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Fox News anchors' five-minute-plus rant about health care reform

May 19, 2009 10:52 am ET

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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (May 19, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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      Insurance companies pay about one-fifth of the amount billed for health care. Uninsure people (sorry for the obvious math) are expected to pay 5 times the amount of insured patients. So, uninsured patients are paying for the healthcare of those who have insurance. (I will grant that many of those bills go unpaid - meaning that responsible people who are uninsured are carrying more than five times the burden of insured patients.)
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    • Author by pasteve (May 19, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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      I actually emailed them this morning over this one.
      I told them this was an outrage and would be like taxing people with no children to help fund public education.
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      • Author by Johnniewalker (May 19, 2009 11:40 am ET)
           
        and that's working pretty well.
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        • Author by vysotsky (May 19, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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          Compared to the health care uninsured people receive?
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          • Author by Johnniewalker (May 19, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
               
            True, but it seems weird we pay the highest in the world for education and health, one socialized and one supposedly not and yet get similar dismal results relative to the money spent. I guess by argument should I feel better that it won't get any worse?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 19, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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        My wife and I have no children, and I don't mind at all paying for public education, because it helps everyone. I also don't mind paying back for the education I received.
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        Umm.. People with no children get taxed all of the time to pay for public education.
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        • Author by dave (May 19, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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          And that is true. And with some schools graduating far less than 50 percent, its liberal and wasted money well spent. And don't get me started on SCHIP...Socialized Childrens Health Insurance Program
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          • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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            You sure about that 50% number? Yeah, probably not. Do you think private education would do a better job, or would that alleged 50 percent that didn't graduate even get to go to a private school?
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          • Author by neon desert (May 19, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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            With an understanding of public education like you display here, I wouldn't care to get you started on ANY subject.

            I presume you're not a teacher or involved in any way with the public education system. Because if you were, you would understand that failures that you speak of in the public education system fall generally not on shoulders of the educators but with the parents and the students.

            But I understand that if it can be framed in a political scenario, it WILL be by those with limited knowledge of it.
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            • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 3:08 pm ET)
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              I'm sure you could give stories, like the ones that I've heard from my brothers and sisters (all educators, except me) that run along the lines of this:

              Kid is failing say, Algebra II.

              Teacher (my brother in this case), calls parents to discuss kid's grades. Nobody answers, or calls him back, for weeks.

              He finally talks to the parents, and guess what? They don't care that their kid is failing school, and don't want to talk about it, and please would you stop calling and leaving messages.

              Brother wants to help kid after school, give extra attention to help him pass Algebra II. Kid doesn't show up for extra help, and seems, well, not interested.

              Brother keeps trying. Parents won't come in, kid won't come in. So, brother gives up, kid fails, and has to repeat 9th grade again.

              Wash. Rinse. Repeat. This happens a lot more than not. At least it has to my brother. It's not the school's fault. It's not my brother's fault. Most of the time, it is the kid's fault, and the parent's fault.
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              • Author by dave (May 19, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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                So you are saying that its not the taxpayer money being spent, but the parents and kids. I agree with you. Stop spending the money. Some kids are simply going to be crack sellers and criminals. No harm in admitting it, just stop raising my taxes to support it.
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                • Author by vhw28672478 (May 19, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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                  You are wrong about the tax the money should spent on Education
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                • Author by neon desert (May 19, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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                  Good idea. We'll let the schools fall apart, the books disintegrate, the hvac and water systems become decrepit to the point of being dangerous... That'll show 'em. And screw the kids that DO want an education. They'll just have to deal with it until the slackers wise up. Same with the teachers - let's make the pay so low that NOBODY can earn a living wage as a teacher, that should get rid of the bad ones.

                  Then, after a decade or so, we can determine that it's time to start spending again, and by then we should have an education system that's the envy of the world.
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      • Author by Svenolafson (May 20, 2009 11:11 am ET)
           
        Uhm, have your really thought this statement through? When you were a child did you go to public school? If you did then a lot of people without children paid for your education. I came to terms with this years ago. You really need to move on. No I do not have any children.
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    • Author by latanza (May 19, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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      How else would you consider funding it, throwing a POTLUCK! They should get back to the ethics issues they were following regarding a couple of Congressfellows! That is the meat and potatoes for FOX right now. They had something and they let it go. The Pete Visclosky, thing you know! As a matter of fact, I was looking for an internship and I disclosed a very intricate and comprehensive model for the universities in Northwest Indiana. This innovation is fiscally responsible, solves major social services and research efforts in all of the sciences areas, and the next thing I know, "they" are introducing the idea as the Purdue/IU Alliance in some similar form to mine and I don't even get to answer the phone at the office. You have people who are in trusted positions doing everything but stand for the best interest of the peolple, who continue to oppress effort that could launch America ahead of many countries and in the intelligence community-but you divert your attention to things individually we can not change. The politicians that we elected will have to sign on for this Health Care Model and yet you want to make it an issue that is solely on the President. NEWSFLASH! It's not within the style of governing of the President and this is not a dictatorship! Cover the meat and potatoes. Ethics, Morality, Good government, Misappropriations, follow the bread crumbs.

      That would take too much effort and thought. YOU WILL NEVER BE AN ANDERSON COOPER AND WILL NEVER POSESS THE AUTHORITY TO REVEAL ANY THING BECAUSE YOU ARE COWARDS AND AIRTIME HOGS! NO MATTER WHAT YOU NAME THE NETWORK, IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, TALKS LIKE A DUCK......

      America is watching and you leave without a legacy. You are no Barbara Walters--You should try out for a debate team though.
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    • Author by o rly (May 19, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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      Well of course well-paid anchors from Fox don't care about health care reform. They have a pretty sweet plan, don't they?
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    • Author by justhnkng (May 19, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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      so i watch this "rant" live this morning and i thought to myself, if the FOXpublicans are such patriots and are so passionate about the pro-life abortion issue, then y in the heck do they NEVER have and clear alternative to this debate among others when it comes to dealing with folks who are in dire need...orphans, homeless, people in poverty, folks who need healtcare, etc...

      so they believe in taking away a WOMAN's individual right to choose...and it stops there! after that its pretty much u're on your own.

      where do the republicans stand on adoption, childcare, poverty stricken places, mst. imp. healthcare? they truly believe the current health system is A1(all good)!?

      rebubs are only pro-life when it is politically convenient 4 them!!!
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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        Pro life = pro choice. Been saying this one for years, they just don't seem to understand.

        See, in a pro choice world, you get to choose, pro life, or rights of a woman to choose. I'm a pro choicer, but if I had ever gotten a girl pregnant during my young and sort of wild years, I would have pushed hard for her to have the child.

        Then they'll bring up the "moral" issue of it all. I always ask, and they never have an answer, as to do they think it's really easy for someone to have an abortion? It's not. Trust me, I know a few women who have had them, and it was the most gut wrenching traumatic decision that they've ever made in their lives. It ain't easy. And as far as the moral issue, well, isn't that something that will be between a woman and her "maker" during judgement time? I mean, if these yay-hoos believe in God and judgement after death, and they're "pro life" (whatever that means), then why don't they worry about themselves, and let the rest of us worry about ourselves?
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 19, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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        Unborn children are thier favorite kind. The basically HATE born childeen. (At least the ones that aren't theirs.)
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        • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
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          Especially, poor children. They don't care about them really at all.
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    • Author by dave (May 19, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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      That's not a rant, a concern maybe, but no rant. And hey, its only another 1.5t...just print it already, God only knows, we have the green ink. Don't worry about the devalued dollar or taxing the hell out of the rich, they deserve it. Those kids need that insurance.
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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        SCHIP provides insurance benefits for kids who don't have them. Why do you hate the children?
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        • Author by neon desert (May 19, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
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          I have to speak up for Dave here. I'm sure he doesn't hate the children. He'd just prefer to see them sick over spending money to keep them healthy.
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          • Author by dave (May 19, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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            I don't hate the children, I hate the politicians who come up with this crap, and the parents of these uninsured children, who make me pay more in taxes, because they simply can't afford them.
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            • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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              I'm sure that you don't pay for all of your own insurance either do you? As in, you are probably subsidized, like most of us, by a company that we work for, and this includes in my case, my wife as well (we don't have kids). And you're not paying more in taxes, you're probably paying the same as you were before.

              In other words, you don't care if kids suffer because their parents might only be working say, 2-3 low paying jobs to put food on the table, and that they don't have a job where insurance is provided for them probably like you, and me.
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              • Author by dave (May 19, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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                Actually, I do pay for my own insurance...I know its outside of your box but its possible to do. I also pay for my wife's insurance...once again, foreign to you. I am not an employee, I'm an employer.

                My kids are on their own, they have insurance as well though, and as far as I know, their children are insured. It would not be up to them to insure the whole world.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 20, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
                     
                  Great. So all we have to do is to have EVERYONE IN AMERICA own their own business. Then everything will be fine. Great plan, Dave.
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              • Author by ewl94232 (May 19, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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                Actually, dave isn't "subsidized by ... a company ..." His health insurance benefits are part of the package his employer has put together to attract better employees. Dave, like most of us, is paying for his health insurance by the exchange of time and whatever skill he brings to the bargain.

                Dave probably realizes that he only has so much time on this earth. In order to live batter, he agrees to sell part of his time to an employer. During those, (however many hours per week), his time is not his own. He is sacrificing a significant part of his life to try to provide for himself and his family.
                Then a tax collector comes along and tells him that he needs to sacrifice a little more so that he'll have streets to drive on, so some other people don't come and take his life away, so he can have treated water and not get sick as often. Dave says "okay" I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit more for those services.
                But then the tax collector says, "That's not enough. We want you to sacrifice more and more so other people, that aren't working as many hours as you can have a better life." Dave watches as his share of the profit he was promised in exchange for the limited hours of his life grow smaller and smaller. Dave starts to realize tht the people who want to grow government and increase taxes aren't just taking his money, they are taking a part of his life, a part he can never get back. Dave realizes that if he had all of the money that was taken away from him by the government for things he didn't agree with he would be a much wealthier man today. He would have more choices including choices that would make his life much richer. then it dawns on him that the money he has been earning gave him a power over his life. It made him free to make all sorts of choices he couldn't have made otherwise. And he realizes that the money that has been taken from him not only took away a part of his life, it took away a part of his freedom. He realizes that other people, always with the best of intentions, took from him what his fathers fought and died to defend. Dave may start to get angry about this. When he does he will find that there are a great number of people that are just as angry as he is. The people that don't understand Dave's anger will scoff and laugh and call him names. They'll say he's just too dumb or too mean or being dishonest. They will never understand people like Dave.

                I hope I didn't include anything that you couldn't agree with, Dave.
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            • Author by radspiker17786 (May 19, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
                 
              I agree. If you can't afford to provide for your children don't expect someone else to take care of them. Just because you are born in this country doesn't mean you can live off the labor of others.
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    • Author by pasteve (May 19, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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      My comment earlier about school taxes was intended to show that we already pay for things we don't receive direct benefit from, but benefit us as a whole. I don't have any kids, but I do pay school taxes. As a citizen I feel I am obliged to help "promote the common welfare" as stated in the preamble to the Constitution, am I not? It's not all altruistic. I'd like to have the guy driving next to me at 65 mph or the 911 operator I call to be able to read, write and do arithmetic.
      What I find so offensive about most of what the heads at Fox spew is how it plays on the sheer underlying selfishness of their viewers and how they so often couch that behind terms like "patriotism" and "Christianity" which, in my opinion anyway, connote the exact opposite meaning. But that is a whole other topic.

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    • Author by markbfoot199 (May 19, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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      How about those that are not covered pay for their own insurance. If the government thinks everyone should be covered, how about they put a plan together that the non-insurance individuals should pay into themselves, and leave my money alone. Tell me one good reason why they should take my money from me because I was smart enough to accept a job that offered benefits. See the current government would rather go after me cause I have a job. So when you continue to take my money, why work, just sit around and let the government give me healthcare, unemployment money, food stamps and the list grows. Tell me, at this rate do you all think 60% on your pay going to the government is fair. This man lied during the campaign, said that the middle class would get a tax break, liar, he is adding more and more taxes everyday. He is worse then a used car salesman, bait and switch. I just hope we can slow him down a bit till we get to mid term elections. I know you all think he is great, but then again you have not felt his pain. This time next year you will, and you will be like, what happen to my check, what happen to my money. Our Government is out of control, and the constitution is being destroyed and this administration is moving towards socialism everyday. Examples of Socialism, government getting into the car business, the government in the banking industry, the government telling you what a car gas mileage has to be, the government trying to create a national healthcare system.
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      • Author by neon desert (May 19, 2009 2:25 pm ET)
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        So when you continue to take my money, why work, just sit around and let the government give me healthcare, unemployment money, food stamps and the list grows.


        Go for it.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (May 19, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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          Neon, love how you avoid the real questions and go for the sarcasim. Liberal, face the music.
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          • Author by neon desert (May 19, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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            No, I'm being completely serious.

            If you think the lifestyle you described is preferable, go for it. I don't have any problem paying for you to collect food stamps and welfare. I happen to know that welfare and food stamps do go to people who aren't inclined to steady work, but I also know that there are - among others - single mothers who use welfare and food stamps to get on their feet, get an education, and create productive lives. I'd just as soon pay (even if I'm not happy about it) for people such as yourself to slack off and enjoy a life of leisure than to take the opportunity of success away from those who just need a little help.

            You characterized it as a parasitic lifestyle, so attractive that were considering choosing it over a productive career. Unless, of course, you were just kidding about that. In which case the sarcasm wasn't mine, but yours.
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      • Author by Wilcopc1 (May 19, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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        You should have been as feisty when the previous administration wasted trillions on the biggest excuse of a war that the Iraq war proved to be. They are the only reason the US is in the shape we're in.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (May 19, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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          This administrations spending has over spent Bush in total of 8 years in less then one year. We are in the shape we are in now is because they were allowing people to buy houses they could not afford. Last time I check, Obama is the one spending now, not Bush, and I only wish we could get back the unemployement rates of 4.5. During the 8 years of Bush we had low umemployment. I did not like Bush's immigratins policy but will take his unemployment anyday. FYI Obama's taxes will be hitting next year, then you will see how wrong you are about this President. Hey, what about the Gitmo lie.
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          • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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            Actually, they haven't, but don't let a good tale get in the way of your rant.

            Do you pay for ALL of your own insurance? I am willing to bet, that like most of us, you only pay for some of it, as in, the company that you work for probably pays for most of it, and you pay for a small fraction of it. Some people don't have the option to have a job where they receive benefits. You are free to quit your job, and live the good life off of the government dole. If you think it's so great, do it, see how things work out.

            Do you think the unemployment rate now is due to Obama? Or anything he did? If you do, that's incredibly naive, and ignorant really.
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            • Author by ewl94232 (May 19, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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              The company doesn't give it to us for free. We trade our labor and a part of our lives for it along with our pay and our discount at the company cafeteria, but don't let reality get in the way of your critique.

              Yes, while a Senator, Obama joined with other Democrats to resist Bush Admin. and Republican Congressional efforts to intervene with Freddie and Fannie and head off their collapse. They were providing a market for bad debt that encouraged many banks and investors to overextend. They helped to keep the low interest rate bubble from collapsing by pumping more air into it. When it did collapse, it did so more calamatously. Obama was also involved in the efforts of ACORN groups to pressure lenders into giving thhose bad loans in the first place. Republicans aren't blameless either. But going back to trace the origins of hthis problenm leads you squarely to the failed policies of the Liberal Democrats, no matter how hard MMFA tries to convince you that you can claim it wasn't.
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          • Author by Wilcopc1 (May 19, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
               
            If you believe the unemployment problems started with the current administration you're totally mistaken. The problems started during the bush years, and the last I checked the housing woes began during his watch as well. I wasn't even living in the US then and i know this. I'll give you the tax raises next year, for they are inevitable thanks to the emptying of the coffers by the 8 years of the bush administration waste.
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    • Author by Johnniewalker (May 19, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
         
      It was really odd, she teased the story hard and then woosh here comes a british guy. It really caught me off guard.
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