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Olbermann names Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beck "Worst Persons"

May 08, 2009 9:23 am ET

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    • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 9:30 am ET)
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      I have often suspected that the kingmakers in the still-dangerous Troglodyte Propaganda Machine have tapped Beck to be the heir apparent for PigMan Limbaugh. Why else would a mewling douchebag like him get a national TV show? He's almost as talentless as Hanniterd, though I must admit his voice is moderately less grating... but not much.
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      • Author by jpeagle21 (May 08, 2009 10:24 am ET)
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        Wow, you are a master at the craft of using nonsensical adjectives! Do you sit around and try to think of those, or do they come naturally? Also, I like how you take the end of someone's name and chance it a little so that it becomes an insult. Clever......very clever.
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        • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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          Well, it gives me something constructive to do.

          I listened to people like Hanniterd and PigMan Limbaugh insult and harangue Liberals for years unchallenged. Now that they've driven their party into the ground, it's fun to watch them squirm and whine.

          And, since their well-deserved minority status may be temporary, I have to get my jollies while I can.
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      • Author by essbird (May 09, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
           
        When I get irritated by Hannity's voice, I tune in Mark Levin, who ranks a 10 on the Hate-O-Meter along with Michael (Weiner) Savage. After an hour of Levin, Hannity sounds like Paul Robeson. Try it!
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    • Author by dave (May 08, 2009 9:32 am ET)
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      I can' t disagree with your choices, Keith, but as you pointed out when you mentioned Steve King, there's laws on the books...for gun control as well. We don't need new laws, we need to enforce the ones that are already there.
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    • Author by jpeagle21 (May 08, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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      What a hypocrite this guy is. He complains about Beck talking bad about someone when they are not in the studio while he is, in fact, doing the exact same thing by trashing these guys when they have no opportunity to respond. And, he does it every night. Wow. The funniest thing about this is that Beck, O'Reilly, and Hannity all destroy this moron in the ratings. No one (relatively speaking) watches his show! Do you notice that the Fox guys never mention Olberman on their shows? That's because he is not worth their spit.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 10:33 am ET)
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        "by trashing these guys when they have no opportunity to respond"

        "These guys" all have their own national talk shows... I think that's all the opportunity they need.

        Maybe you should check the ratings again, at least for O'Reilly. I don't think it's as lopsided as you imply.
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        • Author by jpeagle21 (May 08, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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          Here are the most recent Nielsen ratings for cable news. Fox wipes the floor with them. You can go here to see for yourself.

          http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news

          FOXN THE OREILLY FACTOR 08:00P -09:00P _T_____ 2880 657 1140
          CNN CAMPBELL BROWN 08:00P -09:00P _T_____ 716 175 305
          MSNB COUNTDOWN W/ K. OLBERMANN 08:00P -09:00P _T_____ 1089 298 572
          CNBC CNBC REPORTS 08:00P -09:00P _T_____ 176 77 103
          HLN NANCY GRACE 08:00P -09:00P _T_____ 598 204 311

          FOXN HANNITY 09:00P -10:00P _T_____ 2125 541 893
          CNN LARRY KING LIVE 09:00P -10:00P _T_____ 1047 209 421
          MSNB RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 09:00P -10:00P _T_____ 803 208 389
          CNBC AS SEEN ON TV 09:00P -10:00P _T_____ 197 74 92
          HLN LOU DOBBS TONIGHT 09:00P -10:00P _T_____ 353 86 161

          FOXN ON THE RECORD W/GRETA 10:00P -11:00P _T_____ 2002 480 831
          CNN ANDERSON COOPER 360 10:00P -11:00P _T_____ 996 222 333
          MSNB COUNTDOWN W/ K. OLBERMANN 10:00P -11:00P _T_____ 595 171 296
          CNBC ON THE MONEY 10:00P -11:00P _T_____ 147 45 57
          HLN NANCY GRACE 10:00P -11:00P _T_____ 513 215 305

          FOXN THE OREILLY FACTOR 11:00P -12:00A _T_____ 1629 538 803
          CNN ANDERSON COOPER 360 11:00P -12:00A _T_____ 602 183 228
          MSNB RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 11:00P -12:00A _T_____ 302 82 159
          CNBC MAD MONEY 11:00P -12:00A _T_____ 83 34 43
          HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 11:00P -12:00A _T_____ 307 125 142

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          • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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            It's true that FOX beats MSNBC generally... FOX has more dedicated zombies, no doubt... but Olbermann occasionally beats O'Reilly, so I don't think it's accurate to say that O'Reilly "destroys" Olbermann in the ratings.
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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              Actually O'Reilly's rerun at 11PM beats Olberman's prime time show. Olberman may beat O'Reilly's show when O'Reilly is off but that is about it.
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              • Author by TheDayV (May 08, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                Once again, ratings mean nothing when it comes to truth. The truth is not determined by popularity.
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                • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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                  Ratings are an indication of quality and who is presenting the most interesting broadcasts, just like election results are an indication of who the people are relating to at any given point in time.
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                  • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 2:54 pm ET)
                       
                    Ratings are an indication of how many eyeballs a certain show can attract. "Quality" is subjective, and doesn't always figure into the mix.

                    Reality shows are among the highest rated... does that make them "quality" television?
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                    • Author by TheDayV (May 08, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
                         
                      Precisely. Also, Hannity got 3rd for having thought that Obama's choice in burger topings was not only worth criticism, but also indicative of his supposed bad leadership. For commentary, it's both bad and uninteresting.
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                      • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 7:52 pm ET)
                           
                        When you have to bring up the use of condiments on your show...that is pretty sad...I live mustard too. So what. Gesh, that is why Hannity is such a sad sad man and Fox so fun to watch. They are parities of themselves.
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                    • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
                         
                      Apples and oranges, we are talking about news and political commentary not entertainment.
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                      • Author by TheDayV (May 08, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
                           
                        Reality shows aside, the quality of a news/political commentary program is determined by it's truthfulness, not the other way around. Newsworthiness is also no determinant of truth. Again, I point to the condiment critique as evidence.
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                      • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
                           
                        I thought we were talking about ratings as an indicator of quality.

                        If it works for one genre, shouldn't it work for another?

                        Apparently Greta Van Susteren has pretty high ratings. Doesn't she deal primarily with tabloid crap?
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                        • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
                             
                          Van Susteren is a lawyer and typically deals in legal issues. Lately she has been getting more into politics. And apparently she is a liberal and longtime supporter of the Clintons.
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                          • Author by LuvLuLu (May 09, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
                               
                            Those on the right like a consistent, non-troubling echo chamber to listen to, so the TV Shows that give them what they want receive good ratings from that group. I have associates whose TV is always on FoxNews, even when it's muted.

                            The ratings those shows receive are not a indication of the truthfulness of their content. It's an indication of the die-hard fans that need and want to hear that stuff.
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (May 09, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
                       
                    Ratings are an indication of quality (Fairliberal)

                    You've just summarized a lot of what's wrong with conservative groupthink mentality, FL.

                    First of all, TV rating are based on quite a bit of hocus pocus and extrapolation, but more important to keep in mind, the comparative ratings of tv shows is only a rough count of those Americans who are sitting around watching tv. A relatively small group,not very important, except to advertisers.

                    and if youre going to be consistent in your logic, you'd have to agree that McDonald's has great food and Hannah Montana makes incredibly important music.

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                • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 7:50 pm ET)
                     
                  Amen to that brother the truth over hate any day.
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          • Author by bwither012965 (May 08, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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            Not a shock when you consider that MSNBC is only carried by Cablevision.

            When I want to watch Keith olbermann Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow, I can't use my television, I have to go online.

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        • Author by ettucat (May 08, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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          I believe they don't respond simply because no one knows who Olbermann is. He needs to build a following before he will be recognized. Seems only MediaMatters, and the few Liberal followers they have accumulated are the only people quoting Olbermann.
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          • Author by carolinindy (May 08, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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            no one will follow olberman.. he is a hater.. that is so obvious
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          • Author by bwither012965 (May 08, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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            Oh, Bill-O knows who Keith Olbermann is. If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have threatened to send Fox Security to the home of a guy who had the, "audacity" to mention Keith's name on the Radio Factor.
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          • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
               
            Guess you are wrong. But who cares. Truth will find a way to the voters. When your guy has to comment on what our president puts on his hamberger that is really reaching the bottom of the barrel and totally totally a turn off for the intelligent viewer. I watch Olbermann daily and most of the time I agree. Not always because I have a brain.
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        • Author by pete592 (May 08, 2009 11:33 am ET)
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          Silly Nerzog. Did you forget? Ratings = Credibility
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          • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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            Oh, that's right. I always forget that formula, the same one that says Right Wing Talk Radio is somehow superior in quality because their sugardaddies managed to buy up the market.
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 2:55 pm ET)
                 
              Left Wing Talk Radio fails because they have nothing constructive to say. They have had their shots, and they repeatedly fail. No one cares what they say.
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              • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
                   
                "because they have nothing constructive to say"

                And Right Wing talk radio shows do?

                Now, that's funny.
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                • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 7:55 pm ET)
                     
                  If you listen to Rush and the hate he spews and think that is radio then you are a real ditto head. It is pretty funny stuff coming from the right. Pretty funny.
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                • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 9:04 pm ET)
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                  I do not listen to either but I do know that the righties are still there and quite popular, so popular that the lefties that can't compete are crying for the return of the fairness doctrine. The lefties on the other hand either get cancelled or go bankrupt. Doesn't that say something about credibility and quality.
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                  • Author by LuvLuLu (May 09, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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                    Actually, it says nothing about credibility and quality. It says something about those on the right and the lockstep way they want to get their ideological version of the news.
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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (May 09, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
                         
                      Not to mention the most popular am radio shows are on during the day, when most productive people are at work. Shut-ins and the unemployable aren't generally attracted to the most thought provoking media, they just like to say "Dittos!".
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      • Author by Übermensch (May 08, 2009 10:37 am ET)
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        I think that you missed the point of why Beck is the "Worst Person in the World" He is not there simply because he was "talking bad about someone when they are not in the studio." But rather he was having a debate on an issue dealing with ACORN, with someone from ACORN.
        To top it off, as Olbermann points out, the ACRON rep out debated him with facts and points leaving Beck the proverbial 'loser'. But that's not what made Beck WPITW...its the rant he chose to go on once his guest just left. Thats what got him the first place finish and its a cowardly thing to do.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 9:59 pm ET)
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          And Olberman would never do such a thing because he does not debate anyone. Everyone he attacks is an absentee victim. He is the real coward and it is indisputable.
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          • Author by ProgLib (May 11, 2009 5:55 am ET)
               
            there is no proof that olbermann doesnt want to debate anyone... i dont know, maybe people dont want to come on his show. regardless, olbermann's show is not made for yelling debates and spouting talking points at each other like fox news does. and resorting to something like that for a news show would come down to getting ratings instead of focusing on quality. fox news doesnt have quality, and they seem to take pride in just yelling at one another and passing it off as "fair and balanced". olbermann doesnt do that... he reports the news, and you either like it or you dont.
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      • Author by eddiebear2 (May 08, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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        In fact, Olby loves to claim that nor having debate is a more dignified manner of a show, less "contentious", or something along that line.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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          He says that because he is afraid to debate most of the people he criticises, he is a twit.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
               
            In that case, we must assume the same about Rush Limbaugh.
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      • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
           
        I love him. He does well. If hate gets listeners yes they have them. Most are over 60 and the rest are for the most part, white, from the south and who have a hard time thinking for themselves. Some of what is on FOX NEWS is just plain crazy. If the GOP was such hot stuff they would have won the last two elections...per Fox...what happened? With GOP in control the last 8 years ( 6 in Congress) the free market should have us rolling in dough, what happened? You guys should have won. You had the right message, the right folks, God certainly was on your side and maybe the angels too. But what happened?

        The new young voters do not watch any of the news channels they watch Colbert and Steward (sp). I watch Olbermann as do most of my friends. We are all over 60 but just hate the hate mongering that borders on being so funny that it is driving more folks from FOX than too them. They hang on to the 20 per cent who get off on half truths and hate speech but they did not bring enough haters to the last two elections. Hate speech turns most voters off. So going on watching those right wing kings of tv. As for me and mine, we will listen to folks who at least look at both sides of an issue from time to time. God Bless America.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (May 09, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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        Yeah, if only Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly had some forum where they could respond! Poor SOBs.

        By the way, O'Reilly goes after Olbermann almost everyday. He just won't mention him by name. If you cannot see that then you are just drinking the Fox News Kool-Aid.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (May 08, 2009 10:16 am ET)
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      I happen to find Glenn Beck to be one of the most revolting people on television. With his chuckling delivery and smiles, he is far more menacing than a redfaced and screaming Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity just comes off as pompous, Beck truly frightens me and the nausea and depression last for hours after my catching one of his shows.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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        Same here. His "aw-shucks-everyman" schtick is pretty thin.

        He's just one more Religious Fanatic Douchebag with a microphone.
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        • Author by pete592 (May 08, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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          And a bloated paycheck. Yet somehow, he empathizes with the downtrodden and the middle class.
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    • Author by christian6121485 (May 08, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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      MediaMatters just loves Keith Odorman, don't they?
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      • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 11:33 am ET)
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        Many of us pointy-headed liberals love Olbermann because he was the first cable talking head to really go after the Bush Junta and call them on their lies. After years of a cowardly press corps bowing to the Jingoism of the GOP Troglodytes, Olbermann was a breath of fresh air for us.
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      • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
           

        As well they should, he has a brain. He speaks without yelling (most of the time)He interviews folks who differ from him and does not yell them down or be rude to them. He is so much smarter and has more controll of the truth than anyone on Fox. They are in the tank for GOP at Fox and if they were so good, then they should have had the GOP win the last two elections by great numbers. But folks for the most part hate the hate speech they heard the last election which is pretty much all they hear on FOX morn to night.
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    • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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      It's been a long time since MMFA posted a worst person in the world thread! I was wondering if Erik had caved in to the complaints of several righties who hated seeing Olbermann given some credibility.
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    • Author by Hurryduck@aol.com (May 08, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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      Why do you guys take this moron Keith Olbermann seriously? He's nothing more than a left-wing extremist, smear merchant who gets most, if not all of the material for his show from this very website!
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 08, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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        He's nothing more than a left-wing extremist, smear merchant

        Then you should have no problem documenting any such "smears" to be untrue. The fact that you have made this claim several times on this site and have never yet provided a scintilla of evidence to back it up says that you are just another ignorant wingnut.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 10:02 pm ET)
             
          Here is one example http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/17/olbermann-echoes-thinkprogress-lies-smear-palin
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          • Author by LuvLuLu (May 09, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
               
            No, that's not an example.

            Here's what Palin said.

            "Ever since I took the chief executive’s job up north, I’ve pushed for more funding for students with special needs." Today the quote was, "I sought more funds for students with special needs."

            When presented with a budget that had more funds, she crossed off the figure on that budget and halved it. She didn't seek more funds, nor did she push for more funding than what was proposed - she actually cut proposed funds by a significant amount.

            Olbermann was correct. She tried to claim that, as a mother of a special needs child, she had pushed for larger funding than other people had proposed, but when presented with their proposals, she balked!
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      • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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        I think that describes the right. They get most of their material straight from GOP talking points. Long Live MSNBC.
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    • Author by Hurryduck@aol.com (May 08, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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      Why do you guys take this moron Keith Olbermann seriously? He's nothing more than a left-wing extremist, smear merchant who gets most, if not all of the material for his show from this very website!
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      • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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        I guess for the same reason that you guys take morons like Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity seriously.

        I'd be willing to bet, however, that Olbermann lies less often than any of those clowns, and Rachel Maddow is smarter than all of them put together.
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        • Author by carolinindy (May 08, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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          How can anyone take this clown seriously. his jealousy of sean, bill and glenn are sooo obvious.
          I don't think msnbc can afford to pay him for very much longer. No one watches,.

          Olberman is a loser.. i can't even stand to watch him during football season.. he needs to be shown the door.
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          • Author by TheDayV (May 08, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
               
            What reason would Olbermann have to be jealous?
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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              The fact that he was not good enough to work for Murdoch and also that they kick his butt night after night. He is just bitter about being fired by Murdoch
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              • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
                   
                Murdoch is losing his shirt in most markets right now. All but his Fox news. Murdoch would not make any one jealous. He is a mean spirited man who pushes hate on all who will listen. But all the hatred Fox pushed out the last two election cycles did not work. Hope over hate any day.
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              • Author by TheDayV (May 09, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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                I don't know about you, but I'd rather come in second place telling the people what they need to know than first place by telling the people what they want to hear.

                Also, 'not good enough to work for Murdoch'? You mean he's not as good as the guys on Red Eye? Or the people on StarTV?
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          • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:05 pm ET)
               
            I watch him and I am someone. He is not jealous believe me. Nor am I. I feel sorry for them. Bill and Sean and Glenn all depend on hate and truth manipulation. If they were so good they would have made us pushed us to vote for the GOP with their wonderful talking ways. But they and Palin made us pretty sick of hate hate hate every day. Hope over hate any day.
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        • Author by Robec8 (May 08, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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          Maddow and Olbermann deserve each other LOL
          Let's see if each of them watch each others show they each get a viewer. Great ratings i am sure they love talking to each other
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      • Author by LuvLuLu (May 09, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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        Actually, the material is there because of what those on the right do. It's not like MMfA invents the behaviors that those in the media exhibit. So, it's wrong to say that Olbermann gets his material from this site.

        Multiple people and groups can come to the same conclusion based on their own independent observations! Just like we all come to the same conclusion about you, HurryDuck. I don't need someone else to interpret your behavior for me and tell me what I should think about your behavior.
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    • Author by Robec8 (May 08, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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      LOL
      Isn't that funny he names the 3 people that kick his ass in the ratings everyday every night and even their reruns beat him. Hey Keith nobody is watching you there all to busy watching
      Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beck.
      MSNBC is that even a real network? ROFL
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      • Author by TheDayV (May 08, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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        Ratings are not proportional to truthfulness for the same reasons that McDonalds' revenues don't make it a healthfood store.
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        • Author by Robec8 (May 08, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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          ummm lets see more people watch the 3 of them. Enough said.
          PS McDonalds makes a profit just Like Fox News can't say that about MSNBC now can we?
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          • Author by TheDayV (May 08, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
               
            You misunderstand. Your assumption that popularity equates to truthfulness is wrong. Just because more people watch them doesn't mean that they are more truthful. It might mean that they provide a message that appeals to their viewers. Their viewers demand a 'do my thinking for me' message, and Fox gives them one.

            The message provided by O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck is divisive, over-simplified and dripping with peer-pressure. Their information is poorly if ever founded in fact and if facts ARE ever present, they are very often cherry picked or heavily spun in order to form half-truths or falsehoods in the minds of Fox's viewers.
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          • Author by Übermensch (May 08, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
               
            GE, the parent company of NBC and all its sister stations, stock (sym GE) is at $14.36 right now...while News Corp (sym NWSA) is at $9.64

            Looks like MSNBC is doing better financially than Fox News

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            • Author by fairliberal (May 08, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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              Your comparison of the stock price indicates that you know nothing about the way the stock market works.
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        • Author by nerzog (May 08, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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          "Ratings are not proportional to truthfulness"

          Rush Limbaugh is proof of that.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (May 09, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
             
          Sorry, DayV, I should have read further, I used the McDonald's analogy too.

          Hilarious that it was too complicated for the wingnuts. Look at the focus on "popularity" of tv shows by the cons on this thread. It's like they can't even grasp the concept that something lousy can be (and often is) more popular than something of quality.

          and the fact that they can't understand this seems to have them all ROTF and LOLing.
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    • Author by paul8616 (May 08, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
         
      The reason MMA seem to enjoy Olbermann is that he's basically doing the same thing they're doing: Keeping track of lies and outrages by conservative media figures.

      Olbermann just keeps it down to 3 a night. MMA keeps going 24/7.

      This particular clip is good, though, because it means that finding three 'worst people' other than these obvious choices wasn't very easy. To our conservative friends: If Olbermann is picking on these three, that's good. Keep up the good work.
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      • Author by Robec8 (May 08, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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        Let me help him name the three for tonight

        1. O'bama
        2. Reid
        3. Pelosi
        Damn to bad he doesn't name more than 3 ROFL
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (May 08, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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      Here's a list

      Top 3 administrations with the most convictions

      -Reagan
      -Nixon
      -Bush
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    • Author by imagephreak (May 08, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
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      I find it very amusing that anyone would think Rachel Maddow is smart. I find her more of a young and continuously learning intellectual than an expert on anything other than finding new ways to prosecute Bush II, or to advance a gay/lesbian agenda, that should be decided by states in the first place. Also,the so called progressives, imo are basically partisans walking down a road in which most of their concepts are either historically failed ones, or ideas that basically violate americans constitutional rights to capitalism and basic social freedoms. Just my opinion as an indy.
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      • Author by imagephreak (May 08, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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        Also, MSNBC, I feel, is pushing more of an anti Laissez-faire agenda, based on very little or no evidence that regulating market will somehow prevent economic ups and downs. I understand the concern to prevent fraud and credit default swaps. But if you take the government entirely out of the mix, the frauds doing the credit default swaps, would have had no incentive to do them if there was no government to prop them up. ie "to big to fail".

        I do find it funny however that the anti Laissez-faire left, are calling the fiscal consevatives, radical or extreme right wingers. Doesnt make much sense to me.

        Someone please clue me in on that.
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        • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:25 pm ET)
             
          I guess the last 8 years of free maket should have us all doing real well right now. I think temporary regulation is necessary until we figure out how Wall Street is going to re build. It is certainly not going to be able to use the kind of dirivites they used in recent times and I am not sure who in this country trusts them to do what is right We made that mistake once that we thought they would self regulate. In the long run there is nothing that can save us from the ups and downs of the market. So many variables. But for the short run, and I think that is what the president wants it to be, I think we have no choice. We can not trust the system. It is broke. I think no one is sure of the answers Dem or GOP it is a mess and one we have never faced before. That is why I think unity is needed but it will not happen as GOP thinks it has the answers as always. This time I think they have a broken record we have heard over and over again.
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      • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:14 pm ET)
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        She is my hero. And she invites folks who will bring another side to the issue and she discusses things with them. She does not invite folks with opposing views to yell at them. That is the major difference with Fox and MSNBC. Intellectual discourse.

        Many on the right do not like that. They like to be told what to believe. Makes them less anxious than to have to learn new things and educate themselves. So I watch her because I do think she is the smartest journalist going. Noted I said journalist, not entertainer as I believe most all on the Fox channel are right now. They dictate thoughts to you while Rachel will have on many who disagree with her and actually have thoughtful discussion so refreshing. So if the ratings are not high well it is because most folks want not to think about their politics. They want it spoon fed.
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      • Author by bwither012965 (May 10, 2009 4:44 am ET)
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        Oh you're so very right. Why ANYONE would think that a Rhodes Scholar with a Ph.D in political science is smart is beyond me. </sarcasm>

        Yep, it's just your opinion, and it's an opinion based on a bunch of garbage.
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    • Author by njguy93 (May 08, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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      Yes, it is true that O'Reilly, Hannity, and even Beck get higher ratings than Keith Olbermann. Getting higher ratings does not necessarily mean that you are more truthful or have a better quality show with deeper and more intellectual discussions on it. You can watch O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck or any of the other shows on the FOX NEWS CHANNEL to see that. Olbermann and Maddow many not by accurate 100% of the time when they say something or do a story, but the vast majority of the time they are, and you know it.

      They do not distort, cherry-pick, leave out facts, or manipulate or even flat-out lie the way that clowns like O'Reilly do, or the way that buffoons like Hannity do, or the way that court jesters like Beck do. All three of those losers have neanderthal audiences that hate to actually think or go in depth, so they do their simplistic nonsense.

      There actually have been some nights where Olbermann has beaten O'Reilly in the ratings. There have been other nights where he has come pretty close to it, and/or has beaten him in certain ratings demographics. You can have your higher ratings, I'll stick with Olbermann and Maddow. They may not be perfect, but they don't lie the way those three jokes do.

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      • Author by imagephreak (May 08, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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        Define "more intellectual discussions" as they differ from the ones that Hannity, O', and Beck have. Also, please give an example of the lies that are coming from fox, also, when you use name calling, you discredit yourself very badly. NJGuy, I assume that you are a younger person, most likely in your 20's, possibly living very close to a large city.
        If I were you, I would ask you to look at the "proggresive or intellectual" movement of the 1890's, and how many of the theories of social advancment, in regards to government interference actually caused more economic problems in the name of "advancement" than it did good. Basically, the leftist theories, pushed by talking heads such as Olbermann, have long been disproven even so far as over 100 years ago. The only reason they have been brough back to the forefront is, the struggle for power that the Democratic party has and its ability to make an old disproven theory look new again among more easily influenced, younger intellectual constituency. Also, being hateful on blogs while spouting generalizations of the population, only identifies your bigotry.
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        • Author by patisok6357 (May 08, 2009 8:33 pm ET)
             
          By your thinking we should be rolling in dough right now with so many years of GOP rule and fiscal policies. I am not in my 20s but my 60s, I live in rural Oregon. So do not classify folks on blog entries.

          Fox lies well, there are so many. Most are really half truths and then there are just funny stupid things they dwell on like mustard on a hamberger. Sometimes they just go over the top for the GOP without ever getting the view of the otherside. They tend to yell at guests not really talk to them or discuss things with them. I am sure you feel srongly that Reganomics is the ticket but the last two years shows the fallacy in that therory too. We have to adapt and changeour fiscal outlook as time marches on...the GOP really does not do that well. They started a listening campaign one day last week and a few days later after Rush corrected them say not it was not a listenign tour. That is why they look so bad to voters right now. They don't know who they are and Fox I don't think does either. Hope over hate any day.
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        • Author by njguy93 (May 09, 2009 5:11 am ET)
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          Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly play to a certain type of audience, as does the network they appear on. They generally regurgitate Republican talking points, often discredited ones. If you need examples of lies coming from FOX NEWS CHANNEL at this point, then I don't know what to tell you. This website is a great resource, obviously.
          Switch around 1890's to 1980's and you have a great example of an era of policies that helped to sow the seeds of what is going on today. The idea of massive deregulation was tried. Wall Street was left alone for many years and this is the result. The Reagan Era is over in a way. Reaganomics is largely responsible for the mess we are in today. George H.W. Bush was right when he called it "voodoo economics." Sadly, Bill Clinton didn't help either. He signed into law the bill that repealed Glass-Steagall, a bill which was pushed through by Phil Gramm and the Republican Congress a decade ago. There were quite a few Democrats who spoke out against the repeal of Glass-Steagall.
          As far as the sub-prime mortgages going to lower-income individuals and families, it was the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration that endorsed that. Republicans and conservatives (including Sean Hannity who loves to bring this up) seem to conveniently forget that it was President George W. Bush who also endorsed that plan, with things like the Home Ownership Society.
          As far as spouting generalizations, anyone who at this point still needs examples of FOX NEWS CHANNEL being deceitful or anything other than a propoganda arm of the Republican National Committee and conservatives is pretty much in that category that falls withing generalizing.

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    • Author by Max Wedgeford (May 10, 2009 7:12 pm ET)
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      FOX NEWS has so much influence, couldn't you tell in the last 2 elections how well the Republican party did with their run away victories...
      FAUX and Murdoch are nothing more than a propagadanda machine for the right wing element and the term for GOP has now taken on a new meaning "Goin Outta Power"
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