Hasselback runs with dubious conservative talking point that without KSM interrogation, "We would have had another hole in the ground in Los Angeles"
May 14, 2009 4:04 pm ET
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Randy
I guess Husslecrap got away with it.
By all indications, these interrogations were a fishing expedition to find out if these guys would give up some secrets, or could be forced to implicate Saddam in 9/11. Darth Cheney claims that it "saved lives", but we don't have any evidence to back that up.
If solid evidence of that comes forth, then maybe I'll concede your point.
At least he is showing some prudence in that regard.
Have you ever known a victim of torture? Have you ever spent time with someone who was captured treated humanely and then decided to work for our side? I didn't think so.
Waterboarding is torture and torture is illegal.
And the mushroom cloud you refer to may be here in America if we follow the genteel methods of the left. Would you like a cookie with your latte, khalid.
And how dare you question the behavior of our military and intelligence personnel by saying we haven't always been squeaky clean? Anyone who participated in torturing prisoners has usually been prosecuted.
Things have been done in past conflicts to bring shame to America, but never before has is been our policy. Never before has torture been approved by the executive branch.
Yet another bedwetter. When did you lose your backbone?
The fact of the matter is that the torturing [and the arguments in favor of it] is being perpetrated by people whose families are NOT in any danger. And neither is yours. What an individual does to protect his or her family is ultimately judged to be self-defense or not. That's the law. Meanwhile, torture like waterboarding, electric shock, and sensory deprivation are against the law.
Drunk drivers drive cars, right? And they threaten your family. But, are you allowed to beat up someone who is drunk, but hasn't gotten behind the wheel of his car yet?
Its illegal and it doesn't work. In fact, I bet if we waterboarded you, you would proclaim your love for Barack Obama just to get us to stop.
I'd sure like to be in line behind a few of these whackjobs when God passes judgement on them. The look of surprise will be priceless!
The writers of the Convention anticipated situations like this and made exceptions for it.
Not much really changed, though. Bush was ignorant and incompetent on 9/10, and was just as ignorant and incompetent on 9/12.
Would u waterboard a detainee who hasn't committed any terrorist act(or plot for that matter)only for him to be released,then out of hatred for his treatment joins a terrorist organization to kill and maim Americans?
Just wondering.
So, why were people in our custody water boarded? Who believed that something was imminent that we had to water board whoever we did?
Is water boarding torture?
If you knew your family was in danger and if you 'believe' the person you have in your custody knew something about it, would you torture the person? For example, take a screw driver and push it down his eyes?
What if the guy gave you wring information (to save his eyes) or if you had the wrong guy?
And to know if anyone had strong suspicions of imminent attacks we would have to know more about the reports that the Obama admin have not released, so far he has just played politics with the issue and only released info regarding the methods. There have been numerous claims about the effectivness of the methods and the attacks that they prevented. It is time to know which is true.
And of course I stated that I would employ these methods if I had STRONG REASON to believe something was going to happen, not the ridiculous twisting of my words by other posters here.
http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhanced-interrogation-failed/
FBI Director Robert Meuller: Enhanced techniques haven’t prevented any attacks.
“So far as he is aware, have any attacks on America been disrupted thanks to intelligence obtained through what the administration still calls ‘enhanced techniques’? ‘I’m really reluctant to answer that,’ Mueller says. He pauses, looks at an aide, and then says quietly, declining to elaborate: ‘I don’t believe that has been the case.’” [Vanity Fair, 12/16/08]
Your claim was bogus. He pointed out that to YOU Obama does things for POLITICAL reasons and the GOP does things for National Security. What he was showing was your obvious bias not that NS is trivial. And you asked him if HE could read?
Which CIA heads, the lying ones or the truthful ones? Are you that naive to believe that the CIA, FBI, etc., don't have people who would lie to protect their own positions. Or are you using Scully and Muldar as your examples like a true rightie would.
the cia had enough info b4 9/11 to act,but they didn't!
all of that intel was gathered without waterboarding or eye gouging or any other IMMORAL methods of interrogation...
The only thing imminent was the release of proof that they lied us into a war against a country that didn't attack us.
Sounds like intuition to me.
It seems that you are still having difficulty with the reading . Feeling, as you used, and very strong reason ,as I used are 2 different things. Here is one definition of reason from the web...a rational motive for a belief or action.
What if you're paranoid or delusional? Free pass due to mental illness?
Also, I believe you just conceded that, since nothing imminent occurred in the last 7 years, the waterboarding that took place was not justified. At least there is no evidence that any attacks were so far in the planning stages as to be "imminent", and were thwarted due to enhanced interogation techniques being employed. Unless you can provide such evidence. I'll give you a few days...
I wonder how you would go about interrogating these animals. I'll give you a few days.
It would seem that Obama believes that the Bush policies were working since he has kept most of them. As Dick Morris said, Obama the candidate is evolving into Obama the president.
Your mindset is exactly the same as that of the enemy we're fighting. Is there anything in the Islamic terrorist methods you disagree with?
You're making the worst mistake that anyone engaged in any conflict can make. You're not respecting your enemy. Anytime you dismiss an enemy as an "animal", you assign to yourself moral and intellectual superiority. Nine times out of ten, that leads to disaster.
Can we start calling you George Custer?
You are so small-minded and short-sighted that you can't even realize when what you say has been discredited for ages. It's even specifically in the convention against torture that your justification can never be used as a defense. Guess why? BECAUSE IT'S HOW TORTURE IS ALWAYS JUSTIFIED.
You and your ilk are unbelievably ignorant.
The government of the United States tortured. That is a fact. The circumstances bore no relation to any ticking time bomb scenario. That is also a fact.
Even with convicted criminals, we have an obligation to be humane. Even with people who might hold secrets that would cost other lives.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/05/the_truth_about/
No matter how shrill she is or how much she talks over people she can't hide her sub-par intellect... she displays it each time she speaks.
They could call it "The Spew"
The only reason to do this much waterboarding, is that someone is getting pleasure from applying it, or watching it, or both.
You've summed up the rights obsession with torture.
They don't approve of it for anything other than the illusion of comfort that it gives them.
sickening