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O'Reilly says Sebelius is "pro-abortion, she wants the babies done for"

May 11, 2009 9:53 pm ET

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 11, 2009 10:35 pm ET)
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      O'Reilly says many stupid things. This is yet another of them.
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    • Author by LuvLuLu (May 11, 2009 11:21 pm ET)
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      Abortions don't "kill" any baby.

      It's not a baby. It's a fetus. Those on the right twist the meaning of a legal medical procedure, abortion, to pretend that babies are killed in an abortion. They aren't.

      Just like they twisted the meaning of "torture" to pretend they weren't torturing suspected terrorists.

      Then, top that off with the fact that no one I know who is pro-abortion wants any woman to have an abortion. We want women to have a right to have an abortion if she thinks it's the right thing to do. We don't demand any woman have an abortion. We don't cheer when they happen. We want them to be rare. It'd be a wonderful world if every pregnancy were desired and healthy and every woman was able to continue every pregnancy full term and give birth to a healthy child.

      But since that utopia will never exist, we want women who feel like they need to have an abortion to have that right. That's what being pro-abortion is. We don't want any fetus "done for". We want the women to have the right to control their own bodies.
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 12, 2009 1:16 am ET)
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        Yes and as long as a toe remains inside the mother,Sebelius will classify it as a fetus and she will support the abortion. And then take more money from the abortion industry. And who needs parental notification, not Sebelius.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (May 12, 2009 3:21 am ET)
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          Please supply the link "fair" liberal where Sebelius has made an ruling or statement supporting your statment that as long as a toe remains inside the mother Sebelius will classify it as a fetus. Otherwise we will assume you are merely a pathetic smear merchant.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 12, 2009 8:16 am ET)
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          Shullbit.
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        • Author by harley (May 12, 2009 8:28 am ET)
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          faillibrul finally proves once and for all that she isn't playing stupid, in fact, faillibrul is actually this stupid.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 12, 2009 9:38 am ET)
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            (Oh... farilib is a she? I... well I guess I really didn't give it much thought.) Do I get any feminist cred for the fact that I assumed someone who regularly posts such moronic stuff simply HAD to be a man?
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (May 12, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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              I'm with you. I guess I really had no idea, but I was assuming so one who was so steadfast in their incorrect assumptions had to be a man.
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      • Author by egb (May 12, 2009 2:45 am ET)
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        "Twist the meaning" and "twisted meaning": isn't that what progressives love about the Supreme Court and the Roe v Wade
        decision? After all no competent legal scholar has ever been able to duplicate Brennan's logic. The only way to do it is to "twist the meaning" of the 14-th Amendment and a few others.

        As for "torture" please point out where in US Law waterboarding is defined as torture. If waterboarding is torture, then what is life in prison? What is solitary confinement for life?

        Sebelius had extensive unreported financial links with the doctor who aborted live babies as they were being born. How many people could even watch such a procedure? Some of the "patients" were underage --- so he also protected child molestors by not reporting the pregnancy. That is so disgusting that to accept money from such a fiend indicates to me she approves of the procedure.
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        • Author by neon desert (May 12, 2009 7:26 am ET)
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          From the Geneva Conventions Article 17, an international agreement to which the U.S. is a signatory:

          "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."


          It's hard to believe that someone who could be aware of Sibelius' "unreported" financial links would have trouble with language as plain as that.
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          • Author by fairliberal (May 12, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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            Of course there is other language to consider also [edit] Qualifications
            To be entitled to prisoner-of-war status, captured service members must be lawful combatants entitled to combatant's privilege—which gives them immunity from punishment for crimes constituting lawful acts of war, e.g., killing enemy troops. To qualify under the Third Geneva Convention, a combatant must have conducted military operations according to the laws and customs of war, be part of a chain of command, wear a "fixed distinctive marking, visible from a distance" and bear arms openly.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war
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            • Author by IowaDem (May 12, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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              Well, in that case, they are not POWs they should be held as regular criminals subject to our laws regarding innocence until proven guilty, the use of a lawyer, etc, etc. It doesn't mean they are then entitled to LESS protection because they are designated as POWs?
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              • Author by fairliberal (May 12, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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                Don't blame me, I did not write the Geneva Convention or the references in Wikipedia either, I am just pointing out that the references that you have made are incomplete and that there is more to the story. Here is something else to consider , right from the Geneva Convention. [edit] Common Article 2
                Article 2 specifies which parties are bound, and under what circumstances.

                That any armed conflict between two or more "High Contracting Parties" is covered;
                That it applies to occupations of a "High Contracting Party";
                That the relationship between the "High Contracting Parties" and a non-signatory, the party will remain bound until the non-signatory no longer acts under the strictures of the convention. "...Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof." .............
                Do the people we are dealing with conform to the strictures of the convention?
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                • Author by IowaDem (May 12, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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                  Agree, I have no grief with what you wrote. You are simply quoting the document. My response is related to our treatment of said "detainees". Since "Al-Queda" is not a signatory then they should be held to a different standard, namely a legal standard like any other criminal, right? Therefore, they should be "Mirandized", arrested, provided access to a lawyer and be given a chance to defend themselves in a court of law and face their accuser. Sound good?

                  Unless you are trying to say that we declared "War" on...well, a group of people with no nationality or base of operations or other means of identification? Thus giving us free reign to treat them as sub-humans (like they treat us) and shed all vestiges of civility and become like the terrorists we abhor? Are you?
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                  • Author by fairliberal (May 13, 2009 1:45 am ET)
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                    The rights that you refer to are the rights of US citizens or people in our country, who are subject to our laws and the benificiaries of our rights. Since these people were apprehended in a foreign country and are not citizens, and they have taken up arms against us and are classified as "illegal combatants" , they are not entitled to the same rights. It is clear from the writings in the Geneva Conventions that this was clear to the authors of the documents themselves as it was addressed. And while I do not condone torture, I would not hesitate to use the methods that have been under scrutiny if I truly believed that they would save lives. And I believe it is also quite hypocritical for politicians , some of whom were aware of the methods and did not speak up , to be using the issue for political purposes at this time. At the same time I do respect the position of those who strongly disagree with me, some of whom have been quite eloquent in their disagreement.
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            • Author by neon desert (May 12, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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              In other words, to make it a fair war, the enemy has to behave and look like us. Because, after all, those who aren't like us are worthy of torture and inhumane treatment. Seems there was a guy started back in the 30's who felt the same way.

              Tell me, fairliberal: In this "war" we're in, what do the standard issue fatigues of the enemy look like?
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    • Author by Max Credits (May 12, 2009 12:11 am ET)
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      I'm almost impressed that Bill O'Reilly, with his "she wants the babies done for" line, is actually able to maintain increasingly stupider rhetoric with each passing day. He must poop wisdom.
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      • Author by ProgLib (May 13, 2009 5:24 am ET)
           
        i think the more viewers he has, the more he assumes that hes doing things right... which is ridiculous in itself. as long as he gets people watching, he just keeps on chugging with his propaganda and hate.
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    • Author by Luis81 (May 12, 2009 12:14 am ET)
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      once again the faux news is misenterpretting pro-choice with baby killing.
      The issue isn't that liberals want "the babies done for..." that's disingenuous.
      It's about the government NOT telling an individual what they can or can't do with their body.
      In essence this is more about limiting the governments role in our most personal aspects of life.You would think that Republicans would be FOR pro-choice rather than vehemently babbling on,and on about expanding the governments role in the private affairs of it's citizens.
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    • Author by pete592 (May 12, 2009 12:47 am ET)
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      Someone forgot to remind Sebelius that she's pro-abortion. During her tenure as governor, Kansas' abortion rate went down.
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    • Author by MickD (May 12, 2009 1:04 am ET)
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      Nobody is pro abortion. Rational and pragmatic people are pro-choice. I hate when that is thrown out blithely.
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      • Author by mk3872 (May 12, 2009 2:24 am ET)
           
        MickD - Dude, if you really hate it when the right-wing noise machine makes that claim, that you are in for a loooooooong 4 years ...

        Notice how Alan Keyes & Fox News are saying the same about Obama and exploiting that for his Notre Dame speech.

        This is another strawman argument: if you do not outright BAN abortion, then you are FOR abortion in these teenie, tiny, little brains of theirs.

        Nevermind that the majority of Americans regularly poll in support of free choice and that the Supreme Court upholds this right.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 12, 2009 8:20 am ET)
           
        I know. I personally think abortion is a highly immorral act. Something I'd certainly consider a SIN, were I a more religious man. The differecne between me (pro-choice) and the conservative (anti-everything they don't like) is that I don't suffer from the mental illness that requries that I infect my opinion onto eveyone else, outlawing everything I don't like, even when someone else doing (whatever it is) doesn't affect me one iota.
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    • Author by mk3872 (May 12, 2009 2:21 am ET)
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      ... AND I heard she wants to turn all heterosexuals into gays and make gay marriage MANDATORY for ALL marriages!
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    • Author by Leftym0m79 (May 12, 2009 9:47 am ET)
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      Oh, what dreck. No one supports abortion up until the moment of birth. That's just absurd. If we could overturn all of the abstinence only "education" and actually teach our kids how their bodies work and how to keep them safe, that would be a step in the direction of making abortions rare.
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    • Author by IowaDem (May 12, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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      Could anyone please remind the ignorant (ie. O'lielly) that Roe v. Wade did not make abortion legal. The case was about the doctor/patient relationship. In order for the Government to stop an abortion, they would have to know that you were getting one, i.e. someone would have to have access to your medical records without your consent. Roe v. Wade upheld the sanctity of doctor/patient confidentiality, thus allowing our medical decisions to be made by a doctor and oursleves, period. You overturn Roe v. Wade and the Government would have the right to invade your privacy and your medical records for whatever purposes they chose. Is that what these people want?
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    • Author by HarryLaw (May 12, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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      Bill, can you really say "she wants babies done for" for with a straight face? The only thing you left out is that all democrats are baby killers? President Obama has said many times that know one is pro-abortion! You saying that Sebelius wants babies done for is asinine! Are you trying to say she is a serial killer, along with all pro-choice people?
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    • Author by ProgLib (May 13, 2009 5:21 am ET)
         
      billo's hyperbole is ludicrous... always making a big thing out of nothing. he has to exaggerate it that way for his gullible viewers. without that, hes got nothing.
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