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Gallagher compares "scandal" of Notre Dame inviting Obama with Columbia allowing Ahmadinejad to speak

May 18, 2009 7:30 am ET

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 18, 2009 9:03 am ET)
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      Right. The PRESDIENT OF THE UNITED STATES as opposed to the PRESIDENT OF OUR ARCH ENEMY! And the worst part is that these idiots still think that Colombia was completely in the wrong to have Amadeenajad speak in the first place. ("Keeps your friends close, and your enemies closer." ~ Micahel Corleone) But these guys appaarently don't even know who's a friend and who's an enemy! Idiots. Partisan, blind, willfully ignorant IDIOTS.
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    • Author by neon desert (May 18, 2009 9:27 am ET)
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      Now that the conservative ambition to run the United States has been defeated, they're aiming for the Catholic Church?

      Watch out, Red Hatters. You're the one they'll set their sights on after they lose this one!
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    • Author by Luis81 (May 18, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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      Really Gallagher,this will drive people from the Catholic faith?
      Please,what a maroon.The church has a great track record for life?
      Tsk,tsk Gallagher,you don't know your own church's history.Please stop talking,you only sound dumber and dumber the more you speak.
      Anything is a scandal nowadays.So sad,where were these crys for morality during the African genocides?If you want anyone to take you serious,take up serious issues faux news.
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    • Author by captfoster2 (May 18, 2009 10:01 am ET)
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      What I'd like to ask the Fox powers that be is:

      Who is this Mike Gallagher that you dare put him on as if he is some kind of authority figure on this or any other political subject?

      Seriously? Other than the zombie's that watch this worthless channel already... who else would actually listen to Gallagher's words?



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      • Author by MickD (May 18, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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        "Mommy and Daddy, please tell me what I want to here, please?" There, in a general nutshell, is the pablum seeking attitude of the Fox viewers.
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        • Author by MickD (May 18, 2009 10:09 am ET)
             
          I meant "hear" of course, but here can refer to the "now" :o).
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    • Author by TheThief672 (May 18, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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      "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
      -Noam Chomsky
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      • Author by epkklk851 (May 18, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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        The Catholic Church doesn't believe in freedom of expression. The Catholic Church wants its teachers to spout Catholic morality. I am a devout Catholic, I taught in a Catholic school and had to sign a morals clause and agree to only state Catholic opinions on all moral issues. I was told I could think whatever I wanted but if I departed from the Church line in public or private, I could be fired. I don't work there anymore. I have no problem with President Obama speaking at Notre Dame, and they might have avoided some controversy if they had invited him and not conferred the Doctorate. And for the protesters, where were they when President Bush, a pro-death penalty supporter who ordered over 150 executions and publically mocked one prisoner's plea for clemency, spoke at Notre Dame. The death penalty is just as much against the Catholic Culture of Life as is being anti-abortion!
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        • Author by ewl94232 (May 18, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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          This is good. If they should not have invited Obama, they should not have invited Bush either and the same Catholics should have objected. It's refreshing to see a real point made.

          This could be strengthened if it can be shown that these protesters did not object to Bush speaking. Many pro-life people do cross over to the anti-capital punishment cause,(Bill O'Reilly is a prominent example.)

          It's been many years but I don't recall Bush's alleged mocking of a condemned prisoner being quite so cut and dried when the matter was part of the 2000 Presidential campaign. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (May 18, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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            You're wrong.

            http://www.slate.com/id/2131451/

            Please stand corrected.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (May 18, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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        When you own your own TV station, the fringe whack-jobs suddenly become "authorities."

        Before you know it, they have their own TV shows.
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    • Author by pretarvis9399 (May 18, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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      Questions you will never hear on Fox - If life is sacred why was it ok for Bush to sign off on executions in Texas? Why do most pro life Republicans support the death penalty?
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      • Author by ewl94232 (May 18, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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        This is an easy one, though it's up to you to decide whether you accept the answer.

        Condemned prisoners are adults whose right to life has been respected by making the removal of that right a difficult process that can only be pursued for very limited reasons by very limited bodies authorized to do so. Also it is for conscious, most often deliberate actions by those adults, and most often actions that have had consequences as great or greater than those being suffered by the convict.

        There currently is no such protection for the fetus. The fetus is being terminated without having done anything to justify this treatment. It has had no opportunity to defend its life, even through a proxy.

        So in the case of the fetus, its alleged "right to live" is being withdrawn without due process. In the case of the condemned prisoner, the "right to live" cannot be withdrawn without due process.

        Though the Catholic Church does not recognize this distinction, most Protestant denominations do and most Protestant denominations leave this determination to the conscience of the individual.
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    • Author by dmhack (May 18, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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      "I'm not comparing Barack Obama to Ahmadinejad..."

      Um, yeah, that exactly what he's doing. It's like saying Fox likes to interview right wing morons--but I'm not comparing him to a right wing moron.
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      • Author by ewl94232 (May 18, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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        I see how you can read it this way. I see it differently. I interpret the statement as Gallagher comparing the invitation by Columbia to Achmedinejahd with the invitation by Notre Dam to Obama as both institutions inviting people whose beliefs are in contradiction to those presumably espoused by the institution, Obama for the contra-Papal support of abortion as a right, Achmedinejahd as an opponent of religious and intellectual freedom.

        The similarity was not between these two Presidents, but between the two universities. In both cases, honor, or an honor, was conveyed that helped the speaker and contradicted the values of the institution. He was talking about the institution and his comparison was that this was the same argument used to defend Columbia's invitation to Iran's President. As it often does, MMFA misrepresented the comments saying that the scandals were being compared rather than that an argument presented in the debates over the scandals was being compared. Relisten to the clip and you will hear this for yourself. An MMFA lie even the most devoted Leftist can recognize.
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        • Author by mjh (May 19, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
             
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          "The similarity was not between these two Presidents, but between the two universities. In both cases, honor, or an honor, was conveyed that helped the speaker and contradicted the values of the institution."
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          Ahmedinejhad was given an honorary degree? I hadn't heard . . . and, how familiar are you with the "values" of CU? Are you an alum? IMHO, the values of CU -- or ND, or any institution of higher learning -- are likely to include a desire for the free and open exchange of ideas . . . and, for that exchange to occur, that means talking to and hearing from people whose ideas differ from ours . . .
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          "As it often does, MMFA misrepresented the comments saying that the scandals were being compared rather than that an argument presented in the debates over the scandals was being compared. Relisten to the clip and you will hear this for yourself. An MMFA lie even the most devoted Leftist can recognize."
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          I must say, I have NEVER heard of someone who had as much disdain for this site as you do constantly post here . . .



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    • Author by swift (May 18, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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      If Catholic universities were governed solely by the doctrines of Rome, then they'd have to lose their university charters. Universities are about universal knowledge. On campus, the students can be held to standards of Catholic morality. Their brains cannot be, or else Notre Dame would have to become a theological college at best.

      This is the medieval state of people like Randall Terry, the man who hounded Mr. Schiavo, the man who stopped the anti-abortion movement in its tracks. You know, I saw Mark Rudd giving a talk on C-Span about all the mistakes his generation made in changing SDS to the Weathermen. Simply put, they stopped organizing and trying to change opinions; instead, they tried to prove how militant they were. The result was the Nixon landslide. Under the SDS, the ranks kept growing. The Weathermen scared people off and shrank the supporters. Probably missed a chance to end the war.
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    • Author by swift (May 18, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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      Oh, and the Catholic church, which I was raised in, has overall a not-bad record, in modern times, for the respect for human life. What gets the fanatics going though, is their vision of abstract life, the "soul" that their theology has decided is present from the first instant of conception, even though conception takes place over hours and days. They don't care how many women they have sacrificed over the years to this abstract Thomistic idea.

      But that's fine. It's a coherent point of view that they have every right to try to convince people to adopt. They don't have the right to call it equivalent to murder, because many people do not accept this theological view. Nor have Catholics always accepted it.
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