Beck imitates Obama pouring gasoline on "average American"; says: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the Republic"
(He "promise[s]" it's actually water.)
From The April 9 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: And President Obama apparently feels like, boy, I'm pretty much done, not a lot more to do, you know? We got all those things done. You know what? Why don't I work on immigration reform?
Later this year, he hopes to create a path for the estimated 12 million illegal aliens here in America to become legal. But yet, we haven't fixed the border and shut the water off. What a sweet, sensitive guy he really is.
Here is the one thing I think the media is missing. I don't know about you, but when I saw that story last night, I did this -- you got to be kidding me! I mean, let me -- let me just ask you a question. Maybe I'm alone, but I think it would be just faster if they just shot me in the head. You know what I mean? How much more can -- how much more can he disenfranchise all of us?
We have Bill Schulz here. He's from Red Eye. And I'm just going to demonstrate at least how I feel, all right?
I feel -- when I read this story last night -- I don't know about you. Let's say Bill is the average American here and I'm President Obama. This is the way I feel. I feel like President Obama is just saying, you know what, I've got the $3.5 trillion budget that we're doing. You know, is it cold? Yes.
You know -- where the only fat they cut out is national defense. We have growing Social Security. We have Medicare, Medicaid obligations, right? Let me get some over here. And that puts us on the hook now for about $53 trillion.
Now, the worst is that we are buried under $1.25 quadrillion dollars in debt. Overseas -- Obama is apologizing to the Frenchy French for our arrogance. You know, he's bowing to the Saudi Arabian king. I don't know if you saw that one, OK?
Oh, I almost forgot. He's also closing Gitmo and letting the terrorists onto the streets.
And on the island of Cuba, the Congressional Black Caucus met with Fidel Castro to try to fix the U.S.-Cuban relations -- something that would give their tourism industry a billion dollar boost. It's no wonder that Illinois Democrat Bobby Rush said -- the meeting, he said, quote, "It was almost like listening to an old friend." They gazed into each other's eyes. It's been fantastic.
By the way, under Castro, 93 percent of Cuban labor force works for the state. Sound familiar? Average worker -- making a whopping $9 a month there in Cuba. He's fantastic. We should buddy with him. What would it be like to work for $9 a month? Oh, we may all find out soon.
And also, according to the U.N., seven abortions for every 10 babies born in Cuba. Sure, sounds like a vacation in Disneyland to me.
But now, last night, I get there and I see, I get on the website, and I see that Obama wants to legalize the illegal aliens, you know, when unemployment is 8.5 percent and underemployment rate is 15.6 percent. You know, you're having a hard time finding a job, you know, without having to be forced -- do you have any matches -- forced to complete, you know, compete with a whole new crop of workers.
So what does Obama do, he says, boy, I'm not -- I'm just out of stuff to do. What else could I possibly do to the American people?
President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? For the love of Pete, what are you doing? Do you not hear -- do you not hear the cries of people who are saying stop? We would like some sanity in our country for a second!
We didn't vote to lose the republic. We didn't vote for any of this stuff. We voted for change.
You know what that change was? The change we wanted was an end to the games! We wanted the games to be ended.
We want people to say what they mean and mean what they say. We want people just to be honest. We want the parties to actually stand for something.
We want the spending that is out of control -- you're building bridges that lead to nowhere. You're spending money that leads only to slavery! We just want some common sense. That's all we want.
We can disagree with each other on policies, but Good Lord Almighty, man, please. Some of us don't agree with all of the policies. We'd like to have a country left in the end of four years. No need to set us on fire.
SCHULZ: I thought I was here to talk about Sex in the City.
BECK: OK. Now, we have -- we have Rick Perry with us. He is the governor of Texas
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BECK: By the way, I just want -- I just want to show you, kids, water, not gasoline. I was -- I was actually told by our legal department, "Glenn, you can't just do that, you've got to" -- I said, yeah, this is why our country is so screwed up if I got to actually say, that wasn't really gasoline, kids. Don't do that at home, that would be really, really bad.
But since we're here -- you know, I'm a fan of 24, I think I've seen that scene on 24. If we're going to do 24" we might as well go all the way.
Here, watch this.
BECK [video clip]: Hi. I'm Glenn Beck. And on today's show, we talked a lot about setting people on fire, but the real heat that we have to be worried about is global warming. Global warming is the reason it snowed yesterday in New York City, and it won't stop until all of that warming buries us under 3 million feet of ice. To get involved in your community, in the fight against global warming, get into your private jet and fly around the world and give some slide shows. Thank you -- from all of us on The Glenn Beck Program.
BECK: Am I the only one that -- those darn things make me crazy?
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Glenn "Charles Manson" Beck, you are a complete and utter idiot you fringe lunatic.
I agree. Beck should not be allowed on television. Murdoch should be ashamed of himself for permiting a madman on his network.
My question for Mr. Beck is why live in a country where you think the boogeyman is coming to get you.
LEAVE.
Murdoch is not invested in the safety of this country. If anything pops off here he can go back to his sweet digs in Australia.
When are patriots going to fight these people and how will we do it?
Their goal is to oust a democratically elected government. They don't care about this country or our freedoms, and if we are silent and submissive, we have no one else to blame that in the midst of this economic crisis we face a coup d'etat.
They feel they have nothing to lose, and are willing to tear this country apart to own it.
He really is a clown. Glenn needs to start drinking again.
Can I ask from people here to agree or disagree with this view I have.
I've been looking some of these shows up and have come to this conclusion, FYI, I'm from Ireland, hence I've only recently looked at these people.
Beck is clinically, full blown insane, and what he says on T.V is very very irresponsible, especially as he is on a station that has the word NEWS in its name.
Coulter is bitter and bouncing off the walls mad
Limbaugh is an angry, bitter selfish little fat man.
Hannity is a republican who is a bit of a wimp, kinda like Limbaugh but more of a sissy about it.
O Reilly, although probably just as bad, because of recent stuff by the previous names, Bill comes across as more fair and honest to God likeable compared to them, maybe just as biased and confrontational, but less insane.
Please let me know your thoughts on what I've determined they all are, as I mentioned I'm Irish so I presume that any of ye would have more knowledge of these people, thanks
Fox news is where its at, liberals will never say they are better than msnbc or cnn, cause those shows are pushed by liberals. In fact how many liberal networks have covered the tea party on april 15th? How many liberal networks covered the anti-war protests that didn't have 20 people attend?
You liberals all heard of black liberation theology during rev. wright and obama scandal right? Did you know that theology is tied to marxism?
And these tea parties are great, its our american right, people are afraid of this government? I do not ever remember being afraid during clinton or the bush years. Do you? And for liberals on msnbc to say this is the worst crisis since the great depression only have to look to who obama imitates in jimmy carter to see that is a lie, inflation was high at 12%, and unemployment was at 11%.
Also the money that is being printed is going to cause insane inflation, and pray to god not hyperinflation.
Your obsession with MSNBC and tireless defense of Faux is proof that reich-wingers are unstable group of whiners. You do realize you are tirelessly defending a cable channel network....don't you? Are you really that pathetic?
OUR OBSESSION WITH MSNBC????? YOU PEOPLE HAVE A WHOLE WEBSITE AND ORGANIZATION TO ANALYZE AND DISSECT EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF THE ONLY STATION GEARED TOWARD US!
and quit bring COMMENTATORS into the NEWS arena. ok!? they share their OPINIONS about the news happening. the can promote or disregard any piece of said news they'd like to, because it's THEIR SHOW.
i loathe olberman but i don't give a crap what he says because it's HIS SHOW. he can say whatever he pleases but it apparently doesn't please many other people as shown by his ratings.
so don't say WE obsess. you people obsess. i come here because it's free and so ridiculously off base and hysterical that it's kinda funny....when it doesn't make me want to cry....
Yes, this thread is about Faux and Glenn Beck and their radical views. This thread is NOT about MSNBC. No one here is defending MSNBC and no one is bringing up MSNBC except you obsessed subhuman radical extremist reich-wingers. Is this too difficult for you to understand?
Earth to the inebriated one:
No "librul" news networks covered the teabagging on the 15th . . . BECAUSE TODAY IS THE 10th - IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
This is the difference between an actual news network and a fake one [i.e., Fox]: actual news networks cover events WHEN THEY OCCUR, not PROMOTE them BEFOREHAND.
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And how scary is it that this group makes O'Reilly seem reasonable?
I hope for the world's sake that the old adage is true "only in America".
It's true. Many tune into Beck, for example, to see what kind of nutty comments and or stunts he's going to pull, and he rarely disappoints. Same can be said of Limbaugh. Their audience fully expects them to serve up raw red meat on a daily basis and they make a good living doing that. As long as that's the case, they won't change. Beck, however, has the voices in his head psycho thing going as well, i.e., "Believe in something even if it's wrong."
Hey, who wouldn't want to watch someone have a complete meltdown, live, on television. Where's the popcorn?
Letting guests give their opinion is the point, its not all about the host as with liberals. Thats why O'Reilly is #1 he lets others express their views whether he likes it or not, and if he does not agree he chimes in with his point of view, that is fair and balanced.
If you do not want to be informed keep watching olbermann play clips of what bush did, wow thats a good idea, thats real news in liberals minds. Or watch him berate sarah palin about her daughter, knowing damn well fox has not even touched bidens daughter snorting blow other than mentioning it. And matter of fact if biden was a republican he would still be hearing about his daughter, there is a double standard in the media amongst liberal networks, thats another reason fox is #1.
And liberals dont get mad when people dont agree with your view, liberals are mean, and condescending when people oppose their view, how about grow up.
I just have to respond because you're wrong. I've watched O'Reilly and he does invite opposing viewpoints on but then he shouts over them. There is no respectful discussion. Watch Bill Maher's show and you'll see respectful discussion - from both sides of the issues. You may not like his style but O'Reilly is just wretched in comparison.
You can't see the forest for the trees.
sounds pretty accurate to me!!
O'Reilly only seems better at first, the more you listen to him, the worse he is: pompous, arrogant, self righteous
love hearing point of view from someone from another country..esp Ireland!
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A quick way to think of it is, Sean Hannity is the dumb Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck is the retarded Sean Hannity.
I truly believe Limbaugh and Hannity believe the BS they're peddling (but I'm sure they know when to button their lips on certain views). With Beck and Coulter, I really wonder how much of their schticks are an act. It wouldn't shock me if it were 10% and it wouldn't shock me if it were 95%. That's how truly ridiculous those two are.
Wow, calling people names, you really know what you are talking about. Have you ever listened to limbaugh? More than an hour? If not try it out, open your mind. Close minded people such as yourself need to listen and enlighten yourself to someone as genius as RUSH.
Its funny how liberals condemn people when they have not listened, its childish, grow up once again.
I've listened and I can honestly say, he has nothing to offer but hate and obstrucionism. And you want to talk about name-calling? Geez.
The question is: Have you ever really listened to Rush?
Yes, we have actually listened to Rush and to O'Reilly and to Beck.
Have you really listened to them and fact-checked them on the nonsesnse they spew? I bet not. We have.
Actually, I am well educated, and so I know about most all of the bad and good about all the main conservative-leaning reporters and commentators.
So do many of us, and so the claim that we don't know enough about Rush or O'Reilly or Beck to draw informed conclusions is a bogus charge.
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Come on my fellow Rpeub countrypersons. Tea bags....
Look you want coverage on the"MSM", follow the lead of the monks in VietNam...Better yet, do it live on Becks' show. He'll even supply the gas and the matches...Imagine his ratings! Many others will support your cause. I promise to watch. Even though Fox will probably charge 59.99.
Show what a true Ameircan you are....Douse yourself for the Rich. I look forward to your responses. Burn, Baby, Burn.
This is the Prince and I do approve this post.
So, we are protesting what we believe because it is a right as an American citizen. We have every right to protest these reich-wing Tea Bag parties. Are you not an American? Have you never protested something you didn't beleive in?
First off, I want to thank you for allowing me to speak. That confirms you are not O'Reilly. I feel sooo much better that I have earned my right from you.
Hey ConMan defender, drink all the tea you want. You guys realize that you are replacing Kool-Aid with TEA so if someone hurts your feeling by calling you are Tea Toddler, it is just thier right of expression.
Once again, freedoms works two ways. All I meant was that if you really, really want to protest, don't pretend, do it...like the real protesters, the monks. But you guys don't have the b@lls.
P.S. Who the hell are you to think that everyone here is fixated on MSNBC? People here are thoughtful and have disagreed with other liberals on this site and the Democratic leaders. Can say much for most Repubs, they blindly follow.
Fairliberal, the answers to your questions are :
Thank you and the Annebriated one for allowing me to clear my name.
Now, I have read your stuff and have FAIR are you? And I won't answer my own question as you did.
What posters on this site say is in an entirely different catagory than what journalists, reporters and commentators on the MSM say and do.
I am not surprised that you don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two. One should be able to appreciate the difference. Too bad you can't.
I'll just mention aswell, sorry to turn this page into an Irish discussion, but from what I believe, very basically, Obama is raising taxes, while investing in things like, medicine, education and environmental projects to benefit the country, is that right?
I say that because in Ireland we just had a budget which raised taxes, which nobody wants but thats not the problem, whats upsetting for a lot of people is we've raised taxes without investing in medicine, education and green energy, hence why I'd side with Obama, because I can see the method to his madness as the old saying goes.
But another question then is, is that very basically what Obama's doing?
Sorry for going off topic a bit, but what more can you say than Glenn Beck is cookoo lol
Right after Limbaugh(Michael J. Fox)....and Beck and Hannity for their lying.
At least Obama, being the man that he is, apologized. Your boys just say it, Dittobirds laugh and all is forgotten. Like these Tea Parties...how in the world can they compare them to the Boston Tea Party. The answer is---they have no clue but love to follow the shepards. Tea Todlers, no mispelling(sic), should cry about being pick on when they are called that.
Maybe every Tea Toddler should wear a teabag pin to replace the American flag pin which they adore...but don't wear.
Fair, protest away but you have to understand what you are protesting. Taxes is the theme but not the main goal.
Obama didn't mock the handicapped. He mocked himself and Jay Leno because Jay Leno praised him for something that wasn't praiseworthy, a rather low bowling score.
It was the 'good job' kind of comment that Leno made that Obama was mocking. But because he understood that no joke that gives anyone the ideas that he even hints at taking a jab at the Special Olympics is cool, he apologized.
Since you falsely accused him, you should apologize.
I truly am fearful of one of these dangerous ideologues to influence some crazy individual out there, and them act on terrorism in the US. Everything he says about how terrible Obama is are relative issues that should be met Mr. Beck. I find it very humorous that every time someone would criticize Bush or his horrendous administration, you would be considered Unamerican, or freedom hater, and yet if you agree with Obama you're a brainwashed socialist, bent on tyranny and overspending.
Do us all a favor put some Restrictions on this garbage spewing out, its sickening.
You love restrictions of all sorts don't you?
Anyways, how was Olbermann NOT out of line when calling President Bush a fascist? I hate to keep referring to him, but come on, there is clearly a double standard.
No doubt about it, Glenn Beck is bat$h!t CRAZY!
Would't it be great if Liberals had their own tea parties, where they protested bat$h!t CRAZY right wing television and radio personalities?
It's just a matter of time before some right wing nut does something beyond the pale and these idiot right wing crazy loudmouths will not have deniability for actions that they incited. It's just a matter of time. People are going to have to get hurt before Americans wake up and understand what people like Beck are doing. That is truly sad and scary.
"Anyways, how was Olbermann NOT out of line when calling President Bush a fascist?"
Obviously posted by someone who hasn't bothered to learn the definition of Fascism. Look it up, and if you have any reading comprehension skills at all, you will be able to answer your own question.
How many people went on murder sprees inspired by or in the name of Olbermann or his guests? So far we know Faux is directly responsible for AT LEAST 3 domestic reich-wing terrorists.
The Fox news network better pray every night that this President remains safe for his entire term.
Beck, Hannity and Murdoch will find out why nearly 3 million Amercans attended Obamas innaugaration.
Bush could not walk down Pennsylvania Ave after he was selected to a first term.
Please pour the real thing on yourself BECK
oh my god
he's cracking up on national television
Funny - I've yet to hear of Olbermann pouring [fake] gasoline on someone on-camera, crying on the air, or saying he "hated" families of 9-11 victims . . .
Below is an incredibly offensive comment. I will flag it but before I do, I want to condemn it publicly.
Religion makes most people mentally ill....Glenn Beck is a perfect example.
Beck, why dont you just light your self on fire? Oh that's right, you are too much of a coward to do it to yourself, so your hope it that you will "inspire" a bunch of people to do it to themselves.
And when a report comes out next week about a family burning themselves because they couldn't take it anymore, dont deny that you had nothing to do with it. You know, like you did with the warning of the non-coming, non-existent, non-eminent gun ban, and a looney shot 3 cops out of fear.
Make note of this act of violence, even if it was "just water" used. How many mentally ill people are out there who saw what Beck did, and believes it was all real, and will at some point reinact the whole thing really for real?
Remember the good old days when public figures (remember Clinton) were crucified for what they did that could, or would influence young minds out there? Clinton did his dastardly deeds in private, but idiots like Beck dragged them out into view for the whole world to see, and now they do much worse in the full light of day.
For something to be "comedy" it has to be funny. Reich-wingers always use this feeble fallback of "it's comedy" to explain their bizarre and radical political commentary. Fail.
Things are comedy if they do one of three things:
1. Something is unexpected, in example your watching a movie where the people are driving along and out of no where a grand piano fall out of the air landing on a parked car smashing it. Funny. (Or a conservative host pulls out some gasoline from under the table. Funny.)
2. Something is extreme, in example loony toons where the characters play the piano with their feet. Funny. (Or when a conservative host makes a point by pouring "gasoline" on someone. Funny."
3. An object is out of place for where you typically expect to see it, in example a 100 year old women driving a bullet bike with aviators and a leather jacket. Funny. (Or when a conservative host isn't just reading the news but instead is pouring gasoline on someone. Funny."
Beck is very good, he utilized all three. To the average person this was funny. If you turned off the sound and forgot your political differences, you'd think it was funny.
You think that "why don't we just light ourselves on fire" while pretending to pour gasoline over someone is funny.
You think that a proposed tax increase on the richest 5% is the equivalent to being burned alive.
Tells us all we need to know about your sense of humor, and you.
Please stop lecturing us about seeing the "humor" in Beck's paranoid, pathetic rants. No matter how many times you tell us so, a train wreck involving corpses shrewn all over the county is not funny. Regardless of your politics. And a train wreck, complete with corpses, is exactly what Glenn Beck's show is.
Why do you radical extremist reich-wingers
The irony is that the right basically sh_ts on working people but has them convinced it for their own benefit.
The RIGHT may as well set them on fire
when we have a "leader" who doesn't find time, doesn't think it necessary or thinks he may "offend the germans" and does not visit normandy and the verterans buried there.....i say we have a reason to protest in the streets.
and the whole "that wasn't a bow!!! he was jus shakin hands with someone shorter than him!!!" - c'mon people. they think YOU are that stupid.
Then why are you sitting on your overfed butt in front of a computer? Why aren't you in the streets?
It's not working, poser. You and your ilk are not being very successful in your efforts to create anger over NOTHING. I suggest you go back to demanding Obama's birth certificate. Pathetic.
but beck tops it all.
this is stuff even mad tv rejects as not even remotely...
You see your missing the spectacular symbolism here. The American people are almost on "fire" (angry, disenfrachised, fed up, boiling over, etc) and the acts of Obama and congress are just adding fuel to an explosion.
It's not just a tax increase on the rich, it's a debt increase on our children through bailouts, propping up failed companies, the combination of government and business, refusing to secure the border, pork filled budgets and "stimulus" bills, bridges for micosoft buildings, money for zoos, half fought wars, all of it! By both parties! The insanity never ends.
And your using a false analogy. Someone pretending to pour gasoline on people, NO ONE GETS HURT! Whereas a real train wreck with dead people WHERE PEOPLE DIE, is serious, not funny. Sorry if you couldn't tell the difference between those. The Simpsons no one actually dies, Beck's show no one actually dies. Therefore funny.
Why do you "think" you speak for the American people? Jebus, you "people" are insane. No doubt about it.
Obama has a 65% approval rating. Pwned.
"You see your missing the spectacular symbolism here."
Spectacular? Seriously? I think your experiences with symbolism could be listed on the back of a matchbook cover.
"The American people are almost on "fire" (angry, disenfrachised, fed up, boiling over, etc) and the acts of Obama and congress are just adding fuel to an explosion."
There's absolutely zero evidence of this- in fact, judging from Obama's approval rates, the opposite is true. Can't blame you- and Fox News- for trying, though.
"The insanity never ends."
This part seems to be true- but don't give up hope! Therapy can be a long, drawn-out process! Just do your share by not missing any sessions. Only You can Help You, and the first step toward recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
Well for sure we could assume 50% of the American People are probably fed up, but you can't tell me you were tired of Bush spending billions on wars? The out of control pork during the Republican congress? Bush's bailout? Bush's contracts with private military companies? The difference between you and me is that I realized my party screwed me over. They're both out of control. As for his approval rating get back to me about it by the end of the year. He'll join congress by then at 20%.
Oh and yes, I was absolutely sick of Bush's spending on wars, big tax cuts for the rich while the middle class took on more and more of the burden, etc. The difference between you and me is that I can tell the difference between wasteful spending and investment. Bush= Wasteful Spending. Obama= Investment.
Only a total partisan moron could honestly believe that what Obama is doing now is anything like what Bush and his cronies in the GOP did for eight years.
It's no joke. Spending millions and billions on infrastructure is an investment in our children's future.
Keeping our nation from entering a depression by giving millions of the poorest people in our nation a little more money each week (giving $13 to millions of people each payday is a ton of money into the economy, btw) is an investment in our children's future.
Keeping our banks and other huge corporations from failing is an investment in our nation's financial credibility around the world. We have to have a credible face in the world. We cannot exist on our own.
All good investments.
On the other hand, putting more and more money into the pockets of the richest in our country? A terrible investment. Spending money on an unjust, ill-conceived and terribly-run war was a terrible investment of trillions of dollars.
Can you tell me who will win the AL East? While you are at it if you have a winner for the Series, let me know.
Thanks!
NY Daily News.
Guess what, nitwit, the President has other things to do w/ his time than visit Normandy twice in two months.
But the right is always more about empty (Or imagined: "OMG, he leaned over to talk to the Saudi king, who's several inches shorter than the Prez!!! Sharia Law is next!!!") symbolism, rather than anything real or serious.
O'Reilly will probably claim that right wing pressure, esp from guys like Bill O'Reilly, forced Obama to cave in and agree to visit Normandy.
Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He'll show up at Normandy in June and be accused of making it all about him. Just watch.
Sorry, my assumption was the fact that half of Americans voted for McCain. I don't blame this all on Obama, I blame it on all of them, that is why congress is a much better indicator. I think this out of control government has been going on for a long time. Bush increased it dramatically. Infact on his watch government spending increased 4% every year. Now Obama is just increasing that even more. The problem is these two bozos are only partially to blame, they simply sign in the laws, its those in congress that continually decide to increase spending and put our children into massive debt. Sorry you still trust the fearless leader Obama and that he can do no wrong.
Have you seen troops coming out of Iraq? I see more going into Afghanistan. Have you seen the bank bailouts increase or the car compaines? The fact is they're only increasing. How about that wondeful bridge being built for Bill Gates and Microsoft between their compaines, seems pretty wasteful. I don't know....it doesn't look like we got much change, same Washington as ever, spend spend spend.
Well under half (50%, one of two, understand "half" now?) voted for McCain.
Do you not understand that we need to provide jobs for people, so they will have money to spend, to make the economy move again?
Ok now, wait a minute. Now you're telling me that the reason you think that half the country is angry is because 50% (47%, actually) voted for McCain? Are you serious? And what the h*ll is Obama supposed to do about that? I seem to recall being told to "get over it" (remember the Sore Loserman signs?) when my candidate got MORE VOTES than the other guy in 2000.
I reject the notion that all the people who voted for McCain are now "angry" anyway. Obama's 65% approval rate certainly suggests that the number is far smaller. I would also point out that there are these things called "elections" which determine which "representatives" get to make "policy." Fortunately for all of us, they are never far into the future.
Rather than ask Obama and the majority in Congress to take opinion polls, watch Fox News cover the "Tea Parties," and then adjust accordingly, how about if we just let the people we elected try to do what they were elected to do? If we don't like it, we can go vote- it's a lot more constructive than waving signs and shouting about generalities like "spending" and "pork." Or maybe you just want the President and Congress to act like weather vanes in a storm, and twist this way and that at every new wave of "outrage" from people who have been whipped into a frenzy over God Knows What.
Sorry I wasn't in the mood of looking up exact percentages, he could stop spending like crazy, that's always an option. I'm not one of those people who thinks the other side should get over it, we always need the loyal opposition. I couldn't imagine the government completely controlled by one party or the other, that's dangerous. These protests are warnings to those "policy makers" that if they would like to stay in that position then they better listen up and do A, B, and C. I dunno I always thought protests and freedom of speech were pretty dang American.
Also it's not an option of either or when it comes to listening to public opinion. Politicians have to decide which battes to fight. I don't know something like the border which the public is overwhelmingly in support of securing, as a leader you should probably do it. If the public is consistently against something, say pork, spending, etc. Then listen to them!
Bah, I just give up. There's no point in talking to you; you are convinced that you've got your thumb on the pulse of the public, and if Obama doesn't act on what you want, we need to "do something." Obama needs to "secure the border" (what does that mean? You don't say- not your problem, not your responsibility) because that's what "everyone" wants. Last time I checked, Tom Tancredo didn't win the GOP nomination- odd, since "everyone wants" what his No. 1 issue was. You totally dismiss the concept of elections because elections didnt get you what you wanted, whatever that is. Obama needs to "stop pork,"- again, "pork" means "spending in the other guy's district."
Please don't respond any more. You've got nothing to say, and you never have. You bleat these bland generalities, make statements you can't back up with facts, and just whine because, darn it, there isn't an election every 90 days to allow you to express your frustration more often. You clearly want this country run on popularity polls. You have nothing but contempt for representative democracy, since you want to pretend the last election simply didn't happen.
I don't know how many times I can say this, but I'll try just once more: we have elections in this country. People use them to decide who will be guiding policy for the next two or four or six years. We don't run our country based on the current level of "anger," real or imagined. We don't run our country based on the latest polls. And we don't run our country based on how many turn out to wave signs in response to a propaganda push by Fox News. Sorry.
An excellent straw man argument, Bravo! Yes I am convinced the vast majority of the public is fed up with out of control spending, you nailed me there. However once again I don't think this is all Obama's fault, I think it's King George's too, but mostly its our members of congress, they make the laws, they decide the massive amounts of money that will be wasted.
Yes I'm a firm believer that the federal government shouldn't be worried about instate affairs. I shouldn't be paying for Microsoft's Bridge in whatever state it's in, if the members of that State feel its so important they can have their state congress pass a bill to pay for it.
Once again the loyal opposition is fundamental to representative democracy, if people just "shut up" or go along with the crowd, then we get things like the Iraq War. I feel it a sense of duty to watch my government and voice my opinion to let others know, signs and protests are one of the best ways to do that.
I never said I wish "the last election never happend" or have an election "every 90 days" or "that [I] want this country run on popularity polls, although you have an fabulous imagination, I commend you on that.
The fact is we do run a large part of our country on polls, because there are things that happen during elections cycles that were not discussed during the cycle. For instance The Iraq War or trillion dollar bailouts. You use an either/or fallacy. We don't have to choose:
1.Run the entire country only on polls and anger of the moment (that would be mob rule)
2.Just shut our mouths until the next election cycle.(that would give our government too much power)
America is all about debate my friend, and not only congress but amongst her people, and there is no better place to do it than at a rally. Congress really should listen when there is an overwhelming majority and what they want is constitutional, if they want to stay in office that is. But I like to give them a fair warning.
When will people like you learn that prefacing your comments with "see, see, see, I am about to say something that's totally counter-intuitive, but if I claim credibility, then you'll give me credibility, right?", you lose all your credibility?
No one who is an Obama fan thinks that he will spend the USA into oblivion. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows that despite our desires to limit deficit spending, at times you cannot chose that path, and this is one of those times.
TI, It is two hours later. You are still what you are and Obama is still the President. Come back with your genius in about 3 years and nine months.
If you are correct, I will salute you. Until then, write to your Congressmen, get involved locally in the politics and state you approval/disapproval in a responsible, intelligent manner. If you wish to pronouce yourself as a whatever prior to any discussion, you will be considered a fool. And we don't need anymore of those around. we've already got about 28% of the country going that way. My best to you and your fine city.
He is practically pouring gasoline on himself and striking a match everytime he does an episode of his "insane, brainwashing propaganda-supreme" show.
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