Scarborough attacks Jesse Ventura over waterboarding remarks: "It seriously should be a crime to be that dumb"
May 19, 2009 10:34 am ET


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FALSE!
Ventura was correct: Muslims were waterboarded by the US. If you have facts that say differently then put them on the table.
I think Ventura's comment was misleading and foolish.
No wonder your side has zero cred... cannot even admit when you're wrong about anything so you just shove it under the carpet.
Me: They viiolated resolutions by the international community for nearly a decade that clearly said they were subject to military action.
You: Naw, it was for oil.
Me: Was Saddam a bad guy?
You: But Shrub was worse cuz he lied!
Me: Lied about what?
You: He said they were part of 9/11, and had WMDs.
Me: Huh? He also said other stuff...
You: But he lied!!!! He lied!!!
Me: Only if we take your interpretation of what he said.
You: But, But, But he said this "xyz"
Me: You are taking that out of context.
Yadda, yadda, yadda....
Not really productive right? So let's try to stay focused. We aren't going to get anywhere, but at least we will churn our wheels on one topic instead of several.
It's interesting to me that Scarborough attacks Ventura's intelligence, but not his arguments. Perhaps he doesn't have any real response other than, "We only waterboarded three people?"
I'm no Jesse Ventura fan--I don't know much about his record--but I trust his opinion on waterboarding much more than Scarborough's.
Apparently while criticising Scarborough you aren't above agreeing with someone you know little about just because he opposes someone you don't like very much.
I know little about Jessie Ventura's record, however I do know that Jessie Venture joined the Navy after high school and served for six years — four on active duty, two in the Reserves — and is a Vietnam veteran. While on active duty, he was a member of Underwater Demolition (SEAL) Team 12.
So when it comes to waterboarding, I damn well trust Jessie's opinion a lot more than ANYTHING coming out of chicken Joe's mouth.
You come down on me hard and call Joe Scarborough "chicken Joe". Is that what you call staying on topic and addressing arguments?
I'm aware that Jessie served in the military. Since when is that an endorsement for you guys? Is it just because he is taking your side that it is a bonus? His statement that we only waterboard muslims WAS stupid.
We didn't just go out and say: "here muslims, we have a treat for you"... They were chosen for "enhanced interrogation" because they were found in an active combat zone sitting in a locked room with dudes building IED's and planning attacks on US Troops.
Any progress on my offer on the other thread where I offered $1000 to your favorite charity if you could be waterboarded for a minute with the specifics I put in place?
Also, I did a lot of research for you to which you did not respond about waterboarding.
As for the charitable contribution, I'd think you could be generous enough to just pay up for my participation at all. But all kidding aside, I doubt we could come up with an effective way to pull that off. Not that I'm unwilling, but let's be realistic. Why not just give it to a charity of your choice and be happy?
So were there any Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc. in that waterboarded bunch or not???
If you're gonna challenge Ventura's statement then bring facts to the table that refute the statement. Otherwise, there's the door.
Ventura's statement was dumb. If I said "You would fall several hundred feet if I threw you from a tall building" my statement would be accurate. It might also be interpreted as being threatening. You see how an accurate statement may be interpreted more than one way. I could claim to be discussing something no more significant than the law of gravity. That would be misleading...
Face it, ya got nuthin' on this issue. Drop it and move on to the next manufactured outrage - I'm sure you're side has plenty of them up its sleeves.
Do you think it won't get lots of airtime in Arab media??
Mr. Ventura was waterboarded repeatedly, as part of his training going into Vietnam, because that was what the Vietnamese did to POWs. He fully understands the effects of waterboarding, since the US government made sure of it in the event of his capture.
Waterboarding was torture du jour at the Hanoi Hilton.
That is why John McCain and all other POWs of the Vietnam war are against it too.
It HAS come to light that waterboarding was only used to illicit false links between Iraq and al Qaeda.
Answer: No, even a buffoon is a person, and persons should not be tortured...oops, I'm sorry, interrogated enhancingly.
That same group has forgotten the word alleged. Alleged terrorists
Regardless it is illegal. Either we broke laws by waterboarding or we broke laws by prosecuting and hanging others for waterboarding.
Like I said, Joe should do more interveiwing and less talking. ADD! Why do we think that everybody on t.v. is clear of these disorders. And Joe is a mouthpiece for who!? Murdoch, Joe, FOX, who then? What would you expect. This entire week has been deligated and intensely focused on the mistruths in the reporting style of the network(s).
Your on candid camera.
During times of actual war, we had rules to go by, such as the Geneva Convention, and during times of war, we have behaved fairly well as a country, and as a military. The CIA does not fight wars. Wars, although this might sound weird, can be fought morally. As in, for the most part, during WWII, we treated Nazi prisoners well. We expected no such treatment from them. Same could be said for fighting terrorists. We should treat our prisoners well, and show them how a just and moral nation does it.
It really is a wide-ranging police action, not a "war" in the traditional sense. The people we're up against behave more like a criminal network than an army. The Bushies just called it a war so they could justify whatever they needed to justify in the name of their never-ending "War on Terror".
Of course, they quickly abandoned the war jargon when it came to the treatment of detainees, since they didn't want to be confined by the Geneva Conventions.
I realize that you righties have to believe the myth that everybody saw the same intelligence and everybody believed the WMD fairy tales, but there were a few who saw through the bullsh*t tsunami, or at least were skeptical enough to vote against it.
My statememnt, put it in the hands of the hypocrites!
Not sure what you're talking about, if that's addressed to me. I've been harping about the Iraq War and the name "War on Terror" for years.
Not that it matters.... I don't think Bush was listening.
Despite the Republican talking points, the Iraq War and the "War on Terror" are really two different things. We are fighting in Iraq because we invaded the country and continue to occupy it. The "War on Terror" is an ongoing action against Al Qaeda and like-minded terrorist networks.
I don't mean any personal attacks to you and I do extend my apology. The nerve of me to address issues in that manner. i owe you an educated and tempered response at all times and I hope that you will forgive that because i will remove that behavior as a practice.
I don't fault you. I applaud your vocalization actually and remember, i have no idea who you are. We need to find a way to move collectively when things like this happen. It will take some nerve and strategy. Strategy!!! It can be addressed though. It was up to engage in politics at that point. Sometimes I feel that people consider politics this rant and rave and smart aleck blogging thing. The definition of politics will provide clarity and the system in which policies are changes will reflect goal accomplishment and mobility. So, in the future I will be more studious because I am nobody and I owe journalism much more than that.
I'm not even a journalist! Doesn't it seem that they all are politicians or family oriented in the craft? That might have a hell of a lot to do with the same rhetoric all the time. We should think outside the box and thank you for your awareness of our continued disregard for the law!!!!!!
When he made his remarks about Religion serving as a crutch, I thought, Finally; A politician I can relate to! The Troglodytes heaped great scorn upon him for that, which made me like him even more.
Maybe Joe could volunteer to let Jesse waterboard him. They could do a Pay-Per-View and donate the money to the families of the soldiers killed in Bush/Cheney's unnecessary war.
The latest idiotic meme is that the CIA never lies, and to accuse them of lying is un-American. Bob Shrum has done a good job defending in this regard.
And of course it is patently false to say we only tortured those who were behind the 9/11 attacks, in order to stop further attacks. Scarborough realizes this, but doesn't particularly care.
Jesse is wrong on this point. He should, and probably does, know better.
If you want convictions however... here you go:
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
There's over 50 "plead guilty's" and "convicted's" on that list by my count, and that only includes those backed up by another news source.
So give them Sir Ted, and that whole sad episode. We still don't need to resort to weak allegations to expose them as criminals.
Memo to you, dummy: Fox is calling. You belong over there with that sorry bunch. Just be sure to get rid of any corpses you may have stashed away in your office.
Perhaps Joe can line up next behind Sean in trying his hand at having "The Body" on as a guest...
http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/2009/05/joe-scarborough-worldclass-hypocrite.html
I especially enjoyed the comments section.
Ugh. You know what's a crime, Joe? That you have a job on television spewing out lies and ignorance.