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Hume cites "perception" of Dems being "reflexively anti-defense and anti-spying"

May 18, 2009 8:53 pm ET

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Hume: "Democrats have a sort of a reputation in this country ... of being at times, even, anti-defense"

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    • Author by magnolialover (May 18, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
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      Yeah, anti spying on our own citizens, without a warrant. Funny thing is, there is something else out there that is against this as well. It's called the Constitution.

      And under a democratic president, Obama, defense spending was increased what, 4% or so? How is THAT anti defense again?
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 18, 2009 10:51 pm ET)
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        I guess you didn't get the memo...

        Obama extends warrantless wiretaps

        It's called the what again?
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        • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 10:19 am ET)
             
          First, if that's true, then shame on him, and he should be held accountable for it. And it needs to stop.

          It's called the Constitution, and unlike you guys, I tend to hold people in my party responsible for what they do, that I don't agree with.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 20, 2009 10:22 am ET)
               
            First, if that's true,


            Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I can assure you it's true. Barry is finding out now that he is getting the "double secret" briefs that to keep America safe he has to make some hard choices. If that ticks off the extreme left that is a choice he'll make. Like a battered spouse he knows you'll come back again and again and again....

            Barry sides with Bush

            Reality check time

            Now. I have to ask. Where is the outrage. This is flying under the radar in this here echo chamber.

            I'm betting we'll see a HUGE 180 from those "so" concerned about the wiretaps.
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        • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 10:22 am ET)
             
          Also, funny in that article you linked to, the only mention of wireless wiretapping that's mentioned is in the start of the article, but there are no examples given as to whether or not it has continued in the article. Which means, the guy who wrote it, was just throwing that in there, and has nothing to back up that claim. In that article.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 20, 2009 10:23 am ET)
               
            If he signed the bill. Then it continues. That's kind of how it works.

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 19, 2009 11:58 am ET)
             
          What a garbage article. Not a single quoted source. "Many legal experts?" WHO?!?! Obama's done this Obama's done that... but NOT bills or legislation cited. "Newspaper headlines accross the country" but not a single one cited. Very sloppy journalism. If there's truth to it, then it's an important issue, and he shoudl have done a much better job reporting (or opining) on it.
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          • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
               
            That's what I was trying to say, except, you said it better.
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          • Author by Bronwyn (May 19, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
               
            That's how they roll these days. They seldom if ever back up their accusations. At least not with the truth. That is why I left the party.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 20, 2009 11:01 am ET)
               
            Read it and weep...

            AMENDMENT NO. 962
            (Purpose: To ensure the continued safety of Americans against terrorist attack by Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations by providing a point of order against any legislation that would weaken or eliminate critical terror-fighting tools)

            At the appropriate place, insert the following:
            SEC. lll. POINT OF ORDER.
            (a) IN GENERAL.—After a concurrent resolution on the budget is agreed to, it shall not be in order in the Senate to consider any bill, resolution, amendment between Houses, motion, or conference report that—
            (1) weakens any authorized anti-terrorism tool or investigative method provided by the USA Patriot Act of 2001 (PL 107-56), the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (PL 108-458), the USA Patriot Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 (PL 109-177), or the FISA Amendments Act of
            2008 (PL 110-261); or
            (2) eliminates any authorized anti-terrorism tool or investigative method provided by any of the statutes referred to in paragraph (1).
            (b) SUPERMAJORITY WAIVER AND APPEALS.—
            (1) WAIVER.—Subsection (a) may be waived or suspended in the Senate only by the affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members, duly chosen and sworn.
            (2) APPEALS.—Appeals in the Senate from the decisions of the Chair relating to any provision of subsection (a) shall be limited to 1 hour, to be equally divided between, and controlled by, the appellant and the manager of the bill or joint resolution. An affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members of the Senate, duly chosen and sworn, shall be required to sustain an appeal of the ruling of the Chair on a point of order raised under subsection (a).
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 20, 2009 11:03 am ET)
               
            Hey, at least you can say the dems are getting tough on terrorism now without crossing your fingers behind your back!
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    • Author by fawltylogic (May 18, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
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      Anti-military spending is NOT the same as anti-defense.

      The truth, that apparently nobody is allowed to say anymore lest they be branded unpatriotic, is that the vast majority if military spending has nothing or very little to do with defending the United States. We could probably slash the military spending budget in half, and our national defense would not be impacted one bit.
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (May 19, 2009 12:06 am ET)
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      And BRIT HUME is anti-truth.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (May 19, 2009 12:39 am ET)
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      We're in the terrible aftermath of eight years of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney administering our federal government and all of it's Departments and Agencies, the Pentagon and the CIA included (and for about six of those years, Republicans were leading Congress).

      A majority of the American People were unhappy, even angry, at Bush and Cheney and the way they maladministered our federal government, the DOD and the CIA especially, and the People demonstrated their dissatisfaction and anger even, in the national elections of 2006, and again in 2008 (and they were unhappy and angry with Congressional Republicans too, and obviously took all of that out on them in 06 and 08).

      And so a lot of Americans got accustomed to opposing the policies and operations of the Pentagon and the CIA, when in truth it was the Bush and Cheney administration of those Departments they opposed, and in truth (I think) the American People were not really opposed to the functions and responsibilities of the DOD and the CIA...

      Does that make sense? It does to me. It's how I feel and think about the matter.

      And even back then, in those eight terrible years, as much as I hated George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, as much as I didn't trust them, and worse than that, as much as I thought (even knew) them to be just malicious liars and criminals who had stolen the Presidency in 2000, I still didn't confuse the real and true functions of Law enforcement and National Security, with the leering cackling distorted faces of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney... I knew that the DOD and the CIA and the FBI were not in fact the faces of Bush and Cheney, but were people who were doing the job because that's their career, and maybe they didn't like Bush or Cheney any more than you or me or a majority of the American People did... that the many career people in those Departments and Agencies weren't 'Bushies', never mind not being Bush himself... I knew George W. Bush was just the leering cackling hunched over criminal and thief and liar who stole and inhabited the Office of the Presidency... and all the time I hated and opposed him and Dick Cheney, I never once truly opposed the DOD or the CIA or the FBI, but just the administration of them...

      Well anyway, I think that's an important thing to note here, so important that it's sort of a Principle of Civics and of Law and Government : that we can and should question and oppose the administration of our government, but as far as the important and serious and even life protecting and life saving functions of government, we should never get confused, and never appear to be opposing those things too, in our opposition to the administration... it's an important distinction to make.

      There's that image of tossing the bath water off the back porch, and whoops there goes the baby too!

      You know that image, and how it applies here.

      The new administration of our federal government is now under the responsibility and in the custody of President Obama... good I say! Good riddance to the leering cackling hunched over criminals and liars George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, as they are now private citizens, and have no more authority today over the DOD and the CIA than do you or I.

      It's absolutely necessary to make that distinction between the true and real and serious functions and responsibilities of the CIA, and the persons who administer that Agency.

      The same is true in making the distinction between the U.S. Armed Forces and their responsibilities, and the Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, who is presently a man we can trust, and who we need not oppose I say (maybe you will agree), and who we need not question his decisions, or insist he account to us his every thought and move in these matters, as though he were so untrustworthy and incompetent that we were obliged to micro-manage the operations of the DOD and CIA over his shoulder...

      The last eight years were like that, and they were terrible I say... I'm more than glad they are over, I'm relieved, as though I can get back to more important things in my life, and stop wasting any more time than I already have, hating and mistrusting the President of the United States.

      And I hope all of that made sense, because it does to me... and I hope it seems applicable here, because I believe it is, especially the part about us distinguishing the functions of our government, especially the function of the CIA, from the administration of the same.
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      • Author by dmhack (May 19, 2009 5:44 am ET)
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        You had me at "terrible aftermath."

        My only quibble is when you say we need not question his (Obama's) decisions. I think it's healthy to question any president's decisions because not all of them are going to be the right ones no matter how much I may like the man.
        In my youth, I liked LBJ. But for all right decisions he made and the progressive legislation he championed, LBJ is best remembered today for the ill-advised decisions he made about a certain small southeast Asian country.


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      • Author by Bronwyn (May 19, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
           
        I agree with you about Bush and Cheney and most of what you wrote. But the CIA has done horrible things since their beginning and have not been held accountable for it. Also I am not so sure that Cheney no longer has a hold on the CIA. THAT IS ONE VERY EVIL MAN. PUT NOTHING PAST HIM!!!!!
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (May 19, 2009 8:03 am ET)
         
      Why doesn't Hume just get it over with and become the head of the RNC ?

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    • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 9:14 am ET)
         
      Gee... I wonder where that "perception" came from? Maybe under the same rock as the "perception" that there is a Liberal bias in the Media?

      Could it be that Hume and his cronies have artificially fostered those "perceptions"?
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    • Author by terrapin53 (May 19, 2009 9:43 am ET)
         
      typical right wing talking point started by conservatives and spread by conservatives and in reality believed by very few.
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