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Black helicopter sighting: Limbaugh warns that "national healthcare ... is the entrée to controlling every aspect of your life"

May 13, 2009 2:10 pm ET

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    • Author by jbrantow (May 13, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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      but limbag was fine with illegal wiretapping. What a hypocrite.
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      • Author by mjh (May 13, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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        . . . and suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, and extraordinary rendition . . .
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    • Author by Leftym0m79 (May 13, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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      Because you see how oppressed the Germans, Brits, Spanish, and French are.
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    • Author by TheDayV (May 13, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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      Once again, as a Canadian living with a universal healthcare system, this is flat-out false.
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      • Author by garcut (May 13, 2009 5:03 pm ET)
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        Canada's health care myth: You can read the full article at http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/columnists/story.html?id=1536949

        Dr. Keith Martin, Special to The Windsor Star
        Published: Monday, April 27, 2009
        Contrary to public opinion, Canada does not have "the best health care system in the world." We actually rank 26th, and yet have the fifth highest expenditures for health care.

        When Europeans hear that Canadians tolerate atrocious waiting lists of nine to 12 months or more for care, and endure the pain, suffering and loss of function that accompanies these wait times, they are shocked.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 13, 2009 7:32 pm ET)
             
          So you're supporting a more European system than a Canadian one?
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        • Author by LuvLuLu (May 14, 2009 12:34 am ET)
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          Of the world's top 20 national health care systems, 17 are European.

          These word leaders share some common traits: They all have mixed systems that combine both public and private providers; everyone is covered; no one is hurt financially when they fall ill, and there is the widespread use of information technology, which improves efficiency and reduces errors and cost.

          XXX

          Just what Obama is calling for here.

          But even Canada's system is better than the USA's, and less expensive than the USA's too!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 14, 2009 2:01 am ET)
               
            Thanx, LLL. I was just funning with garcut's unintentional pratfall. In trying to denigrate the Canadian system , he cited Europeans' shock at how inferior the Canadian system is.

            He seemed to have forgotten that the righty talking point is to demonize the European system, not frame it as superior to the Canadian system,which is better than ours (that is, if you believe an actual Canadian over somebody linking to a Canadian paper slamming their system).
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            • Author by TheDayV (May 14, 2009 8:42 am ET)
                 
              He does raise a valid point, which is that some Canadians think that our system needs improvements and wait times is a common fault that gets pointed out.

              However, citing a doctor doesn't help him because doctors could easily make more money in a non-universal healthcare system. That shouldn't be taken to mean that they don't make enough money (the family doctor I had til i was about 15 or so drove a nice big shiny black mercedes). The way I understand it, doctors get paid according to the effort they put into the system. If they take on lots of patients, they get more money. If they perform more procedures, they get more money. By de-nationalizing the system, doctors would be able to charge substantially higher fees. So citing a doctor's opinion about the state of the healthcare system in Canada risks citing a biased opinion.

              Finally, we're going off topic. Rush was saying thst national healthcare is the next step to social control. Unless you're a doctor, he's completely wrong. And even then, it's not social control: if anything, I'd say it's providing the user (patients) with more power over the system (doctors).
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    • Author by garcut (May 13, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
         
      Anyone who does not believe that government health care will not lead to more control of our lives are kidding themselves. Just look at the justification for seat belt and helmet laws, the government says that these are needed to keep the rest of us from paying for their medical care. Also look at the banning of palm oil for popcorn, msg, higher taxes on cigarettes and liquor. Now they are talking about a tax on soft drinks. Any behavior that someone decides will lead to higher health costs will be fair game. You will just have to hope that something you like or want to do isn't the next thing targeted.
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      • Author by harley (May 13, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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        Just look at the justification for seat belt and helmet laws, the government says that these are needed to keep the rest of us from paying for their medical care.


        How does a helmet and/or seat belt adversely effect your life and infringe on your freedoms?

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        • Author by garcut (May 13, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
             
          Whenever government makes a law for your own good it has to be enforced and if you can not pay your ticket you can go to jail and if you resist you can be hurt or killed, all in the name of protecting you from yourself. All I am saying is that freedom can be lost in small steps.

          "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783

          "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington
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          • Author by TheDayV (May 13, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
               
            "Whenever government makes a law for your own good...."

            The idea behind laws is that they are created solely 'for your own good' in democratic societies. If you're breaking the law, then you're doing something that's either not good for you (drunk driving, for example) or not good for society (let's go with a big one like treason).

            Laws are not created for the simple purpose of restricting your freedoms. They are created to maximize the freedoms you, and everyone else around you, can experience in a society. This is all based on the social contract. Read Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau.
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            • Author by garcut (May 13, 2009 6:21 pm ET)
                 
              Oh you mean like the laws on drug use or maybe the ones that existed that said one man could own another, or the ones used to lock up Japanese Americans during the war? Are these based on the social contract? I don't care which party is in power, government has to always be watched by the governed.

              "In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
              - Thomas Jefferson

              They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
              - Benjamin Franklin
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              • Author by TheDayV (May 13, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
                   
                Fine. Keep your eyes open. As a universal healthcare user, I can tell you right now what you're going to see: Nothing.
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              • Author by LuvLuLu (May 14, 2009 12:41 am ET)
                   
                Laws on drug use? There is a (misguided) belief that illegal drug users are terribly dangerous to society. Again, when your actions start infringing on the rights of others to not be burdened by your stupidity, then it's okay to impign upon your right to be stupid.

                Laws that allowed someone to own someone else? Wrong laws.

                Laws that stop people from forcing me to pay for their stupidity when they fail to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt? Great laws, totally appropriate in our society. Give ME the freedom to not pay for YOUR stupidity. Don't take away my freedom, and force me to pay for your stupidity!!!!!
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          • Author by shaggles (May 13, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
               
            I assume you felt the same way about the Patriot Act then.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 13, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
               
            "Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump

            Maybe you would prefer Somalia... I understand that it's a Libertarian utopia over there.
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          • Author by LuvLuLu (May 14, 2009 12:37 am ET)
               
            Whenever government makes a law for your own good it has to be enforced and if you can not pay your ticket you can go to jail and if you resist you can be hurt or killed, all in the name of protecting you from yourself. All I am saying is that freedom can be lost in small steps. - GarCut

            You have the freedom to do what you want until you start infringing on the rights of others. When you fail to use a seatbelt or a helmet, you infringe upon the rights of other people to not have to pay for your stupidity!! It's not for your own good. In Texas, if you can prove you have insurance so that if you crack your head open because you were too stubborn to wear a helmet, your insurance pays for your care, you can ride without a helmet!
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      • Author by solon (May 13, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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        Oh the oppression of not getting to have palm oil on your popcorn. I am sure the Gestapo is right around the corner
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 13, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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          Har! Cut it out Solon, you'll get a Hurt Feelings Report filed on you for picking on the wingnuts like that.

          There's a part of this clip that boils down to its essence what it takes to be a dittohead. Rush lays out his slippery slope regarding the swingset and the tv on the wall, a bunch of wild silly speculation based on his own paranoia. And he follows this ridiculous fantasy with (and I quote):

          "I'm not making this up !"

          When, of course, he's completely making it up.But he only has to tell his monkeys that his delusions are fact, and they'll be furiously creating mass emails based on the BS.
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    • Author by malleron (May 13, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
         
      Actually the entree into every aspect of your life isn't national healthcare; it's children. Have a child and notice how interested everyone suddenly is about what you do, what you believe in, where you go, who you associate with, how much money you make, and what you do for fun. And that's assuming you're married when you have kids. If you're a single parent, the scrutiny gets dialed up to 11.

      Thus, the most effective method to minimizing government interference in your life is practicing birth control.
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    • Author by nerzog (May 13, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
         
      Has this happened in other countries where they have national healthcare? Don't the French still eat some of the most fattening food in the world?

      Rush is lucky to have such a big a$$... he can pull a lot of material for his show out of it.
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    • Author by pyratepete (May 13, 2009 6:39 pm ET)
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      Yeah! Government will control EVERYTHING! Like deciding who I can marry, deciding for my wife whether she wants to have a baby or not, deciding which religions will be tolerated, they will start putting people in jail for no reason if they disagree wtih them, they will torture people until they confess to crimes they haven't comitted....

      What a minute.... isn't that what Rush thinks are good ideaa? Aren't those the things he keeps blathering on about?

      Which way is it Rush? Government deciding for us or the freedom to choose what we want? I think we exerciesed that freedom in november and decided that we didn't wnat you right wing nut bars running things.
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    • Author by pyratepete (May 13, 2009 8:00 pm ET)
         
      Yeah! Government will control EVERYTHING! Like deciding who I can marry, deciding for my wife whether she wants to have a baby or not, deciding which religions will be tolerated, they will start putting people in jail for no reason if they disagree wtih them, they will torture people until they confess to crimes they haven't comitted....

      What a minute.... isn't that what Rush thinks are good ideaa? Aren't those the things he keeps blathering on about?

      Which way is it Rush? Government deciding for us or the freedom to choose what we want? I think we exerciesed that freedom in november and decided that we didn't wnat you right wing nut bars running things.
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