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Scarborough attacks Jesse Ventura over waterboarding remarks: "It seriously should be a crime to be that dumb"

May 19, 2009 10:34 am ET

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    • Author by Victor Colorado (May 19, 2009 10:42 am ET)
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      Scarborough: "We only waterboarded people who planned the attacks on September 11"

      FALSE!
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      • Author by akwhiteraven (May 19, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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        I wish they would fire you so u can return to Florida
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      • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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        Yeah, Scarborough was just as dumb and inaccurate while criticising Ventura for saying something stupid.
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        • Author by Victor Colorado (May 19, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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          If you know the name of a non-Muslim who's been waterboarded by the US, feel free to prove Ventura wrong....
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          • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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            C'mon. Venture was saying that as if it were the criteria by which the prisoners were selected. That is misleading at the very least. We didn't just go out on the nearest street and ask each passer by what their religious affiliation, if any, was.
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            • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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              That's your biased partisan interpretation at play. Not valid.

              Ventura was correct: Muslims were waterboarded by the US. If you have facts that say differently then put them on the table.
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            • Author by Victor Colorado (May 19, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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              What do you think was the criteria by which Iraq was selected?
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              • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
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                I certainly don't think it was chosen by pointing at a map and asking "Where are all the Muslims?"
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                • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
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                  Tell us what you think the criteria was, not what you think it wasn't.
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                  • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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                    I believe this is a discussion of Jessie Ventura's comment and Joe Scarborough's reponse to his statement.

                    I think Ventura's comment was misleading and foolish.
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                    • Author by Victor Colorado (May 19, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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                      We waged war on Iraq for the same reason we waterboarded people.
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                    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 19, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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                      In other words, Captain America hasn't a clue what the criteria were, and is just talking out of his ass once more.
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                      • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
                           
                        If you mean Iraq, that's a horse that has been beaten long after it was dead. And not a worthwhile detour. If you mean the detainees who have been subjected to enhanced interrogation I'd strongly suspect they were selected for a number of reasons. Would you agree? Or do you believe that we rounded up all kinds of terrorists of various religions, but chose the particular detainess we are discussing specifically due to their religion?
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                        • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
                             
                          Gotta go. I just want to let you know so that people don't think I chickened out. =)
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                          • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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                            Chickened out? You've had 90 minutes to make your case and you flunked out about 90 seconds into it.
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                        • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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                          Ah, the typical 'let's not discuss Iraq cuz that was a looooong time ago' crapola. Nice deflection there, SOP for erasing the past, huh?

                          No wonder your side has zero cred... cannot even admit when you're wrong about anything so you just shove it under the carpet.
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                          • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 20, 2009 3:41 pm ET)
                               
                            I'm not saying let's not discuss it cus it's so long ago, I'm saying let's not waste our time. We can't even agree on what torture is. How the heck are we going to come to terms on what motivated a war?
                            Me: They viiolated resolutions by the international community for nearly a decade that clearly said they were subject to military action.
                            You: Naw, it was for oil.
                            Me: Was Saddam a bad guy?
                            You: But Shrub was worse cuz he lied!
                            Me: Lied about what?
                            You: He said they were part of 9/11, and had WMDs.
                            Me: Huh? He also said other stuff...
                            You: But he lied!!!! He lied!!!
                            Me: Only if we take your interpretation of what he said.
                            You: But, But, But he said this "xyz"
                            Me: You are taking that out of context.
                            Yadda, yadda, yadda....

                            Not really productive right? So let's try to stay focused. We aren't going to get anywhere, but at least we will churn our wheels on one topic instead of several.
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                • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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                  Maybe Cheney pointed at a map and asked "Where is all the oil?"
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    • Author by Aywaller (May 19, 2009 10:42 am ET)
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      Apparently,it's not a crime to be dumb and on television--Scarborough isn't in jail.

      It's interesting to me that Scarborough attacks Ventura's intelligence, but not his arguments. Perhaps he doesn't have any real response other than, "We only waterboarded three people?"

      I'm no Jesse Ventura fan--I don't know much about his record--but I trust his opinion on waterboarding much more than Scarborough's.
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      • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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        Well, thanks for displaying your bias so openly.

        Aywaller says: I'm no Jesse Ventura fan--I don't know much about his record--but I trust his opinion on waterboarding much more than Scarborough's.


        Apparently while criticising Scarborough you aren't above agreeing with someone you know little about just because he opposes someone you don't like very much.
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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (May 19, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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          Apparently while criticising Scarborough you aren't above agreeing with someone you know little about just because he opposes someone you don't like very much.

          I know little about Jessie Ventura's record, however I do know that Jessie Venture joined the Navy after high school and served for six years — four on active duty, two in the Reserves — and is a Vietnam veteran. While on active duty, he was a member of Underwater Demolition (SEAL) Team 12.

          So when it comes to waterboarding, I damn well trust Jessie's opinion a lot more than ANYTHING coming out of chicken Joe's mouth.
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          • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
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            You lefties crack me up. I call out your buddy above for showing bias. He says "Scarborough attacks Ventura's intelligence, but not his arguments".

            You come down on me hard and call Joe Scarborough "chicken Joe". Is that what you call staying on topic and addressing arguments?

            I'm aware that Jessie served in the military. Since when is that an endorsement for you guys? Is it just because he is taking your side that it is a bonus? His statement that we only waterboard muslims WAS stupid.

            We didn't just go out and say: "here muslims, we have a treat for you"... They were chosen for "enhanced interrogation" because they were found in an active combat zone sitting in a locked room with dudes building IED's and planning attacks on US Troops.
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            • Author by Victor Colorado (May 19, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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              Only one of the following is true:

              CaptainAmerica: [people waterboarded by the US] were chosen for "enhanced interrogation" because they were found in an active combat zone sitting in a locked room with dudes building IED's and planning attacks on US Troops


              Joe Scarborough: We only waterboarded people who planned the attacks on September 11


              Jesse Ventura: We only waterboard Muslims.
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              • Author by liberalpitbull (May 19, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
                   
                LOLOL!!!!!! UMMM... I'm gonna go with door number 3 =)
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              • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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                Not really. We waterboard people who were taken prisoner in combat operations. If they all happen to be left handed, would you find the statement accurate that we selected them on that basis? I'd guess they are all men. Do you think that was intentional? Would it be fair to say that we waterboard people for being left handed muslim males??? You know what I'm saying... maybe they weren't all taken in a locked room, but you get my point.
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 19, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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                  We probably also waterboarded people who were sold to us as well.

                  Any progress on my offer on the other thread where I offered $1000 to your favorite charity if you could be waterboarded for a minute with the specifics I put in place?

                  Also, I did a lot of research for you to which you did not respond about waterboarding.
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                  • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:57 pm ET)
                       
                    I don't know that I would classify that as "a lot" but I am looking at some of the material. I didn't realize there was a time limit for commenting in Media Matters' video comments, so I didn't get back in time.

                    As for the charitable contribution, I'd think you could be generous enough to just pay up for my participation at all. But all kidding aside, I doubt we could come up with an effective way to pull that off. Not that I'm unwilling, but let's be realistic. Why not just give it to a charity of your choice and be happy?
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                  • Author by snoopy (May 19, 2009 6:01 pm ET)
                       
                    I've got a better idea. Let's waterboard Joe until he admits he killed that dead intern found in his office and then Joe can tell us it really doesn't work.
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                    • Author by fairliberal (May 20, 2009 7:52 pm ET)
                         
                      Joe wasn't even in town when that happened, so obviously he didn't kill her. Kennedy on the other hand was at the wheel when he killed Mary Jo. Could you go home and sleep while another person was dying because of your actions? Most people could not, for Ted it was no problem.
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            • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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              "We didn't just go out and say: "here muslims, we have a treat for you"... They were chosen for "enhanced interrogation" because they were found in an active combat zone sitting in a locked room with dudes building IED's and planning attacks on US Troops."

              So were there any Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc. in that waterboarded bunch or not???

              If you're gonna challenge Ventura's statement then bring facts to the table that refute the statement. Otherwise, there's the door.
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              • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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                Oh, please. You are being petty. These prisoners were not singled out of a crowd of Christians, Hindus, Buddists, and atheists. They self select by affiliating with one another based on their religion and being terrorists.

                Ventura's statement was dumb. If I said "You would fall several hundred feet if I threw you from a tall building" my statement would be accurate. It might also be interpreted as being threatening. You see how an accurate statement may be interpreted more than one way. I could claim to be discussing something no more significant than the law of gravity. That would be misleading...
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                • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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                  No, YOU'RE being petty. You slam - no pun intended - Ventura for making a factual statement that YOU interpret in YOUR own ridiculous way. Why are you expending so much energy on this one point... what's the matter, the Pelosi thing starting to fizz out already?

                  Face it, ya got nuthin' on this issue. Drop it and move on to the next manufactured outrage - I'm sure you're side has plenty of them up its sleeves.
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                  • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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                    Karl Rove is making a list as we speak.
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                  • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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                    I didn't manufacture the outrage. I'm just commenting on a fun little media exchange between two bozos. I stated that I think they both made dumb remarks. If anyone is guilty of manufacturing outrage it's Media Matters for picking a funny mudslinging contest to feature. Does this particular exchange actually matter? Does it reflect some terrible abuse of media resources? Are Americans being terribly mislead?
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                    • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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                      If they believe Joe Scarborough is anything more than a talking points pimp, they are being terribly misled.
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                    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 19, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
                         
                      So, once again, were any non-Muslims waterboarded?
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                      • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 20, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
                           
                        Once again, that was a foregone conclusion in the conflict we are involved in. We are being attacked primarily by radicals of one particular faith. They weren't selected BY US for their religious affiliation. Ventura's statement wasn't stupid because it was inaccurate, it was stupid because it can be so easily interpreted as suggesting that. In his fury to attack the FORMER administration he is making a statement that our enemies will play over and over in their media.

                        Do you think it won't get lots of airtime in Arab media??
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 19, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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              You lefties crack me up.
              Judging from your posts, you were cracked long before you started here.
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            • Author by Martha (May 19, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
                 
              No one knows for certain who was "water boarded". The reports thus far include only Muslims.

              Mr. Ventura was waterboarded repeatedly, as part of his training going into Vietnam, because that was what the Vietnamese did to POWs. He fully understands the effects of waterboarding, since the US government made sure of it in the event of his capture.

              Waterboarding was torture du jour at the Hanoi Hilton.

              That is why John McCain and all other POWs of the Vietnam war are against it too.

              It HAS come to light that waterboarding was only used to illicit false links between Iraq and al Qaeda.

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            • Author by eekeller (May 19, 2009 5:42 pm ET)
                 
              buffoon! Question: Is it OK to waterboard a buffoon?
              Answer: No, even a buffoon is a person, and persons should not be tortured...oops, I'm sorry, interrogated enhancingly.
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        • Author by robyn20094113 (May 19, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
             
          Well Ventura has been waterboarded !!!!!! He says it it torture !!!! Unlike Scarborough, Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh whom have not but claim it is not torture.

          That same group has forgotten the word alleged. Alleged terrorists

          Regardless it is illegal. Either we broke laws by waterboarding or we broke laws by prosecuting and hanging others for waterboarding.
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    • Author by docdrew62 (May 19, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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      Was Joe referring to himself of Ventura when he says being that stupid should be a crime. Joe constantly implies he has inside information from the CIA on all of this, which he probably does. And they are lying to him as well. Of course, Joe is too stupid to get that.
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    • Author by robinpat (May 19, 2009 11:00 am ET)
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      Ah, good old Joe a chickenhawk through and through. I love how msnbc has put a big kid on a show, i mean any time someone gets the better of old Joe here comes the voices or the laughing at nothing. I also like how everybody just agrees with joe and praises him for no reason. Oh by the way Mika is worthless.
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    • Author by latanza (May 19, 2009 11:02 am ET)
         
      In normal intelligence processes it is reasonable to understand that these tactics may not be justified, But declaring war has always manifested different strategy, strikes, and strides. The American people did give the O.K and we dissented when our children did not return home. We underestimated this enemy and their tenacity and this when America turned on the government's objective. We've all seen the Bond movies, we knew what we were getting into. The CIA should just come out and say that in times of war we have intense means. Let America approve the position and then idiots won't have to debate your methods without merit. Put the responsibility on the hypocrites.

      Like I said, Joe should do more interveiwing and less talking. ADD! Why do we think that everybody on t.v. is clear of these disorders. And Joe is a mouthpiece for who!? Murdoch, Joe, FOX, who then? What would you expect. This entire week has been deligated and intensely focused on the mistruths in the reporting style of the network(s).

      Your on candid camera.
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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        Technically, we're not at war. No such declaration was made by Congress.

        During times of actual war, we had rules to go by, such as the Geneva Convention, and during times of war, we have behaved fairly well as a country, and as a military. The CIA does not fight wars. Wars, although this might sound weird, can be fought morally. As in, for the most part, during WWII, we treated Nazi prisoners well. We expected no such treatment from them. Same could be said for fighting terrorists. We should treat our prisoners well, and show them how a just and moral nation does it.
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        • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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          Are you seriously suggesting that Congress didn't mean for us to be in a military conflict when they unanimously voted to authorize the use of military force? Against whom would they have declared war if they had elected to do so? Which parties against whom we have declared hostilities are signatories to the Geneva Conventions?
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          • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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            Well, you raise an interesting point. That's why "us lefties" objected to the characterization of this conflict as a "War on Terror".

            It really is a wide-ranging police action, not a "war" in the traditional sense. The people we're up against behave more like a criminal network than an army. The Bushies just called it a war so they could justify whatever they needed to justify in the name of their never-ending "War on Terror".

            Of course, they quickly abandoned the war jargon when it came to the treatment of detainees, since they didn't want to be confined by the Geneva Conventions.
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          • Author by liberalpitbull (May 19, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
               
            Authorization to use military force (republican euphemism). Give an inch, they take a mile, then pretend there was wide consensus. You want consensus? There were some of the largest protests in history during the run up to the "military force use". Also, congress stipulated as a condition that Bush return to congress for permission to wage war. Something the chimpenfuhrer conveniently ignored. That's a violation. He also moved our resources out of Afghanistan and focused on Iraq. Stop playing revisionist historian captain asparagus.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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            By the way, are you seriously suggesting that Congress voted unanimously for the Iraq War Resolution? It was 77-23 in the Senate and 296-133 in the House. Not quite "unanimous".

            I realize that you righties have to believe the myth that everybody saw the same intelligence and everybody believed the WMD fairy tales, but there were a few who saw through the bullsh*t tsunami, or at least were skeptical enough to vote against it.
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            • Author by CaptainAmerica (May 19, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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              Oops. Should have said "overwhelmingly" in this. That is the problem with typing faster than the brain is functioning. Sorry. =(
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            • Author by latanza (May 19, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
                 
              If not that, the President sure did mobilize the military despite the choice and the voice of elected officials but you didn't see a news stoty there. Maybe your courage is revived to address it since Bush isn't in office. You stand for the correct protocol now? You are the one to correct me on the misunderstanding of the words "War on Terror". You would have done well to tell the Bush Administration that we did not have a war on terror.

              My statememnt, put it in the hands of the hypocrites!
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              • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
                   
                "Maybe your courage is revived to address it since Bush isn't in office"

                Not sure what you're talking about, if that's addressed to me. I've been harping about the Iraq War and the name "War on Terror" for years.

                Not that it matters.... I don't think Bush was listening.
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        • Author by latanza (May 19, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
             
          We sure did mobilize our military and employ war strategies as if we were. Where were you when you needed to raise this objection. A matter of semantics this may be but the actions were in conflict with the language you now use and the actions of the Bush Administration. Why the repairations? IF NOT AN ACTION OF WAR, WE HAVE INVADED A COUNTRY!
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          • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
               
            True, invading Iraq was an act of war. I would argue that it was a crime.

            Despite the Republican talking points, the Iraq War and the "War on Terror" are really two different things. We are fighting in Iraq because we invaded the country and continue to occupy it. The "War on Terror" is an ongoing action against Al Qaeda and like-minded terrorist networks.
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            • Author by latanza (May 20, 2009 11:32 am ET)
                 
              But you have to be clear. Were we in an unofficial war or not? War is war. Do we consider Iraq to be a terrorist enterprise? Invading Iraq was more than a crime, it was acts of totalitarianism. It was the realization that the office of the President was used to commit piracy. I don't have vocalization to bring the light to this subject but if the Republicans announce that they are tired of apologizing again, they will be explaining how they are tired of contemptuously going against the laws mandated by the Geneva Convention, how funding was awarded to afford the deployment of military manpower, and admit that they don't have control in times of Rep leadership. Bush Administration was Rep. The Rep could not control/did not have a rapport with the party leader and Commander in Cheif, their wishes and goals were not considered and a few men were able to impliment their personal agenda (for profit) in the face of hate and racism. When O'Bama is addressing undoing what was done, it is because the actions were lawless. The Reps did not conceive that the global community had the privelege to watch these acts of "invasion" and probably felt that America was a danger to even them. Do we think that Americans are the only literal and well informed nation? Does China not have a television? Is the Iran-Contra and the Nicaraguan thing forgotten already? Hell No! We just move forward with selective amnesia and underestimate the things that people will recall and take into account.

              I don't mean any personal attacks to you and I do extend my apology. The nerve of me to address issues in that manner. i owe you an educated and tempered response at all times and I hope that you will forgive that because i will remove that behavior as a practice.

              I don't fault you. I applaud your vocalization actually and remember, i have no idea who you are. We need to find a way to move collectively when things like this happen. It will take some nerve and strategy. Strategy!!! It can be addressed though. It was up to engage in politics at that point. Sometimes I feel that people consider politics this rant and rave and smart aleck blogging thing. The definition of politics will provide clarity and the system in which policies are changes will reflect goal accomplishment and mobility. So, in the future I will be more studious because I am nobody and I owe journalism much more than that.

              I'm not even a journalist! Doesn't it seem that they all are politicians or family oriented in the craft? That might have a hell of a lot to do with the same rhetoric all the time. We should think outside the box and thank you for your awareness of our continued disregard for the law!!!!!!
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 19, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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      I would LOVE to see his debate this to his face! LOL.
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      • Author by Aywaller (May 19, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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        I was thinking the same thing when I saw Scarborough this morning. I don't think he would have the nerve to say it to Jesse's face!
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    • Author by TheThief672 (May 19, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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      Stupidity is not a crime....Scarborough, your free to go.
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    • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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      I had great hopes for Jesse. I really thought a viable third party might coalesce around him, but it never did.

      When he made his remarks about Religion serving as a crutch, I thought, Finally; A politician I can relate to! The Troglodytes heaped great scorn upon him for that, which made me like him even more.

      Maybe Joe could volunteer to let Jesse waterboard him. They could do a Pay-Per-View and donate the money to the families of the soldiers killed in Bush/Cheney's unnecessary war.
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    • Author by Jim Rockford (May 19, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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      Morning Joe has become an excursion into the twilight zone when it comes to certain issues, such as torture. You have at least 4 people loudly and confidently asserting over and over distinctly irrational, extreme minoirity views and laughing mockingly, interrupting with sarcasm, any intelligent, reasonable comments.

      The latest idiotic meme is that the CIA never lies, and to accuse them of lying is un-American. Bob Shrum has done a good job defending in this regard.
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    • Author by TavernWench (May 19, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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      So, had McVeigh and Nichols killed more people in the Oklahoma City Bombings, then would it have been OK to torture them? I mean, where does Scarborough draw his line?

      And of course it is patently false to say we only tortured those who were behind the 9/11 attacks, in order to stop further attacks. Scarborough realizes this, but doesn't particularly care.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 20, 2009 10:03 am ET)
           
        The difference was McVeigh and Nichols were arrested in the US and were therefore accorded constitutional rights. The enemy combatants that were given EIT were not afforded those rights during a time of war.

        Jesse is wrong on this point. He should, and probably does, know better.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (May 19, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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      Hey...........Joe, what about the dead intern in your office while you were in congress ?
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 19, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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        What has that have to do with anything? Shouldn't we also ask...Hey...Ted , what about the dead girl in your car while you were in congress. Remember , the one you let die while you went home to sleep it off.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 19, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
           
        None of that now. If we are expect the right to accept Vince Foster we cleatly owe them Lori Klausutis. Heck, even Gary Condit ended up innocent (of murder anyway) and there was a lot more meat there. So let not throw stone over mere allegations.

        If you want convictions however... here you go:
        http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

        There's over 50 "plead guilty's" and "convicted's" on that list by my count, and that only includes those backed up by another news source.

        So give them Sir Ted, and that whole sad episode. We still don't need to resort to weak allegations to expose them as criminals.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 19, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
             
          Sorry, Klausutis was found in Joe's office, and Joe lied about it right before he (coincidentally?) resigned from the House.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 19, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
             
          Perhaps we should take a look at the Clinton years while we are at it.....http://www.urbin.net/EWW/polyticks/democrats.html .....now that is an impressive list, now lets check out the pedophiles....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980959/posts
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    • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 19, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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      It seriously should be a crime for MSNBC to have a jackass as stupid as Joe Scarborough hosting a show let alone even appearing in front of the MSNBC cameras in any capacity. Howz dem apples taste, Joey?

      Memo to you, dummy: Fox is calling. You belong over there with that sorry bunch. Just be sure to get rid of any corpses you may have stashed away in your office.
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    • Author by annagranfors (May 19, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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      Go hunt down the video of Jesse on Hannity last night--I think C&L has it up and I'm surprised you guys don't--where Jesse positively GELDS Hannity. Plus, the subtext of the Battle of The Testosterone, which poor Sean clearly loses, is much fun to see.
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    • Author by pretarvis9399 (May 19, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      Embarrassing. You have one guy who's served his country with honor taking a moral position based in facts and then you have a chickenhawk taking a position entirely based in lies and smears. Since Joe's such an intimidator every day dealing with Mika, perhaps he'd like to have Ventura on as a guest so he can call him dumb to his face.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (May 19, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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        I watched Ventura on Hannity last night... and was disappointed that Jesse did not take up on water-boarding Sean for charity... but am very proud of the ex-governor completely destroying the dumbest bastard on TV and radio with facts and first hand knowledge!

        Perhaps Joe can line up next behind Sean in trying his hand at having "The Body" on as a guest...
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        • Author by liberalpitbull (May 19, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
             
          Jesse has been kicking butts lately. He'd make a nice 3rd party candidate. I say this only because the major parties are too rotten to have true change lurking in the ranks. Look at Obama, he's having a tough time even though he enjoys mucho popularity. People are scared, and their reps in congress and the senate are using that fear to hamstring all attempts at changing fundamentals in any level of the government. Imagine the slope Jesse would have to climb.
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        • Author by robyn20094113 (May 19, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
             
          I bet if truth were known it was a pre condition that Ventura not bring up the waterboarding Sean for charity.
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    • Author by mnwoodward (May 19, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
         
      Joe Scarborough is whats wrong with todays media. The guy claims his CIA drinking buddies told him that waterboarding worked. well I guess thats the end of the discussion. If only Scarborough was half the man and the American that Jesse Ventura is, was , and always will be. I have yet to see or hear a Republican that thinks torture is wrong. They always give you hypotheticals and other crazy ideas on how it's "ok" for America to do it. It's a war crime and the VIII Amendment clears up any misconceptions, it's all there in black and white. The Republicans are always thumping their bibles but torture is somehow ok. Hypocrites!
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    • Author by nerzog (May 19, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
         
      Here's an interesting opinion piece about Joe:

      http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/2009/05/joe-scarborough-worldclass-hypocrite.html

      I especially enjoyed the comments section.
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    • Author by The Union Forever (May 19, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
         
      If stupidty were a crime, Joe Scarborough Fair would be locked up for life.
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    • Author by pauldeman (May 19, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
         
      This is just another example of attacking the messenger. I've given up on people who continue to defend torture and side with Cheney of all people. Even Bush stopped listening to him on most decisions after firing Rumsfield. As the president says, the majority of Americans will eventually come around to this pt.

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    • Author by haile (May 19, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
         
      Ventura told the gospel truth. They say the truth hurts. All Scarborough could do was get mad. The truth is too much for some people. MSNBC should give Ventura a morning radio talk show.
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    • Author by katherinef (May 21, 2009 2:38 am ET)
         
      I'm still trying to figure out why Joe said, Jesse shouldn't talk about things he doesn't know. The man WAS waterboarded! I'm pretty sure he knows a lot more about this subject than Mr. Scarborough.

      Ugh. You know what's a crime, Joe? That you have a job on television spewing out lies and ignorance.
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    • Author by shirley davis (May 21, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
         
      JOE IF IT IS A CRIME TO BE DUMB THEN YOU SHOULD BE SERVING TIME,INCARCERATION WITH NO CHANCE OF PAROLE.TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE BESIDE WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT DOING RIGHT AND LET YOUR GUESS TALK WITHOUT INTERUPTING THEM.
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