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Time's Klein rips Limbaugh for "on a daily basis ... delivering misinformation, lies to a large audience in America"

May 10, 2009 11:57 am ET

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    • Author by LuvLuLu (May 10, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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      Joe Klein says that Limbaugh lies, and Howard Kurtz, good ole Howard Kurtz, says that "LIES" make be too strong a word to use to describe what Limbaugh does.

      No, Howard, it's not. Lie means purposefully telling a falsehood with the intent to deceive. I think it's undeniable that Limbaugh does that on a regular basis. Sure, lots of what he does is simply the misinformation that Klein first mentioned. But Rush also lies.

      I listen to Rush on a regular basis, mostly because he has repeatedly said over the last 21 years that his critics don't listen to him, and I am angered by that lie! Rush lied about Obama's comment about home values a few weeks ago. Rush lied when he said that Obama was Arab-American, not African-American. Limbaugh knew the truth, but told a falsehood to deceive his listeners in order to associate Obama with Muslims and Arabs, the two groups the Bush Administration tried desperately to stereotype as people whom US citizens had to fear.

      Limbaugh lied time after time after time in the aftermath of Katrina. MMfA documented some of those lies here - http://mediamatters.org/research/200509120008
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      • Author by nerzog (May 11, 2009 10:01 am ET)
           
        You're absolutely right. I have listened to Rush off and on for 16 years, and he lays down whoppers end to end, every day. That's what he's paid to do.

        The problem has always been that the only people challenging him were dismissed as "leftists" with an agenda of their own.

        The MSM has been very reluctant to state the obvious: Rush is a paid propagandist for the Republican Party.
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        • Author by essbird (May 11, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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          I was with you until the last. But I think Rush and his ilk are actually paid by the same figures who ALSO pay the Republican party. And rest assured, if the Republican party is a non-starter, that money will be coming at Democrats.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 11, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
               
            Maybe, but there is no denying that Rush carries water for the Republican party, despite his protestations to the contrary.

            It has been documented in various articles that he was less partisan before Poppy Bush let him spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom. After that, he was a shameless cheerleader for the GOP.

            I know there's no proof of a quid pro quo... but it does look a bit suspicious...
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            • Author by essbird (May 12, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
                 
              The quid is the broadcasting platform that guarantees his market coverage through the broadcast oligopoly, and the ensuing ad revenue. The quo is to attack any idea differing from the talking points prepared by the talking-point politburo. You should hear him ripping Powell today.

              If you don't know who Richard Mellon Scaife is, Google him. Or the Hunt Brothers. Or Adolph and Joseph Coors. And those are just individuals, let alone what corporations do. Follow the money.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (May 11, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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          I hear you saying he lies, but yet to see one posted. Klien, from the Times, the same mag that has put Obama on the cover 13 times in less then a year. Sure, he is bias!
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          • Author by jawill11 (May 12, 2009 6:17 am ET)
               
            Markbfoot, if you go to the searchbar at the top of the page and type in Limbaugh, you will find hundreds, possibly thousands of instances of MMFA catching Rush in a lie.

            To be on this site and say that there are no posted instances of him lying is just willful ignorance.
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      • Author by C S N (May 11, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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        Agreed LuvLuLu!
        Was a life-long Republican; 50 years voting "R" until last year.
        Person that CHANGED MY LIFE was Rush Limbaugh!
        (Guess I owe him for that!!!)
        Started in Primary campaign when he launched Operation Chaos, and urged all Repubs to vote for Hillary, even if they must change their registration to Democrat for the primary voting.
        After all the years of ranting against the Clinton Administration, I thought it to be hypocritical-grossly unfair for him to ask us to vote for her!
        Myself, didn't see how Republican Party could win this election!
        If we had to have a Democrat for President, I'd rather that it be this bright young man!
        I liked to listen to Barack Obama speeches during the primaries too.
        Started visiting Obama Blog warning people there about Operation Chaos, and soon found myself liking them a whole lot!
        Pretty soon, found myself liking Sen. Barack Obama a WHOLE lot too, and then became a supporter!
        I'm an older white woman, so was NOT "because of color" as Rush constantly berates General Colin Powell for supporting Barack Obama!
        Now I continue to work for PRESIDENT Barack Obama's policies, and hope he will succeed for America's sake!
        No longer Republican!
        Thanks Rush!
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (May 11, 2009 5:42 pm ET)
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          You have no idea behind the meaning of Chaos, the idea was to keep the campaign going longer so the public could see who Obama really was, the longer the campaign goes on the more we would learn. Did not matter looking back, you all voted for a man who can read, with not real experience, you were star struck. Second, in many of the early primaries there were many, many Dems that were out voting for McCain so he would win, knowing he could not beat either Hillary or Obama, so the idea was to give them the same thing they gave us.
          You may have been a "R", but not a conservative.
          Wow, a supporter for a socialist leaning leader, again, you were never a conservative.
          Yes thanks Rush for helping a moderate leave the party, you fall into the same party as Specter and McCain. I am sure in no time flat you will have your hand out looking for benefits, looking for him to provide you a job. Looking for the government to provide, thanks for leaving the party.
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    • Author by eyeswideopen1 (May 10, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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      Who is this twit saying "it's inappropriate". Listen to Limbaugh for about 5 minutes and you will hear "inappropriate".
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    • Author by tonyrich300 (May 10, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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      What is wrong with these rethuglicans? It is comedy, laugh for God's sake. Rush Limbaugh spews lies everyday on the radio and the republicans like it
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      • Author by nerzog (May 11, 2009 11:49 am ET)
           
        You raise a valid point. When the small time Talk Radio Troglodytes spew lies and slanders about Liberals, the Republicans tell us to "get over it... it's only a joke".

        Now that their heroes are getting skewered in what is obviously a comedy routine, they're hyperventilating.

        It turns out that bullies are usually very thin skinned.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (May 10, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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      Limbaugh lies daily.

      Of course republicans tell the same lies
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    • Author by mybrotherskeeper (May 10, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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      Let's try to hold Howard Kurtz to his promise: "Lies is a strong word, but we'll come back to that at another time."
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      • Author by Martha (May 10, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
           
        Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, but words like communist, marxist, perpetrator of infanticide, and oh I love this one; Obama is terrorist attack number 2; Obama is the follow-up to 9-11"!

        Has a sitting president EVER been spoken about this way before, on a national broadcast?

        Oh yes Mr. Crust, I mean Kurtz, let us never use a weighty word such as "liar" and aim it at "the one whose ring you must kiss" Rush Limbaugh.

        I am growing VERY suspicious the Rush knows a lot of "stuff" about a lot of folks, including Mr. Kurtz.

        So far Wanda Sykes has been the ONLY media personality to directly, harshly attack Rush, without fear.

        Even Olberman goes after Obama and Hannity with much more fervor than he aims at Rush.
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    • Author by juliajayne (May 10, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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      Wanda Sykes at the White House Correspondents' Dinner:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyRog2w4DI&NR=1

      Funny funny stuff. Though I'm sure there'll be a lot of hay made regarding her references to Rush Limbaugh being the 20th hijacker.

      POW, especially, will find the Sean Hannity reference amusing. Hi Blondie blue ;-)
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      • Author by princeofwheels (May 10, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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        JJ, Hello there..
        Now, SeannieTheUnrepentantLiarAboutWaterboardingSissyBoy will first compliment Wanda Sykes saying all was in good fun. Within minutes, he'll have one of his Cavalcade of Stars appear, Dickie Morris, Annie C or Dennis Miller and explain to us that when they say these things, they are vilified by the MSM. Then, TheSissyBoy will stand up and be the SissyBoy that he really aspires to be and get after Ms. Sykes.
        Seannie, be careful..this woman is a comediene and will be sought after by many people to defend herself. She will continue to talk through her humor, about you and, my darling SissyBoy you will be the brunt of her jokes. So, Sean, please stay out of this one. Let the Oxycotin Kid do his own bidding. I am sure he'll be a man about it, for a while, but then he'll attack as usual.
        Ms. Sykes was being kind in a manner of speaking by not attacking Ann Coulter.
        But her crack about Limbaugh being so stoned that he couldn't board the plane was not proper. He just didn't hear the announcement that the plane was boarding.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 10, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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          If Sean tries to attack Wanda Sykes, he will find out what humor really is. She has the ability, like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, to slice and dice an opponent so deftly they don't realize they're hurt until they try to walk away afterward and pieces of themselves start falling off.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 11, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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            She'd eat Sean for lunch. Sean is good at intimidating the nervous liberal callers that get through to his radio show, but he's virtually unarmed in a battle of wits with somebody who's actually seen a microphone before.

            Even Alan Colmes could make Sean look like an idiot when he really wanted to.
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        • Author by essbird (May 11, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
             
          You're right on, princeofwheels. I'd love to see Rushie go after Wanda. She'll eat his lunch in front of everyone but the worshipping dittoheads. Kind of like what happened to Cramer when he engaged with Jon Stewart. A comedian has little to lose, and Rush has little to win.
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    • Author by ewl94232 (May 10, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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      That's odd ... I know of Klein as a chronic prevaricator. This is a person I wouldn't trust to tell me the time of day. Whereas, Rush is a paragon of truth.

      I think this might be one of those cases where we each find those who agree with us unimpeachable, while those who disagree with us are "the worst person in the world."

      I do find that on a rare occasion I believe Rush's emphasis on a detail, or his interpretation of the most significant implication of an issue or statement varies from my own. But Rush, besides having a dynamic and well funded research back up, is actually very seldom wrong in his facts. Partisan outlets of the opposition often try to make it look like he's wrong, but it's as often easy to point out the flaws in their reasoning or inadequacy of their foundational information.

      Rush attracts a following by doing what some refer to as "speaking to power." He intentionally presents politically incorrect and untempered exposes of the cupidity of the establishment Left. His critics are offended by so frank a presentation and go to great lengths to attempt to discredit him. In their own jaded minds they succeed. But Rush is a part of a growing awakening that cannot be silenced by ill-supported and ill-reasoned slanders no matter how often and loudly they're repeated.

      Thank goodness we have speakers like Rush Limbaugh to expose and discomfit those who would strip us of the protections that have preserved our freedoms and relegate us to the role numbers in the demographic machinations of their schemes to control and manipulate our lives.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 11, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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        Wow. That's either some brilliant satire or shear insanity!
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        • Author by mjh (May 11, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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          I'm gonna go with the latter.

          These dittoheads have to protect their master, y'know . . .
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      • Author by peebs755 (May 11, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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        It's got to be a joke. If not, this person needs lots of help.
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      • Author by fantagor (May 11, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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        This has to be satire. No sane or insane person would seriously claim Rush has ever researched anything but the limits of the human body's tolerance for cholesterol and high powered pharmaceuticals.

        Randy
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      • Author by solon (May 11, 2009 5:20 pm ET)
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        Did you REALLY say Rush was a paragon of truth? Man you make delusional into an artform
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      • Author by RedRightHand (May 12, 2009 9:04 am ET)
           
        Note that this poster never said "speaking truth to power."
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    • Author by dmhack (May 10, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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      There was a time that I enjoyed Reliable Sources, but not so much now. Howie rarely challenges any of the GOP bobbleheads when they spout their misinformation and lies, but, like today, takes issue with someone suggesting Rush lies. Come on! Even Republicans know Rush lies when the truth doesn't fit his agenda.
      Between Howie batting for the other team and Morning Joe showing up on Meet the Press, I'm going to have some free time on Sunday mornings.
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    • Author by mk3872 (May 10, 2009 6:35 pm ET)
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      Howie's just covering for himself by trying to dissociate from calling Rush a liar. He doesn't want to get burned by the conservative noise machine on Monday morning.
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    • Author by franky (May 11, 2009 12:21 am ET)
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      Good to see somebody on the MSM actually say that the king has no clothes. Now to protect himself, will Limbaugh and his gang be able to squeeze Klein's bosses to get an apology or worse? If not will the floodgates open?
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      • Author by nerzog (May 11, 2009 9:16 am ET)
           
        I agree. This has been a long time coming; the MSM has given him a pass for years. At best, they have acknowledged that he is "controversial".

        The best way to combat liars like Limbaugh is to shine a spotlight on them, and simply point out what they're lying about.

        If the press would do this diligently, Limbaugh's audience and support would eventually wither down to the few nutbags who actually think he's some kind of populist hero.... the same 12% who still like Darth Cheney.
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        • Author by twseattle (May 11, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
             
          If there was ever a chance of finding someone on one of these blowhard shows who did not believe Limbaughs success over-arches his methods, there would be a chance of real critique. But they all are chasing media careers with dollar signs in their eyes. Rush gets lots of dollars, automatically he becomes legitimate. They believe he must be some kind of genius to be so rich and, if asked, would all profess admiration for his winning formula. The very fact we are talking about him shows his mastery.

          He even gets pea-brains to defend him when attacked. 'Inappropriate?', what about femi-nazi's? What about claiming Michael J Fox was faking it? The ultimate angry white male getting a boost from this blonde suit is proof. If inappropriate was really this ding-dong's standard, She would have dismissed Limbaugh as undefendable a long time ago.
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        • Author by ewl94232 (May 11, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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          You dream! If the press shown a true spotlight on Rush's broadcasts, instead of a lazer beam focused on little snipits and trying to squeeze them into something they can mischaracterize as misinformation, you'd be looking at an America that finds the Left the sorry shadow of an altrernative it really is.

          You can prove this to yourself. Instead of relying on MMFA and the mostly Leftist MSM to give you their Bowdlerian version of Rush, listen to his program yourself. But beware, at first you'll think you've tuned in the wrong guy because what you'll hear won't show much resemblance to what you've been told.
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          • Author by peebs755 (May 11, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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            I listen to him almost every morning. The guy is an unmitigated liar. He smears and distorts, and misrepresents through his whole show. This whole "you don't listen, so you don't know" stuff is laughable. Its also a silly defense, because all you have to do IS tune in and listen, which I do. He's worse than the things I read about him.
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          • Author by twseattle (May 11, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
               
            Unfortunately the Teenage 'you just don't get me' defense does not work on those who actually know what they talk about. I listen to the bloviating Rush all the time just to refute the other bullies who try to paint the electoral map red. Personally, I find it aimed at those with about a seventh-grade intellectual level and daddy complexes (caution, the truth may hurt). Never been able to decide if it's hilarious or extremely sad how attached people become to him.

            Along with his apparently forgiveable drug addiction (zero tolerance anyone?) - tens of thousands of dollars involved - When will we find out about this guys tax dodges? So rich and patriotic how about coughing up a little something extra for the troops, Rush? The hypocrisy flowing from this guy to all the sponge-brianed dittoheads for thier daily programming is what makes violations of basic american principles like NO TORTURE possible.
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          • Author by LuvLuLu (May 11, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
               
            Actually, if you could read, you'd see that I began this conversation by saying I listen to Rush all the time, and I gave several examples of Rush lying.

            It's people like you who listen to what other people tell you rather than coming to conclusions on your own.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 11, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
               
            I, too, have listened to Rush for years. Not every day, I admit. Maybe I just never tuned in when the rational, reasonable Rush was on.
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          • Author by fantagor (May 11, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
               
            Rationalization after rationalization. Rush is a habitual liar. If he took to the truth half as eagerly as Oxycontin, he'd be a paragon of journalism instead of the waddling whack-a-loon of right wing hysteria. All his lies laid end to end would encircle the globe ten times. His appeal is simple: he feeds his audience bull because they, like Rush, cannot countenance the truth, that conservatism is worse than a bankrupt ideology but a false ideology to beard selfishness and greed.

            Randy
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          • Author by mjh (May 11, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
               
            " . . . you'd be looking at an America that finds the Left the sorry shadow of an altrernative it really is."


            Um, right . . . that must be why Obama received over 66 million votes and only 21% of the population identifies themselves as "Republican" . . .

            Gotta admit, ewl . . . you're a better comedy writer than whoever was writing that Fox late nite show, Red Eye . . .


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          • Author by robrob (May 11, 2009 11:37 pm ET)
               
            "If the press shown a true spotlight on Rush's broadcasts, instead of a lazer beam focused on little snipits"

            What part of full, in context, verbatim quotes do you find difficult to understand?
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    • Author by TheThief672 (May 11, 2009 12:40 am ET)
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      Lies is a strong word and an appropriate word to describe Limbaugh daily rants of disinformation. In defense of Wanda Sykes, I myself have performed stand-up comedy and any stand-up knows the rules.
      1) Commit to the joke
      2) Go thru the joke
      3) and Never apologize for telling the joke.

      This was just perfect comedy from a great comedy writer/stand-up.
      BRAVO!
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