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O'Reilly, Stossel agree that Medicare is a "ponzi scheme"

May 07, 2009 9:01 pm ET

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    • Author by mk3872 (May 07, 2009 9:18 pm ET)
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      Wait! Isn't Stossel on ABC? You know, the spooky liberal media?

      Oh, oops, the liberal bias is a actually FARCE!

      yeah, Stossel, old people want viagra for free. That is EXACTLY what Medicare is.

      What a fool. It is criminal that phonies like this are given the kind of airtime that they are to spread this kind of malarkey.
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    • Author by fairliberal (May 07, 2009 9:28 pm ET)
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      Factually correct report.
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      • Author by mk3872 (May 07, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
           
        "Medicare is there so old people can get free Viagra" - John Stossel in said clip annointed by FL as "factually correct".

        Ummm ... not quite, genious. It actually provides health insurance for those in need of life saving treatment over the age of 65.

        "Medicare is a ponzi scheme"

        Ponzi schemes are illegal and provide no net benefit to the investor. Medicare provides health insurance. Wrong again FL & Mr. Stossel.

        "Fairliberal": Just type in a any old sh-t to protect heros like John Stossel.

        What is the saying? Birds of a feather ...
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        • Author by jmh (May 07, 2009 9:50 pm ET)
             
          "Medicare is there so old people can get free Viagra" etc...
          ... don't know if anyone remembers, back in '03-04 or so, O'Reilly used to argue that partial birth abortion needed to be banned because women would demand one if they had a headache.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 07, 2009 10:26 pm ET)
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          It is factually correct in the point that the system is in the red big time and the comparison to a ponzi scheme is a bit on the abstract side but not invalid. And viagara is covered under Medicare. Of course you like to split hairs with wording whenever it suits your purpose. You'll quote Stossel word for word now ( and BTW you quoted him incorrectly, he did not say "Medicare is there so old people can get free Viagra") But you will accuse O'Reilly of saying things that he did not say when it suits your purpose, such as the comments he made about the murdered girl in NYC. The point I was making is that Stossel's comments are correct, the Medicare system is broken and somewhere along the line changes have to be made. His point was that perhaps things like viagara should not be covered so that the life saving care that many need can continue to be available. Is that an unreasonable position to take?
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      • Author by harley (May 08, 2009 8:24 am ET)
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        Factually correct report.

        Prove it, you teabagging anti-American filth.

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      • Author by captfoster2 (May 08, 2009 11:38 am ET)
           
        "Factually correct report."

        Your right... MMfA exposing the Stossel/O'Reilly report is a factually correct report on the inane stance they took...

        See fairliberal... that was not so hard to admit too...
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    • Author by jmh (May 07, 2009 9:32 pm ET)
         
      ... the only conclusion that one can actually draw from their commentary is that Market Capitalism is a failure.

      take that!
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    • Author by mjh (May 07, 2009 9:36 pm ET)
         
      For Medicare to be a Ponzi scheme by definition, one individual at the top has to be making all the money.

      Care to tell us whom that is, Bull and John?


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      • Author by jmh (May 07, 2009 9:45 pm ET)
           
        I would like Stossel's take on the biggest Ponzi-style-scheme-atic outrage in the last 90 years... it comes under the generic term: Wall Street
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        • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 10:52 am ET)
             
          See, Wall Street's fleecing of America is Okay, because it's not associated with the Gummint.

          It's just like Health Care. These guys weep and moan at the thought of the Government taking their money and using it to pay for sick people's health care... even though Insurance Companies do the exact same thing.
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    • Author by Daryl A. (May 07, 2009 11:28 pm ET)
         
      I guess when your raking in an eight figure salary a year like Bill O'Reilly its easy to cheer on John Stossel as he pigeon holes the need for health care assistance as a bankrupt lost cause, center pieced around erectile dysfunction. I'm sure his "lost cause" rap sheet had the war in Iraq and sexual bigotry whited out.. or should I say, white collared out.

      - And I love the little hands folded full torso nod/bow he does when he says "As it has in California." Dare i say he looked... erect.

      -John Stossel looks like Geraldo and Freddy Mercury fused in a Burlington Coat Factory.
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 1:53 am ET)
           
        How much do your heros on the left make, you lefties like to critcise the right for making money while the left has the wealthiest politicians in our government. Are you critcising Stossel for pointing out that medicare is a disaster and it cannot continue the way it is going. Or perhaps you like it just the way it is. Do you have anything constructive to say at all. Nope I didn't think so.
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        • Author by mjh (May 08, 2009 2:19 am ET)
             
          Do YOU anything to say - ever - other than, "the left does it too!", or staunchly defend every wingnut noisemaker every time they say something nonfactual, half-factual, or just plain stupid {which is pretty much all the time?}


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        • Author by Daryl A. (May 08, 2009 4:57 am ET)
             
          "Do you have anything constructive to say at all. Nope I didn't think so."
          HA, spoken like a true conservative. A seemingly genuine question that ends up being rhetorical capped by a definitive assumption. Trust me there's plenty to say. I couldn't exactly say anything constructive in between the period mark after "all" and the capital N in "nope". My comment regarding pay scale was specifically directed at Bill O'Reilly if you reread the first sentence of the post. To me its not a right or left issue. Anyone that's exponentially wealthy sounds hollow and arrogant debating Medicare or universal health care. They'll never need it. Its like a man describing the feeling of child birth. Bill will never feel the anxiety of retirement era financial struggle. Medicare is certainly flawed and needs either heavy reform or a replacement program. But the last 8 years haven't exactly been conducive to nationalized anything aside from war and fear. Most liberals fully understand the unshaken relevance for government assisted health care for all who cannot afford it. At the very least the current progressive movement shows a type of compassion and logic that clearly Bill O'Reilly and John Stossel denounce and even mock through Viagra humor. So either Bill and John are both truly elitist(yes),they're trying to manipulate an audience to fit their within they're individual opinions (that They're paid to do).(yes) or They're slowly starting to rethink why the mood of this country from a human stand point rather then a paper one.
          Either way they have no answers. only hate.
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        • Author by harley (May 08, 2009 8:23 am ET)
             
          you lefties like to critcise the right for making money while the left has the wealthiest politicians in our government.

          Prove it, hick.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 9:33 am ET)
               
            I'd like to see those stats myself. Do the Kennedys have more money than the Bushes or Cheneys? I'd love to know.
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
                 
              The Kennedys have way more $$ than either Bush or Cheney, it is not even close. And then there is John Kerry to consider also. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/368rqgqt.asp
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    • Author by alissa.holiday5177 (May 08, 2009 2:19 am ET)
         
      It's a "ponzi scheme?" WHAT? Funny I thought a ponzi scheme meant only one person benefits from it. Don't we all sort of benefit from it?
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    • Author by Robec8 (May 08, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
         
      "O'Reilly, Stossel agree that Medicare is a "ponzi scheme"

      And they are right!

      Enough said
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      • Author by bwither012965 (May 08, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
           
        No. They aren't. And it's not.

        I would also point out that Bill-O didn't see a problem with people being able to get Viagra through Medicare when the discussion was about the double standard of Viagra being covered by health insurance but not birth control. When THAT was the discussion, he was all too happy to point out that Viagra is used to treat a medical condition.


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        • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
             
          And he was being factual in pointing out why viagara was covered and birth control was not. Do you disagree with that?
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          • Author by bwither012965 (May 08, 2009 10:04 pm ET)
               
            Although You, Stossel and O’Reilly may not know it, preventing unwanted pregnancies is not just another “choice.” It's central to good health care for women. According to NARAL, 98 percent of women use some form of birth control during their reproductive years to control the timing and spacing of their pregnancies, which in turn reduces the incidence of maternal death, low birth weight babies, and infant mortality.

            Failure to cover birth control forces women to bear higher health care costs to avoid pregnancy, and exposes women to the unique physical, economic, and emotional consequences that can result from unintended pregnancy.

            He may have been being, "factual" but as usual he got his facts wrong.
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
                 
              No, his facts were correct. He does not decide what is covered and what is not covered. And inexpensive or free birth control is available to anyone who wants it. A little personal responsibility would prevent most unwanted pregnancies.
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              • Author by bwither012965 (May 09, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
                   
                No, they weren't, but you can keep shoving your fingers in your ears and pretending that Bill O'Reilly can get through a sentence without screwing up his facts.

                Given Bill-O's record with women's sexuality, I'm curious why anyone would back this misogynistic loser when he decides to opine about why his Viagra and Loofahs should have preferential treatment under his health insurance plan.

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