- and I hate to say it -- but I think you're a brainwashed Nazi. Anyone who could believe in torture just has got to be - there's got to be something wrong with them.

LIMBAUGH: You know --

CALLER: And I know Bush wanted to keep us safe and all of that, but we're not supposed to be torturing these people.

LIMBAUGH: Charles, if anybody is admitting that they're brainwashed it would be you.

CALLER: No, no, no, Rush. I don't think so.

LIMBAUGH: Charles. Charles, Charles --

CALLER: You, Hannity, Hewitt, and Levin are all brainwashed and you know it.

LIMBAUGH: -- you said -- you said at the beginning of your phone call --

CALLER: Yeah.

LIMBAUGH: -- that you didn't want Obama in there --

CALLER: That's right.

LIMBAUGH: -- but you voted for him because of me.

CALLER: I didn't vote for him. I voted for McCain. I voted Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Oh, so --

CALLER: I voted Republican.

LIMBAUGH: -- you're saying I turned people off to --

CALLER: You turned people off with all your -- all this "vote for Hillary" and all this BS, because you must think people are really stupid.

LIMBAUGH: That was Operation Chaos. That was to keep the --

CALLER: You -- no. It didn't work.

LIMBAUGH: -- chaos in the [unintelligible] of the Democrat primaries.

CALLER: It didn't work. And now what we have with you Hannity, Levin, and Hewitt: sour grapes. That's all we have. And believe me, I'm not -- I'm more to the right than I am to the left.

LIMBAUGH: Oh, of course, you are.

CALLER: I am, and that's --

LIMBAUGH: Of course, you are. You wouldn't be calling here with all these sour grapes if you weren't.

CALLER: Well, I'm so tired of listening to you --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, of course, you are.

CALLER: -- go on and on with this -- you've been brainwashed.

LIMBAUGH: I don't know of anybody who died from torture. I do not ever --

CALLER: We are not supposed to torture people.

LIMBAUGH: I do not ever --

CALLER: Do you remember World War II, the Nazis? The Nuremberg Trials?

LIMBAUGH: I --

CALLER: Do you remember the Nuremberg Trials?

LIMBAUGH: Charles --

CALLER: Klaus Barbie?

LIMBAUGH: Charles, let me say --

CALLER: Huh?

LIMBAUGH: Barack Obama --

CALLER: What's the matter with you?

LIMBAUGH: Barack --

CALLER: You never even served in a military.

LIMBAUGH: Barack Obama is --

CALLER: I served in the Marine Corps and the Army.

LIMBAUGH: Charles, Barack Obama is president of the United States today because of stupid, ignorant people who think like you do. You pose -- you and your ignorance are the most expensive commodity this country has. You think you know everything. You don't know diddly-squat.

You call me a Nazi? You call me somebody who supports torture and you want credibility on this program? You know, you're just plain embarrassing and ludicrous. But it doesn't surprise me that you're the kind of Republican that our last candidate attracted. Because you're no Republican at all based on what the hell you've said here.

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    • Author by magnolialover (April 07, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
         
      So this guy is NOT a republican because he doesn't want the US to torture people? OK Rush. Once again, proving to the world, you're an idiot.
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (April 07, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
         

      Ol'Fathead is getting pounded from all directions...

      I'm thinking that this caller will probably not be given another opportunity to speak on Ol'Fathead's show.

       

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    • Author by shaggles (April 07, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
         

      This caller proves 2 things:

      1) Not all Republicans are pro-torture morons.

      2) Rush can dish it out but he can't take it.

      Good for him.

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    • Author by seeryer (April 07, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
         

      He is not a "real" veteran.  He is not a "real" Republican.  However, he REALLY beat up on Rush.  Rush has never heard of us killing a prisoner from torture.  From March 2005 AP:

      At least 108 people have died in American custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, most of them violently, according to government data provided to The Associated Press. Roughly a quarter of those deaths have been investigated as possible abuse by U.S. personnel.

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      • Author by fawltylogic (April 07, 2009 6:35 pm ET)
           
        LIMBAUGH: I don't know of anybody who died from torture.

        Rush, that's just because you're lazy and incurious. If you had actually read the reports about our detention and interrogation sites, you WOULD know of dozens of people who have died.

        But that would be inconvenient, so you choose to remain blissfully ignorant, and pretend that torture is not only effective, but morally right. It isn't, and it isn't.

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        • Author by barscotch9441 (April 07, 2009 7:44 pm ET)
             
          Rush is not incurious.  Incurious would mean he doesn't give a crap one way or the other.  Rush is a mouthpiece.  By design he will actively avoid anything like stats that show prisoners of war may have died under torture by our forces.  Why this is, I don't know.  But one thing I do know:  Charles from Chicago is wrong...Rush is not brainwashed.  Rush is the would-be brainwasher.  The problem is, he's a gold-star idiot who can't win an argument without cutting his opponents' microphone feeds and proves to the world that those with no defensibility of position seek to silence their opposition, rather than out-reason them.
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    • Author by fawltylogic (April 07, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
         
      But it doesn't surprise me that you're the kind of Republican that our last candidate attracted

      It doesn't surprise me either. Before the shameful latter part of McCain's campaign, even I had some respect for the man. Then he decided that he had to become a Real Republican to get the Rush-listeners votes, and got Palin on board, and the rest is history.

      Rush, you're right about one thing - you are what real Republicans are like these days. Let's not forget that.

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    • Author by steeve (April 07, 2009 7:01 pm ET)
         
      Hilarious.

      "You call me a Nazi?" Um, no.

      "You're the kind of Republican that our last candidate attracted" Um, no.

      Rush lost round zero of a debate with a random stranger.
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      • Author by steeve (April 07, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
           
        Oh, and much thanks to MMFA for putting the text in the article. I simply can't click on right-wing sound. It's poisonous.
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      • Author by universaladdress (April 07, 2009 7:32 pm ET)
           
        To be fair, he did call Rush a Nazi. And I don't think Rush is a Nazi, but it's probably a lot more threatening to have a racist and a pro-torture advocate next to you at the political table than all the way at the other end. So I chalk it up to a good emerging counter-trend on the right, with gutsy people like our caller ready to defend an honorable opposition from its honorless guard.
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        • Author by steeve (April 07, 2009 11:53 pm ET)
             
          Sorry, I saw "This is not Nazi Germany, Red China, or North Korea", not "I think you're a brainwashed Nazi".

          And reading it again, the caller was way off base. Brainwashed people don't lie. Rush is a water-carrier.

          "you're no Republican at all based on what the hell you've said here" -- Rush apparently thinks that interrogation techniques were near the top of Reagan and Gingrich's platform. Like terrorism itself, it wasn't even the tiniest dot on the radar until the opportunity came to exploit it.
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    • Author by universaladdress (April 07, 2009 7:29 pm ET)
         
      Wow, he totally lost it.
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    • Author by ZachGates (April 07, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
         

      So... unless I'm mistaken, Rush just called the Marine Corps veteran stupid and brainwashed.

      Awesome.

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      • Author by MangyDog (April 07, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
           
        I'm surprised he didn't call him a "phony soldier."
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      • Author by Handsome Pete (April 08, 2009 8:54 am ET)
           
        Impossible.  If Rush doesn't believe he's a soldier, he's obviously not.  Right?
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    • Author by harley (April 07, 2009 7:50 pm ET)
         
      LIMBAUGH: , Barack Obama is president of the United States today because of stupid, ignorant people who think like you do. You pose -- you and your ignorance are the most expensive commodity this country has.
      Limbaugh insults 68 Million Americans.   Typical elitist reich-winger.
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    • Author by renato (April 07, 2009 9:37 pm ET)
         
      Because you're no Republican at all based on what the hell you've said here.


      Nice to hear El Rushbo finally say out loud what the rest of us have been saying for a long, long time: Rush Limbaugh determines who is a 'true' Republican.

      And that is determined by how much you agree with whatever Rush Limbaugh says. It has nothing to do with your official party registration or for whom you voted in the last election or your voting habits over a lifetime.

      Disagree with Rush, and you're not a Republican.

      Enjoy that small and ever-shrinking tent, GOP'ers. We Democrats will be happy to have the votes of all those politically incorrect Republicans.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (April 07, 2009 9:41 pm ET)
         

      Caller:  You served your country because you love it, and you know what we are about.

      My best regards for your courage and service - Love from a Marine Mom.

       

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    • Author by lookoutoftheyard2251 (April 08, 2009 12:08 am ET)
         

      I believe during the [unintelligible] part, Rush was saying this: "That was to keep the chaos in--that was in the Democrat Primary!"  I can't be too sure; it's pretty hard to make out, and Rush was stumbling over his words pretty badly.  But, as far as I can tell, that's the unintelligible bit.

      I love that Rush can't seem to understand that there are Republicans that disagree with him.  That's my favorite part of this whole clip.  People disagree with him because they're all brainwashed and stupid, not because he's a polarizing fear-monger, oh, no!  And then he cuts off the guy to chastise him,  and the whole "I voted for McCain" goes right over his head as he insults a proud veteran and calls him a fake Republican.

      Wow.  The Republican Party, and the conservative movement in general, rests in the hands of a thin-skinned moron.

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    • Author by Romario (April 08, 2009 12:48 am ET)
         
      Damn...Rush got bitchslapped, and of course...couldn't handle the caller and cut him off...LMAO.
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    • Author by Heatshield (April 08, 2009 12:54 am ET)
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      That caller was a plant. They're the ones who start off by saying "I'm a Republican and a veteran" and then rip everything Rush says. Sorry, wiseguy, but water in the nose isn't torture.
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      • Author by brantl (April 08, 2009 7:45 am ET)
           
        Sorry, pinhead, not allowing air into someone's lungs is suffocation, amounting to torture. You are an idiot. Period. And, beyond that people have died from US torture in both Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Read a paper, idiot. And we saw to it that at least one Japanese got 10 years for waterboarding.
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      • Author by MrBrown (April 08, 2009 8:48 am ET)
           
        You're a plant.  I guess you condone Rush calling a marine an idiot, good going patriot...>_>
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      • Author by harley (April 08, 2009 8:51 am ET)
           
         Sorry, wiseguy, but water in the nose isn't torture.
         
        So, you're saying the US improperly sentenced the Japanese following WWII for using water boarding on US troops. 
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      • Author by Handsome Pete (April 08, 2009 8:52 am ET)
           

        Way to minimize torture.  Submit yourself for waterboarding, I'll ask the questions and decide when it's over, then we'll talk about "water in the nose".

        You'll be wetting the pink panties you will tell me you wear to feel pretty in 5 minutes, tough guy.

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      • Author by LuvLuLu (April 08, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
           

        I'll grant you that it's possible that this call was not being honest about who he is if you'll grant me the possibility that he is exactly who he says he is.

        There are many Republicans who are disgusted by our nation torturing people. There are many on the right who hated to lose our civil liberties in a wasted attempt to protect us from terrorists - the cost was not worth the protection provided.

        And waterboarding is undeniably torture. Undeniable, that is, to anyone lviing in the real world.

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    • Author by cowboyneok (April 08, 2009 1:08 am ET)
         
      As a fellow veteran, I'm proud the Republican marine called Rush out for his being a fat-a$$ed draft dodger.  Well, I guess not serving, because you have an "anal cyst," might be an excuse, but FATSO needs to keep his mouth shut when it comes to criticizing veterans because HE ISN'T ONE, and NEVER WILL BE.  Rush Limbaugh knows nothing, although he makes a perfect leader for the Republican Party.
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      • Author by walstib (April 08, 2009 8:03 am ET)
           

        I know it's pound on fattie time right now but I can't let this pass...

         

        Not being a Vet precludes NO ONE from criticizing the military or veterans.

         

        You may not like it but that's just tough sh!t.

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        • Author by harley (April 08, 2009 8:53 am ET)
             

           

          The "rules"  regarding criticizing our troops really have changed now that we have a Democratic majority.  

           

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    • Author by bobkubit (April 08, 2009 2:09 am ET)
         

      Hey Heatshield - Open the good eye. People died. Dozens of them from torture.

      Ever hear of Google? Then use it. Look up the names of the Japanese that were put to death for using waterboarding on Americans during WW2. Americans do not torture nor tolerate those that do.

      I'm an Army vet and used to be a self described independent. Never again. I am now a leftie who believes the tree of America has been bent way too far to the right. Time to bend it hard left.

       

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    • Author by wllmreece7179 (April 08, 2009 5:07 am ET)
         
      Uh-oh Mr. Snerdly Limbergers call screener is in deep do do for letting that one get by.  As usual if you are right or you disagree he will cut you and then insult you when you can not talk back.  Of course the caller was right.  Limbaugh invents statistics and facts to suit his own agenda.  Yesterday in his first hour segment. He said that if it was not for america europe would not be there.  Duh, how old is our country andhowlong has europe been around.  Rush is the Republican Party propaganda minister.  Think Hitler's Goerring.
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    • Author by opopop (April 08, 2009 6:37 am ET)
         

      Hmm, Rush diidn't like being called a nazi, its understandable who does like being referred to Nazis, so then he cut the caller off and responded back with insults, calling him stupid and ignorant.

       O.k so why couldn't Obama think that the continous, stupid and ignorant comments spoken by Rush aren'y nice, after all Rush has used nazi references, among others when talking about Obama, couldn't Obama decide to shut down, censor, or monitor Rush's show?

      Well no, thats not really the right thing to do is it?, I mean censorship, public figures have to deal with criticism, its a fact and a small downside to being in the public eye and earning good money.

      I'd imagine Rush's audience do really need mental help, or else he's is listened to because he's controversial, hell, MM has a whole segment on him daily, he's a character, and a great one, but NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, relevant to any issue in America.

      Actually I feel a bit sorry for Republicans and their ideology, because those that are intellectual, and can reason why liberals aren't doing something right, are being drownded out by Rush, Hannity, Coulter and Beck, and their ideologies and principles are being overshadowed by hyperactive personalities, even when Republicans could still probably help the country.

      Wheres the party's leaders? The brains of the group?

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    • Author by renardot (April 08, 2009 9:00 am ET)
         
      Wow, Rush is way out there in left field.  Ok not even in the parking lot.  I am a veteran, 26 years of service to my country and what Rush did was the dumbest thing I have heard.  He and Hannity and the rest of the blow hards just dont get it.  This is why the Republican party is in such a bad way.  And for the person that sais water boarding is not torture, let one of your friends that think like you do experiment with you and see how it feels then get back on and say it is not torture.  America is about leading, having moral values not just stupid Rush and Hannity or Orielly and Beck's comments
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    • Author by Cannonball (April 08, 2009 9:36 am ET)
         

      Many in my family have served in the Air Force, Navy and Army, and each has turned against the Republican party on the torture issue (among other issues). 

      This Marine is a great reminder of the true honor and courage of our service men and women.  It would be easy to pull out all the stops when you read about so many soldiers being maimed and killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.  But we are Americans and we draw a hard line on human rights and honor. 

      Yes, we have allowed ourselves many times to be led astray from our core values, and this has been one such time.  But we have always fought our way back.  Let's keep to the path and not be distracted by extremist points of view, like Limbaugh, and other fake Americans.  They only care about political power, not about American values and standards. 

      These fakes applied Rovian philosophy to running the country on a purely political purpose to gain and hold power.  This is the definition of fascism (beligerent nationalism and dictatorship) that has been the ruination of many great societies.  It won't be our downfall.  We can and shall overcome this, too.

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    • Author by renato (April 08, 2009 11:46 am ET)
         
      It's really remarkable that Rush got completely owned on his own show. I used to listen to a lot of talk radio (out of curiousity, I have never been a rightard nor a Rethuglican) and the fact is that talk radio hosts never fight fair. The thinking is, it's their show and they can do what they want, including talking over callers, throwing up strawmen, and generally being a verbal bully.

      Apparently this caller threw Rush for a loop and even with his years of experience in broadcasting, he had no good comeback for this caller and couldn't even engage in the usual talking-over-the-caller or cutting them off shenanigans which makes a talk show such hostile territory to non-sycophantic callers.

      Maybe Rushbo didn't get his supply of hillbilly heroin this week and he's not at 100%.
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    • Author by barscotch9441 (April 08, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
         
      Or maybe he got too much.
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    • Author by garmarn1080 (April 08, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
         

      An earlier poster complained that the Marine was a "plant". The poster  is clearly a brainwashed dittohead. The poster must(?) know that the only way to get past Rush's (nearly impenetrable) screening is to verbally pledge allegiance to the Republican homeland and the fat, drug-addled butt on which it sits.

      But the caller knew what he was doing. He made his point forcefully and quickly and he really didn't give El Rushbo an opportunity to interrupt until he was finished. The he dominated  in the expected  Limbaugh interruption campaign.

      If the audio provided is complete,it's clear Rushiepoo hung up on the caller before he (ElRushbo) attacked him with his ignorant rant. 

      The Marine was no plant. He was one of the few who get past the snerdlies. One of the few callers to that program who has a brain.  He was telling truth to Limpbungler's  "power" in the Republican Party.

      Charles from Chicago made it through the lines, and he did a job on the Republican Blimp.Bless'im.

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    • Author by drgronemeyer3060 (April 08, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
         
      Ha, ha,ha! Good one. Rush is a pathetic excuse for a human being. He may have dropped the caller but Charles won. By the way, only corporatists consider people commodities. We should be very grateful however in the fact that Rush has failed to reproduce and there will be no future Rush, Jr.  We weren't as lucky with the Bush familty.
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    • Author by jrstas (April 09, 2009 12:01 am ET)
         
      I have listened to this and read the transcript. I cannot come up with a word or phrase to describe Rush.

      "LIMBAUGH: I don't know of anybody who died from torture."

      There is no brain to wash.

      jrstas
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    • Author by gzurbay9479 (April 09, 2009 4:40 am ET)
         
      Calling Rush a nazi, if you are tacitly referring to his repeating the lie until it becomes truth, is exactly what Joe Goebbels claimed as the operative propaganda of nazi Germany. If you want to take a wild guess as to the question, brainwashed or laundromat owner, who pays Rush 400 Million to be oddly inaccurate, and consistently on the side of the looney right? Yes, Rush may be the ultimate patriot, but evidence is a bit thin. How about some truth ? Since he never wore any uniform other than the banker suit, let him disclose his charitable donations to veterans and or their organizations that show up on his tax forms. Too damn many let Rush get away with it, but as Charles shows us, there is no "there" there. The nazis believed in what they were doing, they wanted to own everybody. After 8 years of criminal incompetence all the right has to offer is the hope the new guy will fail.
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    • Author by LisaLV711 (April 09, 2009 5:05 am ET)
         
      I'd be willing to bet a fat man that Scarborough won't be so quick to run THIS audio! Oh, he could run the one of Michael Steele groveling back to Rush and the other fellow (pardon me, I just drew a blank) but I'm willing to put it ALL on the line that he doesn't run this one! And if he does, he won't be laughing through it like he did when he ran the visual and the audio of the other two.

      But for real though. What on EARTH made the Republicans believe they were ever even a little competitive in the presidential election this year? They started off with a half dozen in the egg carton, then after the primaries, they were down to John McCain. But wait, there's more! He and Big Rush picked (drum roll, please) Sarah Palin! Sarah Palin? The fool that waves at Putin when he "rears" his head as he flies through Alaska airspace! OMG! And these guys are criticizing what and who? Are they so devoid of the truth that they simple can't recognize it anymore? My goodness. The only possible office any of these idiots run for in 2012 is the hills! They simply aren't ready.
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    • Author by johnwiz2 (April 09, 2009 8:16 am ET)
         
      Good for this caller (Charles) for calling out Rush. Rush has hijacked the GOP and nobody has the balz to slap him around. If more people like Charles would tie up Rush's call in lines maybe just maybe for once he would shut up!!!
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    • Author by justjan5349 (April 09, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
         

      Rush Limbaugh is without a doubt the ugliest kind of human on earth.  He is a hate monger who enjoys spreading nasty rumors, hate comments and stirs up fear to those who will listen to him.  I am a 7 year veteran and I work for many causes in my community.  I know so many people that spend their days doing good for the earth.  Rush does nothing but self promote his inner ugliness and hatred to those who will actually pay to hear it.  He is disgusting. Thank God that most of America is so much better than that, and that he ranks among the lowest.  It wouldnt surprise me if he slithered in and out of his radio station each day.

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    • Author by chipinvegas (April 09, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
         
      WE CANT STAND RUSH LIMBAUGH.  HE IS A PILL POPPING IDIOT. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN JAIL FOR ALL THE THINGS HE HAS DONE.  THE REPUBLICANS SHOULD GET HIM OFF THE RADIO BECAUSE HE DOES NOTHING BUT CAUSE PEOPLE TO TURN DEMOCRATIC.  WE ARE PROUD OF OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT AND WE WISH HIM SUCCESS.  HE HAS ALOT OF PROBLEMS TO GET THRU THAT WERE CAUSED BY THE LAST IDIOT PRESIDENT BUT I THINK HE AND THE MILLIONS OF AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM                  JOELENE AND LACE SMITH
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    • Author by mamaw8653678 (April 10, 2009 12:00 am ET)
         
      Charles, man what planet do you live on? I am a Veteran and I am female. And don't tell Rush but I am an Independant. Rush I had no idea that you controlled so many Republican voters and that you are the reason they lost. I did not see you at the vote counts. Anyway this Charles talks about Brainwashed and keeps saying he was  a Marine, well the most common used phrase among the military was "Those Brain Washed Marines". Nuff said on that, cause Charles seems to be the poster child for this. He is entitled to his opinion and perhaps he cannot torture someone and he obviously doesn't believe in it but to insult other people and call them Nazis is a bit much. Well let me give him more to go on about. If you will give me a good cattle prod I'd torture the heck out of the enemy! I have absolutely no problem with it. the safety of my country and my family depends on information obtained from enemy prisoners I would have no problem torturing them. Now define torture. I have no problem torturing people that behead soldiers, men, women and children, rape nuns and I could go on and on. But you say we should rise above that not stoop to their level. These type of people are counting on that philosophy, they laugh at it, I have been there. Only we are supposed to be 'civilized'. it is time we did the 'eye for an eye' thing instead of our President going overseas an apologize on behalf of we Americans. He must be related to the Dixie Chicks, wonder if he can sing country? I don't get you .How can you compare Germany concentration camps to now or what we do? Most foreign "lawbreakers" hope to serve time in American jails or prison camps. We are civilized, we provide cable and food, more than they have had in long time, medical care they probably have never had. In foreign prisons your lucky to even eat and not beaten everyday. I would prefer to obtain information vital to our nations security by other means than torture but if it becomes necessary then by all means. Not giving a permit to act like the foreign prisons and beat people for nothing but if the 'keepers' are certain of what they trying to get then go for it. Like I said I would do it without second thought. And some of what caused the Republicans to 'loose' as you put it was a lot of stupid people saying "Aren't you going to be part of history and vote for the first Black President?" Well heck no for a couple of reasons. First off he came on the scene a little to fast, with a lot of hidden things but he is a good convincer, manipulator, orator. The second being is that I would not be a part of history if I voted for him for the reason he is NOT our first Black president. In the UNited States the law states that any child born is legally the race of their birth mother and that will be listed on their birth certificate. So Obama is legally not Black race he is White race with a tan. That really is the law. So another question would be, Who is the real racist? Everyone who is calling him Black, Afro American because his skin color but legally he is white so all those people saying that are the real racist, they judging him only by his skin color.  But he is the guilty one trying to fool people just to get the black vote. I have several 'Black' friends that didn't fall for that and knew that he is full of bull and did not represent their race and they were to smart to vote based soley on race. That is like I should have voted for Hillary Clinton just becaue I am a woman and so is she, forget it! Lets face it our choices for Presidential nominees every election is getting worse and worse, we simply are not getting much to choose from. By the way Charles you referred to Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and Hewitt as "sour grapes" a lesson here is that the most sour grapes makes the sweetest wines. I am like RUsh I have never heard of any of 'our' prisoners being killed can you name some. I think the guards of the prison in Iraq that were tried and convicted I believe they should have been given medals and the guy that took the pictures and smuggled them out and prospered from them should have been tried for treason. Imagine stripping these guys and taking pictures naked..sheesh people in Hollywood pay to have this done to them, guess it is a matter of perspective. What a terrible torture. ANd we have people here taking children off the street and killing them, seems there is more to worry about than some water and a few pictures.
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    • Author by worrell84571 (April 10, 2009 11:15 am ET)
         
      So MAMAW8653678-

      It is now convienent to spout what legally constitutes a black or white man. I wonder if Obama's mom was black and father white, and he (Obama) looked every bit a White man, would you make an issue of he being Black. I am sure you would consider him to be white.

      By the way I am sure before Obama's arrival you considered all mixed raced people with Black or white parents irrespective of their hue to be black.

      Now I agree that sometimes one needs to get the truth by whatever means neccessary, so on some points I am at odds with obama on that, but its either you are for torture or not.

      You may be a veteran, but when it comes to the white/Black thing I think you are being hypocritical.
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