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O'Reilly's "Memo" on torture photos, "anti-American" ACLU: "Hating America"

May 19, 2009 8:34 pm ET

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    • Author by snoopy (May 19, 2009 8:38 pm ET)
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      O'Reilly really hates the ACLU - except when they are defending him. Kinda like watching Savage asking Hillary for help.
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    • Author by TheDayV (May 19, 2009 9:00 pm ET)
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      His 'Talking Points Memos' are the segments most easily aligned with propaganda. They're nothing more than instructions.
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 19, 2009 10:47 pm ET)
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        I am wondering why MMFA has not highlighted O'Reilly and Beck expose on the acorn group and how they are apparently embezzling federal money. Their investigation is continuing but so far MMFA has not mentioned it at all. I guess that means that it is all true , after all if it were false MMFA would be all over it . 270 groups, including acorn all operating out of 1 small building in NO , La. Remarkable! And guess who the building is owned by, why the founder of acorn and his brother the embezzler. Not to mention the 33 million in donations to the Obama campaign.
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        • Author by vhw28672478 (May 19, 2009 11:15 pm ET)
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          Prove it If not shut up
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          • Author by fairliberal (May 20, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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            As I pointed out, the investigation is continuing, so we will have to see what develops. But my point was that MMFA must believe that the info has some merit, otherwise they would be all over Beck and O'Reilly for their lies right? So far , nothing but silence.
            But of course that is info that you would wish would remain secret, it would embarrass liberals, you only want info released that would embarrass conservatives. It is not the truth you are after.
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            • Author by Brabantio (May 20, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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              If the investigation is continuing, then what would the misinformation or violation of journalistic standards be? There's nothing established as truth, yet. Apparently you think they should chastise any mention of an investigation, which would be incredibly inappropriate.

              I find it incredibly difficult to believe that if MMfA highlighted the mention of criminal allegations as misinformation that you wouldn't be screaming bloody murder about that.
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 20, 2009 12:41 am ET)
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          I wonder why fairliberal can never stay on topic, looks like he knows he's wrong.
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        • Author by vysotsky (May 20, 2009 6:47 am ET)
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          fairliberal,

          Oh I think MMFA is to be commended for not publicizing evidence of possible wrongdoing by Americans. Doing so would only embolden our enemies, inflame anti-American hatred around the world, and put our soldiers and Americans overseas at greater risk. Clearly Fox News has joined the Blame America First crowd by showcasing, night after night, potential wrong doing and corruption by Americans. In the words of Bill O'Reilly, "This time the enemy is not just the terrorists, it is some of our fellow Americans themselves."
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    • Author by captfoster2 (May 19, 2009 9:19 pm ET)
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      Since this is O'Reilly, I will simply stick to his lie about the ACLU...

      As a card carrying member of the ACLU... I have more love of this country by helping financially aid a group that, for over 100 years have dedicated itself to preserving our Constitutional rights than this over-paid bloviating small-minded insect!

      I dare anyone to come up with proof that proves BillO's worthless claims the ACLU is in any way Anti-American or somehow 'hates' America?
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 19, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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        This is what I don't get about conservatives and their hatred for the ACLU. Apparently, they don't know what they stand for, or what they represent, because anyone who loves this country, and supports the Constitution, should appreciate the work that they do. Oh right, the ACLU won't let prayer happen in schools. Guess what folks? The Constitution won't either.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (May 19, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
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      I don't know why this jerk o'reilly has to reference the ACLU on this matter... if it's a bad idea to release more disgusting photos that don't do anything for anybody at all (more, as in more than the disgusting pictures we were already subjected to regarding that facility in IRAQ), if it's a bad idea, then just say it's a bad idea... why drag the ACLU into it?

      Me, I'm of the opinion that sick and disgusting photos on television don't do anything for anybody at all, certainly not for the reputation of the U.S. in general, or for the reputation of the U.S. Armed Forces, especially in IRAQ and Afghanistan... and I don't need to hear anything about 'cloture' or 'getting things into the sunlight' or of how sick and disgusting photos aired on television over and over ad nausium leads to Justice or prevention or anything else constructive : there are constructive things that can happen here, and there are people who can be held accountable and punished even (as there were a number of people held accountable and punished for the abuses at that facility in IRAQ), but none of that requires the release and publication and mad cable television obsession with disgusting and sick pictures... it was never necessary to do that with regard to the IRAQ facility, and it's not necessary now : the accountability can be and is done in private in these matters, and the sick lust to view and publish these photographs is something altogether different than Justice, and does no one any good in the least.

      And notice how I expressed my opinion there completely and unequivocally (and whether you agree or disagree with that opinion is beside the point), notice how I did that without making any reference to the ACLU.
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 19, 2009 10:32 pm ET)
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        Are you forgetting the fact that the ACLU has sued for the release of the photos. They have interjected themselves into the story, it is not being done by others.
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        • Author by captfoster2 (May 20, 2009 1:32 am ET)
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          NotALiberal...

          You say that like the ACLU is afraid of the fight?

          No crap Sherlock... the ACLU injected themselves into the story because they know the true value of those photos!

          At some point, like the Abu Gharib photos... they will surface... might as well face them now, while we can have the upper hand in dealing with them...

          Because if we try to shy away and then they are exposed... then our boys and girls in Iraq and Afghanistan will be in serious trouble!

          Perhaps if we as a nation owned up to them and actually took our own damn laws to heart and dealt with the rat bastards that did the torture depicted in the photos ... then the impact of the photos might just be lowered in our favor!
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          • Author by fairliberal (May 20, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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            The previous poster said, why drag the ACLU into it, did he not? I was simply pointing out why.
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      • Author by Luis81 (May 19, 2009 10:36 pm ET)
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        Exactly.There is a way to get your point across without trying to convince your viewers to hate what you hate.
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    • Author by TheThief672 (May 19, 2009 10:21 pm ET)
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      Snoopy - as always..."Good Dog...Good Boy" (Love your comments)

      TheDayV - As a student of propaganda I could not agree with you more. Great insight.

      captfoster - I too am a card carrying member of the ACLU..."I have more love of this country by helping financially aid a group that, for over 100 years have dedicated itself to preserving our Constitutional rights than this over-paid bloviating small-minded insect!" That should be on a bumper sticker.

      Dem02020 - I love the way you intelligently express yourself. I always look forward to what your opinion is (whether I agree with it or not). I unlike you prefer an openness(for lack of a better term...your very open)...an in your face viewpoint of facts regardless how upsetting they seem. Your values/words appreciate "truth" & "character". I just appreciate those wonderful qualities out in the open.(I hope that came across right)

      P.S. Man I love this website! (THAT SHOULD BE ON A T-SHIRT OR BUMPER STICKER)
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    • Author by pasha582702 (May 20, 2009 1:04 am ET)
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      I get disgusted by zealots who insist those who love America and defend its laws and principles hate it, while those who seek to destroy America by abandoning basic morality and violating human rights somehow "love" it. Orwellian double-speak. I'm also amazed how these same folks believe there was nothing wrong with American Baptism of Muslim Infidels, while simultaneously agitating for Nancy Pelosi's head for not blowing the whistle on the very crimes they applaud. The hypocrisy of the ends justifying the means is completely lost on these pharisees.
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    • Author by vysotsky (May 20, 2009 3:35 am ET)
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      So after pointing out that "69% of NYC violent crime victims describe their assailants as black", Bill faults the ACLU for because "[t]he ACLU thinks society causes some blacks to be violent."

      Um... so let me see if I understand this. African Americans are implicated in a wildly disproportionate percentage of violent crimes in New York, but O'Reilly rejects the idea that there might be a social reason. According to O'Reilly, African Americans just coincidentally and individually decide to be implicated in violent crimes at a disproportionately high rate. And to argue that there might be social, economic, and historical factors that need to be addressed is anti-American.

      Shameful.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 8:07 am ET)
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        O'Reilly thinks that most of those blacks were arrested for disturbing the peace, shouting "Give me more iced tea, M-F'er!" in restaurants.
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      • Author by Brabantio (May 20, 2009 9:10 am ET)
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        "...Nobody really defends what Ludacris is peddling, which is a life of guns, violence, drugs and disrespect of women...To me, comparing Ms. Spears to Mr. Ludacris is like comparing pot to heroin. Ms. Spears struts around in tight slacks, a bare belly and store-bought breasts... but is Britney Spears a danger to the republic?...I believe Ludacris is dangerous...Another teacher, who works in a Los Angeles ghetto, has a once-a-week "real talk" half hour in her classroom. She told me that some eighth-grade girls now say they want to become strippers and some boys pimps. When asked why, the kids say it looks like fun in the rap videos...And some of these girls inevitably will want to dress in a manner inappropriate for their age because of the Spears influence. That is not good. But it is a million miles away from a handgun, a crack pipe and selling sex...It is tough enough these days for kids to develop maturity in our confusing society without being told that selling drugs and carrying illegal guns is fine. And children who have absent or bad parents are especially vulnerable to corrupters selling them instant gratification...Where is the outrage over Ludacris and Eminem? Where is the protection for kids who have no role models and little supervision?..Yes, she flounces around and some little girls will be affected, but that kind of damage can be undone...However, Ludacris, like a cursing Pied Piper, can lead children into a lifestyle of defiance and destruction that could ruin them for many years – perhaps forever. And like the decadent mercenary he is, he'll laugh all the way to the bank doing it." (all bold mine)

        He seems to think that people are capable of being influenced by outside forces quite easily there. So regarding systemic racism and cyclical poverty, such trifles aren't going to cause any violence. But one specific rapper? Well, that guy's a danger to the republic.
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    • Author by pasteve (May 20, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      Did the ACLU ever help somebody get access to Mackris' affidavit?
      Bill sure hates them.
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